[1ajs]

i know several plp who lost money in it... including the famous orlandeeny.. spelling... (he owned borelis books) he will not live long enuff to get whats left of his money......





anyhow ukrainian wtf you guys ok then... lets see i went to ralph brown... took the ukrian bylingual program... could not rap my brain around the alaphabit in grade 4... so i got tossed outa it and at the same time had french being shoved down my throte... so all i lernd was english good at reading it and spelling as you guys know is messed.....

plan to one day take a crack at ukranian again...

[vid]

ю кан'т рид кириллица?

[1ajs]

no i can't read that

[vid]

тоо бад :(

[1ajs]

тоо бад :(

vid now your just playing with letters....... to make it say to bad.......

Aдran <<<

[Greco Roman]

The Ukranian alphabet is quite easy to read, if you take the time to learn it. I can read every word of Ukranian. Now I just need to know what most of those words mean and then everything will be great. :cool:

[Xelebes]

That's not the Ukrainian alphabet. The Ukrainian alphabet has an extra few accented characters much like the Danish alphabet. The standard Cyrillic alphabet found in the character map is used in Russian.

[Greco Roman]

I was just refering to the fact that some people think the slavic dialect is difficult to learn. I have tried Japanese in highschool and gave up on it quickly, because I think that it, along with other asian dialects, are difficult. Perhaps one day when I have more patience............

[Xelebes]

Dialect?

[Greco Roman]

Sorry. Somehow my previous thread got really messed up. I fixed it now.

[Xelebes]

Oh, you mean alphabet.

[Greco Roman]

Oh, you mean alphabet.


Yeah. A dialect would be a grouping of languages that use similar alphabets. :)

[Xelebes]

No, a dialect is a variation within a language. Like Newfie or Kentish. We have a language family, but that's the closest we got for a single word for something like that.

[Greco Roman]

No, a dialect is a variation within a language. Like Newfie or Kentish. We have a language family, but that's the closest we got for a single word for something like that.

I went to check out the definition, and you are right. I thought it had to do with the alphabet. My bad.

Wow; a few drinks in me and I sound like a retard, lol.

[Xelebes]

Yeah, for example, I think there is like 10 dialects of Ukrainian or something including the Canadian dialect. Many will look at you weird if you use the words кар or еес креем in the Ukraine.

[Brokenhead]

Winnipeg Sun

Forget spring vote
By TOM BRODBECK
Wed, February 28, 2007

Premier Gary Doer is going to have to re-think his strategy on when to call the next provincial election after a Crocus bombshell fell on him and his administration last week.

What seemed like a near-certain spring election call is now in jeopardy as Doer scrambles to figure out how to minimize the damage caused by the recent Crocus revelations.

Doer knows how to talk his way out of a lot of things.

He's pretty good at it. Or maybe we're just dumb.

Whatever the case, he's going to have great difficulty explaining to the electorate why he failed to correct the problems surrounding a failing Crocus Investment Fund in 2000, allowing 34,000 investors to lose millions in retirement savings.

So much so that it may push the date of an election to the fall -- maybe longer.

It's a tough call for Doer. Does he go in April or May and hedge his bets that the recent damning information about Crocus isn't enough to stop him from winning a third straight majority government?

Or does he wait six months and hope the story cools off over the summer?

The Crocus scandal was going to hurt Doer's electoral fortunes either way. You can't bungle a fund as badly as these guys did and hurt that many people financially without paying a price at the polls.

But until we learned last week that this thing went all the way to Doer's office and to cabinet, the political damage did have some limits.

When the Crocus story first broke in 2004 and 2005, Doer had plausible deniability that he wasn't aware of the full extent of Crocus' problems in the years leading up to its demise.

But now all bets are off.

And a spring election may be off, too.

The Doer government has been trying every which way since Friday to kill this story. But it's not going away.

Yesterday, Finance Minister Greg Selinger tried to convince reporters the whole story is a hoax because his office found out the auditor general's office had a copy of the cabinet document in question when they did their 2005 probe.

And, according to Selinger's pretzel logic, somehow that means Doer and his cabinet should not be held accountable for their colossal mistakes on this file.

The reality is, whether the auditor general had this cabinet document or not is a moot point.

It doesn't change the fact that until last week, the public didn't know Doer was fully briefed on the Crocus crisis as far back as 2000 -- and that he did nothing about it.

Now they do.

It wasn't reported in the auditor general's report, largely because the AG focussed mostly on what went wrong with the fund.

I asked Selinger yesterday if he would release to the public all cabinet documents from 2000 to 2004, when the fund crashed.

He refused. If he truly had nothing to hide, why wouldn't he be prepared to show the public all correspondence that went to cabinet on Crocus?

I think we all know the answer to that.

Until last week, I would have said a spring election was a near certainty.

But after the discovery of last week's smoking gun, I'm not so sure.

[Brokenhead]

An website the NDP put up to attack Hugh Fayden -

http://www.whoishugh.ca/

[newflyer]

VOTE OUT THE NDP.....


or watch Manitoba continue to fall. :(

[Marc B.]

An website the NDP put up to attack Hugh Fayden -

http://www.whoishugh.ca/

That's cheap. I think I got a little dumber just by looking at it.

[vid]

How long until the Tories accuse Doer of being a reptilian kitten eater from another planet? :shrug:

[jimj_wpg]

An website the NDP put up to attack Hugh Fayden -

http://www.whoishugh.ca/

They painted Hugh blue.... makes him look like a Smurf...

I like Smurfs, so this has not changed my view.

[Lee_Haber8]

How long until the Tories accuse Doer of being a reptilian kitten eater from another planet? :shrug:

I'm guessing it would be the other way around since the Tories are the challengers in this election

[Only The Lonely..]

I'm guessing another 4 more years of mediocrity..

[Brokenhead]

For those who have not found this on the website:

http://www.whoishugh.ca/translator.html

I little translater thing.


Did the NDP have to go this far? Hope it backfires on them.

The only thing I don't like is renaming MB Hydro to "Manitoba Clean Energy Company".

[The Jabroni]

For those who have not found this on the website:

http://www.whoishugh.ca/translator.html

I little translater thing.


Did the NDP have to go this far? Hope it backfires on them.

The only thing I don't like is renaming MB Hydro to "Manitoba Clean Energy Company".

Gosh, that sounds so cheesy, it would catch on renaming to "The Clean Energy Co." Hell I call that they should just rename it to "The Electric Company" instead. Perhaps then we'd teach our children how to watch TV, electricute themselves, and get high on mushrooms or something. :rolleyes:

[newflyer]

I'm guessing another 4 more years of mediocrity..

You must have a low view of mediocrity.

How about 4 more years of a timeout of Manitoba's economy.

AT least Manitoba has a business friendly mayor in Winnipeg.. should offset the do nothings on Broadway.. hopefully.

[Only The Lonely..]

See my problem isn't with the NDP per se. It's with the current leadership.

In my view the NDP could still be a progressive left leaning party, albeit a little more akin to the Greens.

Any of these ideas could easily be a part of the NDP platform.

1.) Building some forum of LRT/ BRT which would help the poor (the people who are most likely to use transit), and reduce pollution (the Wolsely crowd would be happy)

2.) Remove PST on locally produced goods, encourage Manitoban's to buy local (again environmentalists would be happy, ditto for local business)

3.) Although this is probably more likely to happen at the city level, encourage some form of 'green box' residential compost program.

4.) Rapidly develop our Hydro / Wind power generating capacity

5.) Saying no to continued sprawl, and yes to mixed use development in the inner city

6.) Remove the tuition freeze, but fully refund student tuition if the student goes on to work and live in Manitoba.

These are just some rough ideas, but I believe all of them could work under the banner of socialism.

[newflyer]

See my problem isn't with the NDP per se. It's with the current leadership.

In my view the NDP could still be a progressive left leaning party, albeit a little more akin to the Greens.

Any of these ideas could easily be a part of the NDP platform.

1.) Building some forum of LRT/ BRT which would help the poor (the people who are most likely to use transit), and reduce pollution (the Wolsely crowd would be happy)

2.) Remove PST on locally produced goods, encourage Manitoban's to buy local (again environmentalists would be happy, ditto for local business)

3.) Although this is probably more likely to happen at the city level, encourage some form of 'green box' residential compost program.

4.) Rapidly develop our Hydro / Wind power generating capacity

5.) Saying no to continued sprawl, and yes to mixed use development in the inner city

6.) Remove the tuition freeze, but fully refund student tuition if the student goes on to work and live in Manitoba.

These are just some rough ideas, but I believe all of them could work under the banner of socialism.

... but still little focus on economic expansion .. which keeps the ball moving. By limiting private investment the prospect of revitalizing downtown is next to done.

I do like your forgivness of tuition .. although maybe making the provincial portion of student loans forgivabe for each year the graduating student is employeed within Manitoba.
The only down side is that there are many students who are forced to move, becuase of a lack of local quality professional jobs. So in this way it would be unfair to be forced to live in a backwater economy, if you honestly could get nothing worthwhile at home to match there education. Alas the socialism reailty far outweighs the fantasy. I really doubt Jonny will take that job at Tim Hortons after graduating, just to get a free or discounted education.

Most people who leave Manitoba don't want to, but are forced to move due to a lack of opportunity. Ask the NDP why there is no focus on opportunities fo the youth. Better yet ask the short-sighted studend union why they don't place any focus on opportunities for the graduates. I guess they are too busy trying to expand the welfare state to notice that graduating students will need jobs.

No lets focus on expanding the local economy so all grads can find quality jobs on completion without moving away. Thus having the payoff of getting a quality education which would far exceed the cost of paying what it costs to get that education. Quality isn't cheap .. forgien concept to many Manitobans.

Education is an investment in the future.. and should never be confused with some form of welfare.

In the meantime Manitiba students are receiving a lower quality education becuase of universities which are sorely lacking funds. Socialism is a one way ticket to a declining future.

Time to kick the NDP out .. allow Universities to restore funding. Create a stronger economy so students are able to stay in Manitoba after graduating.

I also like removing PST... but on all goods, so all local retailers could benefit. The PST taxation impacts retailers much more than manufacturers. The more demand for retail, the less empty store fronts.

Hey ideas like that might expand the tax base ... :rolleyes: ... and create more jobs. More jobs??? ....

[Only The Lonely..]

Hey ideas like that might expand the tax base ... :rolleyes: ... and create more jobs. More jobs??? ....


WHAT!?! MORE JOBS!?!

[spiritedenergy]

Education is an investment in the future.. and should never be confused with some form of welfare.

In the meantime Manitiba students are receiving a lower quality education becuase of universities which are sorely lacking funds. Socialism is a one way ticket to a declining future.


why are you always saying random, wrong things like here??? You can't shut up, can you? :slob:

[newflyer]

why are you always saying random, wrong things like here??? You can't shut up, can you? :slob:

Sorry.. my mistake I meant..

In the meantime Manitiba students are receiving a lower quality education because of universities which are sorely lacking funds. Socialism is a one way ticket to a declining future.

Spelling error ... :cool:

The statement is fact .. so I know it must have been the spelling error.

[vid]

And capitalism would help universities get funds how? By charging $23,000 a year tuition?

[newflyer]

And capitalism would help universities get funds how? By charging $23,000 a year tuition?

Allowing them to charge enough to maintain its campus and offer top notch courses.

The NDP have locked the university in a position where this can't happen. All they can do is waterdown the education and hope they don't get critcized too much for being so underfunded.

Manitoba offers cheap schooling.. and you get what you pay for. Although it could solve the problem of losing all its grads .. as more and more students will move away in order to get a higher quality education that Manitoba can't offer. Its a welfare soup kitchen education .. what a great foundation to build the economy of tommorow on.

Socialism is a one way ticket to a poorer future.

I guess that why more professional facilties are opting out of the NDP tuition freeze .. so they can get an education worth something.

[vid]

Yeah, having no tuition fee has helped here. LU is regarded as one of the worst universities in the country and they charge almost 10,000 a year. Yeah, capitalism is great! A life in debt and the education to show for it!

Too bad grey doesn't exist, we could use some.

[spiritedenergy]

Sorry.. my mistake I meant..

In the meantime Manitiba students are receiving a lower quality education because of universities which are sorely lacking funds. Socialism is a one way ticket to a declining future.

Spelling error ... :cool:

The statement is fact .. so I know it must have been the spelling error.

UoM and UoW students are getting a very good education, better then Calgary's and at the same level of the major canadian universities... It seems like you need to take some more education before talking...
The tuition freeze is only nominal, fees are skyrocketing right now.
UoM is not underfunded, it's OVERfunded, they have so much money for research don't even know what to do...
You spelled Manitiba... isn't that a mistake?

Why do you want to appear like the one that knows everything? Your attitude is so irritating... There is a forum called Alberta, too.

[biguc]

/\Most people at the UofM aren't getting a good education--they're mind-numbing retards. Not to say you can't get a good education there, it just takes a lot more discernment and personal investment. You may be able to get fine schooling, but that's different from education. Skyrocketing fees? if you say so... The new fees they've introduced in the last few years are less than the students union forces us to pay for health insurance.

Vid, if you don't like your school and they charge too much, there's an easy solution: stop going. The only reason they can get away with charging that much is that people will pay it. Chinese convenience store clerks understand this. Hell, Karl Marx understood it. I don't know why Fabian socialists are so oblivious.

I'm getting tired of the ceaseless advertising by the NDP--it really concerns me about the health of democracy in Manitoba. Really. Their ads for how they're spending money on roads--which we should all love--with a five year plan couldn't be more transparently propagandistic. Not to mention the advertising revenue going to TV stations is bound to colour their opinions of the NDP. Gary Doer is a talking head. Fuck him.

Also, McFadyen is a nobody.

[Marc B.]

I'm getting tired of the ceaseless advertising by the NDP--it really concerns me about the health of democracy in Manitoba.

You would've loved living in Ontario during the Harris years. Sorry, I mean loved

[Marc B.]

/\Most people at the UofM aren't getting a good education--they're mind-numbing retards. Not to say you can't get a good education there, it just takes a lot more discernment and personal investment. You may be able to get fine schooling, but that's different from education.



You can sleepwalk through an undergraduate degree anywhere. The high fees at York didn't motivate my students to put much of an effort into their education, despite me telling them over and over that 'this course is expensive, study, come see me during my office hours, and get your money's worth.'

[The Diva]

The NDP government needs to go: simply put! Something like the expansion of the Convention Centre so we can attract large conventions, thus fill our hotels, thus attract better hotel chains, thus create more jobs is something this government has no money for. Judging from the high taxes this province has, it is like it is some privilege to live and operate a business here; taxes are membership fees, and boy are we one exclusive province to be in.

[RootsAlive!]

Yes it is true. Quiet as the media has been on this issue, the Green Party of Manitoba does exist, has been working on its platform for months, and has a slate of candidates ready to go.

I believe they are going to announce their platform within a week and then introduce their candidates one by one to the media, whether the media picks it up or not. The best source of information is to get on their contact list and then you know, as one cannot always depend on the mass media.

They are likley going to make a few close races scrappy, shifting the discourse and focus onto this insane GROWTH economy we have that recognizes no natural limits, not to mention putting a wrench into the Hydro consensus

Don't write them off completely. Elizabeth May is a powerhouse and may show up in Manitoba yet....

[Marc B.]

They are likley going to make a few close races scrappy, shifting the discourse and focus onto this insane GROWTH economy we have that recognizes no natural limits, not to mention putting a wrench into the Hydro consensus.

OK, I'll bite. What does "putting a wrench into the Hydro consensus" mean?

And, welcome to SSP

[Brokenhead]

In yesterday's Sun

Sun, April 15, 2007

'We're ready to roll'
Prepared for election, Doer assures

By CHRIS KITCHING, SUN MEDIA



Premier Gary Doer addressed a NDP-friendly audience at CUPE Manitoba's annual convention. (John Woods/CP files)
Standing before a crowd of 350 people in a NDP-friendly environment, Premier Gary Doer delivered a speech yesterday that could be interpreted as a warm-up for things to come.

Doer trumpeted his government's work since the last vote in 2003 and took ample opportunity to criticize his opponents on what could have been the last weekend before the start of a provincial election campaign.

"We are ready to roll," Doer told a crowd of delegates attending Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) Manitoba's annual convention at Winnipeg Convention Centre.

He did not drop any hints as to when he will call the election, but his counterparts at the legislature believe it could be Friday.

TWO FACTORS


Doer said his decision hinges on at least two factors, one being the situation in the nation's capital, where a minority Conservative government could be toppled, leading to yet another federal election.

"We don't know what's going to happen in Ottawa. We don't want to have an election at the same time," Doer told the crowd.

He later told reporters: "And, secondly, there's a couple of priorities I'm still dealing with that I want to get resolved before I call it."

Doer would not reveal those priorities.

Outside the conference room, delegates said they noticed a difference in atmosphere when Doer, who is often invited to speak at the convention, was behind the podium.

"He always gets a warm reception (here) because he is a labour-friendly politician but moreso (yesterday) with an election coming up," said Ed MacDonald, a city of Winnipeg employee who represents CUPE Local 500.

Their support was obvious from the moment Doer was introduced by CUPE Manitoba president Kevin Rebeck.

"We're hoping for an announcement soon about an election so we can keep (Doer) in power for another four years," Rebeck said.

Part of Doer's 40-minute speech revolved around Manitoba Hydro and his party's claims the Crown corporation would be privatized under a Tory government.

"Hydro is to Manitoba what gas and oil are to Alberta and Saskatchewan," he said. "We can't let the Tories sell it for the benefit of their privileged friends."

Progressive Conservative leader Hugh McFadyen said his party would not privatize Manitoba Hydro were it in power.

APPLAUSE

"This is the same fear the premier has been spreading for months and it's false," he said.

Doer told the crowd he doesn't want a repeat of 1977 when Sterling Lyon and his Tories upset Ed Schreyer's NDP government.

Like the Progressive Conservatives of that era, Doer said the Tories of today will be campaigning on change.

Drawing some laughs and applause from his audience, he likened the potential for change to a one-night stand, saying it's something people would regret in hindsight.

He then accused the media of taking it easy on his chief opponent, McFadyen.

"The media have put McFadyen in the witness protection program," Doer said.

"They don't cover him (or) his extreme ideological agenda. He is off-limits ... for any criticism."

[The Diva]

I have been close to Doer a few times--and I wanted to punch him.

[Brokenhead]

I have been close to Doer a few times--and I wanted to punch him.


I probably been about 5 feet up to him when he announced the 2006 Manitoba games in Beausejour like in 2002 or something.

[fengshui]

^ I snoozed through his campaign-style "look at all we've done Hydro-Hydro-Hydro Ah-nold loves us" breakfast speech to the Manitoba Enivronmental Industries Association just this morning.

The cozy Green/Liberal deal will, I suspect, backfire on the Greens. Unless they are so desperate for a representative in parliament that they hold their noses on this one.

[Blitz]

I don't know

[1ajs]

Tories Dismiss Legal Action
APR 19 2007 01:30 PM
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The Manitoba Conservative Party is dismissing a legal motion made by an ousted MLA.

Carman MLA Denis Rocan is asking a court to overturn the nomination he lost in his riding last year. He claims PC officials unfairly circumvented the party's constitution by allowing the winning candidate to compete despite filing his nomination papers improperly.

Party President Brent Pooles says the process was fair.

(play audio)

Pooles adds their constitution gives the party flexibility to make decisions, like the one made by the credentials committee to allow the other candidate to enter the contest.

CJOB's Jeff Keele reporting.

[Brokenhead]

Thanks to whoever fixed the title of this thread :notacrook:

[Donovanf]

Was Doer caught in a freak tanning accident?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ips_rich_content/721-harper.jpg

[Brokenhead]

^^^

I think he was Californa not long ago :haha:

[vid]

Canada has some of the ugliest politicians on earth. :)

[newflyer]

Was Doer caught in a freak tanning accident?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/ips_rich_content/721-harper.jpg

I heard its warma nd sunny in the Peg these days... in Calgary we are having a not so freakish April snow storm.

I am glad to see Gail reach this goal. She has worked so very hard to lobby the governments for funding of this massive institution.

[Brokenhead]

ELECTION CALLED

MAY 22nd

[Andy6]

ELECTION CALLED

MAY 22nd

I don't know. He's not as tired a leader as Schreyer in '77, when a change of government was pretty much inevitable from day one, but Doer's definitely going to be trying to keep what he has rather than winning anything new.

I guess it will depend on whether the Tories can grab back the suburban seats in southern and western Winnipeg that the NDP won, mostly for the first time ever, under Doer. There seems little chance of anything changing outside the city, although the PCs would have hopes for Brandon West, La Verendrye and Gimli.

[The Diva]

I hope Manitobans will vote for change....

[drew]

what change? We still have an incompetent PC party, a blip on the radar screen Liberal party and a moderately poplular NDP party in power.

This election won't change anything.

[The Diva]

I am willing to take a risk and support McFadyen. I am so tired of the drain we are on this country, losing people, attracting very little investment. It is nothing to be proud of spending extra money that came from BC and Alberta...

Doer just does not care anymore--he is far from the vital, dynamic premier Manitoba needs.

[Pegger5]

Why do Winnipeggers vote NDP? It is a socialist left wing party.
Has anyone ever thought that NDP values are against progress?

This is why they will never win federally or in progressive provinces like Alberta. Don't worry NDP folks, The Liberals and Conservatives won't take your social programs and healthcare away. Not to mention the pointless modern day unions...

[Brokenhead]

Simply put it this way -


NDP = failure


Look at Manitoba & Saskatchewan

[1ajs]

if the tories run with the crocus thing i will turned off cause that was their fucking mess to start with........ the tories made some big fuck ups of things in this province! look at the mining sector... the tax's ect ect ect look at who they got for the seats and how long some of them have been at the ledge and their track records all parties that be...

[biguc]

Why do Winnipeggers vote NDP? It is a socialist left wing party.
Has anyone ever thought that NDP values are against progress?

This is why they will never win federally or in progressive provinces like Alberta. Don't worry NDP folks, The Liberals and Conservatives won't take your social programs and healthcare away. Not to mention the pointless modern day unions...





but...but...Socialists are progressives!

That, my friend, is the ultimate irony. So-called progressives stand in the way of actual progress.

[spiritedenergy]

Canada has some of the ugliest politicians on earth. :)

you should see italians:yuck:

Gail Asper looks very nice (she's not politician yet, but she may be?)

[1ajs]

but...but...Socialists are progressives!

That, my friend, is the ultimate irony. So-called progressives stand in the way of actual progress.

just vote for the person that represents your ward the best... not by the god dam party

[newflyer]

just vote for the person that represents your ward the best... not by the god dam party

No.. vote for the party, becuase its the party in power that makes all the desisions. If your MLA is great, but holds no real power to make things better than whats the use.

The NDP has proven themselves to be complete failures. Every voye fore the NDP is a vote for a weaker economy, and more government waste.

Even when Doer annouced the election call .. what were his examples of the NDP success?

Government project after government project ... I thought I was listening to a Stalin rally speach.

Not one mention of building the economy .. of creating high paying jobs to keep the grads at home. Nope .. it was all about how great NDP mega projects are. I have bad news for Doer but people want a hell of alot more than fancy government buildings. It seems that China has figured out the secret to a wealthier society before our own NDP. Its called private investement... wake up Manitoba!!!!

[spiritedenergy]

No.. vote for the party, becuase its the party in power that makes all the desisions. If your MLA is great, but holds no real power to make things better than whats the use.

The NDP has proven themselves to be complete failures. Every voye fore the NDP is a vote for a weaker economy, and more government waste.

Even when Doer annouced the election call .. what were his examples of the NDP success?

Government project after government project ... I thought I was listening to a Stalin rally speach.

Not one mention of building the economy .. of creating high paying jobs to keep the grads at home. Nope .. it was all about how great NDP mega projects are. I have bad news for Doer but people want a hell of alot more than fancy government buildings. It seems that China has figured out the secret to a wealthier society before our own NDP. Its called private investement... wake up Manitoba!!!!

between PC and NDP, i'd take NDP any second.

[1ajs]

No.. vote for the party, becuase its the party in power that makes all the desisions. If your MLA is great, but holds no real power to make things better than whats the use.

The NDP has proven themselves to be complete failures. Every voye fore the NDP is a vote for a weaker economy, and more government waste.

Even when Doer annouced the election call .. what were his examples of the NDP success?

Government project after government project ... I thought I was listening to a Stalin rally speach.

Not one mention of building the economy .. of creating high paying jobs to keep the grads at home. Nope .. it was all about how great NDP mega projects are. I have bad news for Doer but people want a hell of alot more than fancy government buildings. It seems that China has figured out the secret to a wealthier society before our own NDP. Its called private investement... wake up Manitoba!!!!

newflyer we are awake were guina probly vote the same guys back in cause the other guys are just as bad

[The Diva]

between PC and NDP, i'd take NDP any second.


Tell us why...is it because our NDP government drools over increased transfer payments to support us? Is it because the NDP insists on keeping rent control? perhaps the Capital and Payroll taxes which the NDP support appeal to you? Or are you Aboriginal, and simply resent the PC Party (namely the federal level) for not spending billions more on Aboriginals?

[newflyer]

between PC and NDP, i'd take NDP any second.

This is why Manitoba fails. The NDP celebrates the "Have Not" status and will govern in such a way to keep the money from Alberta and Ontario flowing.

At least the PC's have stated they want to make Manitoba a "Have Province", but creating more opportunities.

I'll take opportunities over a welfare state any day.

[newflyer]

Tell us why...is it because our NDP government drools over increased transfer payments to support us? Is it because the NDP insists on keeping rent control? perhaps the Capital and Payroll taxes which the NDP support appeal to you? Or are you Aboriginal, and simply resent the PC Party (namely the federal level) for not spending billions more on Aboriginals?

.. the biggest problem with a welfare state is it creates a whole society of dependants who are afraid to create there own wealth and success. Manitiba has sadly fallen into this category... its must have, because there are enough people to justify voting for the NDP policies which keep Manitoba at the bottom.

High taxes and BIG government .. thats the future of Manitoba? .. wow big dreams.

[spiritedenergy]

Tell us why...is it because our NDP government drools over increased transfer payments to support us? Is it because the NDP insists on keeping rent control? perhaps the Capital and Payroll taxes which the NDP support appeal to you? Or are you Aboriginal, and simply resent the PC Party (namely the federal level) for not spending billions more on Aboriginals?

your racist attitude is disgusting... what's your plan? Bring all aboriginals and poor people out of Winnipeg and let them die in the cold? That's done already by Police... something Hitler would be proud of.

I live here only since 1 year, so i can't tell much, but from what I've read PC has meant doom for Manitoba everytime they were in power.
And newflyer, do you believe to anything politicians say and promise?
Conservatives are as good to economy as NDP. Between the 2, NDP is the lesser evil.

[newflyer]

Winnipeg, MB. April 22, 2007 – Today, despite his best efforts to appear as a champion of the environment it is clear that after nearly a decade in office NDP Premier Gary Doer has done little to address climate change.

“According to Environment Canada, between 2004 and 2005, Manitoba’s greenhouse gas emissions jumped from 2.4 million tonnes to 2.9 million tonnes – up by a whopping 20% and the largest jump in Canada,” said PC Campaign Co-chair Heather Stefanson.

This is in large part caused by the lack of action on the environment by the NDP government since 1999.

“In 2002, the NDP spent $191 million to construct a natural gas generating station in Brandon and was touted as an NDP commitment to a clean environment and the Kyoto Accord. Almost five years after that environmentally-friendly generating station was constructed, it’s still very rarely in operation,” said Stefanson.
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[The Diva]

your racist attitude is disgusting... what's your plan? Bring all aboriginals and poor people out of Winnipeg and let them die in the cold? That's done already by Police... something Hitler would be proud of.

I live here only since 1 year, so i can't tell much, but from what I've read PC has meant doom for Manitoba everytime they were in power.
And newflyer, do you believe to anything politicians say and promise?
Conservatives are as good to economy as NDP. Between the 2, NDP is the lesser evil.

Oh my...how easy it is to use the "racism" card as opposed to assuming responsibility for your own life. i see nothing wrong in criticizing those who refuse to help themselves. Sorry if that hurts your feelings. You are a true NDP supporter. I have every right to question where my tax dollars go....

Newflyer is right: we have created this welfare state in this province...the NDP will take care of you. Look around downtown...namely around Central Park where so much Manitoba Housing exists. Again, this should be the most desireable address in the city if it were anywhere else, but no, here put all the social housing in one spot and you see what you get.

McFadyen's PC Party is not the Filmon version; Filmon had no interest in downtown revitalization, but did make necessary cuts. That is reality when you run a household or corporation. Doer thinks it is acceptable to continuously rape Hydro and take more in equalization; he does not want a province that is self-sufficient. Why, when it is much easier to take from the other provinces.

[Brokenhead]

I don't know. He's not as tired a leader as Schreyer in '77, when a change of government was pretty much inevitable from day one, but Doer's definitely going to be trying to keep what he has rather than winning anything new.

I guess it will depend on whether the Tories can grab back the suburban seats in southern and western Winnipeg that the NDP won, mostly for the first time ever, under Doer. There seems little chance of anything changing outside the city, although the PCs would have hopes for Brandon West, La Verendrye and Gimli.


Schreyer was actually born on a farm near Beausejour interestingly.

The highschool is named after him - Edward Schreyer School (or ESS for short)

Even though being our premeir and the governer general, Schreyer failed to gain a seat in Parliment last election when he ran for it.

[Brokenhead]

Any one who cares, the election is exactly one month away today. (the 22th)

[spiritedenergy]

LARRY ZOLF, about 2003 elections.
My beloved homeland, Manitoba, is going to the polls; NDP magician Gary Doer is seeking another term as premier. With Doer, Manitoba has come a long way from when I grew up. My memories are of an intensely class conscious and quite racist environment.

I grew up in one of Canada's great ghettoes, Winnipeg's North End. The people who lived there, largely immigrants from Eastern Europe, were energetic and courageous but very, very poor.

Those immigrants became Manitoba's focus for myth and hatred. Louis Riel had once been that focus; Franco-Manitobans lost their schools to that hatred. In 1919, the Winnipeg General Strike gave the immigrants their chance to get knocked around.

The 1919 Winnipeg General Strike was blamed on radicalism, Bolshevism and anarchy, all imported from the newly created Soviet Union. The forces fighting the strikers were led by the business elite and by the Winnipeg Free Press.

In the Free Press, it was bearded men in long caftans with bombs in their pockets who had caused all the turmoil. As a child growing up in the 1930s and early '40s, I could feel that the resentments of the strike were still rampant. There was a fierce class struggle going on and CPR Town, the North End, was right at the centre of it.

The politics of the North End were simple. Our two-party system was the peaceful democratic socialism of James S. Woodsworth and those who wanted a Soviet Canada. The North End of Winnipeg had a poverty level that was very deep, indeed. Socialism seemed the appropriate idea for people to cling to.

Politically the city had four federal seats, two of them socialist, and a cluster of seats provincially. No one in my neighbourhood dreamed of some day being part of the government in power. That was the preserve of either the Liberals or the Tories.

The Manitoba of my youth was basically the city of Winnipeg, a big grain centre, the Chicago of Canada. The rest of the province was a complete disaster. Manitoba had more one-room schools than any other province in Canada. Many roads were notorious as traps for any motorist with the courage to use them. Many students in the rural areas would write provincial exams in Ukrainian or Polish and then send them in to Winnipeg to get marked by ethnic education officials.

The Winnipeg I knew in high school was a city that asked you what your nationality was. When you answered "Canadian," people always asked what was it really, and then you gave your ethnic background to placate them.

For someone like me, Manitoba was a hard place to feel Canadian. The first school I attended that was not ethnic was United College, now the University of Winnipeg.

In the mid-'50s, I was the summer clerk for Premier Douglas Campbell. An inadvertent blurt on my part gave me another useful lesson in Canadianism. I told a reporter that I'd had a bad day because of trouble getting a minister to sign off on a document from the premier that I'd brought to him. The reporter quickly understood what this was all about. A huge headline story in the Free Press depicted a scandal in Campbell's Liberal government.

My response was to sulk in fear for some time, though Campbell said nothing to me. As I was leaving in the fall, the premier called me to his office to tell me what a great job I'd been doing for him. I breathed a sigh of relief. Then he said: "Never trust a journalist, young man. They are the scum of the earth."

So don't trust me on Manitoba. Trust the good sense of people there to give Gary Doer another mandate. Doer is a great premier with novel home-care legislation to his credit, as well as laws barring union and corporate donations. He also has former NDP premiers Ed Schreyer and Howard Pawley to give him a historical base to lean on.

The Manitoba that Doer symbolizes is a modern one and a very tolerant one. The old class struggles are gone. So is the ethnic branding. Winnipeg, which went into a slump when the railway age came to an end, has bounced back.

In Manitoba, Doer is a major national political star. He has style and grace and oozes charisma. He's a unifier and a highly stylized modern socialist. Doer makes federal NDP Leader Jack Layton look a bit like a shrill carnival barker.

Doer is functioning beautifully in a Manitoba in which media magnate Izzy Asper and his works are all over the place. Izzy's monuments in Winnipeg are a panoply of goodies. It's ironic that in Winnipeg, the heartland of Asper ultra-conservative free enterprise, Doer doesn't have to fear the National Post or Global TV or anything Asperish.

A victorious Doer would do my heart good. Evocative as my memories of Winnipeg are, I'm pleased to see a modern, up-to-date socialist like Doer swinging a bat for me, his biggest fan in Manitoba exile. To me, Doer is political life at its best. He cancels out the tricky parts of being a Canadian in this land, at least for me.

Doer has long been a hero of mine; he makes Manitoba politics a nice, happy retreat for me. In Doer there is resolution, not revolution. In Gary Doer there is a socialism worth keeping.

[1ajs]

untill the other parties get they act together or theres a big scandle were guna have the ndp for a while and frankly if they suck as an opisition then they will realy suck as our government.........

[The Diva]

is this in competition with the downtown one????


McFadyen calls for south soccer facility
By ADAM CLAYTON, SUN MEDIA




Tory Leader Hugh McFadyen says a new indoor soccer complex belongs in south Winnipeg.

Yesterday, McFadyen announced a Progressive Conservative government would commit up to $3 million to fund a covered, four-pitch soccer facility in south Winnipeg.

'URGENT PRIORITY'

The pledge represents $500,000 more than what the NDP government has said it's willing to contribute towards a new indoor soccer complex in the city, said McFadyen.

Before kicking a ball around with a team of young soccer players in St. Vital Park yesterday, the Tory leader told Sun Media there's an "urgent priority" for the facility in south Winnipeg.


"There's a population explosion among young people in the south part of Winnipeg," he said. "The ability to park, and accessibility to a lot of the young soccer players in the city, is important."

A handful of proposals are under consideration for the $6 million in tri-level government assistance designated for an indoor soccer complex in the city.

McFadyen said it's important to support soccer, an increasingly popular sport among young people.

"Every family can afford it because the equipment is minimal and the registration fees are relatively low compared to lots of other sports," he said.

"It's a great workout. I can tell you the few times I played, I was huffing and puffing pretty hard."

Healthy Living Minister Theresa Oswald said it's nice McFadyen has thrown his support behind a south end soccer facility but added he must have a short memory.

When all three levels of government came together to commit funding for a soccer complex in April 2005, McFadyen was Mayor Sam Katz's chief of staff.

- - -

Meanwhile, the NDP announced yesterday it would introduce legislation to ensure Manitoba meets Kyoto emissions targets by 2012.

The pledge was one of a number of environmental promises the party made to mark Earth Day, including working with Manitoba Hydro employees to reduce the use of the Brandon coal plant.

[drew]

^ I was just about to post that article.

I guess this says a lot about what we can expect of a PC government's support for inner city Winnipeg... Although I think this has a lot to do with sucking up to voters in a tight political riding...

But either way, with this general SSP lusting for a PC government in MB, I gotta say be careful what you wish for...

I don't like either the NDP or PC, so I'm voting Liberal.

[The Diva]

I just emailed McFadyen...I am not expecting a response; I have emaile dhim for a few months now--telling him to start getting his ideas out and name/face recognized. I suggested a comprehensive plan for downtown, but have never received a response. This is not good, as I was all set to support him...I dunno now...

[biguc]

^ I was just about to post that article.

I guess this says a lot about what we can expect of a PC government's support for inner city Winnipeg... Although I think this has a lot to do with sucking up to voters in a tight political riding...

But either way, with this general SSP lusting for a PC government in MB, I gotta say be careful what you wish for...

I don't like either the NDP or PC, so I'm voting Liberal.


I actually like Gerard, he seems like a straight shooter. Too bad the Liberals here are nonexistent.

[1ajs]

I just emailed McFadyen...I am not expecting a response; I have emaile dhim for a few months now--telling him to start getting his ideas out and name/face recognized. I suggested a comprehensive plan for downtown, but have never received a response. This is not good, as I was all set to support him...I dunno now...

i think their was talk of geting mcfyden to come to a wui meeting and i think there was interest what happend to that? should get doer mcfyden and the lybral leader at the table and see were they all stand and brain storm so policy's they all could take and do some good with


like at the legion or something and have some beers and snacks lol

[Pegger5]

NDP keep winning because many Winnipeg voters are afraid of change. NDP stands for status quo.
This is NDP talk "Lets have more Government contol of our citizens so free capital will go away" "Let's buy and own as many companies as possible so they don't grow to become national forces within Canada". "We need to tax those non Crown Corps to the fullest because we don't own them"

God for bid the NDP decided MTS's fate. If it was not for the Conservative's, companies like MTS would have never grown or bought Allstream a couple of years ago. They are now the 3rd largest Telecom company in Canada grown from 7th largest...

WAKE-UP!!! A reason most people vote NDP is they either are unionized, work for the Government, an agency of the Government or they are a poor university student that has no work experience in the real life yet.. It is the fear factor. Are you afraid the big bad conservatives will cut your jobs?
Should you be worried? Is your union job really a waist within your organization? I am talking about all Government supported jobs.
You think the Aspers, Chipmans, DeFers (all other large business owners) ever vote NDP? Think again!
Don't use the Environment as an excuse as it is obvious the NDP have failed in that area as well.

[The Diva]

Need we remind everyone that BC's worst time was when the NDP was in power....Once they were sent packin', wow--things changed for the better, and the province is back on track.

[The Diva]

Manitoba politicians outline tax strategies for voters
Last Updated: Monday, April 23, 2007 | 5:47 PM ET
CBC News

Three days into the election campaign, the major parties have begun discussing tax reductions Manitobans could see under the next government.

Conservative Leader Hugh McFadyen promised Monday to reduce the provincial sales tax one percentage point to six per cent.

"We're going to take a historic first step today to reducing the PST," McFadyen said, adding that the move would be the first cut to the PST since the tax was introduced 40 years ago.

The average family of four will save about $250 per year through the measure, the Conservatives said.

"Whether you're buying a double-double, a new car, a new bike, Manitoba families are going to save," he said.

The change would cost the provincial treasury about $190 million per year. McFadyen said Manitoba's revenues increased by six per cent in the last year, providing more than enough to cover the tax cut.


"We're talking about a very affordable reduction in taxes that will be paid for out of a growth in revenues," he said.

If the Conservatives form the next government, the tax cut would go into effect on Jan. 1, 2009, McFadyen said.

Small savings, argue NDP
NDP representatives scoffed at the Conservative promise, suggesting that even if it came to pass, it wouldn't save Manitobans much.

"Conservatives talk big and deliver little on tax relief, like their promise to cut the payroll tax and never delivering," NDP spokesman Tim Sale said in a release.

A single parent earning $30,000 would save a little more than $1 per week, while a family of four earning $40,000 would save less than $2 per week, said NDP spokesman Tim Sale.

Under the NDP, the corporate tax rate has dropped several percentage points, with further cuts forecast in the government's last budget. The small-business tax rate was the highest in the country under the Conservatives but is now the lowest in the country, NDP officials said.

"With our commitment to 80 per cent funding for education, it will deliver equivalent savings to Manitobans as a one per cent cut in the PST," Sale said.

Liberals promise to make Manitoba a 'have' province
Meanwhile, Liberal Leader Jon Gerrard promised to phase out the payroll tax for bigger firms over four years, if his party forms the next government.

"It's good financial management to eliminate it over four years, because what that does is it gives a business an understanding of what's going to happen over several years so that they can plan," Gerrard said.

He said the move would help fuel Manitoba's economy, which he described as "stuck on life support."

His prescription also includes helping small and medium-sized businesses with startup costs.

A Liberal government would make Manitoba a "have" province by 2020, Gerrard pledged, meaning it would no longer receive equalization payments from the federal government.


"Conservatives talk big and deliver little on tax relief, like their promise to cut the payroll tax and never delivering," NDP spokesman Tim Sale said in a release.

WTF? Was this during the Filmon years????

[Pegger5]

Tim Sale is a smuck... I grew up down the street from him. Went to school with his son. (his son now lives in TOR, he is a good guy though)

Tim Sale is the most anti-change person you will ever know...
He could never hold a job and lost 2 or 3 elections before he finally won his seat. It shocks me he ever won..
He was one of the main supporters of the Jets leaving and voted for not and I mean not a dollar of Government money going to a new arena.. (I guess he lost that one with Chipman)

Out of all the NDP MLA's he is one of the worst.

[1ajs]

i wish people would stop voting by the party and by the person thats running

[biguc]

It'd be a cold day in hell when I found myself ideologically aligned with an NDP candidate.


"Liberal Leader Jon Gerrard promised to phase out the payroll tax for bigger firms over four years, if his party forms the next government."

This is the only plan of the three that makes any sense. PST is one of the better taxes, it doesn't need cutting;and I don't know what Sale is talking about--more spending saving us money, I don't get the math.

[Only The Lonely..]

Tim Sale is a smuck... I grew up down the street from him. Went to school with his son. (his son now lives in TOR, he is a good guy though)

Tim Sale is the most anti-change person you will ever know...
He could never hold a job and lost 2 or 3 elections before he finally won his seat. It shocks me he ever won..
He was one of the main supporters of the Jets leaving and voted for not and I mean not a dollar of Government money going to a new arena.. (I guess he lost that one with Chipman)

Out of all the NDP MLA's he is one of the worst.

I never met a more miserable / pessimistic person in my entire life.

It scares the shit out of me to know that someone like that has a say in the future of our province.

Only in the NDP..:yuck:

[The Diva]

^^But, but...that person represents the party; how is that a good thing if you want to kick that party out of office?

[newflyer]

Manitoba will be 'have' province, Gerrard pledges


Liberal Leader Jon Gerrard promised yesterday he would turn Manitoba into a "have" province by 2020 if his party forms government.

Gerrard said he would turn the economic tables around in this province by investing in research and innovation, building a high-tech green economy, getting rid of the payroll tax and restoring investor confidence lost during the Crocus debacle.

"Gary Doer and his shiftless NDP crew might think it is OK for a provincial government to be stuck on the federal dole, but Manitobans are a proud people who would rather work for a living," Gerrard said.

The Liberals would invest in research and innovation to build a high-tech and modern green economy, establish an Enterprise Incubwator Fund to assist small and medium-sized businesses with start-up costs, and phase-out the payroll tax.

CROCUS MESS


The following two promises in Gerrard's plan to turn Manitoba into a "have" promise centre on cleaning up the mess left in the wake of the Crocus Investment Fund fiasco.

Those promises include calling a public inquiry to learn what role government played in the fund's fall and strengthen the Manitoba Securities Commission, said Gerrard.

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Two of Manitoba's party's commit to making Manitiba a have province.

It makes the Liberals is very real choice.

Although Manitoba seems to like being a welfare state instead.

[jimj_wpg]

The Liberals would invest in research and innovation to build a high-tech and modern green economy, establish an Enterprise Incubwator Fund to assist small and medium-sized businesses

Does anyone else think this Incubwator Fund is a bit "off"?

[fengshui]

Another somewhat exaggerated take on the Libs from a local blogger who is always good for a laugh (you know who).
The inadequacy of the news coverage is underlined by their inclusion of the Liberals in every newscast even though THE LIBERALS HAVEN'T BEEN A RECOGNIZED PARTY IN THE LEGISLATURE FOR THE PAST 15 YEARS.

There are six parties in this election - the main three plus Green, Communist and Freedom. Four have zero chance of forming a government. Yet one of them is treated as a legitimate contender when its clear that the two Liberal Party MLA's are nothing but two independents sitting together. We're just too polite to point out the obvious.

[1ajs]

Does anyone else think this Incubwator Fund is a bit "off"?

a what now :S

hmm the lybrals are saying somthing i like... hmm find out who they got runing in my area........

[Only The Lonely..]

Does anyone else think this Incubwator Fund is a bit "off"?


There's nothing off about that idea at all! In fact it is sorely needed and without it Winnipeg will die!!

Since Crocus left the local investment landscape it has been next to impossible to for new Manitoba companies to find start-up capital.

What most people don't appreciate is that Banks don't take risks. If I’m a software developer and I create the next great operating system, there's no way a bank would ever give me enough money to take my product to market.


Crocus launched some of Manitoba's fastest growing companies, Pollard Banknote, Imiris, Wow Hospitality and Biovail to name a few.

With only Ensis left there is just not enough investment capital left in this province for every new idea.

Furthermore, Ontario firms don't invest in Manitoba companies and even if they did they are not locally accessible as no national firm maintains a presence in Winnipeg.

Without a way to finance new companies our economy stagnates. It basically means I have to take myself and my great business idea to Calgary or Toronto.

[newflyer]

Does anyone else think this Incubwator Fund is a bit "off"?

It could be a very good thing if it is done with a level of responsibility. There many successful business incubators in other cities. Giving small business an affordable outlet to develop ideas can payoff 10 fold. The only risk is it becomes politically driven and thus turns into another Crocus delema.

[jimj_wpg]

:previous:

I was being funny, I noticed the misspelling of incubator with an added 'w'.

Your hand must have slipped Gary.

[newflyer]

:previous:

I was being funny, I noticed the misspelling of incubator with an added 'w'.

Your hand must have slipped Gary.

LOL ... I missed that. :rolleyes:

[Only The Lonely..]

It could be a very good thing if it is done with a level of responsibility. There many successful business incubators in other cities. Giving small business an affordable outlet to develop ideas can payoff 10 fold. The only risk is it becomes politically driven and thus turns into another Crocus delema.

I think we were still better off with Crocus (corrupt or not) than we are today without them.

In my opinion the lack of investment capital is the single most important issue facing the province. Any conversation about reducing rent controls, ridding ourselves of the PST, or any other pro-business measure is largely an academic debate if I can't find enough money to get my idea off the ground.

Say you invented time travel, what are you going to do?

Go to a Bank?

The big banks stopped caring about Winnipeg decades ago.

Go to your local credit union?

And do what? Tell some junior clerk with his 6 month financial planning certificate that you need $15 million bucks to buy the Delorean a new carburetor?

The difficulty in finding investment capital was one of the factors that drove Microsoft in its founding days out of Albuquerque and into Seattle. How different would that town be today if Microsoft had stayed?

I guess I’m just a little disappointed that this issue doesn't get more press.

[Only The Lonely..]

:previous:

I was being funny, I noticed the misspelling of incubator with an added 'w'.

Your hand must have slipped Gary.

Yaa, I guess it was a joke. I should really lighten up. :yes:

[newflyer]

other pro-business measure is largely an academic debate if I can't find enough money to get my idea off the ground.

Say you invented time travel, what are you going to do?

If you invent time travel .. you let me know and I will find you the $15M :yes:


Although I beleive that Delorian had a nucular powered electric engine, so that carb wouldn't do much good.

What you need is plutonium .. or at least a lightening rod and a clock.