[nouveau_Mauvilla]

I don't think that a lifestyle center would really work in southern Mobile. It really has to be on the very fringe of the main downtown area. Bridge Street in Huntsville is, and the center in Bossier City is too. Course, I don't know much about southern Mobile, so for all I know there is some area that would be well suited for it.

Actually, there is quite a lot of land like that. The Civic Center (parking lot) is one potential spot, as is Orange Grove and the surrounding area, there is also other government housing that could be removed/relocated.

[CottonCity251]

Actually, there is quite a lot of land like that. The Civic Center (parking lot) is one potential spot, as is Orange Grove and the surrounding area, there is also other government housing that could be removed/relocated.

What other goverment housing are you suggesting?

[NitekKetin]

As much as I'd love to see a healthy corridor roster national retailers in Downtown, the population isn't there to support it and probably won't be there for a while. Still, if the State Docks ever completely moves its operations to Choctaw Point, then all of that waterfront acreage could be the location for a fantastic open air mixed use development.

On the topic of lifestyle centers, I think such a development would see success in a high end, highly trafficked area such as Dauphin/I-65. When the economy picks up, hopefully Legacy Village will move ahead with its second phase.

[NitekKetin]

This is a bit silly, but I think the old Chilli's building in the Festival Centre would make a suitable building for PF Chang's. There are numerous office buildings and corporate office parks in the vicinity and it's located on a busy thoroughfare in one of South Alabama's principal commercial centers.

Also, the old Circuit City, a couple of in-line tenants and that Academy Sports could be demolished for the site of a new Costco store. Academy could be relocated to the Movies 10 building, while Office Max could be shifted into the former PharMor building.

[Port_of_Bama]

^^^ No not silly at all that would be a good location and I just thought of another one .If you can remember the Smocky Bones BBQ restaurant on Airport across the street from Steinmart,Blockbuster and Pet Smart that could be a really good location as well. I keep forgetting about Legacy Village and it`s near a high income and very busy area that is near easy interstate access. So hopefuly the 2nd phase will be coming in a year and a half or so.

Though it is near easy interstate access ,when the village expand my only cnocern is traffic and traffic is already heavy as it is now in that area.

When I mention Southern Mobile along the bay you guys I was thinking around or near the Salti Air development,and areas over the draw bridge on DIP around Dog River.

Maybe Bayou Cove ? :shrug: :D

[NitekKetin]

The old Smokey Bones location is an even better site than the Festival Centre.

[Port_of_Bama]

Hey Nitek how`s Columbus treating you and your family so far ?

[NitekKetin]

LOL, you're probably thinking of Nimsjus. :)

[nimsjus]

Columbus isnt too bad so far. Still getting use to it but our house is awesome. It sucks not even knowing where to go get groceris or where the nearest home depot is. It's no Mobile that's for sure.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

I agree with the locations for Changs, good thinking. What is over there to the left of Steinmart, Petsmart, etc besides the old Smokey Bones? I never really think of that side.

if the State Docks ever completely moves its operations to Choctaw Point, then all of that waterfront acreage could be the location for a fantastic open air mixed use development.

If only... :tup:

Also, speaking of SaltAire, anyone see the article in the paper not too long ago about those people who are selling their lots together (I think 5 or 6...?)? That could be quite an opportunity.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

Columbus isnt too bad so far. Still getting use to it but our house is awesome. It sucks not even knowing where to go get groceris or where the nearest home depot is. It's no Mobile that's for sure.

Well, the best of luck to you. Hope everybody and everything settles in.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

What other goverment housing are you suggesting?

I was thinking south of downtown, like south of Canal and around there. I'm not that familiar with the actual places, so I don't know if it could work with them.


~~~P.S. Sorry for three posts in a row, yall.~~~

[Port_of_Bama]

LOL, you're probably thinking of Nimsjus. :)



LOL, oh my bad. Thats good to hear dude.



I was at the Fairhope Pier today and the view of the bay and skyline was just mind blowing. I was thinking of how cool it would be to have an open air center right on our bay front. So im being hopeful of the Choctow Point move, One thing that I notice about my city that I love so dearly is that she has a bad habit of procrastination.

E.G : Such as the widening of Oldshell road(long over due),Widening of the 2 lane areas of Schillinger (is in great need and long over due).My point is the Port should have been moved years ago for public bay and river access.If it was moved years ago talk of hurting the maritime industry over a bridge would not exist.

[Port_of_Bama]

I was thinking south of downtown, like south of Canal and around there. I'm not that familiar with the actual places, so I don't know if it could work with them.


~~~P.S. Sorry for three posts in a row, yall.~~~



I`m thinking that the Orange Grove housing area can be better used for something else. For one it`s close to both I-10 and I-165, secondly it could motivate North downtown development and speed Bring Back Broad Street progress.

[SouthSky]

Here's a cool pic from the Press-Register covering radar testing for the LCS currently docked at the Austal pier:

http://blog.al.com/live/2009/06/large_Coast%20Guard%20jet%20over%20RSA.jpg
Photo Credit: James Durbin, Press-Register

[Verve]

Columbus isnt too bad so far. Still getting use to it but our house is awesome. It sucks not even knowing where to go get groceris or where the nearest home depot is. It's no Mobile that's for sure.

Nimsjus,

I'm not sure what part of Columbus you're located but there are a number of shopping places in the Bradley Park Blvd/ Whittlesey Road area on the northside of Columbus. Publix, Lowes, and many of the casual dining places are in that area, too. I've stayed at the Hilton Garden Inn in an office park just off of Bradley Park a number of times when visiting the city.

I hope that helps a bit.

[BlessedMobile]

^^^ No not silly at all that would be a good location and I just thought of another one .If you can remember the Smocky Bones BBQ restaurant on Airport across the street from Steinmart,Blockbuster and Pet Smart that could be a really good location as well. I keep forgetting about Legacy Village and it`s near a high income and very busy area that is near easy interstate access. So hopefuly the 2nd phase will be coming in a year and a half or so.

Though it is near easy interstate access ,when the village expand my only cnocern is traffic and traffic is already heavy as it is now in that area.

When I mention Southern Mobile along the bay you guys I was thinking around or near the Salti Air development,and areas over the draw bridge on DIP around Dog River.

Maybe Bayou Cove ? :shrug: :D

I know the guy who was trying to lease the Smokey Bones and he explains that the owners are likely to demolish it and extend the strip center which they also own. That location has never been very good for restaurants. PF Changs likes to be around style and class...none of which you will find around Chili's or the Smokey Bones. Stix in the ESC probably has an exclusive on upscale Asian food for the center. I mentioned earlier that "I KNOW" PF Chang's wants to come to Mobile as in "not Eastern Shore". I'll ask my friends with Mitchell about Legacy Village..I'll report back soon.

[CottonCity251]

I was thinking south of downtown, like south of Canal and around there. I'm not that familiar with the actual places, so I don't know if it could work with them.


~~~P.S. Sorry for three posts in a row, yall.~~~

The only public housing I know near downtown is Orange Grove which sits downtown or Roger Williams which in is Toulminville. The plans for Orange Grove, I heard, is really nice. Part of, The Renaissance, is for seniors which is nearly completed. The rest call for new mid-rise condo, and single-family homes lots off MLK near the Bottom. The original section of the housing project is being renovated townhouse style.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

I`m thinking that the Orange Grove housing area can be better used for something else. For one it`s close to both I-10 and I-165, secondly it could motivate North downtown development and speed Bring Back Broad Street progress.

Port, I agree. I would prefer something more downtowny for that area, plus a nice park and who knows what else.. It's a good amount of land. I was just stating that there is potentially available land around downtown since the question was brought up.

CottonCity, perhaps I am mistaken. I thought that there was more government housing to the south; I'll look into it.

[NitekKetin]

^I would like to see a regional zoo constructed on a portion of that land along Three Mile Creek.

[Port_of_Bama]

Zoo !!! what a great idea Nitek that would be nice.

[nimsjus]

I know the guy who was trying to lease the Smokey Bones and he explains that the owners are likely to demolish it and extend the strip center which they also own. That location has never been very good for restaurants. PF Changs likes to be around style and class...none of which you will find around Chili's or the Smokey Bones. Stix in the ESC probably has an exclusive on upscale Asian food for the center. I mentioned earlier that "I KNOW" PF Chang's wants to come to Mobile as in "not Eastern Shore". I'll ask my friends with Mitchell about Legacy Village..I'll report back soon.

I think Legacy village is probably the most likely place in Mobile for it to happpen. I would like to see one in a location like the one 5 Guys is going into at Old Shell and Mcgregor. Changs would probably like to see something on a bigger road with more traffic, but selfishly I would like one in that area because it could really jumpstart the conversion of Spring Hill into the village style thing they are going for if it was done right or went into the right building there.

I like the Zoo idea for somewhere near downtown/midtown. Montgomery and Bham both have pretty nice zoos that provide people with something to do while they are in town visting, plus locals and schools use it too. Bham's is tied into their botanical garden. It would be like if Mobile took a chunk of Langan Park near the botanical gardens and made it a zoo near SpringHill. It could be a real shot in the arm for the SpringHill Avenue/Ziegler Corridor that has started to fall off in recent years. It would also probably be beneficial to the Toulminville area along the creek if located there as mentioned earlier. I think the creek area, especially between USA Med Center and Children's and Women's/Cancer Center would be a cool place, but the surrounding neighborhood would have to be cleaned up a bit (no more shootings) before anyone will invest in that area. The "zoo" that we currently have in Wilmer/Semmes is a joke and I laugh everytimes someone calls that a zoo.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

Yes unfortunately our zoo in Wilmer isn't too great. You just have to know that the guy does all he can. I, personally, am good friends with the owner and have helped out there in the past. I say that we move it down here (Orange Grove) with nicer facilities and then add on to the collection (more exotics, endangered animals?) Even though zoos do take up a large amount of space, I think it could be incorporated into the Orange Grove area up to the creek with additional attractions (Riverwalk, stadium, Atlantic Stn type place...?).

In other news, I was downtown today. Ate at Buck's (really good, by the way), then walked down to Three George's and got a few goodies (they were doing a little work to the outside, I think adding additional smaller signs) and then walked around some more. Even for the odd time I was down there (ie not lunch-time), there were plenty of people walking around/ relaxing in the park (no, not the homeless)/ hanging out in Three George's. But here's the news: Hopjacks is open! I didn't know that they had, and I don't think anyone on here has said that they were. The menu was mostly pizza and bar food; I'll have to try it some day.

[BlessedMobile]

I think one of the problems with a zoo in downtown or near any residential area is the noise. I have heard that is a major source of complaints. Personally, I would prefer an aquarium displaying our Gulf and Delta aquatic life. We could do this easily in the downtown area on the North side where we have plenty of land. On another note, I feel certain the Orange Grove area is going to be full of Hope VI housing and a senior home; not a likely change since this belongs to the Housing Board who has already heard complaints that those who had to move out can't afford to move back in. PS..I think it is not right to look at the people who live in public housing as being a tool when talking about economic development. Getting people to move to improve their lives is one thing but not so if it is because we want the land.

[Port_of_Bama]

^^^ Blessed you`re right my friend. There is still enough land(wooded) areas around Orange Grove to develop what ever you want to. Yes we do have plaenty of land in the north to have an aquarium. The problem is Birmingham ,Montgomery ,Auburn ,and maybe Huntsville are all trying to build one. Then again they all have zoos,I believe our aquarium would be more appealing because we are on the Gulf Coast and the region,climate,and culture run hand and hand with a development such as this.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

I agree; you're right. I would never try to force them out just for the sake of development. I am just speaking hypothetically or if the housing were relocated later on. But, as Port said, there is still plenty of undeveloped land that actually could be turned into something potentially. Also, I'm not that concerned about the others cities getting aquariums. We would just make ours better :D . Really, our location and connection with the water makes it almost silly to not have one.

[Port_of_Bama]

You`re right Nouveau it would be very very silly to not !

The new court house extension is coming along pretty fine, it looks a little better than the rendering.I`m waiting on our new elaborate federal court house !

[Verve]

I think Legacy village is probably the most likely place in Mobile for it to happpen. I would like to see one in a location like the one 5 Guys is going into at Old Shell and Mcgregor. Changs would probably like to see something on a bigger road with more traffic, but selfishly I would like one in that area because it could really jumpstart the conversion of Spring Hill into the village style thing they are going for if it was done right or went into the right building there.



There's a big parcel of land (mainly parking lot) next to the Burlington end of Springdale and behind Macaroni Grill (or even next to Macaroni Grill where Hooter's used to be) that would be a good place for Changs. It would give them more visibility and higher traffic if on the Airport Blvd corridor. Legacy Village is still a good idea if the Springdale spot doesn't work. I feel that the restaurants work better when they are nearer to each other.

[NitekKetin]

^Springdale Plaza probably wouldn't be considered 'classy' or 'upscale' enough for the PF Chang's operation. That being said, I think the parking lot immediately west of Macaroni Grille, with the hulking Springdale sign in it, would be a better location for another casual dining restaurant. The old Hooter's site itself isn't big enough.

[NitekKetin]

Legacy Village doesn't have another restaurant outparcel, so PF Chang's will probably be costructed farther down Du Rhu (what does that mean) Drive. I've noticed that there is a wooded parcel of land adjacent the back of Morgan Keegan and Whitney Bank. If a high end restaurant was constructed there, it could capture the daytime office worker crowd.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

^Springdale Plaza probably wouldn't be considered 'classy' or 'upscale' enough for the PF Chang's operation. That being said, I think the parking lot immediately west of Macaroni Grille, with the hulking Springdale sign in it, would be a better location for another casual dining restaurant. The old Hooter's site itself isn't big enough.

I second that, especially since that side of Springdale is half-dead. Come to think of it, there aren't that many nice, "upscale" locations that I can think of besides Legacy Village. Maybe someone should create a new one.. downtown. :cheers:

Port, the new courthouse is looking good. I really like that plaque or whatever you want to call it. I was scared it might look too boring, but it's going to be a nice addition to the area.

Also, I got a tidbit of "inside" info. Pardon me if y'all already knew, but I learned that if the new bridge is constructed, interior lanes will be added to the Bayway. I know a lot of us were concerned about it bottlenecking and only going to the current lanes of the bayway, and wondering how it would help at all. That makes so much more sense. Also, I heard that if it's built where the mayor wants it to be built, then it will block the view of the skyline from the Eastern Shore, something I really enjoy looking at.

[NitekKetin]

^Something should be done with the old Rousso's restaurant at Fort Conde Village. I think a steakhouse was interested in the building, at one point. Perhaps PF Chang's could do an adaptive use. Wishful thinking in my part, lol.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

Yes, that area could make a fantastic area for dining and shopping, I think. It really doe have its own cool "vibe." By the way, has anything happened with the B&B(s) in there?

[BlessedMobile]

Yes, that area could make a fantastic area for dining and shopping, I think. It really doe have its own cool "vibe." By the way, has anything happened with the B&B(s) in there?

I think that is an ongoing project from Larry Posner the developer. He has talked about the B&B for years. I remember him proudly showing me the rendering about 3 years ago. Bob Baumhower has the old Roussos's...go figure what he will do with it....Wings anyone?

[CottonCity251]

I think that is an ongoing project from Larry Posner the developer. He has talked about the B&B for years. I remember him proudly showing me the rendering about 3 years ago. Bob Baumhower has the old Roussos's...go figure what he will do with it....Wings anyone?

That will fit in nicely downtown.

[Port_of_Bama]

Wings downtown, oh yeah !!

Tha Fort Conde Village would also be a nice spot for Changs as well, I saw one complete B&B in that area. Fort Conde has a very strong vibe to it ,it`s very cultural !!!

I`m glad to hear that the bay will be having additional lanes,the view of downtown from the Fairhope Pier is nice.

Oh yeah does anyone know of or have any renderings of what the new Unity Park at the intersection of Broad and Springhill will look like ?

At first I thought it was going to have a water display, but now it looks like they are going to place a statue in the park. I hope it will a nice color theme at night.

I drove down the south side of Broad and it`s funny how a median with magnolias or what ever they are could just completely change an area around. That part of Broad is looking good,now it`s time to move on in progress with the other half of Broad.

[BuenaVista]

Wings downtown, oh yeah !!

Tha Fort Conde Village would also be a nice spot for Changs as well, I saw one complete B&B in that area. Fort Conde has a very strong vibe to it ,it`s very cultural !!!

I`m glad to hear that the bay will be having additional lanes,the view of downtown from the Fairhope Pier is nice.

Oh yeah does anyone know of or have any renderings of what the new Unity Park at the intersection of Broad and Springhill will look like ?

At first I thought it was going to have a water display, but now it looks like they are going to place a statue in the park. I hope it will a nice color theme at night.

I drove down the south side of Broad and it`s funny how a median with magnolias or what vere they are could just completely change an area around. That part of Broad is looking good,now it`s time to move on in progress with the other half of Broad.


We need to thank Palmer Hamilton for the Broad Street improvements. He is working on getting the "interstate" directional signs that span Broad, Government and Spring Hill Avenues removed. ALDOT does not want them removed, of course!

[NitekKetin]

^Those sign bridge assemblies, along with the titled concrete pavement, give Broad Street a gritty industrial nature. They've been there for more than 25 years. I'll personally miss them when they are eventually dismantled. I should snag a few panels for my collection.

[BuenaVista]

I was downtown tonight and drove up St. Francis looking for the site of the demolished building. That was the old House of Specialties building. In my opinion it is no loss for the city. I could see that they had salvaged the old brick. I can tell you for sure that the inside looked like a rundown rental house the last time I was there. With the adjacent parking lot and the land of the building there is at least room to build something much better. I don't know what is planned for the site.

It IS a loss to the historic fabric of Downtown Mobile

[Port_of_Bama]

Well it makes since to not remove them, I just think the signs could look different.


I`m thinking the structures that are holding the signs could be replaced or colered blue and green you know the wave colors ,also the signs could go digital !

[BuenaVista]

^Those sign bridge assemblies, along with the titled concrete pavement, give Broad Street a gritty industrial nature. They've been there for more than 25 years. I'll personally miss them when they are eventually dismantled. I should snag a few panels for my collection.

I am not so sure that a former residential street on the way back up needs a gritty, industrial aura. A paved center lane certainly gave that feeling- I thank the landscaped center medians are a vast improvement!

[Port_of_Bama]

Since the south side of Borad is more residentual and had oak trees to compliment the new magnolia medians. I think the North should have king palms planted in the median because there are no oaks on the side. The signs could always be placed on the left and right side of both directions instead. More like the tourist directional signs downtown,if not I say go digital. I could also see brown stone type apartments on Broad.

[NitekKetin]

^I like the idea of King Palms. To add to that, that other pocket park at the Dauphin/St. Francis/Broad intersection should be overhauled and feature more vegetation. Oh yes, the homeless/whinos/crackheads of Downtown will be surely impressed. j/k :)

[CottonCity251]

^I like the idea of King Palms. To add to that, that other pocket park at the Dauphin/St. Francis/Broad intersection should be overhauled and feature more vegetation. Oh yes, the homeless/whinos/crackheads of Downtown will be surely impressed. j/k :)

I agree about the little pocket park. Looks like its going to be all concrete surrounded by concrete. Hope it has some shade, if not it'll be pretty toasty these days...its been hot as hell and its just begun!

Pass by the courthouse annex today on my way back from the Original Oyster House and I really like the bulding...can't wait til its finish.

Oh yea, about a Changs location one thing we do know we'll travel from a far to eat what we want. So where ever it goes, if its as good as yall say, it'll do fine. Let just get one first!

[BuenaVista]

Development Buzz


Much speculation still surrounds the Retirement Systems of Alabama's plans for the former AmSouth Building, including the meaning of its new name: the GM Building. We're told exciting renovation plans are still being developed and hopefully Dr. David Bronner will reveal his vision when he addresses the annual meeting of the Downtown Mobile Alliance in September (see the related article below).

Meanwhile, major announcements continue to set a remarkable pace in Downtown Mobile. Birmingham hotel developer Mike Cowart, who finished the new Hampton Inn in record time, has announced his plans for the site of the American National Building at St. Joseph and St. Louis Streets. Once again in partnership with the Edmonds family, he'll be building an 81-room Candlewood Suites Hotel, designed for the extended stay business traveler. He plans to break ground in early August, and if experience is any indication, business travelers will be able to rest their weary heads well before the end of next year. The project will feature such energy saving innovations as a solar-heated saltwater pool and solar panels to help heat water used by hotel staff.

[Port_of_Bama]

^^^ I hope that building get a glass exterior.

[bayou15]

he'll be building an 81-room Candlewood Suites Hotel



WTF?http://www.mbkfa.com/phpBB/images/smilies/puke.gif


Waste of infill space between the RSA Tower and the bank building. Well at least another park wasnt mention !:cheers:

[SouthSky]

Development Buzz


Much speculation still surrounds the Retirement Systems of Alabama's plans for the former AmSouth Building, including the meaning of its new name: the GM Building. We're told exciting renovation plans are still being developed and hopefully Dr. David Bronner will reveal his vision when he addresses the annual meeting of the Downtown Mobile Alliance in September (see the related article below).

Meanwhile, major announcements continue to set a remarkable pace in Downtown Mobile. Birmingham hotel developer Mike Cowart, who finished the new Hampton Inn in record time, has announced his plans for the site of the American National Building at St. Joseph and St. Louis Streets. Once again in partnership with the Edmonds family, he'll be building an 81-room Candlewood Suites Hotel, designed for the extended stay business traveler. He plans to break ground in early August, and if experience is any indication, business travelers will be able to rest their weary heads well before the end of next year. The project will feature such energy saving innovations as a solar-heated saltwater pool and solar panels to help heat water used by hotel staff.

Where did you get this information?

[BuenaVista]

Where did you get this information?

Carol Hunter with the Downtown Improvement District, of which i am a member

[BuenaVista]

WTF?http://www.mbkfa.com/phpBB/images/smilies/puke.gif


Waste of infill space between the RSA Tower and the bank building. Well at least another park wasnt mention !:cheers:


The propsed hotel is three blocks from the RSA tower! I believe the hotel itself would be called infill! Odd comment

[BuenaVista]

I agree about the little pocket park. Looks like its going to be all concrete surrounded by concrete. Hope it has some shade, if not it'll be pretty toasty these days...its been hot as hell and its just begun!

Pass by the courthouse annex today on my way back from the Original Oyster House and I really like the bulding...can't wait til its finish.

Oh yea, about a Changs location one thing we do know we'll travel from a far to eat what we want. So where ever it goes, if its as good as yall say, it'll do fine. Let just get one first!


the vacant land at Dauphin/ St. Francis and Broad is scheduled to become a park. the only thing lacking is funding.

[SouthSky]

Carol Hunter with the Downtown Improvement District, of which i am a member

Great... when do you think they will release this information publicly?

[BuenaVista]

Great... when do you think they will release this information publicly?

Here is the link to their site. You do not have to own a business downtown to join- they have various categories of membership:
http://www.downtownmobile.org/membership.html


http://www.downtownmobile.org/news.html?category=Downtown%20Alliance%20News

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

BuenaVista, you beat me to it. I was going to post that info. :hell:

But, on a more serious note, how large would an 81 room hotel be? I can't really picture it, but I'm thinking not too tall? At least it's going to be (at least partially) green! :tup:

[Port_of_Bama]

I hope it`s atleast a 12 story midrise.

[NitekKetin]

Candlewood Suites appears to be a quality brand, so it's not like they're introducing a potential Budget Inn in the heart of the City's business district. Besides, an increase in the number of hotel rooms Downtown can only be a good thing...right? Hopefully, this development will feature some ground-level restaurant/retail space.

[bayou15]

https://mymotels.com/propertyimages/331614/candlewood_suites_tuscaloosa_exterior_tuscaloosa_unitedstates.jpg




Yeah, i can see it helping our skyline

[BlessedMobile]

It IS a loss to the historic fabric of Downtown Mobile

I don't think that "old" entitles a building to contribute to the "historic fabric" of Mobile. That place was nothing more than a facade; there was nothing inside that even remotely could be thought to have any architectural or cultural significance. Surely, even a replica of a real historic looking building would be an improvement over what that place showed. Sometimes the new stuff is better than the old stuff even if the old stuff has experience.

[bayou15]

The propsed hotel is three blocks from the RSA tower! I believe the hotel itself would be called infill! Odd comment


Was talking about the overview of Downtown's skyline. Wish it was taller than proposed!




Odd Comment? ......Thanks ! Im an odd person:goodnight:

[BlessedMobile]

Was talking about the overview of Downtown's skyline. Wish it was taller than proposed!




Odd Comment? ......Thanks ! Im an odd person:goodnight:

You got that right Bayou. The Hyatt Place rumored to be coming to the same location would have been six stories...this thing has only 3 and is part of a small chain. Check out the Wikipedia on them. This should say it all. That is prime property for something this small.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candlewood_Suites

[bayou15]

Jacksonville's bridge ,lit up, looks good! But will the old Mobilians geaux for it?

http://snarkybytes.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/jacksonville-bridge-night.jpg


http://www.reedislandhoa.net/images/jacksonville-night_shot_of_main_st_bridge.jpg

[NitekKetin]

https://mymotels.com/propertyimages/331614/candlewood_suites_tuscaloosa_exterior_tuscaloosa_unitedstates.jpg




Yeah, i can see it helping our skyline

Forget the skyline, actual block development/density is a higher priority. There needs to be more activity at the ground level. I couldn't care less about some stupid 800 foot tall skyscraper if it is setback 1,000 feet from the streetfront and surrounded by a banal concrete sculptural garden.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

Sure, but that thing just doesn't look at home in our downtown. Add a couple stories, at least, and give it architectual interest and balconies. Put a couple shops (more likely restaraunts) on the ground level. You're good to go.

[NitekKetin]

^The architecture will probably be modified to fit in with the area's historical context. I doubt they will drop a standard cookie-cutter suburban box in Downtown. I don't think we have any hotels/motels like that within the Hank Aaron Loop.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

I hope you're right. But, then again, when new houses were built south of downtown, just before you hit canal, they built them to look like new houses, like the ones in West Mobile. That made me a little mad. Let's hope something like that doesn't happen again.

[NitekKetin]

^If I'm picturing the site correctly, then this project is essentially a renovation of an existing modern building.

[BuenaVista]

I hope you're right. But, then again, when new houses were built south of downtown, just before you hit canal, they built them to look like new houses, like the ones in West Mobile. That made me a little mad. Let's hope something like that doesn't happen again.


The MLK development director, has said that any new houses will reflect the architecture of the Camp Hill neighborhood

[Port_of_Bama]

That thing is ugly I hope they do modify it !! To see more hotels being built downtown surely is a good sign. I would rather see a Hyatt downtown than that but any development downtown is good to me.

[BuenaVista]

^If I'm picturing the site correctly, then this project is essentially a renovation of an existing modern building.

the old American National Bank has been torn down- nothing on the site now

[Port_of_Bama]

The MLK development director, has said that any new houses will reflect the architecture of the Camp Hill neighborhood




I`ve read in one article that the old Camp Hill neighborhood still has some of the shot gun houses (free slaves or just slaves can`t remember which one ) are still standing today.




Bayou : It`s not about the old Mobilians anymore and there closed way of thinking ! Jacksonville`s sky line isn`t all that grand for a city or metro it`s size and that bridge did much for it. Our bridge will be taller and more grand and it will be a great addition to our skyline.

No offense to Jacksonville just an opinion

[nimsjus]

I definitely think any new bridge has to be lit and be a focal point for the skyline. I just wasnt a fan of Mayor Jones suggestion to light it like RSA in multicolored, color changing lights. I think we have enough of that for now.
I don't mind the bridge in Jville, but ours will be MUCH taller so I don't know how comparable that is.
As for that hotel, Im pretty sure they will so something that at least sort of fits in downtown. It is the same developers that did the Hampton Inn and the city required them to be sensitive to the historic nature of downtown. I think they did a pretty good job. Noone would walk by and think that had always been on that corner, but it doesn't look to modern (I think it is pretty awesome there).
And CampHill definitely still has some original structures. Part of the mayors plan is to try to get that area/Africatown designate as a historic district. In order for a district to be recognized it must have more than 50% of its original structures and can only have so much vacant land, so obviously there must be a pretty good many old structures over that way for them to try to puch this.

[NitekKetin]

But.....leik Mobi1e needz m0r3 towerz. LOLZ XD!1111!

[NitekKetin]

Seriously, what the Downtown area needs to improve upon is the parking situation. We need more aesthetically pleasing parking structures throughout the CBD, to handle the demand for parking. Developments could incorporate multi-level structures that feature quality ground-level commercial spaces.

[BlessedMobile]

Tonight, the wife and I went down to Serda's for a nice after dinner coffee. While walking along Royal Street I got a good look at the view from the Van Antwerp Building as seen from the Corner of Dauphin and Royal. This has got to be the best view you can get of the main CBD and waterfront. That place just screams "make me condos". Please, one of you with millions to spare, renovate the Van Antwerp and make it the the premier downtown address it should be. Any takers?

[bayou15]

Forget the skyline, actual block development/density is a higher priority. There needs to be more activity at the ground level. I couldn't care less about some stupid 800 foot tall skyscraper if it is setback 1,000 feet from the streetfront and surrounded by a banal concrete sculptural garden.





Ok..........And what is the name of this web site?


I couldn't care less about some stupid 800 foot tall skyscraper

U meant could care less?


On the bridge, i neaux Mobile's will be taller, i was thinking about the color scheme:tup:

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

Yes, there are still riginal shot guns down there.

I agree about a bridge, let's hold off on anything multicolored for right now. I uniform blue or green or something would be nice.

Blessed, if only I could... :yes:

As for parking, I've actually never had much of a problem finding a spot downtown. Of course, though, as traffic increases down there, and more development happens, parking will need to be addressed, as will asthetically pleasing structures.

[BlessedMobile]

Yes, there are still riginal shot guns down there.

I agree about a bridge, let's hold off on anything multicolored for right now. I uniform blue or green or something would be nice.

Blessed, if only I could... :yes:

As for parking, I've actually never had much of a problem finding a spot downtown. Of course, though, as traffic increases down there, and more development happens, parking will need to be addressed, as will asthetically pleasing structures.

Where exactly is this Camp Hill? Name a few of the streets in the area. I want to go have a look. Nouv...you see the potential of that building. Get some of your rich friends and relatives to make it happen. For all your hard work and effort you will get the penthouse suite.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

I'm not familiar with the "Camp Hill" area either, but I know where there are shot guns, so maybe I know the area but not the name.

Hmm, if only I was in with the richer crowds. A penthouse in that building sounds pretty good, I could have Serda's every morning. :tup: Surely someone will grab it up when everything picks back up.. which should be fairly soon for us apparently.

[NitekKetin]

Ok..........And what is the name of this web site?




U meant could care less?


On the bridge, i neaux Mobile's will be taller, i was thinking about the color scheme:tup:

No, I don't mean 'I could care less'. If I say that, that implies that I have some degree of care towards the subject I'm actually against.

Don't let the name of the site fool you, as it is a community discussion for all aspects of the built environment.....not just skyscrapers.

[Port_of_Bama]

Where exactly is this Camp Hill? Name a few of the streets in the area. I want to go have a look. Nouv...you see the potential of that building. Get some of your rich friends and relatives to make it happen. For all your hard work and effort you will get the penthouse suite.



Camp Hill is also know as Camp Ground. I know of a few ways to get to it,If you take MLK Avenue west on the left side like the Bishop State side is considerd Camp Hill. Springhill Avenue going downtown at 5 points(near the closed Churches Chicken) just make a left on Ann street and it will also take you into Camp Hill.You will also see a sign that says Welcome to the Camp Hill historic district. Also you can just take Govt st east and make a left on Ann street north just keep going straight once you cross Springhill Avenue past the closed Churches Chicken then your in Camp Hill.


I hope that helps !



Speaking of Van Antwerp did you guys know that, that building is the first skyscraper in the south east and was the tallest in the south east. I see Mobile has a history of building the tallest in Alabama !!


Guys Bayou mean no harm he`s just a skyscraper maniac thats all .:haha:

[BlessedMobile]

Camp Hill is also know as Camp Ground. I know of a few ways to get to it,If you take MLK Avenue west on the left side like the Bishop State side is considerd Camp Hill. Springhill Avenue going downtown at 5 points(near the closed Churches Chicken) just make a left on Ann street and it will also take you into Camp Hill.You will also see a sign that says Welcome to the Camp Hill historic district. Also you can just take Govt st east and make a left on Ann street north just keep going straight once you cross Springhill Avenue past the closed Churches Chicken then your in Camp Hill.


I hope that helps !



Speaking of Van Antwerp did you guys know that, that building is the first skyscraper in the south east and was the tallest in the south east. I see Mobile has a history of building the tallest in Alabama !!


Guys Bayou mean no harm he`s just a skyscraper maniac thats all .:haha:

yea, yea...I know where it is now. I have been to Franklin's Medical Mall many times and, of course, Bishop State. I can see the value of getting a historic designation as the residents could then qualify for some low interest loans for home improvements, etc. I'll take the neighborhood tour next time I am in the area. Thanks.

[BlessedMobile]

Forget the skyline, actual block development/density is a higher priority. There needs to be more activity at the ground level. I couldn't care less about some stupid 800 foot tall skyscraper if it is setback 1,000 feet from the streetfront and surrounded by a banal concrete sculptural garden.

"banal concrete sculptural garden"....is that like expensive yard art? I know the really expensive stuff is the bronze statues like at USA Children's and Women's Hospital. :D

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

OK, that's where I figured it was; hopefully it can become an official historic district.

Yes, that fact about the Van Antwerp is just one more reason for it to be fixed up. I suppose I could at least look through my address book, Blessed.. :tup:

And hey, there's nothing wrong with having the tower fever. I think I have a little of it in my system. :jester:

Lastly, another great Market on the Square. Lots of people, good music, tasty local food. Topped off with some coffee from Serda's, it was a very nice outing. I wonder if it could ever become more permanent (the market)? Maybe start having it on Sunday as well as Saturday to start off and see how it goes?

[Port_of_Bama]

yeah thers nothing like that downtown atmosphere, and for some reason when i`m downtown no matter what time of the year I can feel the spirit of Mardi Gra.

I would love to see some of those ugly surface parking lots raise. The one that is behind the police precinct, and another one on goverment street right near the 1713 Mobile City Limit historic marker.

The new Court house annex building is a great addition to Govt st. I love to see city density to the point a city feels heavy.

Mobile has more density (structuraly)than most or if not all the cities that are simular in size. Cities like Baton Rouge,Shreveport,Jackson,Montgomery,Huntsville and others.

[CottonCity251]

Camp Hill is also know as Camp Ground. I know of a few ways to get to it,If you take MLK Avenue west on the left side like the Bishop State side is considerd Camp Hill. Springhill Avenue going downtown at 5 points(near the closed Churches Chicken) just make a left on Ann street and it will also take you into Camp Hill.You will also see a sign that says Welcome to the Camp Hill historic district. Also you can just take Govt st east and make a left on Ann street north just keep going straight once you cross Springhill Avenue past the closed Churches Chicken then your in Camp Hill.


I hope that helps !



Speaking of Van Antwerp did you guys know that, that building is the first skyscraper in the south east and was the tallest in the south east. I see Mobile has a history of building the tallest in Alabama !!


Guys Bayou mean no harm he`s just a skyscraper maniac thats all .:haha:

It is the Campground Historic District...never heard of or known it as Camp Hill. From wikipedia, it was placed on the National Register of Historic Places on July 7, 2005. It is roughly bounded by Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue, Rylands Street, St. Stephens Road, and Ann Street. The district covers 370 acres and contains 166 contributing buildings. The buildings range in age from the late 19th century to the middle 20th century. Most of the shotguns are right behind the old Church's at Spring Hill and Ann. MLK Redevelopment Inc. has built many new homes in the Campground and the Bottom.

[Randallg223]

I've been Downtown two days in a row, and the traffic both auto and foot has been heavy. The vibe is totally changing. Looking north on Royal St. from Gov't, it's starting to look dense. With the addition of the Candlewood Suites it just add's to the density. Even though it will only be four stories, everything helps. Once we recover from this economic down turn, my hope is that some investor's (David Bronner, RSA) will have the vision that we all do and build a highrise living tower, somewhere in the 25 - 30 stories range. Once you get enough people living downtown the retail will follow. Also the city needs to do everything possible to get two cruise ships, and then make it easy for the cruiser's to get to CBD. This would just add to the foot traffic. Downtown's across the nation are making comebacks, and highend retailers love to be in thriving, hip and urban area's. I really believe Mobile is on the right track. I can't wait to see the results.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

yeah thers nothing like that downtown atmosphere, and for some reason when i`m downtown no matter what time of the year I can feel the spirit of Mardi Gra.

Maybe that's because of the Mardi Gras beads in the trees/ power lines. :haha:

I would love to see some of those ugly surface parking lots raise. The one that is behind the police precinct

Is that the one that is behind Spot of Tea as well?

Randall, it's true about how much has changed. People are always walking and going about their busiess even at not peak hours. That goes for businesses and infill as well. If you haven't seen downtown in a couple years, you're behind the times. If you haven't seen it in 10 years, you would be absolutely shocked at the difference. I love watching downtown grow and improve and I can' wait to see what it will look like 10, 20, 30 years from now!

[Port_of_Bama]

I believe the city should focus on rebuilding the CBD before anything else. It is vital for revenue ,quality of life ,entertainment and everything esle,not that there not I just believe before they decide to promote anything to the city downtown should be looked at first.

[Port_of_Bama]

LOL about the beads but very true and yes i`m talking about that ugly thing behind spot of tea it`s an eye sore !!!

I can just see what downtown will be in 5 years !!

I see our friend Randall had mention about density,and I agree with you my friend downtown is starting to look heavy and Royal street is not the Royal street I can remember back in 2005. I remeber seeing a cool rendering of a pedestrian bridge for cruise goers.

Nouveu:Thats why I try my best to promote downtown living on that other site becasue downtown is safe and it`s thriving and I have no doubt if we were not in a recession. A lot more would be going on downtown, but we have people from Eastern Shore telling others that downtown is a piece of a 3rd world country.:hell:

[phoenixboi08]

This is an office tower recently constructed in Phoenix, AZ...I'd love this idea adapted for the AMSouth building...the crown is still a feature, but not too much so...

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=137527&page=41

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

Nouveu:Thats why I try my best to promote downtown living on that other site becasue downtown is safe and it`s thriving and I have no doubt if we were not in a recession. A lot more would be going on downtown, but we have people from Eastern Shore telling others that downtown is a piece of a 3rd world country.:hell:

I know, and I also try to promote downtown living and playing. Why do people have such bad impressions of downtown and sometimes Mobile in general? :koko: I guess it's up to us to spread the truth about our city.

Phoenix, that looks pretty good. Subtle but not too boring.

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

Not Mobile, but fairly close nonetheless.

Major development planned around Lulu's restaurant

http://www.al.com/business/press-register/insider.ssf?/base/business/1245575704259190.xml&coll=3

Now he plans to parlay Lulu's destination status by surrounding the eatery with a 250-room hotel, five-story parking deck, 1,000-seat conference center and a casual fine dining restaurant, retail and office space on Ala. 59 and East 29th Avenue. A new ferry terminal, with room for two high-speed vessels, might eventually take 250 passengers to Biloxi casinos and bring them back again.

He would also like to put a lighthouse, similar to the Middle Bay Lighthouse in Mobile Bay, near the existing marina, and have a bar and deck extend from the lighthouse to the casual fine dining restaurant, which will be located under the Holmes bridge.

Ferry service to Biloxi? Lighthouse? Pretty "ambitious" plans. Wonder if it will happen..

[Electrical Porpoise]

Ill never understand the appeal of spending a weekend on "the ditch."

[nouveau_Mauvilla]

Ill never understand the appeal of spending a weekend on "the ditch."

Hah! That's what my family calls it to. But really, why wouldn't you stay on the beach side?

[Electrical Porpoise]

Hah! That's what my family calls it to. But really, why wouldn't you stay on the beach side?
Absolutely no idea. Money wise there isnt a difference once you add up fuel, groceries, misc., etc. Everybody is different I guess.

[Port_of_Bama]

A little economic expansion at Evonik Chemical Plant in Theodore.
http://www.al.com/business/press-register/index.ssf?/base/business/1245489338121450.xml&coll=3


Reading this article especially at the end, I see Riley is very concerned with the economy in Mobile.
http://www.al.com/business/press-register/index.ssf?/base/business/124540297322830.xml&coll=3


Good to see Austal will be adding on as well.
http://www.al.com/business/press-register/index.ssf?/base/business/1245489361121450.xml&coll=3


Phoenix: I can see that on the Amsouth tower, I always invisoned lights running from top to bottom on all 4 corners. With the litted top that would be a good look for Amsouth.

[BuenaVista]

It is the Campground Historic District...never heard of or known it as Camp Hill. From wikipedia, it was placed on the National Register of Historic Places on July 7, 2005. It is roughly bounded by Martin Luther King Jr. Avenue, Rylands Street, St. Stephens Road, and Ann Street. The district covers 370 acres and contains 166 contributing buildings. The buildings range in age from the late 19th century to the middle 20th century. Most of the shotguns are right behind the old Church's at Spring Hill and Ann. MLK Redevelopment Inc. has built many new homes in the Campground and the Bottom.

My bad- I meant Camp Ground.

[BuenaVista]

yeah thers nothing like that downtown atmosphere, and for some reason when i`m downtown no matter what time of the year I can feel the spirit of Mardi Gra.

I would love to see some of those ugly surface parking lots raise. The one that is behind the police precinct, and another one on goverment street right near the 1713 Mobile City Limit historic marker.

The new Court house annex building is a great addition to Govt st. I love to see city density to the point a city feels heavy.

Mobile has more density (structuraly)than most or if not all the cities that are simular in size. Cities like Baton Rouge,Shreveport,Jackson,Montgomery,Huntsville and others.

The new Courthouse Annex may be providing density, but it sure ain't providing good architecutre- the cornice is a travesty, and a pediment that sticks out a foot beyond the pilasters at each side on the main area behind Dr. Levert's Office/ Bar Assoication Building is against every architectural principle. And the county logo slapped in the middle of it all!

If you are going to play the classical game, than you need to play by the rules. If you are going to go postmodern, than do that, but do not try to mix the two, which is what is apparently going on here. You will only end up with a disaster.

A really good example of modern architecture with a Mobile twist was demolished in favor of this behemoth- what a crying shame!

[bayou15]

Guess that condo tower is geauxing to look out of place! ,sitting next to da annex!http://www.mediaarchitecture.org/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/130387223_837b6e5040.jpg

:breakcomp:

[Bayside]

I heard Reggie Copeland speak the other day. He said that the old CSX property on Water Street is now owned by a California bank. The bank has approached the city about selling it to the city. Copeland said that he and Sam Jones think it would be a good location for a parking garage. It would service the convention center, the proposed maritime museum, etc. I suppose it could be used for overflow cruise parking as well.

In this economic climate, it looks like as good a use for it as any.