[nordique]

http://media.winnipegfreepress.com/images/seasons-18846582H3001086.jpg

boy does something need to happen with kapyong.

[hexrae]

:previous: Speaking of which...

Activists protest delay over Kapyong housing (http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/activists-protest-delay-over-kapyong-housing-70603957.html)

By: Mary Agnes Welch

20/11/2009 1:00 AM | Comments: 16

The vacant houses at Kapyong barracks sparked a war of words Thursday, and today they'll prompt a protest in front of Treasury Board president Vic Toews' office.

"They are a glaring example of the federal government's inaction on housing," said Ellen Kruger, spokesperson for the Right to Housing Coalition. "It's shameful."

Well over 100 homes, known as the permanent married quarters or PMQs, have stood empty for five years, ever since soldiers vacated the base on Kenaston Boulevard. Housing advocates have long demanded the homes be rented out to needy families instead of being left to deteriorate, mired in bureaucratic delays and now caught up in a First Nations land claim.

Toews, who has argued First Nations have no claim on Kapyong, said in an email statement Thursday that a court challenge launched by seven First Nations effectively bars Ottawa from taking action on the houses.

"The Government of Canada cannot act in a manner that is inconsistent with the decision that is under appeal," said Toews.

And he said it's the First Nations who are holding up a plan to make use of the vacant houses.

"As for whether the government of Canada can provide the housing to the First Nations claimants, by moving it off the site, we have asked the First Nations to agree to that, and to provide the housing to them free of charge if they paid the moving costs. They have refused to amend their claim to allow that to occur," wrote Toews.

Winnipeg South Centre Liberal MP Anita Neville said the issue calls for cool-headed negotiation instead of inflammatory language. Housing advocates agreed, and lawyer Norm Boudreau, who acts for the bands, said Toews' arguments are bunk.

In late September, a federal court judge ruled that Ottawa had failed to properly consult with First Nations and had to do so before selling Kapyong. Ottawa recently appealed that ruling, further delaying progress on Kapyong, said Boudreau.

The ruling only applies to the working part of the base -- the warehouses and drill halls and offices. The houses haven't started to move through Ottawa's long surplus land disposal process, which would trigger consultations. So, Ottawa can do anything it likes with the homes, including renting them out, said Boudreau.

Peguis Chief Glenn Hudson, whose band is one of the seven First Nations claiming Kapyong, said the issue of moving the homes is a red herring. The bands don't want the homes to be moved onto reserves -- it's too costly. Instead, they want to help develop Kapyong.

"We're looking for the best opportunity for all Winnipeggers and for our people," said Hudson.

Frustrated with the morass, housing advocates are staging another picket today at 3 p.m. on Kenaston. And, they're heading to Toews constituency office in Steinbach in hopes of meeting with him.

The coalition estimates the houses have cost taxpayers $7.5 million the since they were left vacant, including maintenance and lost rent.

maryagnes.welch@freepress.mb.ca

[Only The Lonely..]

IKEA to anchor high-end retail complex
Sod turned for huge Seasons of Tuxedo development

By: Bartley Kives


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21/11/2009 7:50 AM | Comments: 0
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Seasons of Tuxedo, shown in drawings, is touted as ‘unique’ shopping centre.
ALTHOUGH Winnipeg won't be getting a domed stadium, the city can look forward to a mall beneath some form of dome.

The latest site design for the IKEA-led Sea­sons of Tuxedo development diverges slightly from the big-box norm, as a high-concept mall with 150,000 square feet of space protected from the elements is planned for the north side of Sterling Lyon Parkway.

The mall is part of a 1.5-million-square-foot commercial development that formally got underway at a Friday-morning sod-turning ceremony attended by Premier Greg Selinger, Mayor Sam Katz and co-developers IKEA Can­ada and Fairweather Properties.

Michael Nozick, Fairweather's president, said the shopping centre is being designed with landscaping and other features to minimize the effects of a Winnipeg winter.

"If I used the word 'dome,' that would be a little bit of an exaggeration. That's close, (as) it will be out of the effects of winter," he said.

Just like David Asper's Creswin Properties, which is trying to assemble tenants for an up­scale mall called The Elms at Polo Park, Fair­weather wants to create some form of shopping destination that will be unique in the Winnipeg market and draw in tourists from across Mani­toba and neighbouring states and provinces.

"This won't be just a strip mall. This will be something far more exciting," Nozick said. "It will be a form of mall unique to anywhere. I don't think it's in North America, what we're planning."

But he also claimed Seasons of Tuxedo is not competing directly with The Elms, a smaller project whose success hinges on Creswin's abil­ity to land higher-end department stores as an­chor tenants.

"If they can get that upper-end retail seg­ment to come to Winnipeg, that's tremendous­ly beneficial for our city. We're not talking to Nordstrom or Nieman Marcus. They're not on our agenda at all," Nozick said.

"I don't see us as competitive. Their project has its issues and they'll have to deal with those. We have IKEA."

The 350,000-square-foot IKEA store that will serve as the anchor tenant at Seasons of Tux­edo is now slated to open no earlier than 2012, Nozick said. Retailers in other components of the development may open sooner, he added.

He declined to name any specific retailers, but pledged to announce some names in 2010.

Mayor Katz, however, has one name on his wish list.

"It's called Justice. They make children's clothing," said the father of two.

Water and sewer work on the Seasons of Tux­edo development will begin next week, followed by roadwork in 2010.

[Keng]

http://media.winnipegfreepress.com/images/seasons-18846582H3001086.jpg

boy does something need to happen with kapyong.


You are so right, and Wow! That aerial shot really puts the scale of this development into perspective.

[1ajs]

bleh thats going to kill st james polo area

[nordique]

i like the fact that there is a herd of bison (fort whyte alive) grazing right next door to this massive megalopolis shopping power centre that is kenaston blvd. i'm not sure any city can say they have that? very manitoba!

[Keng]

i like the fact that there is a herd of bison (fort whyte alive) grazing right next door to this massive megalopolis shopping power centre that is kenaston blvd. i'm not sure any city can say they have that? very manitoba!

Not to mention the free roaming deer population, if they only new what was in store for them.

[Spocket]

bleh thats going to kill st james polo area

Actually , it will probably have the opposite effect. Instead of having just one super-node of retail in the Polo Park area , the whole of Kenaston is being turned into a node in itself. A crowd attracts a crowd.

[hexrae]

Actually , it will probably have the opposite effect. Instead of having just one super-node of retail in the Polo Park area , the whole of Kenaston is being turned into a node in itself. A crowd attracts a crowd.

I hope so, it'd be nice for these new developments to build and expand the retail industry, rather than suck the life out of existing areas. I understand the latter will occur in some form, but hopefully not to overly detrimental effects.

[thurmas]

anyone know if transit service will be improved in this area when the development occurs I for one am baffled that there are so few #78 buses that go out to kenaston and there are none during weekends.

[newflyer]

anyone know if transit service will be improved in this area when the development occurs I for one am baffled that there are so few #78 buses that go out to kenaston and there are none during weekends.

They are planning a bus loop within the development, so I would think there will be more than one bus servicing this major development.

[hexrae]

The 78 is a horrible service imo. There exists a need for an express through the area, along with a route servicing the local neighborhood. The 78 seems to service both.

[drew]

anyone know if transit service will be improved in this area when the development occurs I for one am baffled that there are so few #78 buses that go out to kenaston and there are none during weekends.

You're really surprised?

The only people riding those buses are some of the 9-5 workers along that small industrial stretch of Kenaston from Sterling Lyon to the Power centre retail.

Most of the people that shop along this stretch during the weekend and in the evenings wouldn't be caught dead on a transit bus, and I would assume the same is true of most of the people working these stores.

[Kinguni]

anyone know if transit service will be improved in this area when the development occurs I for one am baffled that there are so few #78 buses that go out to kenaston and there are none during weekends.

On the City's website it states that all day service will be provided by the 78. Like that bus doesn't do enough zigging and zagging already. I'm of the opinion that a cross town route should be as direct as possible and smaller routes should feed off it. Currently it's the only bus planned, no bus loop, just bus stops.

[1ajs]

Actually , it will probably have the opposite effect. Instead of having just one super-node of retail in the Polo Park area , the whole of Kenaston is being turned into a node in itself. A crowd attracts a crowd.
polo at least i can take a bus and be there in 20

[Mininari]

The 78 is a horrible service imo. There exists a need for an express through the area, along with a route servicing the local neighborhood. The 78 seems to service both.

Low-density sprawling retail developments are never going to garner much transit ridership, save some of the 9 - 5 crowd. Now, if they were building considerable amounts of higher-density residential with this project, then maybe.

Besides, who takes the bus to ikea? We're all too cheap to pay for delivery!

[1ajs]

pfft why would i go to ikea when i can get real furniture for free

[h0twired]

pfft why would i go to ikea when i can get real furniture for free

:whatthefuck:

Where would one get free "real" furniture?

[Spocket]

^Beavers.
Beavers make their own homes. They're master carpenters and man , if you get a beaver to make a chair for you , it's the last chair you'll ever need.

[SpongeG]

bleh thats going to kill st james polo area

can't winnipeg have more than one shopping area? its big enough isn't it?

most stores open multiple locations usually

[JayM]

Polo Park is dying the rent is too high the parking sucks, its overall situation blows. Its not the same as it once was. Sure it was the talk of the town in the past, but places such as St Vital Centre, this new area with Ikea(Sterling Lyon/Kenaston) and basically Kenaston power centre is taking over the city.

[1ajs]

witch means i am being forced to go to the south end of the city to go shoping witch is just plane fucking stupid and not good planing

[bomberguy]

:drowning:

[h0twired]

witch means i am being forced to go to the south end of the city to go shoping witch is just plane fucking stupid and not good planing

Who is forcing you to do anything?

Overreact much?

[jmt18325]

Polo Park is dying the rent is too high the parking sucks, its overall situation blows.


I don't see it as dying. It just got a bunch of new places, including Apple and Sephora.

[nordique]

and H&M soon... not dying at all.

[jmt18325]

St. James Street is dying (the street, not the stores) and isn't on the city's capital plan, but that's about the worst of it.

[nordique]

you're talking physically? i agree, because every time i drive down there i feel my poor car's suspension is going to disintegrate or catch fire somehow. rough streets of winnipeg indeed.

[jmt18325]

Well, most streets aren't really that terrible (some are of course), but St. James is bad bad bad.

[Brokenhead]

well, since i am on the south side, everything is good for me though

[flatlander]

Polo Park is one of the highest grossing malls in Canada (on a per square foot basis).

I am disappointed the Hilfiger store closed. What can i say. I have a striped tie fetish.

I'll take Polo Park over the Kenaston tumour anyday.

[Biff]

you're talking physically? i agree, because every time i drive down there i feel my poor car's suspension is going to disintegrate or catch fire somehow. rough streets of winnipeg indeed.


I have a new appreciation for Winnipeg Streets. I was just in South Bend, Indiana and if you think our streets are bad you obviously haven't been to South Bend.

....i agree St James is in terrible shape though.

[Boreal]

Polo Park isn't dying. I don't even know how one comes to such a claim. It is the retail powerhouse between Toronto and Calgary. And adding some big name stores (H&M, Forever 21) in the very near future. It just underwent a renovation.

In comparison, St. Vital is a teeny-bopper mall. It serves its purpose well, but it's a regional mall. Not a mall that is going to strip consumers from far reaches of the city.

[jmt18325]

....i agree St James is in terrible shape though.


It's really the only street that I have that big of a complaint about.

[grumpy old man]

witch means i am being forced to go to the south end of the city to go shoping witch is just plane fucking stupid and not good planing

You've made your disdain for Ikea evident, but to think Polo Park is dying is maybe the worst case of Chicken Little I've heard in many a year. Hell Polo Park doesn't even have a cold. That area is thriving.

[SKYSTHELIMIT]

You've made your disdain for Ikea evident, but to think Polo Park is dying is maybe the worst case of Chicken Little I've heard in many a year. Hell Polo Park doesn't even have a cold. That area is thriving.

I gotta agree with grumpy here. This isn't a one horse town anymore we can sustain both areas.

[Kinguni]

It's really the only street that I have that big of a complaint about.

Try driving down Ellice. On a Saturday afternoon. Rougher than hell with stupid traffic.

[jmt18325]

I don't find Ellice as bad actually. There is a short section that is, but I don't think it's as bad as St. James between Sargent and Silver.

[flatlander]

Taylor is so bad, I saw a Reimer Soils truck inching along so that it wouldn't break an axle today.

Streets aren't smoother, city isn't safer, why would anyone vote for this j*ckass?

[jmt18325]

On the other hand, the city is doing quite well in terms of growth. I don't like him, but it could be worse.

[flatlander]

On the other hand, the city is doing quite well in terms of growth. I don't like him, but it could be worse.

Do you attribute the growth to the mayor? What growth exactly - population, GDP? I'm not sure if any growth can be attributed to anything the City does.

[jmt18325]

You're probably right, I was simply playing devil's advocate.

[newflyer]

Do you attribute the growth to the mayor? What growth exactly - population, GDP? I'm not sure if any growth can be attributed to anything the City does.

Yes Population... the best it has been in decades

Yes GDP .. consistantly among the top GDP growth cities in the nation the last number of years.

Of course it can be partially attributed to the leadership. Business taxes have come down, red tape slashed and a business friendly atmosphere has be adopted. Companies are investing and upgrading. In addition major infrastructure projects are set to begin including Route 90 expansion, rapid transit and the massive global transportation hub (Centreport Canada).

Yes there is alot of room for improvement, but overall I feel Winnipeg is definately on the right path.

[Spocket]

Yes Population... the best it has been in decades

Yes GDP .. consistantly among the top GDP growth cities in the nation the last number of years.

Of course it can be partially attributed to the leadership. Business taxes have come down, red tape slashed and a business friendly atmosphere has be adopted. Companies are investing and upgrading. In addition major infrastructure projects are set to begin including Route 90 expansion, rapid transit and the massive global transportation hub (Centreport Canada).

Yes there is alot of room for improvement, but overall I feel Winnipeg is definately on the right path.
But Katz has actually done very little in terms of his leadership. Our growth began before he took office anyway and frankly , as much as I'm loathe to admit it , it probably has far more to do with the NDP's policies than anything the city itself has done. We're still a high tax , low cash , blue-collar working town relative to the rest of this country's cities and that's pretty much always been the case. Katz has probably reinforced the notion that the city is open for business but it's highly debatable that he's actually done anything concrete to lure them in otherwise.

[Kinguni]

Yes there is alot of room for improvement, but overall I feel Winnipeg is definately on the right path.

I hoe the momentum can be maintained to keep it going down the right path. It seems like there has been an overload of new retail in the Winnipeg over the last number 5-10 years and I have to wonder how it's all being supported.

[Winnipegger@Heart]

Pent up demand! Retail in the city is simply being brought in line with the population. Spending in the city has always been steady, and while sales are down elsewhere, they remain strong in Winnipeg.

[newflyer]

But Katz has actually done very little in terms of his leadership. Our growth began before he took office anyway and frankly , as much as I'm loathe to admit it , it probably has far more to do with the NDP's policies than anything the city itself has done. We're still a high tax , low cash , blue-collar working town relative to the rest of this country's cities and that's pretty much always been the case. Katz has probably reinforced the notion that the city is open for business but it's highly debatable that he's actually done anything concrete to lure them in otherwise.

The city business tax has been reduced by 20% and the amount of red tape at city hall has also been greatly reduced. This alone has drawn attention to the city where it was once ignored by many as it has been viewed as anti-business. The GDP growth has continued and has resulted in a significant broadening of the tax base. The investment environment has greatly improved in the city since he has took over the mayor's position.

Of course Katz has promised time and time again that he'll eliminate the city business tax, as it is a second property tax on the business community. If he does this he will go down as one of the greatest mayors in Winnipeg's history IMO, but he has alot of work to get there.

[Mininari]

Moved to "Winnipeg Retail Thread"

[1ajs]

whys this in the ikea thread?

[roccerfeller]

Any updates on the IKEA site recently? I was by that area recently, the expansion to the roads there is coming along nicely

[1ajs]

u know more then me i don't go down to that end of town very often

[Mininari]

They've made good progress on implementing this:
http://www.winnipeg.ca/ppd/planning/SterlingLyon/pdfs/roadimprovements.pdf

I imagine sewer and servicing work is advanced for the Ikea site, but no signs of any excavation or pile-driving yet... anyone know approximately when this is to start?

[JayM]

That is interesting those turning lanes. I have seen those in Stienbach.

[h0twired]

They've made good progress on implementing this:
http://www.winnipeg.ca/ppd/planning/SterlingLyon/pdfs/roadimprovements.pdf

I imagine sewer and servicing work is advanced for the Ikea site, but no signs of any excavation or pile-driving yet... anyone know approximately when this is to start?

Only in Winnipeg would an at-grade intersection of that size be built.

[vid]

It's almost a SPUI!

[RTD]

Only in Winnipeg would an at-grade intersection of that size be built.

Not true. They have those kinds of intersection in Alberta, precisely Edmonton and Calgary. I think I may have even seen them in BC and Ontario as well in the larger centres.

With that said, it is my opinion that this should have been an interchange.

[h0twired]

Not true. They have those kinds of intersection in Alberta, precisely Edmonton and Calgary. I think I may have even seen them in BC and Ontario as well in the larger centres.


I challenge you to find one in Calgary.

[RTD]

I challenge you to fine one in Calgary.

How about on Crowchild Trail at Nose Hill Dr.? There were massive turning lanes separated from the thru traffic lanes in each direction. Same for other intersections along Crowchild north of where the freeway portion ends.

Or on Mcknight Blve onto 52nd Street from what I recall? Again, several others on Mcknight also stand out as massive.

The list goes on for both Edmonton and Calgary. Winnipeg never had any such kind of intersections before the IKEA complex, but they have been common in other parts of the country.

[h0twired]

How about on Crowchild Trail at Nose Hill Dr.? There were massive turning lanes separated from the thru traffic lanes in each direction. Same for other intersections along Crowchild north of where the freeway portion ends.

Or on Mcknight Blve onto 52nd Street from what I recall? Again, several others on Mcknight also stand out as massive.

The list goes on for both Edmonton and Calgary. Winnipeg never had any such kind of intersections before the IKEA complex, but they have been common in other parts of the country.

Crowchild @ Nose Hill = interchange

Crowchild past Nose Hill (ie Stoney) is also being converted to an interchange. After that you are outside of the city limits.

McKnight @ 52nd is bigger but still a far cry from the number of lanes for the RT 90 @ IKEA intersection.

[RTD]

Crowchild @ Nose Hill = interchange

Crowchild past Nose Hill (ie Stoney) is also being converted to an interchange. After that you are outside of the city limits.

McKnight @ 52nd is bigger but still a far cry from the number of lanes for the RT 90 @ IKEA intersection.

Maybe some are interchanged now, but my point remains that large scale at-grade intersections are not only a Winnipeg phenomenon.

[vid]

Shaganappi at Country Hills in Calgary's northern suburbs. Glenmore at Barlow in Eastern Calgary. Every major intersection along Burnhamthorpe, Dundas, Queensway and Hurontario in Mississauga (especially any intersection involving both of them). Queensway and Cawthra is a huge at-grade intersection. Bathurst and Centre in Thornhill is big. Queen and Dixie, Chunguacousy and Steeles, both in Brampton. Dixie and Mississauga in Mississauga in the middle of a modern industrial park. Derry and Winston Churchill in Mississauga.

These are all just simple, right angle intersections of two 6 lane roads though, nothing complex like at Winnipeg's IKEA. While those examples have more lanes of traffic using the intersection, the one at IKEA has more turning lanes.

[Tower Crane]

I hate to agree with rtd but Edmonton does have these types of intersections. That said they are in areas that don't warrant an overpass, where it does Edmonton does a very good job at putting in interchanges.
Route 90 is poorly planned to move traffic, the intersection near Lindenwoods and White Ridge should have been an interchange.

[jmt18325]

We aren't going to be getting many interchanges in Winnipeg. We can't afford them (I'm not sure how other cities do), and that's simply the way it is.

[hexrae]

I wouldn't mind seeing diamond interchanges at least. When Sterling Lyon and the Kenaston underpass were built, that would've been as good a place as any to start (Sterling Lyon being the route exposed to the traffic lights).

[Kinguni]

I want a big traffic circle! :D

[The Jabroni]

I want a big traffic circle! :D

You mean something like this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_%28Swindon%29

[GORDBO]

I wouldn't mind seeing diamond interchanges at least. When Sterling Lyon and the Kenaston underpass were built, that would've been as good a place as any to start (Sterling Lyon being the route exposed to the traffic lights).

That would make "too" much sense, Remember, we do live in Winnipeg!

[trueviking]

Seasons of Tuxedo

Located in a high growth area of Winnipeg, DHPY created a master plan for Fairweather Properties for a 220-acre site with 1.5 million sf of commercial space. Anchored by IKEA, the plan calls for specialty and big box retail, a 500-key hotel with water park and conference space, movie theatre, restaurants, residential and a signifigant amount of site ammenties such as ice skating. The majority of the site is in partnership with IKEA, the swedish retailer that typically co-develops projects in Europe. This development is particularly important for IKEA becasue it marks the first time it will co-develop a project in North America, following its global strategy.


http://www.dorskyhodgson.com/images/uploaded/large/200%20scale%20site%20plan_MARKETING%20CROP%20ONLY.jpg

http://www.dorskyhodgson.com/images/uploaded/large/Fashion%20Street%20Summer.jpg

http://www.dorskyhodgson.com/images/uploaded/large/market%20street%20winter%20darker.jpg

http://www.dorskyhodgson.com/images/uploaded/large/town%20center%20color%20-%20WD.jpg

http://www.dorskyhodgson.com/portfolio.aspx

[vid]

We aren't going to be getting many interchanges in Winnipeg. We can't afford them (I'm not sure how other cities do), and that's simply the way it is.

The provincial government chips in. Almost every major road construction project here is mostly funded by the province. We also have various development agencies that contribute funds to infrastructure development.

[JayM]

Holy rotunda Batman!

[Mininari]

I wouldn't mind seeing diamond interchanges at least. When Sterling Lyon and the Kenaston underpass were built, that would've been as good a place as any to start (Sterling Lyon being the route exposed to the traffic lights).

Yeah, I've been wondering why they don't consider diamond interchanges around here. Granted some intersections have significant turn movements, which diamonds don't work well for... (perhaps double-left turn laning?) but they're cost-effective for keeping a major artery's through-traffic flowing.

[bicycles]

any updates on this? say, cancelled? :(

[The Jabroni]

any updates on this? say, cancelled? :(

Apart from the major roadworks along Kenaston around the Sterling Lyon Parkway? Not really. Things have been quiet.
:frog:

[RTD]

any updates on this? say, cancelled? :(

Drive by the actual site, and you'll see just how "cancelled" it really is :rolleyes:

[Mininari]

Drive by the actual site, and you'll see just how "cancelled" it really is :rolleyes:

I'm thinking that IKEA figured out its final construction costs BEFORE they started to clear shrubs and dig a big hole.

[h0twired]

any updates on this? say, cancelled? :(

A lot of the work in terms of preparing the site won't look like much from the street.

Running utilities, infrastructure, grading etc are pretty low key but necessary for a project of this magnitude.

[bicycles]

the plan is still for another awful big box centre though? that's dissapointing, I thought big cities were starting to move past these things...

[h0twired]

the plan is still for another awful big box centre though? that's dissapointing, I thought big cities were starting to move past these things...

:facepalm:

Yes. And we all take transit, ride our bikes, live as vegans, grow organic food in our backyards and crap in our compost buckets.

Are you being ignorant just to troll this thread and start and anti-IKEA or anti-bigbox flamewar?

[flatlander]

hotwired: cool it. legitimate question even if you disagree.

[h0twired]

How is that a legitimate question?

There has been nothing said about the project being cancelled, there are still crews on site actively working on the property and there has been no change in Winnipeg by-laws that would step in at this time to cancel the Kenaston IKEA development.

So what exactly makes the question legitimate?

This sounds more like a whiny "holier-than-thou" post about IKEA phrased in the form of a question.

[The Jabroni]

How is that a legitimate question?

There has been nothing said about the project being cancelled, there are still crews on site actively working on the property and there has been no change in Winnipeg by-laws that would step in at this time to cancel the Kenaston IKEA development.

So what exactly makes the question legitimate?

This sounds more like a whiny "holier-than-thou" post about IKEA phrased in the form of a question.

I'm with you in this one, which is why I didn't take bicycles too seriously from the get-go. Sure, it may be a question, but legitimate? That in itself is the question.

It's either that, or my "troll detector" is half working. :rolleyes:

[bicycles]

How is that a legitimate question?

There has been nothing said about the project being cancelled, there are still crews on site actively working on the property and there has been no change in Winnipeg by-laws that would step in at this time to cancel the Kenaston IKEA development.

So what exactly makes the question legitimate?

This sounds more like a whiny "holier-than-thou" post about IKEA phrased in the form of a question.

I'm not currently living in Winnipeg, so I haven't been able to stay completely up to date on all the happenings. It's a legitimate question. Obviously, I'm opposed to this development but how does that marginalize my opinion? It's a type of development that I think is wrong for the city and counter-productive to other things they're trying to achieve (good rapid transit, walkable communities, complete communities, etc)

[bicycles]

:facepalm:

Yes. And we all take transit, ride our bikes, live as vegans, grow organic food in our backyards and crap in our compost buckets.

Are you being ignorant just to troll this thread and start and anti-IKEA or anti-bigbox flamewar?

This post really shows how ignorant you are. What is wrong with taking transit, riding your bike, being vegan, and growing organic food? It's pathetic that you would mock this lifestyle when it's a progressive and sustainable one that more people should be thinking about adopting.

[roccerfeller]

guys he just asked a question! his opinion might be different but it doesnt make it stupid to ask.

I dont consider it trolling...fer reels doods? Its not like he came in here flaming how this is stupid and ___(insert other city here)___ is superior as a result.

Bicycles, Its still moving forward for sure. While it sucks it might be taking away from downtown potential, that area of the city needs some development...theres a lot of potential there. It might even support whatever your reasons for not being pro this development are down the line, one day.

I think trueviking mentioned somewhere, this development will be the largest of its kind in western canada. So it is extremely exciting from that point of view.

[bicycles]

i'm not anti-development, I just think it should be done more responsibly. The renders that have been released show tons of above ground parking, where I think it should be 75% underground and 25% above. Instead of having all that surface parking space then, you have eve more room for development. I also think high density residential and funding for transit should be part of the plans. But of course, the people who develop these things don't care aboutt he cities they develop them in. All they want to do is come in and make a lot of not money instead of actually contributing something positive to the community.

Downtown I think should be encouraging local business for the most part anyways. Save the Wal-Marts and the like for outside the core.

[h0twired]

I'm not currently living in Winnipeg, so I haven't been able to stay completely up to date on all the happenings. It's a legitimate question. Obviously, I'm opposed to this development but how does that marginalize my opinion? It's a type of development that I think is wrong for the city and counter-productive to other things they're trying to achieve (good rapid transit, walkable communities, complete communities, etc)

I am sure that if the project was cancelled it would be mentioned in this thread.

RTFT

As for your opinion... start a new thread about how you think Winnipeg (or Edmonton) should be developed in terms of the placement and development of big box stores like IKEA.

[h0twired]

i'm not anti-development, I just think it should be done more responsibly. The renders that have been released show tons of above ground parking, where I think it should be 75% underground and 25% above. Instead of having all that surface parking space then, you have eve more room for development. I also think high density residential and funding for transit should be part of the plans.

How many multi-level underground parkades do you know of in Winnipeg?

[bicycles]

I am sure that if the project was cancelled it would be mentioned in this thread.

RTFT

As for your opinion... start a new thread about how you think Winnipeg (or Edmonton) should be developed in terms of the placement and development of big box stores like IKEA.

I think it was obvious in my post that I didn't actually think the project was cancelled. I'm sure most people picked that up. Why not talk about it in here and what does Edmonton have to do with anything? I don't live there...

[bicycles]

How many multi-level underground parkades do you know of in Winnipeg?

whoa, you are the king of innovation aren't you? well, theres none here right now so why even bother, right? Hell, it doesn't have to be underground, I'd be fine with a few 5-6 storey parkades with ground floor retail in the development.

[vid]

Can you put deep underground parkades in Winnipeg?

[1ajs]

Can you put deep underground parkades in Winnipeg?
yea but its tad exspensive with the water tables at curent market rates

[Bdog]

I don't think that underground parking would be feasible for the Ikea development for a few reasons:
First of all, there is tonnes of cheap land available to them at that location, so why build under it?
Secondly, underground parking is extremely expensive (I'll leave this figure to the architects on the forum, but I think it's around 15k to 20k a spot? or is that only residential), especially for FREE parking.
Third, if the development pressures arise (which eventually they will hopefully), surface parking can easily be developed to a higher use - however, that won't be till way down the road, by the looks of the preliminary plans.

[viperred88]

Even though land in this city is cheap, parking lots is a wasted opportunity for good land development and sustainable development and more land tax opportunities when buildings get developed. I wonder if Ikea include courier service for big ticket items sold it would sure the need for parking.

I do believe for every commercial and office development there should be residential tied to the whole development.

Doing this will better bus service, bring walkability to the community and curb sprawl and cut extra infrastructure cost. Yes I know ikea is an infill project but it should have condo tied to it.

[dennis]

Portage Place Has 2 levels underground. Winnipeg square is underground. (I don't know how many levels.) The Millennium Library is also underground.

[rypinion]

Yes I know ikea is an infill project but it should have condo tied to it.

Ikea is an infill project?

[vid]

In the sense that it is the redevelopment of a brownfield site (it was formerly industrial land). Our entire Intercity shopping area is like this--industrial buildings were torn down to make way for shopping. I refer to it as redevelopment instead of infill.

[cheswick]

This post really shows how ignorant you are. What is wrong with taking transit, riding your bike, being vegan, and growing organic food? It's pathetic that you would mock this lifestyle when it's a progressive and sustainable one that more people should be thinking about adopting.

Have to disagree with your organic food. If the hauber process of feritilzation was never used, 1/3 of the world's population would be without food. Eating organic is something only rich people can do cause you require far more land to grow the same amount of food.

[Donovanf]

hauber process of feritilzation

Do you mean Haber Process? And it is not a process of feritilization, it is a chemical reaction. Try not to sound ignorant.

Why are we talking about this on an Ikea thread?

[Mininari]

Hmm, more related to the IKEA development...

The official document for IKEA suggests that 2 or 3 American retailers, new to the Winnipeg Market, may accompany IKEA on the surounding development, with their stores being similar "regional shopping megastores" akin to an IKEA (i.e. the only one in the province). They go on to suggest in the document that the IKEA development could become a tourist-shopping destination.

Ok fine. We can debate whether any of that will happen or not... I'm just curious about which American retailers may be looking to have a megastore near IKEA. Any rumours or speculation of which ones might join IKEA?

[SKYSTHELIMIT]

Hmm, more related to the IKEA development...

The official document for IKEA suggests that 2 or 3 American retailers, new to the Winnipeg Market, may accompany IKEA on the surounding development, with their stores being similar "regional shopping megastores" akin to an IKEA (i.e. the only one in the province). They go on to suggest in the document that the IKEA development could become a tourist-shopping destination.

Ok fine. We can debate whether any of that will happen or not... I'm just curious about which American retailers may be looking to have a megastore near IKEA. Any rumours or speculation of which ones might join IKEA?

Bass Pro Shops comes to mind they are very large stores and have a market here in Manitoba.