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Alta California
01-28-2007, 07:56 AM
Probably the most infuriating example of NIMBYism I've come across. To top it all off, the Marin County NIMBYs are fighting the Mother Theresa of non-profits, the Habitat for Humanity. The residents reasonings are atrocious; the worst is when they argued that the FOUR units would create traffic.

Habitat for Humanity faces fight in wealthy community

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2007/01/25/BAG9QNOQLT1.DTL&type=printable
A group of residents in the pricey Marin County community of Strawberry are mobilizing against an affordable housing plan by the renowned charity Habitat for Humanity, saying it would blight their neighborhood.

The group is convinced that the plan to build four three-bedroom units of low-income housing in their neighborhood would result in increased traffic and parking congestion and lower property values.

About three dozen residents who live near the proposed construction site -- 16.5 acres just west of the Tiburon city limits -- are attempting to raise $100,000 for legal fees to challenge the project, which still must be approved by the county Planning Commission.

"Habitat for Humanity goes into blighted neighborhoods and fixes them up. Here they are going into an enhanced neighborhood and blighting it," said Bill Duane, a 58-year-old resident of Bay Vista Drive, near the proposed site. "I'm not against low-cost housing, but this is social engineering. The county does not have the right to choose my neighbors."

Such a ruckus is not unusual in Marin, where homeowners have been notoriously hostile to development, especially the kind that threatens to lower the value of their property. But the charity made famous by former President Jimmy Carter would seem an unconventional target.

About 100 Strawberry residents packed a recent Strawberry Design Review Board meeting. They said they support, and in some cases have participated in, the charity's work, but do not believe the development will fit into their neighborhood, where most homes are worth between $1 million and $2 million.

"The homes are of a certain type and would not fit in. The placement of these homes would really stand out," said Alan Krepack, 54, a management consultant who has lived on Bay Vista Drive for 18 years. "There are other places in the county where low-cost housing would be more appropriate."

Habitat officials said they were surprised by the vehemence of the opposition.

"I think NIMBYism is a convenient term and it may well fit in this case, but it is also fear of the unknown," said Phillip Kilbridge, executive director of Habitat's San Francisco chapter.

The project, at the intersection of Eagle Rock and Knoll roads and Bay Vista Drive, originally did not include any low-cost housing. The San Francisco developer, Pan Pacific Ocean Inc., wanted to divide the property into seven parcels and build three large homes to be sold on the open market. But the county requires developers that create two or more market-rate residences to also include some affordable housing.

After learning about the affordable housing requirement, the developer contacted Habitat for Humanity, a nondenominational Christian charity that has built homes for the poor in 88 countries and in more than 1,600 U.S. cities.

The plan now is to build four additional units, each a little over 1,400 square feet, with single-car garages. The buildings would be designed to look like two separate Craftsman-style homes, and each unit would be affordable to a family of four with an annual income of $56,000 or less. Each future homeowner would be required to put in 500 hours of "sweat equity" helping build their home.

"We believe that our model for developing homeownership with sweat equity is perfect for Marin County," Kilbridge said. "I would hope we would be able to partner with the neighbors so we can build a development that all parties would appreciate."

No development would be the best alternative, said several neighbors, but if it must be done, then it should at least comply with county guidelines, which require only one unit of affordable housing, not four.

"I'm perfectly willing to go along if the proposal complies with the guidelines, but it doesn't," said Dan Veto, 41, who lives on Bay Vista Drive. "I would be concerned if they were proposing to build four market-rate homes at that intersection. It's a very, very busy intersection."

Veto and others said the development would exacerbate traffic and parking problems in the neighborhood and destroy a valuable stretch of open space.

"They are getting rid of the last connection to open space that we have here," Duane said. "There are 50 different species of wildlife in this property."

It has long been the goal of county administrators and politicians to increase the amount of affordable housing in Marin, where the median price of a home is about $850,000. The high cost of housing, say housing officials, has left teachers, firefighters, police officers and other relatively low-wage workers with no place to live in the county.

"The need for workforce housing in Marin is very great," said Johanna Patri, principal planner for the Marin County Community Development Agency. "We support affordable housing."

But Patri said it has been exceedingly difficult to find any place to squeeze in low-cost housing outside of the predominantly African American enclave of Marin City and the largely Latino neighborhood of San Rafael known as the Canal area.

The reception in Marin has been so hostile that a county chapter of Habitat for Humanity disbanded in the late 1990s because the volunteers could not get any low-income housing projects off the ground, Kilbridge said.

"The argument that affordable housing lowers property values is a specious argument," Kilbridge said. "It doesn't hold water."

He said it is "a shame" that residents would raise $100,000 in an attempt to keep less fortunate families out of their neighborhood.

"Do you know how many nails that could buy?" Kilbridge asked. "To us that's a lot of money that could be of such incredible use to the community."

Residents say the Strawberry area already has enough affordable housing. Seven affordable housing units have been developed there in the past 10 years, including five rental units for employees in the nearby Strawberry shopping center.

"The idea that everybody is entitled to an affordable house wherever they want one is not valid," Duane said. "I would like to live in Cannes. I would like to live in Palm Beach. Everybody's got wishes, but that's not the way life is."

BTinSF
01-28-2007, 08:20 AM
Seriously, would YOU want to have to live next door to somebody making only $56,000 a year? Give these poor NIMBYs a break. ;)

glowrock
01-28-2007, 03:15 PM
This is a very good example of the extreme need of NIMBY-extermination squads... (read: perhaps a Mack truck??? :)) Seriously, what the hell are these uber-rich morons thinking??? :hell:

Personally, if I were Habitat for Humanity, I'd build somewhere else, mainly because I wouldn't even want to be anywhere NEAR schmucks like these people! The "poor" people who would end up living in these homes would be harassed on a daily basis, and would end up leaving anyhow...

Pathetic, simply pathetic!

Aaron (Glowrock)

munkyman
01-28-2007, 05:43 PM
Unfortunately, these types of stories seem to be more and more prevalent across much of coastal California. Increasingly short-sighted residents fight any development in their towns, and cities, for fear that it will lower their property values (particularly affordable housing). They just don't seem to want anyone else in their area.

Anyways, as a result, the state's job and population growth is in inland areas, where it's just cheaper to build because no one lives there yet who can complain and block housing projects. "Environmentalists" who live predominantly in coastal areas claim that their areas are built out - which is obviously untrue. It's why population and job growth on the coast are for the most part stagnant, and the inland areas are comparatively booming (Inland empire, Sacramento, and even east of Sacramento).

J Church
01-28-2007, 07:02 PM
The irony, of course, is that Marin still prides itself on its "liberalism."

I'm tempted to go hang a banner reading "Why does Marin hate poor people?" on an overpass over 101. So everyone can read it as they pass in their SUVs.

glowrock
01-28-2007, 07:30 PM
^^^

You should, man... The arrogance and stupidity of this bunch of NIMBY's is simply appalling!

Aaron (Glowrock)

Reverberation
01-28-2007, 07:39 PM
What bothers me is how these people view themselves as progressive. Who moves somewhere and then complains about more people moving there?

william
01-28-2007, 08:44 PM
What bothers me is how these people view themselves as progressive. Who moves somewhere and then complains about more people moving there?

Almost everyone in California.

munkyman
01-28-2007, 10:55 PM
Almost everyone in California.

I was just going to write that. But it's becoming increasingly true.

CGII
01-28-2007, 11:06 PM
What bothers me is how these people view themselves as progressive. Who moves somewhere and then complains about more people moving there?

I have a friend who moved from Marin to the Lower East Side of Milwaukee, a vibrant, 'urban' area made of old homes and mansions, with popular commercials districts and residential high rises dotting the neighbourhood. He's been nestled in his most recent home for less than 5 months, and has already joined forces with neighbours who shot down a very decent mixed use proposal that would help spark life into a commercial district nearby. They're reasoning? Increased traffic and lowered property values. It's quite sad.

william
01-28-2007, 11:45 PM
I have a friend who moved from Marin to the Lower East Side of Milwaukee, a vibrant, 'urban' area made of old homes and mansions, with popular commercials districts and residential high rises dotting the neighbourhood. He's been nestled in his most recent home for less than 5 months, and has already joined forces with neighbours who shot down a very decent mixed use proposal that would help spark life into a commercial district nearby. They're reasoning? Increased traffic and lowered property values. It's quite sad.

Don't you get tired of people who already own homes making sure no one else can? It is nothing short of extortion by artificially keeping the supply of homes down, and thus the price high. Of course, these are the same people who insist they're so very deeply concerned with "working families."

What utter horsecr@p...

BTinSF
01-28-2007, 11:50 PM
Almost everyone in California.

Fairness requires me to mention that it is not just California. Shortly after my parents moved to Florida from Maryland, they affixed a "Yankee Go Home" bumper sticker to their car. And ask just about anyone in Washington, Nevada or Arizona what they think about the new couple from California down the block. Just about the only place the old-timers may not resent newcomers are the depopulating communities of the Great Plains and maybe a few rural Southern communities trying to attract retirees to boost the tax base.

BTinSF
01-28-2007, 11:52 PM
I have a friend who moved from Marin to the Lower East Side of Milwaukee, a vibrant, 'urban' area made of old homes and mansions, with popular commercials districts and residential high rises dotting the neighbourhood. He's been nestled in his most recent home for less than 5 months, and has already joined forces with neighbours

And given how long many Californians have been at this, he may be able to teach them a lot and make them much more effective, unfortunately.

Are you still friends?

CGII
01-29-2007, 12:08 AM
Heh, yeah. It was a good debate, though.

rs913
01-29-2007, 02:31 AM
Stuff like this is why out-of-control suburban sprawl is evil. It encourages not just NIMBYism, but also this ridiculous sense of entitlement to not have to live anywhere near anyone in a lower income bracket than yours. Someone should send these people a memo that millions of NYC residents do so, and it doesn't kill them.

If this board had an equivalent to Keith Olbermann's "Worst Person in the World" award, I know who I'd nominate. :yuck:

Reverberation
01-29-2007, 02:40 AM
In the article, it says that they oppose the FOUR units because it is social engineering. Shooting down every proposal to create a scarcity in the housing stock and artificially drive up costs resulting in much wealthier buyers is social engineering too. Pricks.

coyotetrickster
01-29-2007, 03:42 AM
In the article, it says that they oppose the FOUR units because it is social engineering. Shooting down every proposal to create a scarcity in the housing stock and artificially drive up costs resulting in much wealthier buyers is social engineering too. Pricks.


Hey, everything society does is social engineering.:sly:

fflint
01-29-2007, 12:00 PM
Here's a possible scenario:

The selfish Baby Boomer-NIMBYs continue to halt necessary change and growth in the region; they finally, finally die off; decades' worth of pent-up demand for change and growth is satisfied in a short period of time.

tujunga
01-29-2007, 01:16 PM
Here's a possible scenario:

The selfish Baby Boomer-NIMBYs continue to halt necessary change and growth in the region; they finally, finally die off; decades' worth of pent-up demand for change and growth is satisfied in a short period of time.

^ And someone like you will take their place and finally, finally you too will die off. :D That's a very offensive statement you made:slob:

We tax the hell out of the wealthy, I say leave them alone we need the money, especially HFH.

Seems to me even Habitat For Humanity does not want to invest in poor neighborhoods, you know areas that really need housing to promote pride of ownership.

tujunga
01-29-2007, 01:34 PM
oops

J Church
01-29-2007, 05:07 PM
Yeah, oops.

wong21fr
01-29-2007, 05:22 PM
It's not a condition unique to California, in Colorado it prevelant in Boulder which is accepting of everyone; as long as you are liberal, white, college-educated, and well-off. Elitist liberalism at it's finest.

BTinSF
01-29-2007, 06:16 PM
Here's a possible scenario:

The selfish Baby Boomer-NIMBYs continue to halt necessary change and growth in the region; they finally, finally die off; decades' worth of pent-up demand for change and growth is satisfied in a short period of time.

I'm one of the few baby boomers around here and I'm on your side (at least with this issue--except I'd rather not think about dying off :dead: ). But do you really think this is a generational issue? In San Francisco, I've encountered quite a few Gen X folks who can't comprehend my love of either tall buildings or construction projects. It may be that we boomers are on average a little richer because we've had longer to save and invest (and need our nest eggs for retirement) but that doesn't make us automatically more selfish.

My prediction: generations to come will have proportionally just as many 50 year old selfish people as my generation does. It comes with age--you feel you worked hard for what you've got and you don't want to se it threatened.

Reverberation
01-29-2007, 07:14 PM
I worked hard to get into college. Am I working to make it impossible for others to do the same? The root of this is liberal elitists who use environmental matters to veil their prejudice.

There is no shortage of open space in Marin County. There is a serious shortage of affordable housing. The average home price is $850,000. You would need to pull around $300k per year just to make it after taxes. Where will the firemen, police, sanitation workers, teachers, and younger families live?

The Bay Area is going to be hurt by this in the upcoming years. It is artificial tinkering with economic forces. The area's natural beauty can be preserved without keeping new residents out.

fflint
01-30-2007, 12:40 AM
I'm one of the few baby boomers around here and I'm on your side (at least with this issue--except I'd rather not think about dying off :dead: ). But do you really think this is a generational issue?
Yes. It is my impression that local NIMBYism is a product of the landed Baby Boom gentry.

My prediction: generations to come will have proportionally just as many 50 year old selfish people as my generation does. It comes with age--you feel you worked hard for what you've got and you don't want to se it threatened.
My prediction: Bay Area generations to come will be mostly Asian and Latino immigrants and their children. So far there is little indication those demographics shall become, like today's Bay Area landed Baby Boomer gentry, obsessively hellbent on opposing densification and retarding housing growth regardless of its effects on the region's long-term sustainability. Look at LA for, IMO, the future of the Bay Area in terms of demographics and growth: it's far from perfect, but it continues to densify significantly.

BTinSF
01-30-2007, 01:00 AM
^^^So it's a racial thing, not generational? The Asians and Latinos will save us?

I'm trying to keep this friendly, but do you realize that so far you are appealing to prejudice based on (1) age, (2) generation, (3) race and/or national origin?

Then there's the possibility that you are wrong anyway. In the Bay Area, Latinos have been so far pretty apolitical (except for a few like former Sup. Gonzales). But Asians led the fight to keep the Central Freeway and they are among the strongest advocates of the Central Subway--niether popular with a lot of forumers. The subway issue is, in their eyes, about Chinatown business and the freeway issue was about Richmond residents not feeling listened to much like some Marin residents don't feel listened to on this issue.

J Church
01-30-2007, 01:11 AM
Whoa--best not speak of cultural traits, lest you "appeal to prejudice."

Go to any meeting where a development is being discussed and you'll find the room packed with a) white people, b) older people. Mind you this also probably speaks to bias in the outreach process, and I'll differ from Flinty on one point: Nothing gets built in the Sunset, either.

BTinSF
01-30-2007, 01:12 AM
The Bay Area is going to be hurt by this in the upcoming years. It is artificial tinkering with economic forces. The area's natural beauty can be preserved without keeping new residents out.

But, ahem, one thing we nearly all agree on in the Bay Area is that we don't want it to grow to resemble . . . Houston. Sorry.

BTinSF
01-30-2007, 01:18 AM
Whoa--best not speak of cultural traits, lest you "appeal to prejudice."



So you deny there was that in what was being said? It's all the fault of old white people--like Chris Daly, Willie Brown, Rose Pak, Tom Ammiano, Ross Mirkarimi and Sophie Maxwell.

Am I really alone here in protesting this? How many of those older white people packing your meetings are gay, by the way? Are they to blame too?

Come on. I realize some things have been said here that could back people into corners, but I can't believe you all mean what you are saying and that I'm the only one who cares.

J Church
01-30-2007, 01:28 AM
You know what, I'm going to bite my tongue, but you'd best put that gay card back in your pocket.

BTinSF
01-30-2007, 01:39 AM
You know what, I'm going to bite my tongue, but you'd best put that gay card back in your pocket.

Why? As I think you know, I am one (gay) so my point is simply that I am feeling attacked here from 3 angles so far and that seems to be OK with everyone. As you know, San Francisco's non-gay older white population is dwindling and the gay folks who came in the 70's and gentrified swaths of the city are aging so that's why I mentioned that a lot of those folks at your meetings are probably gay--like me.

But, again, on what's happening in Marin, I agree with everyone else and that's why I'm so surprised that people like me are getting blamed--not only for that but for the rest of San Francisco's NIMBY troubles, all of which I have argued vociferously against here and everywhere I can.

This is really crazy.

J Church
01-30-2007, 01:40 AM
Who the fuck said anything about gay?

BTinSF
01-30-2007, 01:46 AM
Look. This is going nowhere. You are right. Me--people like me--old, white, and the other thing ('cause whether you want to face it or not, a lot of the older white folks who go to community meetings in SF are that other thing) we did it. We block housing for poor people and 1000 ft highrises all over SF. But soon we'll die--as we should. OK. Whatever. I quit 'cause I can't win.

J Church
01-30-2007, 01:47 AM
You know, it really is not about you.

I'm going to go have a drink.

Reminiscence
01-30-2007, 02:29 AM
Whoa, easy guys, lets not lose it here. I would think that no matter what, this subject touches us all, regardless of race, age, religion or any other modes of distinguising people. Myself as a Latino you could say would have a hard time moving anywhere in the Bay Area. In fact, I really think the only reason my family lives there now, is because they've been there since 85'. The system is always biased in some way whether we realize it or not. I dont even argue about it anymore, I dont expect to see Marin affordable in 2020 or even 2050, which is bad news for me, but we'll see ... a lot can change between now and then.

fflint
01-30-2007, 03:04 AM
Oh, I do apologize if I've offended or confused.

I was discussing NIMBYs--landowning, Bay Area Baby Boomer NIMBYs specifically--and BT, it never crossed my mind that you were, or would somehow recognize yourself as, such a person. Are you a NIMBY? If so, I do apologize for being so blunt and unpleasant. If not, I apologize for somehow confusing you into thinking you were being talked about when nobody was really talking about you at all.

I really do believe the Bay Area will be mostly Latino and Asian within a generation, and that such an outcome would change the dynamics of local politics, but of course I could be wrong. That goes without saying when we're indulging in armchair prognostication.

liat91
01-30-2007, 11:22 AM
It's not a condition unique to California, in Colorado it prevelant in Boulder which is accepting of everyone; as long as you are liberal, white, college-educated, and well-off. Elitist liberalism at it's finest.


Amen!!!!!!!!!!

I've had a good dose of these clowns in a few cities I've lived in. They claim
"liberal" or "sophisticate" so they don't have to feel like the wretched souls they are.

What is a Rivercat?
01-30-2007, 03:52 PM
Is it me or is everyone missing the fact that in Marin "low income" is $56,000 or less! That is absurd, not to mention $16,000 over what the average American family of four makes.

Frisco_Zig
01-31-2007, 08:19 AM
Is it me or is everyone missing the fact that in Marin "low income" is $56,000 or less! That is absurd, not to mention $16,000 over what the average American family of four makes.

That is not surprising in the least to people from the Bay Area. People don't blink at a 3/2 850K house

56K household is low income here

Reverberation
01-31-2007, 02:52 PM
I know that the average salary in the Bay Area is not enough to throw down on an $850,000 house. The fact is that this neighborhood is fighting the addition of FOUR units. That is not anywhere near what is actually needed. The longer this area avoids this problem, the more that will have to be done in the future to compensate.

PDXPaul
01-31-2007, 11:12 PM
It's baby boomers. My mom/aunt/that generation, all Chinese, all totally against anything. Being asian won't save you from being born in the 50's. "There used to be Chinese laundromats here when I was a little girl". "Uh, most people have a washer and dryer in their homes now, they don't really need laundromats as much..." "Irrelevant, it's these yuppie assholes who move in here and destroy the neighborhood." "Uh, we're driving an E-Class, I'm pretty sure that makes us yuppie assholes. And didn't you just move to Tahoe?" A conversation with my Aunt who gets offended at the tips jar in Starbucks.

Frisco_Zig
02-06-2007, 05:45 AM
I know that the average salary in the Bay Area is not enough to throw down on an $850,000 house. The fact is that this neighborhood is fighting the addition of FOUR units. That is not anywhere near what is actually needed. The longer this area avoids this problem, the more that will have to be done in the future to compensate.

Certainly a big part of this affordability issue is all of the protected land in the Bay Area. Huge swaths. The Bay Area made a progressive decision to protect open space but did not back that up with the commensurate density on the available urban land. Bad recipe for affordable housing

Frisco_Zig
02-06-2007, 05:48 AM
[QUOTE=PDXPaul;2602412] "Irrelevant, it's these yuppie assholes who move in here and destroy the neighborhood." [QUOTE]

For many white people in SF (and increasingly on the Pennisula) its what they say about the Chinese

All of it of course is wrong

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