[Bogue]

It's good for Mobile in that they seemed interested in using the port. Not sure how they'd do that and to what extent, but anything that drives up the port usage is good for the city.

I'm hoping for more diversified industries. It's great to have all the auto companies, but we do need to make sure we don't set ourselves up as another Michigan.

[MobiMan]

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[alexjon]

I could say a lot about my feelings on Boeing, but I'll just condense it and move on.

My opinion of Boeing and its supporters could not be more negative.

No one w/ half a brain is worried Boeing will pull out of Huntsville. To do so would effectively remove them from the space business and give their opponents a very profitable new revenue stream. It's such a lame, toothless threat that it's funny to watch Boeing's pathetic little supporters try to use it. I mean..... really?

I could say a LOT more about Boeing and the ignorance and racism displayed by its supporters in Seattle, but this will be it for now.

Ignorance? You mean numerical statistics? Or are you speaking about others you've been speaking to? Don't know where racism came from so I'm guessing it's others.

But really-- arguing this here is pointless. Seattle and Mobile sit at different levels on the world stage, so it isn't fair to play bully and say things like "Seattle's GDP is almost 6 times that of Mobile's! Seattle's per capita income is thousands more! Mobile has twice as many people in poverty!" and while I was arguing a point at the time I felt was relevant, I'm seeing now that it really hurt a lot of you and I'm sorry.

But don't call me pathetic, little or racist.

[MobiMan]

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[bayou15]

Hey , u need to run to the starbucks before they all geaux out of business!

[CottonCity251]

It's good for Mobile in that they seemed interested in using the port. Not sure how they'd do that and to what extent, but anything that drives up the port usage is good for the city.

I'm hoping for more diversified industries. It's great to have all the auto companies, but we do need to make sure we don't set ourselves up as another Michigan.

Mostly all the auto plants in Michigan are in the Detroit Metro accounting for tens of thousand jobs, which the rest of the state lacks, hence, it has the highest unemployment rate in the nation. Detroit is doing pretty good except for wrestling with crime. In Alabama, the auto plants are spread out helping all corners of the state. I would really like for the state to recruit more jobs to the Black Belt area of Alabama where they are truly struggling. Poverty is pitiful, people hungry, and the unemployment is amongst the highest in the state.

It would be nice to have a zoo, aquarium, a dinosaur museum, or even a Chinatown all downtown...Okay maybe the last is a little far-fetched like Birmingham having the 2020 Olympics but land is too limited. All of it really can fit in the land where Orange Grove once stood. Mobile Housing Board really needs to reconsider dealing with the property, the possibilities could be endless. Three Mile Creek runs thru the back of the property and could be incorparated in some kind of master plan. Maybe one of us should write the editor of the Press-Register to be put in Sunday's paper?? Wonder if the group working on the new Master Plan for Old Mobile considering this site...it is in the plan area.

[alexjon]

Hey , u need to run to the starbucks before they all geaux out of business!

Funnily enough, Starbuck's revenue is 9/10ths the GDP of Mobile...

ETA: That previous post about being nicer really got derailed with this!

[elb401]

Anyways.........i never really liked starbucks. I prefer the local coffee houses over the commercial brand of starbucks. Starbucks lost its luster ever since it put a store on ever corner.

About that orange grove land....i think something like Savanah river landing would be pretty cool there. Ya'll look up that project. Its in Savanah and I would like to see something like that here.

[Port_of_Bama]

Does this guy not have a life ? why are you no our thread your own city didn`t realy want to respond to your thread you made on the Seattle forum.


Yeah seattle is larger than Mobile and seattle isn`t capatialized for a reason, and you never here people talk about that city it`s a mystery i`m shure more people know more about little economicaly depressed Mobile than seattle. This little so called economicaly depressed city is giving seattle a hard time.Alex I don`t like you and your scum to me point blank I love Mobile the Port City you can say what you want abount my city. Mobile is the city of perpetual potential not whining. That is exactly what big seattle is doing whining and your not playing bully with anybody, you racist and pathetic !!! no one hasn`t refred you to that you said that your self and you are pathetic so come back in December !

[Port_of_Bama]

in the last post i meant to put raise the money where raise the movie is, sorry... maybe we could all meet at Serdas Coffee they have a private room in the back that they lease for $25 an hour and we can discuss all our ideas
and concerns and apoint a leader someone to do the public speaking ... start our own Mobilians for a better Mobile Committee, Ofcourse that means we would have to apoint a Treasurer , an events and fundrasing Organizer and whatever else a Committee like ours would consist of...We could walk the DT area and share our visions


everyone put in your input and lets not just talk about about change lets make change ...



Now back to Mobile !! I would like to welcome you Mobiman and we do need to present the ideas mentioned on this thread to the city. I can see a larger cruise ship by October Mobile has been sailing out 110 -120 % full. When is the next meeting ant one knows?

[Port_of_Bama]

It's good for Mobile in that they seemed interested in using the port. Not sure how they'd do that and to what extent, but anything that drives up the port usage is good for the city.

I'm hoping for more diversified industries. It's great to have all the auto companies, but we do need to make sure we don't set ourselves up as another Michigan.

Welcome to the thread , and I aghree with you we don`t want to be like Michigan and Alabama is 5th in autmotive manufacturing last I heared.

[alexjon]

Does this guy not have a life ? why are you no our thread your own city didn`t realy want to respond to your thread you made on the Seattle forum.


Yeah seattle is larger than Mobile and seattle isn`t capatialized for a reason, and you never here people talk about that city it`s a mystery i`m shure more people know more about little economicaly depressed Mobile than seattle. This little so called economicaly depressed city is giving seattle a hard time.Alex I don`t like you and your scum to me point blank I love Mobile the Port City you can say what you want abount my city. Mobile is the city of perpetual potential not whining. That is exactly what big seattle is doing whining and your not playing bully with anybody, you racist and pathetic !!! no one hasn`t refred you to that you said that your self and you are pathetic so come back in December !

Personal attacks are different from city rivalries, obviously. I was questioning the previous poster on what sort of racist attacks were being made and whether they were by me. You, however, directly are saying so. Interesting!

So I'll channel your negative energy into facts.

1) Mobile, AL median household income is $9,000 less than the median household income for the entire United States.
2) Mobile, AL's GDP is 10 Billion while Seattle's is 186 Billion
3) Mobile, AL's per capita income is 21,000$ and Seattle's is 30,000$
4) Seattle gave the world Starbucks, Grunge, Boeing, UPS and is home to Microsoft.
5) Entering "Mobile" into Wikipedia gives a disambiguation page. Entering "Seattle" into Wikipedia gives you Seattle, WA
6) Seattle has been ranked the most intelligent city in the country versus Mobile which has been ranked, what...?

You can get as worked up as you want, that's fine :)

HOWEVER, that does not mean I hate Mobile or that I'm going to be mad that they lose the contract. I'd be willing to make a bet on it like wearing some ridiculous jersey or something.

The fundamental thing here is that I don't live there and you guys don't live here so it's inane to take something like this and turn it into a screaming match of "ur pathetic nobod-e raeds ur posts on ur own forum lulllllllllzzzzz XD"

It'd be completely different if I started a thread that was "MOBILE v. SEATTLE, BATTLE ROYALE! TANKER FIGHT!" though...

[Port_of_Bama]

Personal attacks are different from city rivalries, obviously. I was questioning the previous poster on what sort of racist attacks were being made and whether they were by me. You, however, directly are saying so. Interesting!

So I'll channel your negative energy into facts.

1) Mobile, AL median household income is $9,000 less than the median household income for the entire United States.
2) Mobile, AL's GDP is 10 Billion while Seattle's is 186 Billion
3) Mobile, AL's per capita income is 21,000$ and Seattle's is 30,000$
4) Seattle gave the world Starbucks, Grunge, Boeing, UPS and is home to Microsoft.
5) Entering "Mobile" into Wikipedia gives a disambiguation page. Entering "Seattle" into Wikipedia gives you Seattle, WA
6) Seattle has been ranked the most intelligent city in the country versus Mobile which has been ranked, what...?

You can get as worked as you want, that's fine :)


lol first off I knew you would respond quickly

Where are you getting your facts Mobile`s median income 9,000 $ ? lol this would be the most dangerous city in th nation my friend.If you realy looked Mobile up on Wikeipedia you would see that Mobile has a lot more charecter than seattle when I read about seattle it was boring my friend. I don`t like you but I respect you(consistincy). Here is the direct link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile,_Alabama. I`ll be graduating from college this year thank God and will make Money in little econimicaly depressed Mobile and big money seattle ha ha. That 9,000 $ now that was funny. seattle has a better skyline than Mobile man thats all seattle never comes to mind when I think of the U.S large cities point blank .

[alexjon]

lol first off I knew you would respond quickly

Where are you getting your facts Mobile`s median income 9,000 $ ? lol this would be the most dangerous city in th nation my friend.If you realy looked Mobile up on Wikeipedia you would see that Mobile has a lot more charecter than seattle when I read about seattle it was boring my friend. I don`t like you but I respect you(consistincy). Here is the direct link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile,_Alabama. I`ll be graduating from college this year thank God and will make Money in little econimicaly depressed Mobile and big money seattle ha ha. That 9,000 $ now that was funny. seattle has a better skyline than Mobile man thats all seattle never comes to mind when I think of the U.S large cities point blank .

9,000$ less than the national median is what I said, not that it WAS 9,000$. By national standards that is ED when you don't consider the growth factor. It doesn't take into account cost of living either, which I'll fully admit I did not delve into.

I've read the Mobile wiki page-- I had to actually enter the whole name and state! I haven't lived in a city where that has happened yet. They're two different cities, though, so coming around to say "NYAH, UR PATHETIK" is pointless.

These are mere rivalry posts and drudging up person vs. person comments as though it was a city vs. city thread is getting things nowhere.

[sandebr00]

I have attempted to ignore the mudslinging (mostly unnecessary) on this thread, but it is becoming increasingly difficult, in light of the overwhelming negative posts about Mobile or Seattle. Can we all agree to just leave it at this:

Both Seattle and Mobile are great in their own right, each plays an integral role in the American economy, and, arguably most importantly, both are AMERICAN cities. Seattle is an established, metropolitan city where many people live and where countless large and small businesses are based. I've also heard that it is a great city to visit, although I've never personally been there.

Similarly, Mobile is an established city, with a rich history and where many midsized and small businesses are located (although we don't have businesses the size of Microsoft, our businesses employ American workers all the same, and contribute to the American economy as well). Its port also plays a fundamental role in America's economy. I can also assure you that Mobile is a great place to visit.

In sum, both cities have positive and negative points, but both have bright futures. In that respect, I hope we can get back to celebrating economic development in Mobile, which is the purpose of this thread. If visitors from Seattle want to learn what is happening in Mobile, and want to make constructive comments, then you are welcome to do so, at least in my opinion. Otherwise, let's quit the mudslinging!

[SouthSky]

Let's not move this thread into SSC's realm.

[BlessedMobile]

There isn't a winner to mudslinging as both sides get dirty. Keep your conversations among FRIENDS and you won't get personal with others over matters than have NOTHING to do with advancing the Mobile area. If you must be a voyeur in a thread unrelated to you then just read and enjoy another group's thoughts but don't engage them in an argument. Would you let a nerdy stranger get into your conversation with friends at a party? probably not. You would ignore them.

[Musicisright]

I get embarrassed by people who spew out hateful posts that are full of misspelled words and bad grammar, and they say that they're just defending their city. I care about what people from other cities think of Mobile, and I feel like they probably get the wrong idea about us when they read crap like that.

[sandebr00]

With respect to movie showings in downtown Mobile, I thought that the Downtown Mobile Alliance might be interested in helping us financially, since they have an incentive to bring more people to downtown, so I sent them an email yesterday containing the cost information for the screen, the projector, and speakers (thanks to Mobiman). I also explained who we were, what we are trying to accomplish, and why we believe that movie showings in Cathedral Park would benefit downtown Mobile. I'll try to continue to follow up on this, and will update everyone if I get any good news. Even if the Alliance is unable or unwilling to assist us financially, hopefully they can give us some advice on the best way to raise the funds, and who may be interested in helping us.

If anyone else has any other suggestions on how we could raise money, your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!

[MobiMan]

Hey everybody as far as business goes what would you want to see DT ...I know we need a Grocery store, one would go great where the Solenski Bros were at before they moved around the corner, their old location is across from SubWay, Grocery Store/Deli/Meat market, they could take out the tall windows and replace them with old french style doors and put tables and chairs on the side walk, make it kinda like the Fresh Market, nice pleasant atmosphere with added side walk dining, they could sell fresh fruits vegetables and fresh cut Flowers ofcourse bread, milk, eggs and the usual, it needs to be upscale and sell high quailty goods that most stores dont sell even fresh baked bread... the building needs a facelift but would be nice corner store, its small but it would be ok for a neighborhood market...

I am actually in the process of starting a business DT... Im sure most if not all of you would love this idea, i almost have all the funds i need, then i have to go before the city council im sure, and im sure they will welcome it unanimously, it will be a great addition to DT, I cant say what it is just yet

Just be looking for it in the next 4 to 6 months

[pboo74]

With respect to movie showings in downtown Mobile, I thought that the Downtown Mobile Alliance might be interested in helping us financially, since they have an incentive to bring more people to downtown, so I sent them an email yesterday containing the cost information for the screen, the projector, and speakers (thanks to Mobiman). I also explained who we were, what we are trying to accomplish, and why we believe that movie showings in Cathedral Park would benefit downtown Mobile. I'll try to continue to follow up on this, and will update everyone if I get any good news. Even if the Alliance is unable or unwilling to assist us financially, hopefully they can give us some advice on the best way to raise the funds, and who may be interested in helping us.

If anyone else has any other suggestions on how we could raise money, your thoughts would be greatly appreciated!It's funny you said that because i emailed Carol Hunter of Mobile Alliance a couple days ago about some ideas about downtown.I recently went to chattanooga and it' amazon the amount of changes they have done to their downtown.I was asking her to sumit the ideas to the alliance and other people associated with them about the possibility of an aquarium,zoo,boat for sightseeing/dinner night cruises,the moda free electric buses to run later,more resturants to open later,seems like all of the resturants,icecream joints didn't close til after 11:00 weekdays.The ben and jerry joint was very nice downtown etc..She wrote me back and said that chattanoga was a good model for us,but we need several million dollars for it to happen.I was surprised that she took the time out to write back,I wrote back and told her how much i appreciated her for doing that,I also gave her this website so she can communicate with us and share her views and to listen and take back some of our input back to the alliance.'I'am all for getting this going guys so count me in.Let's get it going.I can't meet in the city because i stay out of town but i can express my ideas to you'll on the forum.But born and raised for 19yrs in Mobile.

[MobiMan]

Im curious to know where all the people are that stay in our DT Hotels, you think the streets would be full of people, i know they have to be there or we wouldnt be building new hotels, So where are they and what can we do to bring them out of their rooms and into the streets and shops...

Im DT every other day researching for my business checking out foot traffic , i know around lunch time it can get pretty busy, i wish DT would stay open longer, The new ready to lease buildings that are empty would be good retail clothing stores like maybe a Abercrombie and maybe a American Eagle store,(i may get slapped for that one) the stores we have there now just dont carry what most people wear they are out dated, and i never see people shopping in them although somebody has to be or else they wouldnt still be in business after all these years, I just know we need some name brands DT that would help boost things a little

Oh and before i forget, about the movies in the park, i thought about this and maybe it would be better to have them in several locations playing different movies around the DT area, i notice there is a vacant lot on Dauphine that would be great, and Beinville square would be cool, that way it would spread people out and create more foot traffic and help more business owners, play old movies on one screen , shreck the third type movies on one , and romantic comedies on another

[Port_of_Bama]

To my Mobile froumers I would like to appologize for my earlier post becasue mudslinging doesn`t solve anything. I love Mobile just as the rest of you and will defend it , want the best for Mobile just like the rest of you guys. I will aslo be a bigger man and appoligize to our friend from Seattle and I honestly believe we can have tanker discussions without the bashing.


I was down town Friday for Space 301 ( I
believe that`s what they call it )and was a nice atmosphere DT. Lots of poeple were out there was a live band from Daphne playing in Cathedral square and other musicians playing on Dauphine street. I was eating ice cream right in front of 3 Georges just checking out the scenery. There were visitors asking me about where to shop DT and I had to tell them they would have to take Govt west and merge into Airport. There are nice restaurants DT we may need a little more but I wish the DT Alliance would recruit retail DT. The view on top of space 301 was nice and to hear people from cities such as Chicago and Houston and other cities compliment DT Mobile was good feeling.

[Port_of_Bama]

Im curious to know where all the people are that stay in our DT Hotels, you think the streets would be full of people, i know they have to be there or we wouldnt be building new hotels, So where are they and what can we do to bring them out of their rooms and into the streets and shops...

Im DT every other day researching for my business checking out foot traffic , i know around lunch time it can get pretty busy, i wish DT would stay open longer, The new ready to lease buildings that are empty would be good retail clothing stores like maybe a Abercrombie and maybe a American Eagle store,(i may get slapped for that one) the stores we have there now just dont carry what most people wear they are out dated, and i never see people shopping in them although somebody has to be or else they wouldnt still be in business after all these years, I just know we need some name brands DT that would help boost things a little

Oh and before i forget, about the movies in the park, i thought about this and maybe it would be better to have them in several locations playing different movies around the DT area, i notice there is a vacant lot on Dauphine that would be great, and Beinville square would be cool, that way it would spread people out and create more foot traffic and help more business owners, play old movies on one screen , shreck the third type movies on one , and romantic comedies on another


I`ve noticed that most of the foot traffic is along Royal,of course Dauphine,Conti,and Govt from the Royal street inersection to the Library. I like your ideas about movies, I wasn`t realy that happy about the crecent theater that will be DT. You have a better proposal.

[mobile]

Man I wish I could take this guy from Seattle and drop him of somewhere in PA, Orange Grove, Roger Williams, Birdsville, Duval St., ect… He would get a good tour of Mobile and maybe then he would understand why our median household income is lower than average, are crime rates are above average, and why we need this Tanker more than the Seattle area. Yet, were not the ones crying about it. I think we are built a little more tuff in this part of the world.

[mobile]

On to bigger things............

This is what I would like to see for Mobile sometime in the near future....... (I know some of My Ideas are a far from being possible but if I could I would give Mobile all of this thing)

1. Tear down the Orange Grove projects. We would have to rebuild them somewhere else because it wouldn’t be right to put that many people out of a home. As long as those projects are there that large piece of land above (it’s about the same size as DT mobile it self) will never be used. People would be too scared to walk in that area. Then I would like to turn Bishop State into a 4 year HBC like Alabama A&M, Alabama State, or Miles with a football team and all. It would take over the old Orange grove land. That would add more density to DT Mobile just like UAB does 4 B-Ham. Then that would connect you safely to the land behind Orange Grove.
2. Now that we have access to that land it is large enough to put are aquarium, large zoo, and a Dome the size of the superdome. All three could be connected by a river walk like atmosphere with 3 mile creek. We could have a few shop and restaurants along the river walk.
3. Now we can teardown the current Civic Center and put up 4 condominiums/ apts., a parking garage behind them, and a nice little park in front that connects to the Spanish Plaza. That would really increase DT living and foot traffic.
4. Do something with that area behind Ft. Conde if I spelt that right. Maybe like a Market Place or something that will get people to walk over there. Maybe u guys can come up with a better Idea?????? Also do something with that land 4 the Mardi Gras Park. Build the park or Build the Condo, I don’t care just do something!!!
5. This is 4 our river front area….CSX old site must turn it into something good to get people to cross Water Street. Also, a better way to cross Water Street. Build The Maritime Museum. I also wonder is the Ports Could afford to lose the land right below the Cruise terminal. If so we could turn that area into an strip like the area in Sydney Australia where all there clubs and nightlife is. It would be right on the water and right by the Cruise Ships. Now that would be nice.
6. I would also like to see all other Ideas that u guys have brought up come to life between St. Louis Street and Gove. St. Like Chain Town, more places to eat, shop, live, more night clubs, ect….
7. I would like to see a large Pro. Size Baseball Stadium built right on the bay!!! Standing at home plate with a camera espn would have a great view of DT mobile and the Battle ship could be lit up. And on the back side of the stadium behind the parking could be 2 more Cruise ship terminals for large Cruise ships. Maybe we could host team like the Brave, Astros, and rays. I would take a lot of dredging but it could work.
8. The land behind battle Ship Park could be a huge amphitheater like the one in VA Beach.

That’s it 4 now I gotta get back to Work. But just Imagine Mobile with all of this!!!!

Give me some feedback tell me what u guys like what u don’t like and what u think is a possibility for Mobile in the next 10 or 15 yrs. U know this would be one of the hottest cities in The U.S.

[CottonCity251]

Man I wish I could take this guy from Seattle and drop him of somewhere in PA, Orange Grove, Roger Williams, Birdsville, Duval St., ect… He would get a good tour of Mobile and maybe then he would understand why our median household income is lower than average, are crime rates are above average, and why we need this Tanker more than the Seattle area. Yet, were not the ones crying about it. I think we are built a little more tuff in this part of the world.

LMAO!! I agree, we don't get feed with gold and silver spoons like the northerners...hell, a wooden spoon would do us just fine. Northerners are known for bickering and being rude, while southerners are more humble and laid back. This Seattle guy said himself he wishes the deal would go to the Gulf Coast yet he agrues why Seattle should get it....?? That alone deserves him no response. With or without the tanker deal Mobile will keep on pushing. As I learned from the streets, its not about where you from, its about where you at right now and right now we getting money down here. Time too short to worry about what the next man think because right now today, Mobile doing what we been doing but just getting our shine on. BOOYA!

[mobile]

Man I bet that boy from Seattle has never worked hard a day in his life, nor does he even know what it’s like 2 work hard and earn what u get!!! Like EADS and NG they worked hard to create a great deal for the Air Force and they won. Boeing just didn’t work as hard to win this deal and they lost. Now their Crying (They have been eating from a Silver Spoon for 2 long and NG gave them a slice of Humble pie) lol. I bet Boeing would have put much more into the Tanker deal if they didn’t just expect to get it given them.

[NitekKetin]

National retailers such as Abercrombie, AE and Macy*s probably wouldn't open second and third stores or even enter this market. I'm thinking we may see more higher quality local merchants like Metzger's or High Cotton occupy those Dauphin Street storefronts.

[Bogue]

I'm curious about the status of the Orange Grove housing development. I thought that one of those Hope IV projects was under construction there. I would love to see something for more public use go there. That area on that side of I-110 does have a big chunk of semi-blank area and blight that could be cleared up and made into a really nice area.

I also like the idea of replacing Bishop w/ a 4 year institution, but not as a HBC b/c it seems like a lot of those have been having a lot of issues w/ economics and safety. I think a general private college would be better. Maybe convincing the Univ. of Mobile to move? Just aiming for a small college w/ a less than 10,000 enrollment might be just about right for that location given that there's already a large public university in town.

Bishop needs to be replaced lock, stock, and barrell, IMO. Even the name conjures up images of corruption now. Mobile deserves a top of the line community college to help train the workforce for all of these new jobs coming into the area that has its reputation fully intact. I also think that I'd prefer to see it located near where I-10 and DIP join. I think that'd make it more accessible to future students and help anchor further redevelopment in that area.

[mobile]

Oh yeah I almost 4got one of my biggest ideas!!!!!!

Take the causeway and line it with high-rise casinos resort hotels. Basically take a small part of the strip in Vegas and put it in Mobile on the causeway. So the Causeway would be “the Strip” but we could do it with a Mobile Bay Charm.

Can u imagine people passing through Mobile going down I-10? I bet net time their on I-10 they wont be passing through they’ll be making plans to visit the Port-City.

[mobile]

Yeah I agree the college needs to have a small enrollment, maybe 4 or 6 thousand at most. It would be fine with me if a different University like Mobile moved to that spot, but I still think that Mobile needs an HBC with sports “football”. We are the only major city in Alabama that doesn’t have one. It would create more excitement for the city of Mobile or even if it went to Prichard.

***Maybe the University of Mobile and Bishop could swap*** LOL

[NitekKetin]

Oh yeah I almost 4got one of my biggest ideas!!!!!!

Take the causeway and line it with high-rise casinos resort hotels. Basically take a small part of the strip in Vegas and put it in Mobile on the causeway. So the Causeway would be “the Strip” but we could do it with a Mobile Bay Charm.

Can u imagine people passing through Mobile going down I-10? I bet net time their on I-10 they wont be passing through they’ll be making plans to visit the Port-City.

Unfortunately, most of the Causeway is in Baldwin County, specifically the city of Spanish Fort. Building massive casino resorts on this land bridge would do nothing but generate revenue outside of Mobile County. :(

[mobile]

Unfortunately, most of the Causeway is in Baldwin County, specifically the city of Spanish Fort. Building massive casino resorts on this land bridge would do nothing but generate revenue outside of Mobile County. :(

True but I look at Mobile and Baldwin as one. To me it's all the bay area and if Baldwin is growing that great for Mobile. I want 2 see this whole area grow. From Gulfport to P-Cola with Mobile being the epicenter of it all. One MSA called Mobile Bay. That’s what I what like 4 us 2 shot 4. :tup:

[Bogue]

USA now has football, though, which will be played at Ladd. I would prefer to see Mobile support a program that has a chance to be well known at the national level rather than one that would barely register on the local scene (like the ones in B'ham & H'ville do).

I don't know that I like the idea of the casino's on the Causeway. I would prefer to see the Causeway stay more along the lines of restaurants and low-rise places. It has a certain character. I think condo construction should really focus on the downtown area and the area just over I-65 on Airport. I would love to see that area get a few midrise condo projects to take the place of the decaying strip retail over there.

If Casino's do come to Mobile I dunno' where they'd locate, but I would rather those stay downtown as well to localize the impact as far as parking needs and police presence.

[mobile]

Yeah I agree that USA is more important but that’s already in effect, so I would still like to see an HBC. The majority of my friends are black and some of them wanted to attend and HBC but they couldn’t do that in Mobile so they had to move.

If we didn’t put casinos on the causeway they would defiantly need to be downtown. Also if we didn’t do that we need to put more restaurants and low-rise places than are there now and clean it up a little.

But I still like Casinos on the Causeway along with the restaurants that are there now.

[OCA REP]

Yeah I agree the college needs to have a small enrollment, maybe 4 or 6 thousand at most. It would be fine with me if a different University like Mobile moved to that spot, but I still think that Mobile needs an HBC with sports “football”. We are the only major city in Alabama that doesn’t have one. It would create more excitement for the city of Mobile or even if it went to Prichard.

***Maybe the University of Mobile and Bishop could swap*** LOL

What is an HBC?

[mobile]

Historically Black College…. Like Alabama State, A&M, Miles, Tuskegee, Hampton, Jackson St, Florida A&M, ect….

[bayou15]

Can someone post da pic of the new condo/hotel for downtown Baton Rouge

Just came back from ol red stick today. Buying a new truck at Gerry Lane.

Anyway BR is really booming and is leaving Mobile in the dust. At one time the two sister cities imaged each other. The new Bass Pro Shop is 3x larger than the one in Daphne. And the Mall of LA is expanding. It is already bigger then BelAir,springdale, and the eastern shore center combine. Then they have the big waterpark that was full of people while i was passing by on I-10.

The reason i think this is happening is Revenue from the lottery and Riverboat Casinos. (also Lsu has 40k students compared to USA at 13K).

And it just seems to me the people over there get things done, Unlike old Mobile which most of the time just talks about it.(AKA ..A 2nd Boat , The DALE JR. Speedway with all the proposed development, etc....)

Not having casino here in Mobile County has came back to haunt us. The school system wouldn t be bitching about money, we would have already have better roads. And we wouldnt be loosing 30million to Miss. Gulf coast everyyear.


ALL of y' alls ideas sound great:tup: keep it up. I just wish Mobile will just DO IT ! Instead of just talking about it.


:tup: Time 4 a Cigarette! Geaux tigahs!

[mobile]

Can someone post da pic of the new condo/hotel for downtown Baton Rouge

Just came back from ol red stick today. Buying a new truck at Gerry Lane.

Anyway BR is really booming and is leaving Mobile in the dust. At one time the two sister cities imaged each other. The new Bass Pro Shop is 3x larger than the one in Daphne. And the Mall of LA is expanding. It is already bigger then BelAir,springdale, and the eastern shore center combine. Then they have the big waterpark that was full of people while i was passing by on I-10.

The reason i think this is happening is Revenue from the lottery and Riverboat Casinos. (also Lsu has 40k students compared to USA at 13K).

And it just seems to me the people over there get things done, Unlike old Mobile which most of the time just talks about it.(AKA ..A 2nd Boat , The DALE JR. Speedway with all the proposed development, etc....)

Not having casino here in Mobile County has came back to haunt us. The school system wouldn t be bitching about money, we would have already have better roads. And we wouldnt be loosing 30million to Miss. Gulf coast everyyear.


ALL of y' alls ideas sound great:tup: keep it up. I just wish Mobile will just DO IT ! Instead of just talking about it.


:tup: Time 4 a Cigarette! Geaux tigahs!

Can u imagine if someone in Mobile looked at the list I made plus other Ideas we all have made on just this site alone and built all or most of it?????????????

[Alabadrock]

The main reason all those things won't happen is because all the people that could make it possible look at the list and laugh. Then dismiss it. It's the same thing with the Olympic bid that Birmingham's doing. Instead of thinking "this is possible. it's unlikely, but possible." people laugh at it and say it's stupid. so, it never happens. that's not the way to get things done.

[NitekKetin]

The Bass Pro Shops store in Denham Springs is only 10K square feet larger than the store under construction in Spanish Fort.

The Mall of Louisiana, while admittedly enormous in size, is not larger than Bel Air Mall, Springdale Plaza and Eastern Shore Centre combined. It if where, it would be one of largest regional shopping centers in the country.

The Dale Earnhardt Racetrack development is slated for construction sometime in August, according to this Sunday's real estate column. Nearby at the intersection of I-65 and Industrial Parkway, there are plans to develop 95 acres for a new regional shopping center.

Yes, we do need a lottery and casino gambling. However, hypothetically speaking, there should be thorough architectural standards in place to prevent gaudy EIFS-cladded monstrosities from destroying Downtown's charm.

I'm glad you enjoyed your trip to BR. :)

[bayou15]

:previous: 10k sq feet thats it? It looks cool looking with the tin side and built on the lake. The mall is just so much up scale. It was hard to get a good look ,with all the co-eds in my way!:cheers: DAMN i hated that:haha:

[Bogue]

Curious... Wouldn't we need approval via the state legislature to have casino's? I don't see that happening.

Where exactly is Industrial Parkway? I can't remember an exit named that on I-65.

Any idea on their exact plans? Malls seem to have fallen from grace in the South. The open air shopping centers seem to be taking over.

[Bogue]

Yeah I agree that USA is more important but that’s already in effect, so I would still like to see an HBC. The majority of my friends are black and some of them wanted to attend and HBC but they couldn’t do that in Mobile so they had to move.

If we didn’t put casinos on the causeway they would defiantly need to be downtown. Also if we didn’t do that we need to put more restaurants and low-rise places than are there now and clean it up a little.

But I still like Casinos on the Causeway along with the restaurants that are there now.


Causeway development has to be very cautious for a number of reasons. Insurance issues are going to preclude most developments from going there. Beyond that there are environmental concerns w/ the Causeway itself that will eventually have to be dealt with. Personally, I like the rustic nature of the restaurants on the Causeway. I don't think we really need much more development there... maybe a small handful of seafood restaurants.

I just can't get behind the HBC idea. They're almost never even solvent, much less profitable (due to their tiny enrollments, generally... AA&M has 5,000, ASU has 5,000, Miles has less than 1,000, Stillman has less than 1,000, Talladega has less than 1,000, Tuskegee has around 3600... all taken from http://www.edonline.com/cq/hbcu/alphabet.htm ) and they haven't been shown to have a real positive impact on the neighborhoods surrounding them to the point where they would be worth the investments. I bring up the economic side only to point out that the public money required to run them cuts into the funds available for other schools that get money from state coffers (like USA, UA, & AU). I think as far as public funds go focus should be on job training facilities and on USA.

[SouthSky]

Where exactly is Industrial Parkway? I can't remember an exit named that on I-65.

It's AL158... the same road the Dale Jr Raceway is planned... actually about a mile down the road.

[jrfstone]

And the Mall of LA is expanding. It is already bigger then BelAir,springdale, and the eastern shore center combine.
No its not that big. Bel Air Mall alone has 8.3% more retail space than the Mall of Louisiana.

The difference is how the mall is marketed, both to prospective tenants and prospective customers. The M of LA has identified itself as an upscale mall, and has had great success. The Bel Air Mall identified itself as the regular mall in Mobile, Alabama - big whoop!

[phoenixboi08]

Actually, I think Casinos would work pretty well in the DIP area...but I guess building there isn't the most attractive thing to developers...Why exactly are Casinos and the lottery outlawed in Alabama?

[jrfstone]

So I'll channel your negative energy into facts.

1) Mobile, AL median household income is $9,000 less than the median household income for the entire United States.
2) Mobile, AL's GDP is 10 Billion while Seattle's is 186 Billion
3) Mobile, AL's per capita income is 21,000$ and Seattle's is 30,000$
4) Seattle gave the world Starbucks, Grunge, Boeing, UPS and is home to Microsoft.
5) Entering "Mobile" into Wikipedia gives a disambiguation page. Entering "Seattle" into Wikipedia gives you Seattle, WA
6) Seattle has been ranked the most intelligent city in the country versus Mobile which has been ranked, what...?


Mobile's Cost of living is 7.5% below the national average, compared to Seattle's which is 23.3% above the national average. So the income discrepancy is much lower than you portray.

As far as GDP, that will soon change, very dramatically. Forbes Magazine projects that Mobile will have the fastest growing GMP contribution to the GDP IN THE NATION. (That was before the tanker contract was awarded, btw)

The followings points you made are just pointless.

Starbucks, Boeing, UPS, and Microsoft would have come to be with or without an egotistical city in the Pacific Northwest.

Wikipedia redirections mean nothing. How many Seattles are there? There are two Mobiles, and "mobile" also has significant meanings as a common noun and adjective.

I would argue that one of our own cities has been ranked the most intelligent: Huntsville. Highest per capita level of engineers and scientists.

[OCA REP]

I just can't get behind the HBC idea. They're almost never even solvent, much less profitable (due to their tiny enrollments, generally... AA&M has 5,000, ASU has 5,000, Miles has less than 1,000, Stillman has less than 1,000, Talladega has less than 1,000, Tuskegee has around 3600... all taken from http://www.edonline.com/cq/hbcu/alphabet.htm ) and they haven't been shown to have a real positive impact on the neighborhoods surrounding them to the point where they would be worth the investments. I bring up the economic side only to point out that the public money required to run them cuts into the funds available for other schools that get money from state coffers (like USA, UA, & AU). I think as far as public funds go focus should be on job training facilities and on USA.

Maybe we could do a land-swap or something and give you guys Alabama State University (ASU). While I know the school has some good points, it is very often a source of embarrassment up here in Montgomery. There are always stories concerning corruption (administrative and sports-related) that are just so sad. If we could send ASU to Mobile, Montgomery would have some prime midtown real estate that would be ripe for re-development.

[phoenixboi08]

I had a dream that I went to an aquarium...in Mobile! Srange!
So I put what I could remember together and here's what I got!

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg267/gmedespair/DSCN0011.jpg
This side is SUPPOSED to be facing the Exploreum, but I messed up! :P

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg267/gmedespair/DSCN0012.jpg
The dome on top is just glass....(see next picture)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg267/gmedespair/DSCN0013.jpg
Look at that! A parK!

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg267/gmedespair/DSCN0014.jpg
I really don't think this is very realistic...I mean there would obviously be pillars or something here...

Sorry, I don't know how to import the images OUT of SketchUp and I was in a hurry, so I just used my Camera. I'll be getting better renderings up soon.
Also, where do I go to get decent materials to cover the building?

[Port_of_Bama]

USA now has football, though, which will be played at Ladd. I would prefer to see Mobile support a program that has a chance to be well known at the national level rather than one that would barely register on the local scene (like the ones in B'ham & H'ville do).

I don't know that I like the idea of the casino's on the Causeway. I would prefer to see the Causeway stay more along the lines of restaurants and low-rise places. It has a certain character. I think condo construction should really focus on the downtown area and the area just over I-65 on Airport. I would love to see that area get a few midrise condo projects to take the place of the decaying strip retail over there.

If Casino's do come to Mobile I dunno' where they'd locate, but I would rather those stay downtown as well to localize the impact as far as parking needs and police presence.



There are some HBCU`s that are not doing well because of leadership but not all of them. A four year HBCU would be good for Bishop because after all if you were to look up HBCU`s in Alabama, Bishop state will be on the top of the list so Mobile alredy has one. We just don`t have a 4 year institution which will bring the big games with Grambling, Southern,State,FAMU, and etc.


I believe that USA would be viewd on a local seen USA has a student population of 15,000 last I heared . The biggest college in Huntsville is an HBCU (AAMU) wich has 5,000 but is declining and UAH around 4,300 and growing . There no teams in B-ham or H-ville that are realy on a national level,well problably UAB and H-ville doesn`t have a stadium the size of Ladd or Legion Field.

Building condos and Casions on the cause way would be a good idea but they were complaing about hurricans and what not ,but Felix Fish camp and others are still standing so I don`t know what the problem is. The solution to that would be to build several feet above sealevel just as the seafood joints do.

[Port_of_Bama]

I had a dream that I went to an aquarium...in Mobile! Srange!
So I put what I could remember together and here's what I got!

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg267/gmedespair/DSCN0011.jpg
This side is SUPPOSED to be facing the Exploreum, but I messed up! :P

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg267/gmedespair/DSCN0012.jpg
The dome on top is just glass....(see next picture)

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg267/gmedespair/DSCN0013.jpg
Look at that! A parK!

http://i250.photobucket.com/albums/gg267/gmedespair/DSCN0014.jpg
I really don't think this is very realistic...I mean there would obviously be pillars or something here...

Sorry, I don't know how to import the images OUT of SketchUp and I was in a hurry, so I just used my Camera. I'll be getting better renderings up soon.
Also, where do I go to get decent materials to cover the building?

he old court house site would make a perfect location for that or some of the surface parking lots.

[Port_of_Bama]

Can someone post da pic of the new condo/hotel for downtown Baton Rouge

Just came back from ol red stick today. Buying a new truck at Gerry Lane.

Anyway BR is really booming and is leaving Mobile in the dust. At one time the two sister cities imaged each other. The new Bass Pro Shop is 3x larger than the one in Daphne. And the Mall of LA is expanding. It is already bigger then BelAir,springdale, and the eastern shore center combine. Then they have the big waterpark that was full of people while i was passing by on I-10.

The reason i think this is happening is Revenue from the lottery and Riverboat Casinos. (also Lsu has 40k students compared to USA at 13K).

And it just seems to me the people over there get things done, Unlike old Mobile which most of the time just talks about it.(AKA ..A 2nd Boat , The DALE JR. Speedway with all the proposed development, etc....)

Not having casino here in Mobile County has came back to haunt us. The school system wouldn t be bitching about money, we would have already have better roads. And we wouldnt be loosing 30million to Miss. Gulf coast everyyear.


ALL of y' alls ideas sound great:tup: keep it up. I just wish Mobile will just DO IT ! Instead of just talking about it.


:tup: Time 4 a Cigarette! Geaux tigahs!



The city is good at being a go getter for jobs and that`s good but it needs the same attitude for attractions. Mobile county is much larger than Baldwin but they have more shopping centers :shrug:. Like I mentioned before the Mall of L.A was first planned in Mobile but they(West Mobile residents)
turned it down, Jazzland which had another name was planned for Mobile but again they turned it down. This attitude just have to stop fortunantly for us a new generation for Mobile has emerged, I can say one thing Dow promised us a string of pearls and we got it. The new string of pearls that Jones mentioned should have some changes such as DT retail and a new shopping mall or town centre,theme park ( which will be built with the race track hopefuly).

[bayou15]

:previous: :previous:

What about the one I heard that Theodore is where Walt Disney wanted to drop anchor. Or about Six Fags wanted to set up shop in GrandBay.
Politics has alot to do about it also.

The third largest Oil Refinery in North American was planned on being in Bayou La Batre. Instead Chevron landed a few miles west in Pascagoula.


O'well... I guess if the Pilgrams had killed a cat we would be eating some thing else for Thanksgiving :tup:


''Have a Great Day !" (Coach Miles, 2007).

[Bogue]

Yeah, Theodore was originally the place where Walt Disney World was going to be located but Walt made a trip to one last place down to a swamp in the middle of nowhere.... rest is history, of course.

Lots of funny "what ifs" in this area. Alabama was offered the opportunity to annex all of the Florida panhandle right down to Appalachicola around the turn of last century. Would've made the state the largest state east of the Mississippi and would've doubled the economic base in this state if development would've continued at its historic pace.

Oh Well...


...but on to the future. :)

I don't know that it's the fact of the hurricanes that turns off development on the Causeway, but I think it's more of an insurance co. issue. There's also some other issues... I forget, but isn't there some jurisdictional issue w/ that big old pink hotel? Think it was the insurance issue that sent the Original Oyster House down towards Spanish Fort from its old location.

I think we're more likely to get public bayfront space along the Causeway than anywhere else. I think that particular area along the causeway where the former gas station is might be nice to be a public park area. It's already used often as a boat ramp area. That type of thing could be enhanced along that side of the road and some greenspace could be added and maybe a large monument (a la Birmingham's Vulcan statue) in place of that area. A Nice marina in that area could be a good thing as well, though and add to the view of the city from newcomers coming in from the East.

[NitekKetin]

In a bit of sad news, Starbucks will be closing four locations in the Airport Blvd/Spring Hill section of west Mobile. The Legacy Village location, in particular, comes as a bit of a suprise.

These were the only Starbucks closures in Alabama.

[bayou15]

:previous: Cause we won the contract :cheers: Circle K is the best anyway

[10101000]

Hum, the one at Legacy is a shocker! Well, I would rather have Barnies back in Mobile anyway.

[nimsjus]

In a bit of sad news, Starbucks will be closing four locations in the Airport Blvd/Spring Hill section of west Mobile. The Legacy Village location, in particular, comes as a bit of a suprise.

These were the only Starbucks closures in Alabama.

I hate to see things going out of business, but I do think it is pretty funny that Starbucks opened all of those stores (Legacy Village, Old Shell/McGregor, and Old Shell/University) in the middle of all of Mobile's local coffee shops, thinking they could muscle them, and then they couldn't cut it. I remeber an article in Lagniappe about those openings and Carpe Diem, Satori's and Dr Java all thought they could out compete Starbucks. Looks like they were right. I would much rather see the big chain take a hit, than lose one of those local businesses.
P.S.-The Starbucks building at Old Shell and McGregor is a great location and would be an easy move in for a cafe now that Starbucks made some food service upgrades. I would love to see a local restaraunt or high end bar go in that location. I wish I was able to pull the trigger on a spot like that right now. It is in the heart of the wealthiest part of town and is in between two colleges (students have lots of disposable income and love to blow it on food/alcohol). I think someone could make a killing there.

[Port_of_Bama]

In a bit of sad news, Starbucks will be closing four locations in the Airport Blvd/Spring Hill section of west Mobile. The Legacy Village location, in particular, comes as a bit of a suprise.

These were the only Starbucks closures in Alabama.


Mobile had the only Starbucks closings huh that`s weird I never see anyone in the Starbucks in Huntsville. I guess the Tanker has a lot to do with it, Serda`s DT seems to be doing realy well every time I pass that place I see people in and outside of the building.

Have anyone eaten at Noel B`s which is on the corner of Conti and Conception seems to be a new restaurant and had nice paintings on the walls ?

[Del]

I have been laughing about that too, nimsjus - first "CC's" tried to undercut Carpe Diem, and then Starbucks. Considering how Mobilians embrace chain restaurants and stores in general, I'm delighted to see the local coffee joints triumph.

I tell you what I wish would look at Old Shell & McGregor - a La Madeleine. I've always thought one of those would do really well here, especially on The Hill. The Starbucks space may not be big enough, though. http://www.lamadeleine.com/ (of course even La Madeleine is a chain :))

[Del]

Noell B's has good bar-type food, especially the homemade potato chips, and friendly and attentive service. Unfortunately it's usually too smoky for us.

[10101000]

I have been laughing about that too, nimsjus - first "CC's" tried to undercut Carpe Diem, and then Starbucks. Considering how Mobilians embrace chain restaurants and stores in general, I'm delighted to see the local coffee joints triumph.

I tell you what I wish would look at Old Shell & McGregor - a La Madeleine. I've always thought one of those would do really well here, especially on The Hill. The Starbucks space may not be big enough, though. http://www.lamadeleine.com/ (of course even La Madeleine is a chain :))

I love La Madeleine! We have a couple here in Baton Rouge. I actually called the DM of the chain and asked what it would take to open one in Mobile. I think that it would go well in Springhill.

[10101000]

Check this place out.

http://www.legacy-village.com/

[bystander1]

Mobile had the only Starbucks closings huh that`s weird I never see anyone in the Starbucks in Huntsville. I guess the Tanker has a lot to do with it, Serda`s DT seems to be doing realy well every time I pass that place I see people in and outside of the building.

They may not be the only city in the state with Starbucks closings. Remember, that was just the first round...

[MobileLSUboy2005]

I have been laughing about that too, nimsjus - first "CC's" tried to undercut Carpe Diem, and then Starbucks. Considering how Mobilians embrace chain restaurants and stores in general, I'm delighted to see the local coffee joints triumph.

I tell you what I wish would look at Old Shell & McGregor - a La Madeleine. I've always thought one of those would do really well here, especially on The Hill. The Starbucks space may not be big enough, though. http://www.lamadeleine.com/ (of course even La Madeleine is a chain :))

AHH! i have been dying for mobile to ge ta La Madeline! i eat at the ones here in Baton Rouge all the time! We have 3 of them here, and they do great, and im sure Spring Hill would be a great location for one in Mobile. Yea i remember when the CCs tried to open up and failed....but they pulled out on all their locations outside of Louisiana. They are flourishing in Baton Rouge and NOLA for sure! they have just as many stores as Starbucks! - and trust me, they did the same thing in BR as they did in Mobile and put one on every freakin corner haha

[NitekKetin]

Check this place out.

http://www.legacy-village.com/

Yes, it's what Eastern Shore Centre could have been

[Randallg223]

Please excuse me in advance, this post may be all over the place before I finish. I've been doing a lot of traveling in the southeast this summer and the one thing that jumps out in traveling to other cities similar in size to Mobile, is that our infrusture is way below par to those cities. Jackson, MS., Knoxville, TN., Little Rock, AR., and soon Baton Rouge, LA., all have interstate loops around there cities. The loop helps drive through traffic move faster and it opens the spur through town to be less crowded for local traffic. I've talked to tons of travelers and they all say the same thing, Interstate 10 (Wallace Tunnels) is one of the worst if not the worst bottle necks on there trip to Flordia. (That's a major problem in itself, passing through and not stopping) Nearly everyone who lives in Dallas, Memphis, St. Louis, Houston, Kansas City, Shreveport, etc.....have driven through Mobile on the way to Orlando. We in Mobile need to realize the interstate system was built for the purpose of moving people long distance's and as quickly as possible. We have to less selfish and realize a downtown I-10 bridge must be built. No more excuses. Many cities have high bridges in there downtown and it can be made to work, even enhance the area.

Now on Mobile's population decline, who cares. Most large MSA's have a very small city population. Atlanta, GA......city of Atlanta around 450,000, Atlanta MSA....... 8th largest in the Untied States. It's the region that matters. What hurts Mobile is the fact we are sandwich between two other fairly large MSA area's Pensacola and Gulfport/Biloxi. I often wonder how large Mobile would be if those two area's didn't exist.

Now for Downtown, we've got to get another larger cruise ship and then make is easy for those people to explore downtown. Also once there in downtown, there has to be things for them to do that is only unique to Mobile. For example, the Riverwalk in New Orleans. Seems like most of the stores have a Nawlin's flavor. Mobile needs to capture it's own style, and make Mobile the destination and not just the stop over on the way to Disney World or cruise to Mexico.

[nimsjus]

Please excuse me in advance, this post may be all over the place before I finish. I've been doing a lot of traveling in the southeast this summer and the one thing that jumps out in traveling to other cities similar in size to Mobile, is that our infrusture is way below par to those cities. Jackson, MS., Knoxville, TN., Little Rock, AR., and soon Baton Rouge, LA., all have interstate loops around there cities. The loop helps drive through traffic move faster and it opens the spur through town to be less crowded for local traffic. I've talked to tons of travelers and they all say the same thing, Interstate 10 (Wallace Tunnels) is one of the worst if not the worst bottle necks on there trip to Flordia. (That's a major problem in itself, passing through and not stopping) Nearly everyone who lives in Dallas, Memphis, St. Louis, Houston, Kansas City, Shreveport, etc.....have driven through Mobile on the way to Orlando. We in Mobile need to realize the interstate system was built for the purpose of moving people long distance's and as quickly as possible. We have to less selfish and realize a downtown I-10 bridge must be built. No more excuses. Many cities have high bridges in there downtown and it can be made to work, even enhance the area.

Now on Mobile's population decline, who cares. Most large MSA's have a very small city population. Atlanta, GA......city of Atlanta around 450,000, Atlanta MSA....... 8th largest in the Untied States. It's the region that matters. What hurts Mobile is the fact we are sandwich between two other fairly large MSA area's Pensacola and Gulfport/Biloxi. I often wonder how large Mobile would be if those two area's didn't exist.

Now for Downtown, we've got to get another larger cruise ship and then make is easy for those people to explore downtown. Also once there in downtown, there has to be things for them to do that is only unique to Mobile. For example, the Riverwalk in New Orleans. Seems like most of the stores have a Nawlin's flavor. Mobile needs to capture it's own style, and make Mobile the destination and not just the stop over on the way to Disney World or cruise to Mexico.
Three of the cities that you tried to compare Mobile to from an infrastructure perspective are state capitals. I think that pretty much clears up why they have better infrastructure. Montgomery has a loop (although not a closed access loop) and is planning a second loop. Also two of those cities have a large SEC school, which helps boost the white collar jobs, mean income, population, etc (all of which lead to better infrastructure, stores, etc). I think those cities have advantages Mobile dose not have, so I'm not sure it is comparing apples to apples.
Can someone explain to me why a new bridge is needed so badly? I have heard lots of people say that the wallace tunnel is the worst bottleneck on I-10, but how will a bridge alleviate that? Regardless of how many people use the tunnel or a new bridge they all have to get back onto two lanes of bayway in each direction. I see no point in building a bridge unless you expand the bayway to 4 lanes each way also (and while they are at it, they should raise the baywya up a few feet so it isn't washed away by the next big direct hit from a storm.).

[Electrical Porpoise]

In a bit of sad news, Starbucks will be closing four locations in the Airport Blvd/Spring Hill section of west Mobile. The Legacy Village location, in particular, comes as a bit of a suprise.

These were the only Starbucks closures in Alabama.Not a surprise at all. I think you had to walk in plus the people in the area already go to Carpe Diem. Starbucks over saturates an area and sees what works...they did a horrible job in the Spring Hill area.

[| BRAVO |]

I've been doing a lot of traveling in the southeast this summer and the one thing that jumps out in traveling to other cities similar in size to Mobile, is that our infrusture is way below par to those cities. Jackson, MS., Knoxville, TN., Little Rock, AR., and soon Baton Rouge, LA., all have interstate loops around there cities.


Hallelujah and Amen! Alabama's urban infrastructure is in shambles from top to bottom and it aggravates the hell out of me (with the possible exception of Montgomery). No city in Alabama has a complete loop and it makes zero sense... yet another example of an inferior ALDOT

[MobileLSUboy2005]

Three of the cities that you tried to compare Mobile to from an infrastructure perspective are state capitals. I think that pretty much clears up why they have better infrastructure. Montgomery has a loop (although not a closed access loop) and is planning a second loop. Also two of those cities have a large SEC school, which helps boost the white collar jobs, mean income, population, etc (all of which lead to better infrastructure, stores, etc). I think those cities have advantages Mobile dose not have, so I'm not sure it is comparing apples to apples.
Can someone explain to me why a new bridge is needed so badly? I have heard lots of people say that the wallace tunnel is the worst bottleneck on I-10, but how will a bridge alleviate that? Regardless of how many people use the tunnel or a new bridge they all have to get back onto two lanes of bayway in each direction. I see no point in building a bridge unless you expand the bayway to 4 lanes each way also (and while they are at it, they should raise the baywya up a few feet so it isn't washed away by the next big direct hit from a storm.).

Thats why ive said that Mobile will be lacking for a long time. All those other cities have reasons for people to be there (state capitals, or big universities). Now baton rouge just revealed yesterday that they are planning a huge museum attraction downtown. Unless Mobile gets some sort of MAJOR attractions - other than a cruise ship - we will always be behind other cities of our size. Pensacola has the beaches, Biloxi/Gulfport has the casino's, Baton Rouge has LSU and the capitol, Montgomery - well...sorry anyone from Montgomery, but Mobile is still better than you, Huntsville seems to be progressing nicely - I guess because of all the high-paying engineering jobs... y'all get my drift... Mobile: GET SOME BIG ATTRACTIONS! I was in town this weekend and realized just how boring the city really is! I was at the mall and thought, damn! where do people shop around here?! (oh yea, the eastern shore!)

[nimsjus]

Since education will play an important role in the future success of Mobile (training workers and competing with neighboring municipalities with school systems), I wanted to get some peoples take on Manzie replacing Fleet Belle and Crenshaw replacing Fournier. I think a few of you guys said yall were from Toulminville and I don't know alot about that community, the schools, or the officials that pepresent that area. I have always heard that Fournier and Belle (Thomas before him) were pretty corrupt and caused alot of problems for the school board and the system as a whole. Will the new blood on the board help change the school system for the better or are we in for more of the same? I know there was alot of drama with the Manzie vs Belle election. I also was curious about Crenshaw coming from Bishop St. There has been alot of scandal surrounding the Bishop St and previous administrators from there (David Thomas). Was Crenshaw a better choice than Marshall?

[10101000]

Yes, it's what Eastern Shore Centre could have been

No it is what our Legacy Village could have been, what are you thinking!

[10101000]

From what I read, Mobile only lost 550 people. Sounds like a common move to me. Every city has that type of people.

[10101000]

Ok, after reading all the Buzz about Baton Rouge I have to comment. Kip Holden did present the projects downtown, however it raises tax dollars in the parish, by 1,200.00 per homeowner. The people get to vote on it in October. The project is not a for sure deal yet. Mobile is very smart in the process of SMART GROWTH. Mobile does not need Urban Sprawl! Just take in the moment of what we have in Mobile and be thankful that you do not live in a forsaken city!!!!!!!!!!!

[MobileLSUboy2005]

all of mobile is urban sprawl! at least baton rouge had taken SOME attempts to make a TND or something similar like the Walden development off Kenilworth, or perkins rowe or Rouzan, bla bla bla... there's nothing like that in mobile. What smart growth are you referring to that is in mobile? (and sometimes i feel mobile IS a forsaken city...which is why i probably not move back there unless a lot changes) It is home for me, but I'm glad its not my current home.

[10101000]

Ok, I need help, bad! I have just contacted Austin Pate of Mitchell company about the Starbucks that has closed in Legacy Village. He stated that the company still has the lease and must rent the space out under there company. I know a lot of you like CC's coffee house and I love it. I asked Mr. Pate what it would take to open a CC's in the village. Of course he shouted a lot of legal language and it might take a second to release the spot. On the other hand, I called Community Coffee here in Baton Rouge about a spot in the village. I left a message with Shawn to return my call. One lady had said that numerous Louisianans have called about opening a CC's in Mobile, but have never made the attempt to open a location. If you would like to help, please call Shawn at Community Coffee for the request to open a site there. The number is 800-525-5583, I would greatly appreciate it.

[10101000]

all of mobile is urban sprawl! at least baton rouge had taken SOME attempts to make a TND or something similar like the Walden development off Kenilworth, or perkins rowe or Rouzan, bla bla bla... there's nothing like that in mobile. What smart growth are you referring to that is in mobile? (and sometimes i feel mobile IS a forsaken city...which is why i probably not move back there unless a lot changes) It is home for me, but I'm glad its not my current home.

Baton Rouge did not make the attempts to build a TND, Tommy Spinoza did, a former Baton Rougen who now lives in Houston.

[MobileLSUboy2005]

Baton Rouge did not make the attempts to build a TND, Tommy Spinoza did, a former Baton Rougen who now lives in Houston.

yea probably because people ran him out of town!
there was a CCs in Mobile years ago at the current location of Private Collection's...it failed like all the other coffee shops in Spring Hill, because of people's loyalty to Carpe Diem (like my own), although I do love CC's too ( i could go for a hazelnut mochasippi right now), but then i also feel a need to support Highland Coffee's in BR because it reminds me so much of Carpe haha - too bad neither has a drive through for all us lazy americans

sooo im sure all of us are at work right now....do any of us actually....work? or do we just play on here all day...

[10101000]

I work, I am working as we speak! Yes it did fail due to the other Coffee house, but I am sure that this would work. Any place works if you market it right.

[10101000]

Mr. Pate did say that he had a few stores lined up to come in. He would not mention the name but one was a high-end furniture store and one was a high-end store from Louisiana, and somewhere else.

[MobileLSUboy2005]

Mr. Pate did say that he had a few stores lined up to come in. He would not mention the name but one was a high-end furniture store and one was a high-end store from Louisiana, and somewhere else.

hrrmmm wonder what it is

[NitekKetin]

Minon Faget *could* be that high end store out of Louisiana.

[10101000]

I thought about that.

[10101000]

Double post, sorry

[10101000]

Here is the rendering found on the link:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/158/383197294_5ff69719ff_o.jpg

Still no up to date word on this beauty.

[nimsjus]

From what I read, Mobile only lost 550 people. Sounds like a common move to me. Every city has that type of people.

I think I read that those figures from the census did not include the annexation numbers. If I remember correctly from the article, we lost 500 and gained about 1200 during the annexation, so we should have had a net gain of about 700 had the annexation stuff been counted.

[10101000]

I think I read that those figures from the census did not include the annexation numbers. If I remember correctly from the article, we lost 500 and gained about 1200 during the annexation, so we should have had a net gain of about 700 had the annexation stuff been counted.

Yup, that is correct. So are any of you going to call the number I posted? I would like the help. :yes:

[Del]

There was a second CC's location on Dauphin Street, in the old Mobile Popcorn building in Midtown. I think there may even have been a third one further west, but I can't remember. The Midtown one was near-empty whenever I stopped in. It's hard to believe they would want to take another chance here but, of course, the city has changed a lot since then.

I grew up in New Orleans but I'm sorry to say I'm not crazy about Community coffee. If we're going to push for a Louisiana chain I'd rather see PJ's come here.

[Electrical Porpoise]

It is home for me, but I'm glad its not my current home.You'd rather live in BR? Sheesh...:D

As for CC's there already was one in Spring Hill and it closed.

[buckett5425]

I grew up in New Orleans but I'm sorry to say I'm not crazy about Community coffee. If we're going to push for a Louisiana chain I'd rather see PJ's come here.

Please, take PJ's, take them all out of La! I hate PJ's and have never found anything good there to drink. CC's on the other hand, MMMmMmMmm, better then starbucks.:worship:

[MobiMan]

why dont someone here open up a private coffee shop there, it would probably do best at legacy village, and the old shell location...

[10101000]

Please, take PJ's, take them all out of La! I hate PJ's and have never found anything good there to drink. CC's on the other hand, MMMmMmMmm, better then starbucks.:worship:

We have a PJ's in Daphne and I do not like it either. I love CC's so much better than all of it, except for Barnies coffee.

[MobileLSUboy2005]

We have a PJ's in Daphne and I do not like it either. I love CC's so much better than all of it, except for Barnies coffee.

Yea PJ's sucks....CCs is WAY better, and too bad the barnies in the mall was made into a FREAKIN STARBUCKS! (they'll probably close that too and leave another empty store...)

[MobileLSUboy2005]

You'd rather live in BR? Sheesh...:D

yea....i'd definitely rather live in BR than Mobile right now...so much more to do/eat/shop, plus that La culture is really startin to grow on me, although i'd still rather eat Alabama Gulf Shrimp than crawfish any day... haha

[10101000]

Yea PJ's sucks....CCs is WAY better, and too bad the barnies in the mall was made into a FREAKIN STARBUCKS! (they'll probably close that too and leave another empty store...)

I talked to the guy that works there at the mall and they are keeping that one open and the one in the parcel as well.

[10101000]

Both Baton Rouge and Mobile have become one to me. I spend so much time in both cities that is like I live in one big city. I love Mobile so much more though, it is my home. We do have a lot to do in Mobile just not what most of us want. We are all so use to the everyday life in Mob Town.

[MobileLSUboy2005]

Both Baton Rouge and Mobile have become one to me. I spend so much time in both cities that is like I live in one big city. I love Mobile so much more though, it is my home. We do have a lot to do in Mobile just not what most of us want. We are all so use to the everyday life in Mob Town.

Mobile's great if you're from a town like....Greenville, AL or something and are gonna be living there for a few years...but now that ive moved to a bigger city, its hard to go back i guess haha
I still like it a lot, i just dont see myself being happy living there for now