[Paper Boy]

Hi everyone. 3rd Post (have been a silent viewer for years - decided to join because this site has become so popular that most of the time non-users are locked out due to traffic) Great Forum.

I am surprised this has not been posted

Population and growth components July 2006 Stats Can



Metro POP Growth in 12 mo
Toronto 5,406,324 95,551
Montréal 3,666,280 29,506
Vancouver 2,236,068 22,677
Ottawa-Gatineau 1,158,314 7,193
Calgary 1,107,242 39,295
Edmonton 1,050,046 27,109
Québec 723,263 8,464
Hamilton 716,230 2,763
Winnipeg 706,749 2,149
London 465,720 2,059
Kitchener 463,644 5,683
St. Catharines-Niagara 396,754 252
Halifax 382,203 1,620
Oshawa 344,374 5,923
Victoria 334,332 2,158
Windsor 332,066 570
Saskatoon 235,464 662
Regina 198,316 118
St. John's 181,394 175
Sherbrooke 164,685 1,067
Greater Sudbury  161,983 231
Abbotsford 161,911 1,363
Kingston 154,971 -714
Saguenay 152,132 -382
Trois-Rivières 142,614 1,024
Saint John 125,944 -482
Thunder Bay 125,359 -845

[Boris2k7]

On an even more important note, my picture has been avatarized! Pwned! :D

[Paper Boy]

That was yours? Great photo! I knew I found it on here. Has been my desktop for months. Hope you dont mind.

[Doug]

Calgary is second in absolute growth and Edmonton is fourth, not much behind Montreal. Calgary CMA could pass Ottawa by 2008, especially if the CMA boundary is extended south of the city limits (would add ~25K population including ~17K in Okotoks). I'm surprised at the growth rate of Quebec City. How long before Red Deer and Kelowna are added as CMA's and occupy the top of the list?

Percentage growth:
Calgary: 3.55%
Edmonton: 2.58%
Toronto: 1.77%
Oshawa: 1.72%
Kitchener: 1.23%
Québec: 1.17%
Vancouver: 1.01%
Abbotsford: 0.84%
Montréal: 0.8%
Trois-Rivières: 0.72%
Sherbrooke: 0.65%
Victoria: 0.65%
Ottawa-Gatineau: 0.62%
London: 0.44%
Halifax: 0.42%
Hamilton: 0.39%
Winnipeg: 0.3%
Saskatoon: 0.28%
Windsor: 0.17%
Greater Sudbury : 0.14%
St. John's: 0.1%
St. Catharines-Niagara: 0.06%
Regina: 0.06%
Saguenay: -0.25%
Saint John: -0.38%
Kingston: -0.46%
Thunder Bay: -0.67%

[Boris2k7]

LOL, of course I don't mind. The only rule I have with my photos is that nobody tries to make a profit off of them, which is why I don't give construction updates to Emporis for example.

Not that I'm saying you would.

Back on topic: Ottawa, we are gaining on you!!! :banana:

At this rate, it won't be long before Ottawa drops to 5th and then 6th place...

[Odot.]

It's really only a matter of time before Calgary, and Edmonton too for that matter, surpass Ottawa in Population. The growth taking place in Alberta as a result of the Oil boom is just insane. Ottawa's only hope for quick growth anytime in the near future is if we have another tech boom, probably not going to happen anytime soon, or if the government begins hiring un-mass to replace retiring baby boomers, and that will only help with growth if all of the retired folk decide to stay here.

[caltrane74]

Gov'ts are cutting back so your second option is doomed. Especially the federal government.

Calgary is growth is slowing down Toronto's growth. So many people from here are going there its leveling out Toronto's growth. I thought I would never see the day Toronto's CMA change would be less than a 100 K in a year. (gasp..even when you include Oshawa)

Ontario is loosing it's relevance in this country. The fourth Largest city in the country is likely gonna get knocked down to 6th within one year, and our small northern towns are gonna get kicked off the top list completely.


Someone needs to lock the second thread. (then remove)

[waterloowarrior]

If you use the current growth rates... Kitchener has past London as of February 2007 and is now #10! yeah!

[someone123]

Interesting, but probably not that accurate. The estimates provided since 2001 have varied pretty sharply from 1996-2001 growth rates (which were themselves revised) and are not terribly consistent with other statistics such as employment growth.

[caltrane74]

Why Oshawa is not included in Toronto's CMA is beyond ridiculous.

[waterloowarrior]

well, population and dwelling counts for the 2006 census come out March 13 ... can't wait!

[big W]

Yes but again I think we will see a huge undercount for Alberta which means in the fall we will see the numbers for Alberta adjusted upwards. Not to mention it could soon be possible that Edmonton and Calgary are numbers 2 and 3 for overall population growth not just growth rates.

[capitaldensity]

[QUOTE=caltrane74;2602520]
Ontario is loosing it's relevance in this country. The fourth Largest city in the country is likely gonna get knocked down to 6th within one year

It's a huge stretch to say ontario is loosing it's relevance in this country. Just because three cities of roughly the same size are flip-flopping in position doesn't mean much in the bigger scheme of things. Yes, population growth in alberta represents a shift in the makeup of this country but it doesn't do much to take away from the fact that ontario is still home to over a third of canadians, its largest city and corporate centre as well as the centre of political power...regardless of whether it's the 4th, 5th or 6th largest city.

[Rusty van Reddick]

It's a huge stretch to say ontario is loosing it's relevance in this country.

It's less of a stretch to say that it's *LOSING* *ITS* relevance in this country.

Carry on.

[chris]

I am surprised by Quebec City's growth rate...I wonder what makes it grow so much faster than Montreal, Ottawa, or even Vancouver!

[Bassic Lab]

Calgary is second in absolute growth and Edmonton is fourth, not much behind Montreal. Calgary CMA could pass Ottawa by 2008, especially if the CMA boundary is extended south of the city limits (would add ~25K population including ~17K in Okotoks). I'm surprised at the growth rate of Quebec City. How long before Red Deer and Kelowna are added as CMA's and occupy the top of the list?


Isn't the 25 000 figure for the MD of Foothills a number that excludes the towns? Okatoks and High River alone top it pretty easily. I'm pretty sure we'd be looking at a boost of over 50 000 from a southward expansion of the CMA. By the time it actually happens who knows what the numbers will be like though, Okotoks will likely hit their 25 000 planned peak soon, High River will keep growing along with the other towns, and who knows what kind of suburban development along the lines of Heritage Pointe will develop.

[SteelTown]

Ah so Hamilton has finally passed Winnipeg huh, meet your newest 8th populated city in Canada lol

[Brokenhead]

Winnipeg's growth rate better start increasing, or we'll be out of the top ten in the next century.

:( Sad to think Winnipeg at one time was Canada's 3rd biggest city. Also for a while it was the fastest growing city in North America in the early 1900's.

[vid]

Ah, Thunder Bay.

WE'RE NUMBER ONE!! POPULATION LOSS!! WE'RE NUMBER ONE!! W00T!! :banana:

Thunder Bay. Shrinkage by Nature. :)

[big W]

I am surprised by Quebec City's growth rate...I wonder what makes it grow so much faster than Montreal, Ottawa, or even Vancouver!

Not really the economy is pretty good.

[m0nkyman]

Victoria 334,332 2,158

:koko:
That look right to anybody in Victoria?

[caltrane74]

It's less of a stretch to say that it's *LOSING* *ITS* relevance in this country.

Carry on.

It was a typo that went to far. ..but all I can say is it sucks to be an Ontarian right now.

[skyscraper_1]

I am not from Victoria but 334,332 looks normal to me.

[vid]

Yeah, these are metro numbers. I thought Victoria was already at 350,000. :P

[CanuckinTX]

Where did you get those numbers? They are not due to be released until March 13th. Also Kelowna will be included in the CMA's starting this year

[harls]

All these threads do is bring the worst out in everybody.

you'll see.

[caltrane74]

Winnipeg's growth rate better start increasing, or we'll be out of the top ten in the next century.

:( Sad to think Winnipeg at one time was Canada's 3rd biggest city. Also for a while it was the fastest growing city in North America in the early 1900's.



It'll take a long long long time, for Kitchener or London to knock Winnipeg out of the Top 10. And the way Ontario has been growing over the past couple of years, you have nothing to worry about.

[vid]

:previous:

New Population Estimates Metro Areas 2006 July 1

These are the estimates they release every year. The official numbers have yet to come out, as several people have already posted.

[caltrane74]

All these threads do is bring the worst out in everybody.

you'll see.

You're so right.

Seeing the way Alberta is growing is really getting to me :hell:


- My friend is in Alberta right now doing some commercial real estate course. She is like telling me to come out there with her and do it too. - Other shit that comes out of her mouth is crap about her making income in the low 6 figures. And I'm not talking 120k either. We'll see, we'll see.

[stu_pendousmat]

Moncton will also be listed as a CMA on the 2006 census

[CanuckinTX]

:previous:

New Population Estimates Metro Areas 2006 July 1

These are the estimates they release every year. The official numbers have yet to come out, as several people have already posted.


Thanks I will go back to read only mode now!

[flar]

Ontario is still growing quickly overall. Toronto is still growing very quickly. There's nothing to worry about. Only a few places are losing population (my hometown in SW Ontario is almost dead), but that's the way things go. Alberta is probably growing too quickly, they're having problems, but those too will stabilize over time.

[capitaldensity]

my thoughts exactly flar...theres nothin to worry about! :)

[Wooster]

Gov'ts are cutting back so your second option is doomed. Especially the federal government.

Calgary is growth is slowing down Toronto's growth. So many people from here are going there its leveling out Toronto's growth. I thought I would never see the day Toronto's CMA change would be less than a 100 K in a year. (gasp..even when you include Oshawa)

Ontario is loosing it's relevance in this country. The fourth Largest city in the country is likely gonna get knocked down to 6th within one year, and our small northern towns are gonna get kicked off the top list completely.


Someone needs to lock the second thread. (then remove)

It isn't a zero sum game. The overall pie is increasing. Ontario and especially the GTA is HUGE, and continues to draw a lot of people.

For Calgary/ Edmonton is it really that much of a distinction to move into 4th, seriously? We're number 4! We're number 4! Not something to be gloating about really.

Interesting to see Calgary really grow into what is resembling a truly big city now. Fun times to be a part of.

[ssiguy]

Ontario losing its relevancy?????????????

Forgive me but looking at those stats the GTA is growing faster than Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver COMBINED.
Its good to see Sask, Reg, and St.John's still growing, if slowly.

As far as the new StatsCan definition of CMA it will mean that Kelowna, Barrie, Peterborough, Guelph, and Moncton will all be CMAs. Not sure about Brantford.

I'm surprised to see Kingston shrank.

[trueviking]

quebec really grew last year....i wonder why?...leaving winnipeg in its dust....

i would have thought victoria would be growing faster with all the new construction and bustling economy.

[Wooster]

Almost half of Canadians (just under 15 million) live in the 6 biggest cities (all over 1 million). Interesting.

[MonkeyRonin]

Gov'ts are cutting back so your second option is doomed. Especially the federal government.

Calgary is growth is slowing down Toronto's growth. So many people from here are going there its leveling out Toronto's growth. I thought I would never see the day Toronto's CMA change would be less than a 100 K in a year. (gasp..even when you include Oshawa)

Ontario is loosing it's relevance in this country. The fourth Largest city in the country is likely gonna get knocked down to 6th within one year, and our small northern towns are gonna get kicked off the top list completely.


Looks like someone's read a few too many "ALBERTA IS PROMESED LAND ONTARIO IS DIEIENG" articles ;)

(oh, and if it were GTA, the growth would still be over 100,000)

[IntotheWest]

These stats aren't shocking...this has been the growth for a while. Winnipeg is only 20k behind Quebec City, so not sure about "leaving it in the dust"...

And the same can be said for Calgary passing Ottawa's population - it'll take some time before there is any real noticeable population difference...that is, that the average Canadian would even possibly notice.

[Wooster]

These stats aren't shocking...this has been the growth for a while. Winnipeg is only 20k behind Quebec City, so not sure about "leaving it in the dust"...

And the same can be said for Calgary passing Ottawa's population - it'll take some time before there is any real noticeable population difference...that is, that the average Canadian would even possibly notice.

A lot of people have no fucking clue about how big cities are. One of my very intelligent classmates thought Edmonton had 300 000 people. Keep in mind I am in URBAN PLANNING!

This was my reaction to that idiotic belief as conveyed by emotion eric:

"idiot"
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/joshwhit/development/ericpity.jpg

[Taller Better]

I'm confused... I thought Calgary broke thru the million figure this past summer... but according to this it must have happened a couple of years ago!?!?

[The Chemist]

I'm confused... I thought Calgary broke thru the million figure this past summer... but according to this it must have happened a couple of years ago!?!?

These are metro figures. The City of Calgary proper passed 1 million people this past summer, but the metro has been over 1 million for about 2 or 3 years now.

[shreddog]

A lot of people have no fucking clue about how big cities are. One of my very intelligent classmates thought Edmonton had 300 000 people. Keep in mind I am in URBAN PLANNING!

If you remember Josh, I started a thread about a year ago concerning Calgary's growth and its pending move into the number 4 spot. The catalyst for that was the same thing - a number of people from Ontario had recently feigned disbelieve that Calgary was more than 500K or that Alberta had "cities" to speak of.

Funny thing in that thread was the number of people who stated that Cowtown would never surpass Ottawa in population!

[graupner]

These stats aren't shocking...this has been the growth for a while. Winnipeg is only 20k behind Quebec City, so not sure about "leaving it in the dust"...


Well Winnipeg grew of about 2100 people when Quebec grew of about 8,400 people, with similar population... ;)
Quebec is under going a small baby boom, and it's planned to keep growing steadily over the next years.

Meanwhile, Montreal is still far behind and nothing good coming up in the next years. People are still moving out of the city, and pretty much only international immigration keeps the city (slowly) growing.

[caltrane74]

Ontario losing its relevancy?????????????

Forgive me but looking at those stats the GTA is growing faster than Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver COMBINED.


Yeah, but thats just because immigrants come here because the support is here for them. - I think in the future you will see corporations from economic and trading nations setting up shop in Alberta, in a major way, so that it not only becomes a world resource centre, but a 'money centre" as well. If not already.

Toronto has 3 office towers under construction right now..which combined dont even equal the sq footage of Calgary's largest proposed. Once these 3 towers are completed, there will likely be no more office construction in downtown Toronto for years to come.

We had to wait 16 god damn years just to get these 3 ( not including Simcoe Place, Martime Life, and Canada Life towers)

[Greco Roman]

All these threads do is bring the worst out in everybody.

you'll see.


Agreed. It will just turn into one big dick measuring contest; again. :rolleyes:

[Kevin_foster]

Ontario losing its relevancy?????????????

Forgive me but looking at those stats the GTA is growing faster than Calgary, Edmonton, and Vancouver COMBINED.
Its good to see Sask, Reg, and St.John's still growing, if slowly.

As far as the new StatsCan definition of CMA it will mean that Kelowna, Barrie, Peterborough, Guelph, and Moncton will all be CMAs. Not sure about Brantford.

I'm surprised to see Kingston shrank.

No, it's not growing faster... It grew by 1.76% where EDM, CAL grew over double that.

GTA has such a massive population... so alot of people moved there.

We should be proud of our western cities doing so well! We need Canada to have two strong sides - not one, like... oh, Russia, for example. :P

[Taller Better]

Yeah, but thats just because immigrants come here because the support is here for them. - I think in the future you will see corporations from economic and trading nations setting up shop in Alberta, in a major way, so that it not only becomes a world resource centre, but a 'money centre" as well. If not already.

Toronto has 3 office towers under construction right now..which combined dont even equal the sq footage of Calgary's largest proposed. Once these 3 towers are completed, there will likely be no more office construction in downtown Toronto for years to come.

We had to wait 16 god damn years just to get these 3 ( not including Simcoe Place, Martime Life, and Canada Life towers)


Forgive me for saying so, but I think you allow the current boom in Alberta to make you grossly underestimate the growth of Ontario. Taken as a short-term snapshot the rate is not as high as Alberta, but does that mean anything? Ontario is more than holding its own. Inter-provincial migration ebbs and flows, and that trend reverses now and then, but the same is not true for foreign immigration- it is more of a constant.
Once Calgary's spate of towers is completed, don't count on a steady stream of new ones going up, either, particularily if oil prices continue to fall. Office construction goes in waves in this country, as investors are so ultra cautious that they wait til occupancy levels are waay too low before they panic and start building.

[caltrane74]

I hope your right Taller, I dont wanna have to move to Alberta. ( I'm in my prime money making years....and money talks)

[Kevin_foster]

Here is something relevant to all of us:

Canada:
Population estimate
(October 2006) 32,730,213
-----

We'll be hitting 33,000,000 in a matter of no time! We realistically could surpass the state of California!!! (33,871,000)!

[caltrane74]

I always thought California had 40 million people. Or damn near close to that.

But anyhoots...this is all good. Canada needs more people. We need to fill in the gaps for sure.

[flar]

Economics be damned, I don't really want more people in Canada. I kind of like the empty spaces. I recall Canada's pop was around 21 milllion for quite a while.

[waterloowarrior]

California's 2006 jan 1 estimate was 37,172,015 .. the 33 million # is from the 2000 US Census

[Taller Better]

I hope your right Taller, I dont wanna have to move to Alberta. ( I'm in my prime money making years....and money talks)


Plus you would lose all those honeys who keep chasing you! LOL! Most economic predictions I have seen put Ontario at the head of the pack within a year or two, so I wouldn't lose sleep. 'Tis the nature of Canada to ebb and flow, regionally, and for the time being it is exciting watching Alberta and especially Calgary blossom. It is good for the country to have powerful parts.

[Reesonov]

No, it's not growing faster... It grew by 1.76% where EDM, CAL grew over double that.

GTA has such a massive population... so alot of people moved there.

We should be proud of our western cities doing so well! We need Canada to have two strong sides - not one, like... oh, Russia, for example. :P

Is this supposed to be some kind of slag against Petropavlovsk-Kamchatskly or something?

[The Chemist]

I hope your right Taller, I dont wanna have to move to Alberta. ( I'm in my prime money making years....and money talks)

You make it sound like living in Alberta is some sort of purgatory.

[Taller Better]

You make it sound like living in Alberta is some sort of purgatory.

LOL! No, but it is hard to just up stakes and move across the country. Lots of people do it when the economy fluctuates, but it is hard.

[MolsonExport]

Here is something relevant to all of us:

Canada:
Population estimate
(October 2006) 32,730,213
-----

We'll be hitting 33,000,000 in a matter of no time! We realistically could surpass the state of California!!! (33,871,000)!

Not unless you happen to compare apples (2006 Canada numbers) to oranges (2000 California numbers):

California and USA
Population, 2005 estimate 36,132,147 296,410,404
Population, percent change, April 1, 2000 to July 1, 2005 6.7% 5.3%
Population, 2000 33,871,648 281,421,906

for projecting future populations based on static growth rates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exponential_growth

[Kevin_foster]

^ ok fine then. I was just going of data provided by the main page for California.

[caltrane74]

How do all those people fit in such a puny state? - Seems to me they need more room.

Southern Ontario is about the same size as California and we have only a third of the population. And it feels extremely over populated here.

[Taller Better]

^^ How do they fit 60 million in the UK? Tight squeeze!

[caltrane74]

Good Point, Good Point.

[BlackRedGold]

Yeah, but thats just because immigrants come here because the support is here for them. - I think in the future you will see corporations from economic and trading nations setting up shop in Alberta, in a major way, so that it not only becomes a world resource centre, but a 'money centre" as well. If not already.

Can Alberta sustain a consistantly high rate of growth?

If I'm not mistaken, in Calgary the supply of housing isn't growing fast enough to keep up with the demand. Fort MacMurray can't find enough people to work McJobs since you can't afford to live there on a McJob salary.

At some point if things continue as is, people will look to Toronto as an affordable alternative to Calgary!

Toronto has 3 office towers under construction right now..which combined dont even equal the sq footage of Calgary's largest proposed. Once these 3 towers are completed, there will likely be no more office construction in downtown Toronto for years to come.

The GTA has a ton of office space in its sprawling suburbs which cools the price of downtown space. Calgary sees almost all of its office space consolidated downtown leading to higher prices and demand.

[Kevin_foster]

You'd be surprised. Even the UK has lots of open, barren, unoccupied areas.

There are also approx 320,000 hobbits that are not counted in the official census polls. Reporters state when doors are knocked on the common reply is "go away, I dont need anymore adventures".

edit: ok A little Starbucks can really really make a difference in ones day...

[caltrane74]

I thought a McSalary was around 120k. - Should be able to live just about anywhere on that kind of cash.

And yes, poor Toronto all our office construction right now seems to be happening on the 404 corridor in Markham. Which sucks because its not "downtown" - but...it is cheap.

Our suburbs have become very sucessful at luring top notch companies to their environs.

I cant wait for Calgary's suburbs to be as good as our little bloodsuckers in snatching business development from the core, like Mississauga, Markham and now even Vaughan getting into the act.

[Kevin_foster]

I thought a McSalary was around 120k. - Should be able to live just about anywhere on that kind of cash.

And yes, poor Toronto all our office construction right now seems to be happening on the 404 corridor in Markham. Which sucks because its not "downtown" - but...it is cheap.

Our suburbs have become very sucessful at luring top notch companies to their environs.

I cant wait for Calgary's suburbs to be as good as our little bloodsuckers in snatching business development from the core, like Mississauga, Markham and now even Vaughan getting into the act.

This isn't happening just in TO. I think all across Canada Suburbs are sucking the blood out of our city cores. :(

I feel comforted in knowing it's happening in TO though :) - I thought it was just Oilberta specific.

[IntotheWest]

If you remember Josh, I started a thread about a year ago concerning Calgary's growth and its pending move into the number 4 spot. The catalyst for that was the same thing - a number of people from Ontario had recently feigned disbelieve that Calgary was more than 500K or that Alberta had "cities" to speak of.


On my project a couple years ago in Winnipeg, I worked with a very intelligent colleague born/raised in Toronto - and who had recently flown to Calgary to go skiing in Banff. Not sure how the topic of population came up, but I mentioned 1 million, and his reaction was "wow, I didn't think it was that big?". I asked him how big he thought Calgary was, and his response was "oh...200-250,000 - maybe?".

Graupner, my point about QC and Wpg was that most wouldn't notice the 20k difference in cities of over 700k. Glad to see they are both growing though.

[The Chemist]

I thought a McSalary was around 120k. - Should be able to live just about anywhere on that kind of cash.

And yes, poor Toronto all our office construction right now seems to be happening on the 404 corridor in Markham. Which sucks because its not "downtown" - but...it is cheap.

Our suburbs have become very sucessful at luring top notch companies to their environs.

I cant wait for Calgary's suburbs to be as good as our little bloodsuckers in snatching business development from the core, like Mississauga, Markham and now even Vaughan getting into the act.

None of Calgary's suburbs are anywhere near large enough to have a chance of landing a big corporate fish from the City of Calgary. I mean, what big company would want to move from downtown Calgary to downtown Airdrie, population 25000? Sure, it costs more to do business in the City of Calgary in terms of rent, but the positives of being based in Calgary as opposed to Airdrie, Cochrane, Strathmore, or Okotoks far outweigh the negatives, IMO.

[Rusty van Reddick]

None of Calgary's suburbs are anywhere near large enough to have a chance of landing a big corporate fish from the City of Calgary. I mean, what big company would want to move from downtown Calgary to downtown Airdrie, population 25000? Sure, it costs more to do business in the City of Calgary in terms of rent, but the positives of being based in Calgary as opposed to Airdrie, Cochrane, Strathmore, or Okotoks far outweigh the negatives, IMO.

And for everyone's information, Airdrie (population actually 29,035) is the largest of Calgary's "suburbs." None have much gravity, so to speak.

[big W]

None of Calgary's suburbs are anywhere near large enough to have a chance of landing a big corporate fish from the City of Calgary. I mean, what big company would want to move from downtown Calgary to downtown Airdrie, population 25000? Sure, it costs more to do business in the City of Calgary in terms of rent, but the positives of being based in Calgary as opposed to Airdrie, Cochrane, Strathmore, or Okotoks far outweigh the negatives, IMO.


Exactly unlike the other 5 metros over a million Calgary has no burbs that are of any significant size. Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver have burbs. Ottawa has Gatineau for example and Edmonton has Sherwood Park (85K) so these would have an impact in the region. All of Calgary's burbs combined are less than 100K.

[MonkeyRonin]

A lot of people have no fucking clue about how big cities are. One of my very intelligent classmates thought Edmonton had 300 000 people. Keep in mind I am in URBAN PLANNING!

Hehe.. reminds me of my travel & tourism teacher, supposedly an expert on the subject of geography who "thought" Toronto has more the 1 million people.


Southern Ontario is about the same size as California and we have only a third of the population. And it feels extremely over populated here.


Southern Ontario has roughly 100,000 km² (with 12 million people), while California has 410,000 km² (population 37 million).

[habsfan]

Meanwhile, Montreal is still far behind and nothing good coming up in the next years. People are still moving out of the city, and pretty much only international immigration keeps the city (slowly) growing.


True people are moving out of the island, but the vast majority of them are moving to the burbs(young families). and these Suburbs are all counted in Metro Montreal.

I have to admit that 29,500 is somewhat low considering we had over 82,000 birth last year. I guess we'll really find out in March.

By the way, for those of you in Toronto who are worried about your ctiy's growth rate...you are wprrying for nothing. Toronto's growth is high, it's stable and consistent!

[habsfan]

Meanwhile, Montreal is still far behind and nothing good coming up in the next years. People are still moving out of the city, and pretty much only international immigration keeps the city (slowly) growing.


True people are moving out of the island, but the vast majority of them are moving to the burbs(young families). and these Suburbs are all counted in Metro Montreal.

I have to admit that 29,500 is somewhat low considering we had over 82,000 birth last year. I guess we'll really find out in March.

By the way, for those of you in Toronto who are worried about your ctiy's growth rate...you are wprrying for nothing. Toronto's growth is high, it's stable and consistent!

[caltrane74]

Southern Ontario has roughly 100,000 km² (with 12 million people), while California has 410,000 km² (population 37 million).

Ok, it was a rough guess. But I got the population numbers almost perfect. Which means that Southern Ontario has the same population density as California.

But......


Ontario could swallow California like 2 times.
917,741km

[Doug]

None of Calgary's suburbs are anywhere near large enough to have a chance of landing a big corporate fish from the City of Calgary. I mean, what big company would want to move from downtown Calgary to downtown Airdrie, population 25000? Sure, it costs more to do business in the City of Calgary in terms of rent, but the positives of being based in Calgary as opposed to Airdrie, Cochrane, Strathmore, or Okotoks far outweigh the negatives, IMO.


Plus Calgary would annex any surrounding municipality that posed a threat to its tax base. All of the surrounding communities except for Okotoks rely on Calgary for water, some also depend on Calgary for sewage treatment. With no new water licenses being granted in Southern Alberta and Calgary having the only significant unallocated water under its exisiting license, the City could easily bring development to a halt. In effect, this is what has happened with the Crossiron Mills retail project north of Calgary. The controversy over the mall's application to withdraw water from the Red Deer river has overshadowed the fact that it could readily connect to the existing waterline between Calgary and Airdrie, but the City will not cooperate as it would represent significant commercial development outside city limits. The other points to keep in mind are that Calgary actually has lower residential property taxes than any of the surrounding municipalities due to its enormousecommercial tax base, and few political barriers would stand in the way of annexations. Unlike the Edmonton region where the PC suburbs resist annexation by the Liberal/NDP city, voting patterns in the Calgary region and throughout Southern Alberta for that matter are uniform. The Provincial government would not face loss of support in proceeding with annexations.

[ExcaliburKid]

On my project a couple years ago in Winnipeg, I worked with a very intelligent colleague born/raised in Toronto - and who had recently flown to Calgary to go skiing in Banff. Not sure how the topic of population came up, but I mentioned 1 million, and his reaction was "wow, I didn't think it was that big?". I asked him how big he thought Calgary was, and his response was "oh...200-250,000 - maybe?".

Are Canadians really this ignorant and blind to not notice that Edmonton and Calgary are large freakin' cities? I can see with Edmonton because I dont think anyone east of Winnipeg has ever heard of such a mythical city :D , but come on, get educated people. :koko:

Fort MacMurray can't find enough people to work McJobs since you can't afford to live there on a McJob salary.

Why else would the oil giants be building their new upgraders near Edmonton? Because workers want to be closer to a larger center. Its no wonder Metro Edmonton is projected to increase 85,000 people by 2010

[jeremy_haak]

Most of these people have no idea of population in general. It's no affront to Alberta. I know people who thought the GTA's population was 2 million. If you don't really pay attention to these things, city population is a relatively abstract thing.

[Calalb]

With Quebec City and area growing at a pretty good pace I would think it could be a great place to have a CFL franchise. It is now more populated than Hamilton and Winnipeg. I realize they need a stadium. Has there been any talk about CFL in QC?

[Wishblade]

With Quebec City and area growing at a pretty good pace I would think it could be a great place to have a CFL franchise. It is now more populated than Hamilton and Winnipeg. I realize they need a stadium. Has there been any talk about CFL in QC?

There has, the two top places in expansion talks are Quebec City and Halifax.

[LordMandeep]

there are over two million in the two suburbs of York region and peel region alone, lol.

It makes perfect sense. 25-30k growth in the city itself 70-75k growth in the burbs. Plus GTA has been growing at a constant 100k since 2000 i think, but in 2002 it grew by 136k i think. That was the high point.

[Calalb]

There has, the two top places in expansion talks are Quebec City and Halifax.

I would like to see both areas join the league. IMO the CFL has needed expansion for quite some time!:yes:

[CCF]

The loss of the franchise in Ottawa really put a damper on expansion up to this point. Things seem to be going as planned, but having to deal with Ottawa has been troubling to the CFL.

I would say that this will be Ottawa's final chance. Hopefully it works out. AFter that, would be nice to see a team in Halifax and maybe QC one day too.

[vid]

Yeah, it is kinda pitiful to have six teams...

Half of which are called the 'Roughriders'...

[harls]

The loss of the franchise in Ottawa really put a damper on expansion up to this point. Things seem to be going as planned, but having to deal with Ottawa has been troubling to the CFL.

I would say that this will be Ottawa's final chance. Hopefully it works out. AFter that, would be nice to see a team in Halifax and maybe QC one day too.

I don't know what's up with the ownership here.. Ottawa just needs some solid financial backing and someone that's not willing to jerk them around like the last douchebag we had. there's no reason why a CFL team couldn't be successful here. Hopefully something will materialize this summer.

[Brokenhead]

Here is something relevant to all of us:

Canada:
Population estimate
(October 2006) 32,730,213
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We'll be hitting 33,000,000 in a matter of no time! We realistically could surpass the state of California!!! (33,871,000)!


Canada's population should surpass the 33 million mark on August 24-25, 2007.:D

Population Cloack at Statcan: http://www.statcan.ca/english/edu/clock/population.htm

[Greco Roman]

Once you get the right economic conditions to occur, I think cities like Winnipeg will increase it's population growth substantially; it's just a matter of when.

[CCF]

I don't know what's up with the ownership here.. Ottawa just needs some solid financial backing and someone that's not willing to jerk them around like the last douchebag we had. there's no reason why a CFL team couldn't be successful here. Hopefully something will materialize this summer.

Agreed.

The CFL stupidly took a gamble with the last owners, and it certainly didn't pay off. I'm sure we'll see them back next season.

In the meantime, what is the Frank Claire stadium used for?

[MolsonExport]

I am very surprised, and impressed with QC's growth rate. Is Quebec city starting to attract immigrants, or is the growth mostly made up of intra-provincial migration?

[harls]

Agreed.

The CFL stupidly took a gamble with the last owners, and it certainly didn't pay off. I'm sure we'll see them back next season.

In the meantime, what is the Frank Claire stadium used for?

Not much. College and University games from time to time.

[habsfan]

I am very surprised, and impressed with QC's growth rate. Is Quebec city starting to attract immigrants, or is the growth mostly made up of intra-provincial migration?

My guess is that it's intra-provincial. Where do you think all the people from Saguenay are going?;)

[habsfan]

With Quebec City and area growing at a pretty good pace I would think it could be a great place to have a CFL franchise. It is now more populated than Hamilton and Winnipeg. I realize they need a stadium. Has there been any talk about CFL in QC?


I think there's more talk about having a CFL franchise for Q.C. in Montreal than in Q.C.!?:)

[big W]

I am not sure why some of the guys in Toronto were talking like the sky is falling. They do realize that as a CMA it had the third highest % population growth after the 2 Alberta CMA's and the largest total population growth. Its not like Montreal where the growth rate is minimal or Thunder Bay where they are losing people.

[big W]

I think there's more talk about having a CFL franchise for Q.C. in Montreal than in Q.C.!?:)

So similar to more talk of QC getting an NHL team in other Canadian Cities vs QC. QC get your act together and start a campeign like Winnipeg has and hopefully you can both get teams back (not hopeful it will happen though).

[habsfan]

So similar to more talk of QC getting an NHL team in other Canadian Cities vs QC. QC get your act together and start a campeign like Winnipeg has and hopefully you can both get teams back (not hopeful it will happen though).

not until they get rid of that dumb biatch of a mayor! She doesn't want to spend any money for professional sports!

[big W]

The Jets and Nords had some of the best Uni's going. Granted I enjoyed it when the Oil beat them. But on an economic persepctive I am not so sure either would be the top spot for expansion or relocation as Houston keeps coming up when I think it rationally. Heart says Peg, QC and Hartford but brain says otherwise. I just think back to last 2 playoff runs. Look at the reactions in the streets of Edmonton and Calgary vs Raleigh and Tampa. I know the Peg and QC would be more like the Alberta cities and that creates awesome atmoshpere. Enough on sidetracking this onto hockey.

Its intresting to look at the growth in Ontario as a whole vs the GTA. I think the province added less people than the GTA, which means there is a hallowing out of Ontario outside of the Toronto Area (Toronto, Oshawa, Waterloo).

[habsfan]

But on an economic persepctive I am not so sure either would be the top spot for expansion or relocation as Houston keeps coming up when I think it rationally. Heart says Peg, QC and Hartford but brain says otherwise.

Definately agree with you there!

[flar]

Its intresting to look at the growth in Ontario as a whole vs the GTA. I think the province added less people than the GTA, which means there is a hallowing out of Ontario outside of the Toronto Area (Toronto, Oshawa, Waterloo).

In Ontario there's decent growth in regional cities like London and Windsor too. The struggle is in small cities and towns and rural areas in counties like Kent and Lambton, and up north. All the young people are drawn away to the opportunities of the cities, but it's not just Toronto.

[caltrane74]

I am not sure why some of the guys in Toronto were talking like the sky is falling. They do realize that as a CMA it had the third highest % population growth after the 2 Alberta CMA's and the largest total population growth. Its not like Montreal where the growth rate is minimal or Thunder Bay where they are losing people.


It's ingrained from youth, Toronto should have the biggest, fastest and the best. And it's just not working out that way anymore.

Deep down I'm thinking something must be wrong here. It may be affecting my psyche. :eeekk:

[SteelTown]

If you noticed Kitchener is catching up to London. Seems like Kitchener will surpass London real soon.

I remember reading an article saying that London will slow down and fall behind the list well others will grow like Windsor, Hamilton and Niagara region.

It seems like the government's effort to push new immigrants to other parts of Ontario is working. Toronto is slowing down well others in Ontario is growing faster than before.

[big W]

It seems like the government's effort to push new immigrants to other parts of Ontario is working. Toronto is slowing down well others in Ontario is growing faster than before.


Or it could be these new immigrants move when they get to Canada. I know for instance here in Edmonton there has been a huge growth in the Somali community. I believe it is now something like 8K from basically nothing 5 years ago. Most came to Alberta via Toronto and as the community grows, they tend to pull memebers of their family or friends with them so the cycle continues. In other words the communities in other parts of Canada are reaching a critical mass so that they are willing and do go somewhere else and it is not as much of a shock.

I think it will be intresting to see the new census numbers to see the % foreign born and visible minorities in other centres in Canada in 2006 vs 2001.