[larryfla]

I know that Atlanta is booming and I'm not interested in hearing more about it (not meant to be rude but I am well aware) but I am curious as to how other southern cities construction situation compares with Charlotte's. The following are buildings that are actually in the process of being built. Anotherwords, the groundbreaking has occured or construction is well in the process. In addition to the buildings listed, there are over 10 highrises that are not listed as they are slated for opening in the next several months.

- 210 Trade- 50 stories
- Wychovia Corp office- 48 floors
- Wychovia Condos- 42 floors
- The Avenue- 36 floors
- The Trademark- 28 floors
- Ritz Carlton- 32 floors
- The Park condos- 28 floors
- Starwood Boutique Hotel- 17 floors
- NASCAR corp/museum- 16 floors

[sgray]

emporis.com will give you that info for any city

[cabasse]

i wish the cool charlotte forumers would come back from urbanplanet and start representing their city here again... that city is booming like mad.

[larryfla]

i wish the cool charlotte forumers would come back from urbanplanet and start representing their city here again... that city is booming like mad.

I would like to be a contributor to urban planet, but a couple of years ago, I responded to a racist comment with a like comment and was banned. I would like to be reinstated. What I said really wasn't racist. I suppose I should have been the adult. Funny, the other guy was allowed to remain? Oh well, at least I can still read postings.

[Lakelander]

I know that Atlanta is booming and I'm not interested in hearing more about it (not meant to be rude but I am well aware) but I am curious as to how other southern cities construction situation compares with Charlotte's. The following are buildings that are actually in the process of being built. Anotherwords, the groundbreaking has occured or construction is well in the process. In addition to the buildings listed, there are over 10 highrises that are not listed as they are slated for opening in the next several months.

- 210 Trade- 50 stories
- Wychovia Corp office- 48 floors
- Wychovia Condos- 42 floors
- The Avenue- 36 floors
- The Trademark- 28 floors
- Ritz Carlton- 32 floors
- The Park condos- 28 floors
- Starwood Boutique Hotel- 17 floors
- NASCAR corp/museum- 16 floors

Downtown Jacksonville

New Construction:

- The Peninsula - 36 stories
- The Strand - 28 stories
- Berkman II - 23 stories
- San Marco Place - 21 stories
- Everbank Plaza - 13 stories

**The St. John (51), The Shipyards (38) and Riverwatch (36) are permitted, deep into sales and expected to rise soon, but as of today, no dirt has been turned over on their sites.

Historic Adaptive reuse of 1920s era buildings:

- The Barnett (112 Lofts) - 18 stories
- Florida Life Building (Laura Trio) - 11 stories
- Bisbee Building (Laura Trio) - 10 stories

I know this is a "skyscraper forum" so most here get excited about new shiny towers, but imo, the most exciting development occuring in Jacksonville is happening in a large urban and highly walkable neighborhood just north of downtown called Springfield. There are no tall towers rising, instead growth is in the form of 3 story infill projects, adaptive reuse of historic warehouses, victorian homes, apartments and the revitalization of a large scale urban park system connecting the district, with downtown to the South.

I can't keep up with Miami's but, I'll fill everyone in on Tampa's and Orlando's U/C list later on.

[DallasTexan]

Just a quick Q about Jax -- what happened to the 70 story tower?

[Jordan84]

Charlotte is a great city, and I wish there was more representation on here..I just don't think any of the good Charlotte forumers are interested in coming back to SSP.

Anyway, Charlotte is booming out of control right now, and there isnt another city in the same size group with the amount of projects and construction Charlotte has right now. The skyline is expected to double in the next 5 years. If you want to know more about the projects and construction going on in Charlotte, try Urbanplanet or even Skyscrapercity.

I'm really excited about the two 50+ story condos and the 800 ft wachovia tower going up right now. There are plenty of other notable projects going up or proposed..Its out of control.

[Lakelander]

Just a quick Q about Jax -- what happened to the 70 story tower?

Its still in the works, but groundbreaking was always scheduled for 2008.

[Lakelander]

Anyway, Charlotte is booming out of control right now, and there isnt another city in the same size group with the amount of projects and construction Charlotte has right now.

There are others out there that are just as impressive. Off the top of my head, Austin, Orlando and Tampa are three that come to mind. Fort Lauderdale is pretty impressive too, but it is located in the Metro Miami area.

Anyway, here's downtown Orlando:

- The Vue - 35 floors
- Dynetech Tower - 32 floors
- 55 West - 32 floors
- Solaire - 30 floors
- Star Tower - 18 floors
- Premiere Trade South Tower - 17 floors
- Paramount - 16 floors
- Eola Place - 16 floors
- Florida Hospital - 15 stories
- Premiere Trade North Tower - 13 floors
- 101 Eola - 13 floors

**The metro list is MUCH larger, but I limited to only downtown. If there are any Orlando forumers out there, feel free to add, if I'm missing a project or two.

[Yoyeca√]

There are others out there that are just as impressive. Off the top of my head, Austin, Orlando and Tampa are three that come to mind. Fort Lauderdale is pretty impressive too, but it is located in the Metro Miami area.

Anyway, here's downtown Orlando:

- The Vue - 35 floors
- Dynetech Tower - 32 floors
- 55 West - 32 floors
- Solaire - 30 floors
- Star Tower - 18 floors
- Premiere Trade South Tower - 17 floors
- Paramount - 16 floors
- Eola Place - 16 floors
- Florida Hospital - 15 stories
- Premiere Trade North Tower - 13 floors
- 101 Eola - 13 floors

**The metro list is MUCH larger, but I limited to only downtown. If there are any Orlando forumers out there, feel free to add, if I'm missing a project or two.

That's kind of a cop out... What major city in Florida isn't going through a high-rise boom? (rhetorical)

[Brown Duckz]

That's kind of a cop out... What major city in Florida isn't going through a high-rise boom? (rhetorical)Cop out? He was just listing other cities with just as impressive construction list. Austin isn't in Florida. When did we start hating on cities that are booming in Florida?

[DruidCity]

imo, the most exciting development occuring in Jacksonville is happening in a large urban and highly walkable neighborhood just north of downtown called Springfield.

OT: I might have to move from Tuscaloosa within the next year, and Jacksonville is one of the possibilities that interests me. What is the University of North Florida and surrounding area like ?

[Lakelander]

University of North Florida's campus is located in the heart of the Southside. If you like strip malls, big box stores, cookie cutter condos & apartments and traffic gridlock, the Southside can compete with just about anyone. Nevertheless, the good thing about that area is it's centrally located between the city's major urban areas...downtown/core neighborhoods and the beaches.

[Yoyeca√]

Cop out? He was just listing other cities with just as impressive construction list. Austin isn't in Florida. When did we start hating on cities that are booming in Florida?

#1 Who said Austin was in Florida?
#2 Who said that I was hating on cities from Florida? Hell, I love Florida..
I just made a comment... I didn't mean for anyone to take offense to it.
You could've taken that comment I made for the best or for the worst.

[Style]

you are missing a few buildings for charlotte that are u/c. but i have to go to work, so i guess i'll update that later.

i post on my forum (http://southernuprise.com/forum) now. heh. urbanplanet is lame. enough said.

[Lakelander]

#1 Who said Austin was in Florida?
#2 Who said that I was hating on cities from Florida? Hell, I love Florida..
I just made a comment... I didn't mean for anyone to take offense to it.
You could've taken that comment I made for the best or for the worst.

I don't know what the big deal is, but I didn't intend to "cop out" any Florida city. I only listed a few Southern cities that I knew off hand have just as much going up and coming down the pipeline as Charlotte. That's all.

As for Fort Lauderdale, I mentioned it, because many outside of the state tend to overlook it because of it's larger neighbor just to the South.

[larryfla]

you are missing a few buildings for charlotte that are u/c. but i have to go to work, so i guess i'll update that later.

i post on my forum (http://southernuprise.com/forum) now. heh. urbanplanet is lame. enough said.

Thanks Style, I had this on my computer at one time but lost/forgot about it.

[Style]

the ones you forgot are the bank of america building which will be 32 floors and at least one of the novare buildings. they are doing demo work. they havent started on the foundation as of yet tho.

[Reverberation]

[Charlotte = Austin = Sacramento = Orlando = Nashville] < Las Vegas

[zodiac]

why is Wachovia spelled Wychovia?????

[LoveAtlanta]

Charlotte can not compare to Atlanta in first place.
They copy Atlanta but they will never be Atlanta.

[galaca]

:rolleyes:

[Teshadoh]

I still can't understand this obsession for Charlotte 'copying' Atlanta - it is one of the most insipid & idiotic banter found on any of these forums. Besides the whole concept of a city or urban area being simplistically personified like a comic book.

I know - after all these years I shouldn't let these type of posts get to me, but the stupidity of forummers continues to astound me in repeating the same tired argument.

[LoveAtlanta]

well my sister lives in Charlotte and thats what she says.:D

[Teshadoh]

^ Ok, I'll give you a break. And yes, there are people in Charlotte that will say that - I grew up south of Charlotte in the 70's & 80's & heard the same thing. But after living in Atlanta in the 90's & the past 6 years, there have been more than enough comparisons to Los Angeles that I would ever want to hear again.

There isn't anything specifically 'Atlanta' that Charlotte is copying, they are just similar sunbelt sprawl-oriented urban patterns combined with (in the past 10 years) some regrowth in the city center. Nothing too unusual compared to Dallas, Houston or nearly any sunbelt city.

[Jordan84]

LOL...Charlotte and Atlanta are yet to be on the same league..ANd there really are not much similarities between the two..If anything, Charlotte is taking special steps not to be Atlanta. Like said above..Charlotte is a southern city, with typical sprawl like atlanta..You can really compare all major cities in the south the same way.

[Reverberation]

No, Charlotte does not have a Midtown, no MARTA, no Buckhead, none of that. The only similarity that the two cities have is the setting, and a freeway loop around them. Charlotte has 485, Atlanta has 285. The similarities end there. Please stop this stupid argument that always surfaces when this comes up. Atlanta's downtown is in a linear pattern along one street, Charlotte's is concentrated inside I-277 with few towers outside of that.

Like I said earlier, Charlotte = Orlando, Austin, Sacramento, and Jacksonville. But none of these are having the same high rise boom as the mighty Las Vegas.

[RockHillJames]

...and people wonder why Charlotte forumers don't post.

Is there a single thread here that doesn't devolve into a city .vs city crapfest?

[Style]

i dont think so. i think we were comparing the development boom, not the particular layout of a city. while this may play into the development boom (where towers are located), it does not have a major impact on it.

so can we compare how many buildings are going up and not which city is better based on this information? kthanks.

[Reverberation]

In terms of development, Charlotte is growing at the same pace as Orlando, Austin, and Sacramento. Las Vegas, which is roughly the same size as Charlotte, has many more proposals and U/C. The thread was asking how Charlotte compares. The reality is that Charlotte is going through the about same amount of urban development as those other cities of similar size. Lots of (mostly residential) towers going up. All of which kind of look the same.

[smArTaLlone]

In terms of development, Charlotte is growing at the same pace as Orlando, Austin, and Sacramento. Las Vegas, which is roughly the same size as Charlotte, has many more proposals and U/C. The thread was asking how Charlotte compares. The reality is that Charlotte is going through the about same amount of urban development as those other cities of similar size. Lots of (mostly residential) towers going up. All of which kind of look the same.

I agree. Seems about the same as what going on in similar sized cities across the south.

[Jordan84]

:notacrook: We need to have a complete list of projects/construction Charlotte has going on.. I know its more that Nashville and Jacksonville..Not very aware of Austin or Sacremento(not a southern city)..ANd who cares about Las Vegas..Duh, it has more projects and construction than most American cities. I wish we could compare cities relatively close to Charlotte's size instead of forumers bringing Atlanta into the picture.

[Reverberation]

My point was not to compare Charlotte to other southern cities. I was comparing it to cities of similar size. I still think that it's southern rivals are Austin and Orlando.

[Reverberation]

Austin develoments: http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=124346

[Yoyeca√]

...and people wonder why Charlotte forumers don't post.

Is there a single thread here that doesn't devolve into a city .vs city crapfest?

Because there is mostly bitching going on in discussions like this...

[larryfla]

That's kind of a cop out... What major city in Florida isn't going through a high-rise boom? (rhetorical)

To be honest, I didn't put Florida there because I live in Florida and I am aware of the never-ending growth in the state. I visit Miami, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville and most major Florida cities often. Even Panama City is growing up in an unbelievable pace. That is why I didn't include them. Besides, I am moving to the Charlotte area in the next year or year and a half. Sorry for the exclusion, not purpose for it and not meant to degrade my own state of Florida.

[Lakelander]

:notacrook: We need to have a complete list of projects/construction Charlotte has going on.. I know its more that Nashville and Jacksonville..Not very aware of Austin or Sacremento(not a southern city)..ANd who cares about Las Vegas..Duh, it has more projects and construction than most American cities. I wish we could compare cities relatively close to Charlotte's size instead of forumers bringing Atlanta into the picture.

I'm not familiar with Nashville, but in Jacksonville's case, compared head to head Charlotte's metro area is significantly larger, despite Jax's urban area being denser. So although downtown Jax may have a slightly lower number of projects actually under construction, the gulf may between may not be wide as it would appear on the surface.

Btw, I still need to take time and put together a list for Tampa/St. Petersburg, which will be pretty difficult since I haven't been down there in a few months.

[larryfla]

why is Wachovia spelled Wychovia?????
Hey, I don't live in Charlotte. Sometimes I spell phonetically.

[larryfla]

Charlotte can not compare to Atlanta in first place.
They copy Atlanta but they will never be Atlanta.

I have chosen Charlotte instead of Atlanta to relocate. I really don't care much for Atlanta. I thinks Peachtree Street downtown is pretty unexciting. The Underground gets boaring after a trip or two besides being unsafe, and downtown Atlanta really doesn't offer much for a city of 4 million. If it weren't for Buckhead, I would have never gone more than a time or two. I know that there are some nice suburban areas but who gives a rats @ss about them. It just isn't a place for me. I much prefer Charleston, Boston, Wilmington, N.C. or any place in Florida. Besides,the traffic on I-75/I-85 really sucks around Atlanta.

On the other hand, I actually have more fun walking around downtown Charlotte barhopping and going out to eat. I feel safe there and it seems to be very walkable. I walk from uptown to 4th Ward, Dilworth, Elizabeth and surrounding areas and have had no problems up to this point. The great thing is that Charlotte is growing in a seemingly well planned manner using Atlanta's problems as a model. I don't know anyone that wants Charlotte to be like Atlanta. Most people I know like the growth, but nobody wants to be like Atlanta. I know that Atlanta has CNN and Hartsfield Airport but big whoopy doo!

I was really hoping that Atlanta wouldn't enter this thread. I am tired of reading 'all' of the postings. Give us a break please. We know that Charlotte will never be an Atlanta. Thanks god for small favors.

[JTLInATL]

I have chosen Charlotte instead of Atlanta to relocate. I really don't care much for Atlanta. I thinks Peachtree Street downtown is pretty unexciting. The Underground gets boaring after a trip or two besides being unsafe, and downtown Atlanta really doesn't offer much for a city of 4 million. If it weren't for Buckhead, I would have never gone more than a time or two. I know that there are some nice suburban areas but who gives a rats @ss about them. It just isn't a place for me. I much prefer Charleston, Boston, Wilmington, N.C. or any place in Florida. Besides,the traffic on I-75/I-85 really sucks around Atlanta.

On the other hand, I actually have more fun walking around downtown Charlotte barhopping and going out to eat. I feel safe there and it seems to be very walkable. I walk from uptown to 4th Ward, Dilworth, Elizabeth and surrounding areas and have had no problems up to this point. The great thing is that Charlotte is growing in a seemingly well planned manner using Atlanta's problems as a model. I don't know anyone that wants Charlotte to be like Atlanta. Most people I know like the growth, but nobody wants to be like Atlanta. I know that Atlanta has CNN and Hartsfield Airport but big whoopy doo!

I was really hoping that Atlanta wouldn't enter this thread. I am tired of reading 'all' of the postings. Give us a break please. We know that Charlotte will never be an Atlanta. Thanks god for small favors.

What an insightful, well-supported defense of Charlotte. Charlotte is so much better off with an intellectual giant like you as an addition.

[atl26]

Hey, I enjoy reading the threads both about Atlanta(which I live in and love) and Charlotte. I think one of the things Charoltte has in its favor over us in Atlanta is the fact that it is a city begining to rise, and thus is in the position to learn from some of the rather silly mistakes Atlanta has made. I think its intresting to compare Charlotte to is similar peers. What postive things are being enacted in those cities and what Charlotte is gleaning and learning from these cities and vice versa. In my opinion its unfair to compare Atlanta to Charlotte becasue they are in two different leagues. Its more fair to compare Atlanta to Dallas,Houston,Miami etc much more even and level playing field.

To repond respectfully to Larryfla, Hartsfield is a big deal and will continue to be should the Usairways Hostile takeover goes through. Harstfield offers the south a gateway to many regions in the world that you would not easily access with out connecting in JFK/EWR or one of the Euro hubs. In most cases it offers the services nonstop. I only defend Hartsfield because im a huge aviation GEEK :). Although I do agree that the constant boosterism particularly in other threads having nothing to do with ATL directly does get somewhat tiresome.

[Teshadoh]

I was really hoping that Atlanta wouldn't enter this thread. I am tired of reading 'all' of the postings. Give us a break please. We know that Charlotte will never be an Atlanta. Thanks god for small favors.

Then why add to the fire? You should be willing to admit you've been far too open to acknowledge your dislike for Atlanta. We get it already...

[atlantaguy]

^Thank you, Brad. larryfla has been more than obvious over the years of his distaste for Atlanta....fine, he's entitled to his opinion - but we do get it already. Seems this thread has devolved with the help of mostly non-Atlantans to me.

That being said, I miss the CLT posters and all the updates. I happen to like and appreciate what Charlotte is trying to do, and enjoy keeping up with our little sister up the road. I think we compliment each other. What has been accomplished in Uptown since in the last 10 years is nothing short of amazing.

[tdawg]

larryfla, another outstanding product of the Florida public education system.

[NEWNANGuy]

how can larryfla complaina bout Atlanta sprawl but love "any place in Florida"?? i am sure most of you have noticed, but im more of a suburban guy and im usually one of the few on here that speaks up in support of suburban lifestyles. but even this statment makes no sense to me. most of Florida IS suburban, low rise, strip mall growth. they just have palms instead of bradford pears HAH

[SeeMoreSkyscrapers]

Hopefully to help things get back on topic I'll go ahead and list out all the projects over 15 stories in Charlotte. This won't include revisions or conversions of old buildings. I might miss one or two but this can otherwise be considered very complete.

Tallest to Shortest:

10 U/C:

- 48 - Wachovia First Street office tower - 764'
- 53 - 210 Trade - 601'
- 42 - Wachovia First street Condo tower -
- 32 - Bank of America Office Tower -
- 35 - The Avenue - 425'
- 28 - Trademark - 334' (Topped out)
- 21 - The Park - 260'
- 17 - The Ritz -
- 16 - Aloft (@Epicenter) -
- 15 - Metropolitan Condo's -

16 Proposed

- 51 - The Vue - 668' (Last we heard, subject to change, Permit stage)
- 39 - Twelve 3rd ward development - (Demo in progress)
- 32 - Berkman Condo Twr. -
- 29 - Novare 3rd Ward development -
- 25 + 300 S. Tryon (Height unkown, could be 2 towers)
- 25 - Concourse -
- 25 - Citidan Twr III -
- 25 - Citidan Twr IV -
- 25 - Novare 3rd Ward Development - (Demo in progress)
- 20 - Elizabeth Twr. (Grubb development) -
- 16 - Novare 3rd Ward Office - (Demo in progress)
- 16 - Nascar Tower - (Started last week, no Site movement yet however)
- 16 - Live Oaks -
- 16 - Fairview Twr I -
- 16 - Ghazi Southpark Twr. -
- 15 - Fairview Twr II -

There's 3-4 towers circulating in the rumor mill but thats a wait and see deal and several farther out developments are in the concept stage.

Always good to know whats going on elsewhere so any other cities that want to chime in would be welcome.

[Teshadoh]

^ Thanks for the update, that is an impressive list for practically any city in the country.

[rickydavisfan21]

Actually there have been a few forgotten.

Elizabeth tower(grubb properties) 20 stories
South Fair 1 16 floors
South Fair 2 16 floors
Live Oak 15 floors
Polk Redevelopment 20 floors

Novare will announce something in the burbs soon I heard they are scouting land around the southpark area.


On the drawing board
Spectrum Condos
Rennaisance Apt Redevelopment
Hal Marshall Redevelopment
Spirit Square Redevelopment
There are also a couple other things on the drawing board.

[SeeMoreSkyscrapers]

Yep I figured there would be, I was aware of the Elizabeth tower and just forgot it. The polk development hasn't been officially announced so I left it in the rumor mill as with the others you have on the drawing board.

I wasn't aware however of the South Fair towers or Live Oak. Any info/links on these?

[Lakelander]

Hopefully to help things get back on topic I'll go ahead and list out all the projects over 15 stories in Charlotte. This won't include revisions or conversions of old buildings. I might miss one or two but this can otherwise be considered very complete.

Tallest to Shortest:

10 U/C:

- 48 - Wachovia First Street office tower - 764'
- 53 - 210 Trade - 601'
- 42 - Wachovia First street Condo tower -
- 32 - Bank of America Office Tower -
- 35 - The Avenue - 425'
- 28 - Trademark - 334' (Topped out)
- 21 - The Park - 260'
- 17 - The Ritz -
- 16 - Aloft (@Epicenter) -
- 15 - Metropolitan Condo's -

12 Proposed

- 51 - The Vue - 668' (Last we heard, subject to change)
- 39 - Twelve 3rd ward development -
- 32 - Berkman Condo Twr. -
- 29 - Novare 3rd Ward development -
- 25 + 300 S. Tryon (Height unkown, could be 2 towers)
- 25 - Concourse -
- 25 - Citidan Twr III -
- 25 - Citidan Twr IV -
- 25 - Novare 3rd Ward Development -
- 16 - Novare 3rd Ward Office -
- 16 - Nascar Tower -
- 16 - Ghazi Southpark Twr. -

There's 2-3 towers circulating in the rumor mill but thats a wait and see deal.

Always good to know whats going on elsewhere so any other cities that want to chime in would be welcome.

Cool, this is the stuff I want to see. No debates or who's better than who, just a quick project list for things going on in each respective city. Here's Downtown Jax. Things get difficult once you throw in the beaches and suburbs (I don't care two much about what happens in sprawlsville), so I'll stick to the core....15 stories & up.

FYI, in Florida our highrise projects come in bunches, so many sites actually include multiple projects. For example, the Vu (40), Peninsula (36) and Strand (28) "both in the image below" are all parts of the same development....St. Johns Center.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y34/ussmanatee/Downtown1-29-07015.jpg

New Projects Under Construction - (5)

- The Peninsula - 36 stories
- The Strand - 28 stories
- Berkman II - 23 stories
- San Marco Place - 21 stories
- Everbank Plaza - 13 stories (office tower that exceeds 15 story height level)

Historic Adaptive reuse of 1920s era buildings - (1)

- The Barnett (112 Lofts) - 18 stories

Approved - planned to break ground in next few months - (3)

- The St. John - 51 stories
- Shipyards I - 38 stories
- Riverwatch - 36 stories

Preliminary Approved/Proposed - (15)

- The St. James Hotel & Residences - 68 stories
- San Marco Village 1 - 59 stories
- The St. John II - 51 stories
- San Marco Village 2 - 48 stories
- San Marco Village 3 - 48 stories
- San Marco Village 4 - 48 stories
- San Marco Village 5 - 42 stories
- The Vu - 40 stories
- St. Johns Point 1 - 36 stories
- St. Johns Point 2 - 33 stories
- St. Johns Point 3 - 30 stories
- St. Johns Village - 21 stories
- Ortega Yacht Club - 20 stories
- Bishopsgate - 19 stories
- St. Johns Point 4 - 15 stories

Proposed - but still lacking detailed information (up to 13)

- San Marco Riverfront District - 10 towers between 10 and 20 stories
- The Shipyards - 3 towers (excluding phase one tower) between 20 and 40 stories

For renderings, click here: http://www.metjax.com/forums/showthread.php?t=725

[rickydavisfan21]

Yep I figured there would be, I was aware of the Elizabeth tower and just forgot it. The polk development hasn't been officially announced so I left it in the rumor mill as with the others you have on the drawing board.

I wasn't aware however of the South Fair towers or Live Oak. Any info/links on these?

yea let me find them.

http://www.littleonline.com/retailBoardsGetProjects.asp?pID=83&pageID=retailBoards&bNum=4&project=Live%20Oak

Live Oak.
http://www.littleonline.com/images/retail/retailBoards/liveOak/liveOak_2.jpg
south fair plaza
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/Kwinone/SouthFair.jpg
685 condos between two highrise (15-16 story) and 2 midrises (5-6 stories)
with ground level shops, it goes where golds gym was between 6100 and 6000 Fairview.

[smArTaLlone]

for DT Orlando

U/C
36 - The VUE at Lake Eola
32 - 55 West
32 - Dynetech Centre
18 - Star Tower
16 - The Paramount On Lake Eola
15 - Florida Hospital Tower
12 - 101/201 Eola - 101 North Tower

Proposed
46 - Orlando City Place West
41 - 1000 North Orange
41 - Presidential Tower
40 - Orlando City Place North
40 - Orlando City Place South
39 - Tradition Towers
37 - Sky Towers II
35 - Verde Towers
35 - North Orange Condos
34 - Sky Towers I
31 - The Rosalind
30 - Magnolia Circle
29 - Center Place - Tower II
25 - 385 North Orange
25 - Center Place Tower I
24 - The Monarch
22 - 205/215 East Central
21 - Center Place - Tower IV
19 - Capital Plaza - Phase III Condo Tower
19 - 445 North Magnolia
18 - 330 East Central
18 - Luxparque
17 - 155 Palmetto
16 - Eola Place II
16 - CNL III

[Lakelander]

Where's the three Priemere Trade Center towers in Orlando's list? Are they officially complete now? Is the movie theater open?

[SeeMoreSkyscrapers]

Excellent, Thanks for the info guys. Impressive height on those Jax Proposal's and the Orlando proposal list is just massive. Will be crazy to watch that downtown transform over the next few years especially with some added height hopefully.

Keep em' coming! These list definitely show the south is booming big time.

Went back and updated the Charlotte list to include a couple missed projects. Will try and keep it up to date for you guys.

Rickydavis, thanks for the links, I was completely oblivious to those developments. Any time frames or other info. on those two?

[zodiac]

Hey, I don't live in Charlotte. Sometimes I spell phonetically.

oh ok!
:haha:

[Lakelander]

Tampa, Florida (list from SSC) "over 15 stories only"

(Not including Westshore Business District, which is seeing a lot of activity as well)

U/C - 7

52 - Trump Tower Tampa
32 - Skypoint
32 - The Place Tower II
30 - The Towers at Channelside 1
30 - The Towers at Channelside 2
20 - The Plaza at Harbor Island
17 - Floridian Hotel (adaptive reuse)

Proposed - 29

51 - Tampa Tower 1
51 - Tampa Tower 2
50 - Venu
47 - TWELVE Tampa
40 - Newks Tower
38 - Teleconference Centre 1
38 - Teleconference Centre 2
36 - Del Villar
34 - Element
33 - Six Ten Franklin
30 - Blu Channelside
30 - Blu Channelside
29 - Novare Channelside
29 - Seaboard Square 1
29 - Seaboard Square 2
28 - Union Station Tampa 1
27 - Kress Block 1
27 - The Royal
26 - Central Park Tower 1
26 - Central Park Tower 2
26 - Central Park Tower 3
26 - The View
25 - 02
25 - Finergy
24 - Union Station Tampa 2
23 - Kress Block 2
22 - The Martin
22 - Navio
20 - The Plaza at Harbor Island 2
20 - The Plaza at Harbor Island 3

for renderings: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=179085

[smArTaLlone]

Where's the three Priemere Trade Center towers in Orlando's list? Are they officially complete now? Is the movie theater open?

I'm not in Orlando but there regularly. In December it wasn't officially open yet but the buildings are pretty much completed.

[Lakelander]

I got ya. I included them in the earlier list because interior construction work is still taking place.

[Lakelander]

Downtown St. Petersburg, Florida (15 stories & over)

U/C - 4

35 - Signature Place
29 - 400 Beach Drive
27 - Ovation
16 - Progress Energy Office Tower

Proposed - 11

42 - Bayway Lofts
40 - The Edge
32 - Kessler Grand Bohemian Hotel
35 - The Arts 1
35 - The Arts 2
27 - Tamarind On Central
27 - The Vanguard
27 - The Vanguard
25 - La Vista
15 - Residences at 601 Central Ave
15 - Plaza on Fifth Avenue

For renderings: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=313922

[Plasticman]

Charlotte can not compare to Atlanta in first place.
They copy Atlanta but they will never be Atlanta.


C'mon. You're giving us Atlanta people that reputation that many on here complalin about. We're not all stuck on ourselves. I realize we compare most closely to Houston and Dallas with Houston getting a very slight nod in regard to downtown core density.

I love Charlotte. Driving through it reminds me very much of Nashville in some ways but seems to always be about five years farther along in development. Nashville has some major developments too with Signature Tower topping everyone in the South as far as height at 1,057 feet, plus a 428 footer going up, and a host of sligltly smaller projects. There have been some other rumored ones up to 600-700 feet but they seem to have dropped off the radar for now.

So to compare Charlotte fairly I would say look at Nashville and then add a couple buildings.

[atl2phx]

:previous: agreed. truth be told.....atlanta benefits from a vibrant and dynamic charlotte and vice-versa. they both add strength to the region and help propell the south forward both from an economic and public relations standpoint. this banter back and forth about ATL vs. CLT is juvenile at best and wouldn't cut muster in a 9th grade debate class. the orignial post asked about other cities BESIDES atlanta.....keep it on track. :tup:

[sprtsluvr8]

The original post began with a cutting remark about Atlanta, so reading through this thread I expected to see some replies to it. I love Charlotte too, and have spent a good bit of time there having grown up in Winston-Salem. But let's face it, we could only compare the skyline to Buckead's skyline with any parity. The rest of it is no comparison, thus the catty remark in the original post. Next time you start a new thread you might think about beginning on a positive note.

[Lakelander]

Any other cities out there? Nashville, Memphis, Birmingham, Norfolk, etc.?

[SeeMoreSkyscrapers]

Agreed. Anyone out there with accurate list for any other Southern cities?

Enough of this Charlotte and Atlanta talk lets get back on topic and stop comparing the cities themselves. Thats not what this post is supposed to be about.

A list of Nashville developments would be fantastic, anyone?

[Reverberation]

If anyone read my posts earlier, Charlotte is about the same as Austin, Orlando, Tampa, Jacksonville, Nashville, and Sacramento.

[Jordan84]

Actually it's not...

Yes, we've read your posts, you've repeated yourself several times...Each of these cities are different in their own way. The average size of Charlotte's projects, however seem to be bigger or taller than the rest. Nashville has several smaller projects, but one huge project, while Charlotte has one project at 800 feet and Several projects over 600 feet tall, and plenty of projects in the 3-400 foot range. That's how Charlotte compares to the rest..Most growing cities in the south around Charlotte's size have plenty of projects going up, however it seems, on average, Charlotte's for the time being are taller projects. This by no means, means Charlotte is a better city, just saying what the original topic of this thread was asking.

I personally would like to see a list of projects and construction for Nashville and Austin. I do know that Nashville doesnt have the same amount of projects and construction Charlotte does, but I would like to see a list for Austin. Nashville has the proposed signature tower..Anybody would be proud of that building.

[Reverberation]

I put a link to the Austin projects in one of my earlier posts.

[Lakelander]

Actually it's not...

Yes, we've read your posts, you've repeated yourself several times...Each of these cities are different in their own way. The average size of Charlotte's projects, however seem to be bigger or taller than the rest. Nashville has several smaller projects, but one huge project, while Charlotte has one project at 800 feet and Several projects over 600 feet tall, and plenty of projects in the 3-400 foot range. That's how Charlotte compares to the rest..Most growing cities in the south around Charlotte's size have plenty of projects going up, however it seems, on average, Charlotte's for the time being are taller projects. This by no means, means Charlotte is a better city, just saying what the original topic of this thread was asking.

I personally would like to see a list of projects and construction for Nashville and Austin. I do know that Nashville doesnt have the same amount of projects and construction Charlotte does, but I would like to see a list for Austin. Nashville has the proposed signature tower..Anybody would be proud of that building.

While Charlotte may have a tower or two proposed that's higher than the rest, out of what's posted, Jax and Tampa both have several within the 30 to 50 story range. On the opposite end of this is Orlando. It has a height limit due to a nearby airport, yet, the impact of it's projects seem to be more dramatic, because they are all within a few blocks of each other, instantly creating a compact and vibrant urban environment.

http://www.metrojacksonville.com/images/construction_update_dec06/20west-trio-112.jpg
Downtown Jax: this image captures three adaptive reuse projects, 20 West, The Laura Trio and 112. Outside of 112 (background), the majority of adaptive reuse projects are in buildings ranging from 4 to 11 stories

Another thing that separates the communities is the age of what's still standing. What's listed here is the number of "new" construction projects above 15 stories rising in the core. This leaves out a major segment of Jax and Tampa'a booms, which revolve around adaptive reuse of older historic structures such as brick warehouses, factories and midrise office buildings of yesteryear, into authentic lofts.

So yes, while each city may be growing with different types of construction and building types, its difficult to say if one is head and shoulders above another in terms of growth at this point. The good thing is that they all are growing in an urban format, as opposed to the previous decades of sprawl.

[jobe]

I heard from 4 Tampa agents that Wood's "Six Ten Franklin" has been canned. Same with their "Boulevard" project just over the river. Apparently pulled all the reservations due to lack of response.

[jobe]

Nashville has the proposed signature tower..Anybody would be proud of that building.

Actually, I wouldn't be. I'd be concerned that it, by itself, would destroy the entire Nashville market. I question that due diligence that has been put into the front-end of that deal.

[gannman]

I really don't think that Signature tower would destroy the Nashville market at all. Signature tower is directed toward the upper class in Nashville, and that is only a fraction of the population looking for downtown/urban living.

Some of the projects over 15 stories in Nashville of the top of my head are:

U/C:
Adelicia-18 stories
Icon-22
Encore I-20

approved:
Signature Tower-70 stories
West End Summit I-25
West End Summit II-23
Crown-28
Sounds Stadium Project-2 towers at ~15
Westin-22

proposed:
W Hotel-28 stories
Silver-16
Crosland-16
Encore II-20

[Lakelander]

Will the Signature Tower be mixed use or strictly condos? If so, how many units?

[gannman]

Signature tower is projected to contain 400 condo units, a ~200 room Hotel Palomar, 300,000 square feet of office space and 20,000 square feet of retail space.

[FILA20]

is signature tower going to happen not trying to be rude i just have not heard of an update on its progress just curious

[ariesjow]

Signature units are definitely aimed at the wealthiest of the wealthy. I don't think any of the other projects' price averages are near Signature's.

Nashville's condo market should remain healthy post-Signature. The only part of the condo market Signature could very well saturate is the very high end. If Signature is built, Nashville probably won't see many condo tower proposals quite as extravagant as it for a while.

is signature tower going to happen not trying to be rude i just have not heard of an update on its progress just curious

Here's an article basically summing up what's happening with Signature:

http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2007/1/18/signature_tower_has_more_hurdles_before_construction

[ariesjow]

Some of the projects over 15 stories in Nashville of the top of my head are:

U/C:
Adelicia-18 stories
Icon-22
Encore I-20

approved:
Signature Tower-70 stories
West End Summit I-25
West End Summit II-23
Crown-28
Sounds Stadium Project-2 towers at ~15
Westin-22

proposed:
W Hotel-28 stories
Silver-16
Crosland-16
Encore II-20

Good list. There's also the upcoming Eakins project on Demonbreun (2 towers - 15 to 20 stories mixed use) and the condo project at the Capital Trust Building site on West End (2 towers - 17 to 20 stories condos). :tup:

[Lakelander]

Has the Novare (Viridian?) project in Nashville been completed?

[ariesjow]

Has the Novare (Viridian?) project in Nashville been completed?

Yep. The Viridian has been completed.

[Plasticman]

Actually it's not...

Yes, we've read your posts, you've repeated yourself several times...Each of these cities are different in their own way. The average size of Charlotte's projects, however seem to be bigger or taller than the rest. Nashville has several smaller projects, but one huge project, while Charlotte has one project at 800 feet and Several projects over 600 feet tall, and plenty of projects in the 3-400 foot range. That's how Charlotte compares to the rest..Most growing cities in the south around Charlotte's size have plenty of projects going up, however it seems, on average, Charlotte's for the time being are taller projects. This by no means, means Charlotte is a better city, just saying what the original topic of this thread was asking.

I personally would like to see a list of projects and construction for Nashville and Austin. I do know that Nashville doesnt have the same amount of projects and construction Charlotte does, but I would like to see a list for Austin. Nashville has the proposed signature tower..Anybody would be proud of that building.

Actually you have none at 800', one project at 764' and two (not several) between 600 and 675 and several more less than that. Still very, very, impressive but you did exaggerate a bit.

Nashville has one massive project at 1,057 with its next tallest only at 428' and several of those mid-risers well below 400'.

So Charlotte does have the edge but only by a small margin. And from my driving through there once to twice per year for the last twelve years I still stand by my opinion that Charlotte and Nashville are comparable in appearance with Charlotte currently having an edge.

Charlotte also has the edge on the other second tier cities in the SE. But in the grand horse race of growth and impressive projects, neither Charlotte, Nashville nor Jax are three horse lengths ahead of the other.

[rickydavisfan21]

Charlotte now.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n263/bullseyedeadfish/rendernobuilding.jpg

Charlotte in 2011, at least with everything announced as of monday february the 5th, 2007 (minus a couple things)

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n263/bullseyedeadfish/render.jpg

I haven't posted one of these on here in a while.

The colored sections represent large areas that are owned by developers, with big plans for them, but have not really submitted very comprehensive renderings, and therefor I cannot follow them, because there are no streets labeled, its just pretty pictures. The orange represents a soon to be regained parcel of downtown that was before covered by a cloverleaf off ramp. I am not yet finished with the 2nd ward deal, and I will probably do the levine land (in teal) how his master plan suggests although I think it is a pipe dream.

While the height might be nice I am more excited about the density!