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JAH
02-14-2007, 06:07 PM
Oil makes Alberta a target
Canada's role as No. 1 petroleum exporter to the U.S. has attracted attention from al-Qaida terrorists
Ian MacLeod, Ottawa Citizen; CanWest News Service; with files from the Edmonton Journal, Calgary Herald
Published: Wednesday, February 14, 2007
OTTAWA - Al-Qaida has called for terrorist strikes against Canadian oil and natural gas facilities to "choke the U.S. economy."

An online message, posted Thursday by the al-Qaida Organization in the Arabian Peninsula, declares "we should strike petroleum interests in all areas which supply the United States ... like Canada," the No. 1 exporter of oil and gas to the United States.

"The biggest party hurt will be the industrial nations, and on top of them, the United States."


Pipelines, like this one in Alaska, were identified as targets last year.
The Associated Press, file

Font: ****The same group, the Saudi arm of Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, claimed responsibility for last February's attack on the world's largest oil processing facility at Abqaiq in Saudi Arabia's eastern province.

The attack was foiled when guards at the site opened fire on the terrorists, blowing up their vehicles filled with explosives before they could get through the gates.

The message is contained in Sawt al-Jihad (Voice of Jihad), the group's online magazine.

A feature article, entitled Bin Laden's Oil Weapon, encourages operatives to continue to follow earlier directives from bin Laden to strike oil targets not only in Saudi Arabia, but elsewhere, according to a translation by the SITE Institute, a non-profit U.S. group that monitors terrorist websites.

Three western countries are mentioned in the call-to-arms -- Canada first, followed by Mexico and Venezuela. Would-be attackers are instructed to specifically target oilfields, pipelines, loading platforms and carriers.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service said Tuesday it was aware of the posting, as is Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Canada.

"Do we think it's a serious threat? I can't get into that," said CSIS spokeswoman Barbara Campion.

Alberta Premier Ed Stelmach said his province is working closely with "the federal government and the American government ... to have the most modern tracking system in terms of threat and, of course, monitoring and also surveillance of all the critical infrastructure in Alberta when it comes to oil and gas.

"I didn't know that Osama bin Laden knows where I am, but infrastructure is critical and that's where we'll be protecting it," Stelmach added.

Greg Stringham, vice-president of the Canadian Association of Petroleum Producers, said the threat is similar to a posting made about a year ago, when an al-Qaida-affiliated Internet blog called on Canadian and U.S. jihadists to attack an Alaskan oil pipeline.

The new posting is "not singling out Canada, it specifically mentions Canada, but along with some other countries that are suppliers to the U.S.," he said.

"It's not the first time that it's happened and we have no credible threat to substantiate it ... but still we are taking it seriously and we've informed all of our members and contacts about that -- especially those with critical infrastructure -- to pay extra attention and be vigilant."

The Alberta Energy and Utilities Board knew about the threat the day it appeared online thanks to information from Canadian intelligence agencies, said spokesman Darin Barter.

"We're aware of this," he said Tuesday, adding the warning wasn't significant enough to warrant raising the threat level. "There was no evidence that pointed to any imminent or direct threat to Alberta infrastructure."

Alberta sites deemed "critical infrastructure" are forced to have plans guarding against a terrorist attack.

The EUB is responsible for ensuring the protection of Alberta's critical energy infrastructure.


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Font: ****Barter wouldn't list specific sites, though they include an oilsands mine, electrical transmission lines, a pipeline, petrochemical plant, refinery, and facilities for processing gas or oilsands products and generating electricity.

The Alberta Security and Strategic Intelligence Support Team also decided "the threat level is low," said Andy Weiler, a spokesman for Fred Lindsay, Alberta solicitor general and minister of public security. Lindsay was not involved in that decision.

"There was nothing in this information that specifically identified any Alberta oil facility," Weiler said. "It was not necessary to bring the minister in."

Barter would not say what could push the threat level to higher preparedness but said "just one posting" would be unlikely to do it.

"We are part of Alberta's Counter-Terrorism Crisis Management Plan, he said. "We look at information provided to us 24 hours a day, 365 days of the year. It does not start or stop at one threat."

Experts have long considered the U.S. dependence on foreign oil -- and al-Qaida's evolving strategy to attempt to deny the U.S. access to its major oil suppliers -- as the country's Achilles heel.

A major supply disruption would send energy prices soaring. Had the Abqaiq attack been successful, some experts say oil prices would have likely broken all records. A catastrophic hit could bring transportation and other parts of the U.S. and other world economies to a standstill.

"We should strike petroleum interests in all areas which supply the United States, and not only in the Middle East, because the target is to stop its imports or decrease it by all means," says the article.

"We should not be overly concerned at this exact moment. Al-Qaida as an organization has been severely weakened," said Tom Quiggan, a senior fellow at the Center of Excellence for National Security at Singapore's Nanyang Technological University. The posting appears to be "intended to send a message to its followers that they should consider a wider set of targets that just those in the Middle East," he said.

It also is "an operational suggestion to the homegrown jihadists and independent groups that follow the inspiration message of al-Qaida. To them, it outlines a suggested list of potential new targets.

Canada is at the top of that list."

Since 2000, he said, Canada's proven oil reserves have risen from about five billion barrels of oil to more than 180 billion barrels. That puts

Canada in the No. 2 position as an oil reserve country, second only to Saudi Arabia and significantly ahead of other states such as Iraq, Kuwait or Iran.

"Sawt al-Jihad has correctly analyzed the oil- importing situation of the United States and concluded that it is not just Middle Eastern suppliers that are important," he said.

Martin Rudner, director of Carleton University's Canadian Centre of Intelligence and Security Studies, characterized the posting Tuesday as "very serious" and said "the highest levels in our security and intelligence community," have been aware of it since Friday.

He said al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula are "a bunch of guys with capability and intent. I would ramp up my awareness, all the kinds of things which intelligence and law enforcement agencies are supposed to do."


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Font: ****Because the Sawt al-Jihad article contains some operational details of the 2006 Abqaiq attack, Rudner said he believes it is intended as a call-to-arms rather than a piece of alarmist propaganda.

He said a successful attack against Canadian supplies and a resulting disruption of American oil and gas would also inflict a major symbolic wound against North America.

It would "damage the most important bilateral trade connection in the infidel world. To interrupt this would be not only of economic significance, but of symbolic significance," he said.

Kyle Keith, director of operations for the Canadian Energy Pipeline Association, said companies have several emergency programs in place.

"The fact that this information is making the rounds and we're sharing it shows our security programs are working," he said.

"Unfortunately the nature is our programs are a bit reactive, but so far it looks like things are working as they should -- the sharing of information and the heightened awareness."

The Saudi group is believed to also have been responsible for a May 2004 incident in which attackers stormed the offices of a Houston-based oil company in the western Saudi oil hub of Yanbu. An ensuring gun battle killed six Westerners, a Saudi and the militants. Several weeks later, gunmen believed to belong to the group stormed oil company compounds in Khobar, on the eastern coast, and took hostages in a siege that killed 22 people, 19 of them foreigners.

Months later, in December 2004, bin Laden for the first time called on militants to attack oil targets in the Gulf to stop the flow of oil to the West.

A crackdown on the group by Saudi officials resulted in Sawt al-Jihad going silent in April 2005. Its resurfacing last week "appears to indicate that the al-Qaida presence in Saudi Arabia is trying to reassert itself," said Quiggan, who has held previous intelligence positions with the Canadian Armed Forces, the Privy Council Office, Citizenship and Immigration, and the RCMP.

Bigtime
02-14-2007, 06:10 PM
Well let's just give some guys looking for work AK-47's and post 'em all around Fort Mac and the oil sand projects. Maybe the ones with post secondary education can get bazookas? :D

Calgarian
02-14-2007, 06:17 PM
This is nothing new, Canada has been a target for these idiots for years, and Alberta would be a logical place to start. I'd like to see these jerkoffs try to pull something when it is -30 outside and the wind is blowing hard :haha: .

sdimedru
02-14-2007, 06:30 PM
This is nothing new, Canada has been a target for these idiots for years, and Alberta would be a logical place to start. I'd like to see these jerkoffs try to pull something when it is -30 outside and the wind is blowing hard :haha: .

I would say until recently, Ontario would be the place to start(with their nuclear reactors and all the energy making they do). But this has more of a gas&oil sound to it, so I agree NOW Alberta would seem more of a place that would be threatened.

Kevin_foster
02-14-2007, 06:34 PM
The Edmonton Refinery is a huge target - anyone know what the security is like there?

feepa
02-14-2007, 06:42 PM
The Edmonton Refinery is a huge target - anyone know what the security is like there?
I'll say that theres some present, but its not what one would hope or expect.

Think just a little higher the mall security guard.

GoflamesGo
02-14-2007, 06:44 PM
If they bomb us, Im going to bomb them. hahaha i dont know how ill do it. but ill figure it out. whos with me??

Kevin_foster
02-14-2007, 06:45 PM
^ That's horrible.

Oh - WEM security is another issue. Dear god it is pathetic.

JAH
02-14-2007, 06:49 PM
so our refinery security is equivalent to mall security? Damn thats a scary thought... mall security can't even handle mall rats let alone terrorists

Blood PuP
02-14-2007, 07:09 PM
Meh, I have better things to be scared of.

sdimedru
02-14-2007, 07:49 PM
The same group, the Saudi arm of Osama bin Laden's terrorist network, claimed responsibility for last February's attack on the world's largest oil processing facility at Abqaiq in Saudi Arabia's eastern province.

The attack was foiled when guards at the site opened fire on the terrorists, blowing up their vehicles filled with explosives before they could get through the gates.

what would happen here? would we throw rocks? are the guards at ANY refinery armed?

we might as well just open the gates for them

Doug
02-14-2007, 07:53 PM
The biggest target would be the Empress compressor station, north of Medicine Hat. Something like 15% of North America's natural gas production flows through there.

CorporateWhore
02-14-2007, 08:15 PM
hey look, another reason to find an alternative energy source...

Xelebes
02-14-2007, 08:41 PM
This is nothing new, Canada has been a target for these idiots for years, and Alberta would be a logical place to start. I'd like to see these jerkoffs try to pull something when it is -30 outside and the wind is blowing hard :haha: .

Dude, some of them are from Afghanistan and some of the former Soviet states. Some of them are bound to be well prepared for -40 weather.

CorporateWhore
02-14-2007, 08:53 PM
Dude, some of them are from Afghanistan and some of the former Soviet states. Some of them are bound to be well prepared for -40 weather.

ha, no kidding. I think somebody has been watching a little too much Lawrence of Arabia.

Fiveway
02-14-2007, 09:41 PM
I'd say Shell's montreal east refinery would probably be a slightly more accessible target than anything in alberta.

vid
02-14-2007, 09:43 PM
Yeah, Afghanistan gets as cold as we do. Kabul is about as cold as Toronto, and up in the mountains it can get as cold as Northern Manitoba. Guess where al-Qaïda is hiding.

Kevin_foster
02-14-2007, 09:52 PM
Guess where al-Qaïda is hiding.

Northern Manitoba??

Bigtime
02-14-2007, 10:03 PM
Northern Manitoba??

We're through the looking glass people.

SpongeG
02-14-2007, 10:42 PM
i remember in the 80's that the dam near where i lived (WAC Bennet) was a target of the Russians - or so people in the area used to say...

vid
02-14-2007, 10:50 PM
Lol, no! They're in the North End. Blending in, yo.

Dey're out ta get chu!!!! :O


:previous: During the Cold war, Thunder Bay's port was supposedly also a target of the Russians. It was a major part of supplying Europe with grain.

Bigtime
02-14-2007, 11:06 PM
Lol, no! They're in the North End. Blending in, yo.

Dey're out ta get chu!!!! :O


:previous: During the Cold war, Thunder Bay's port was supposedly also a target of the Russians. It was a major part of supplying Europe with grain.


It's funny that you mention the "target for the Russian's" bit, same topic happening over at somethingawful right now as well. Thing is back in the Cold War everyone was told that their City/town/hamlet was a "Top 10 Target for the Russkies". Well with the amount of nukes involved pretty much everyone was glass anyways! :D

lubicon
02-15-2007, 12:09 AM
Alberta, as is the case for all of Canada, is a target for Al Queda. They will no doubt plan something at some point, that much is certain.

That said, I honestly don't think our oil/gas infrastructure is a major target, nor would it make sense to attack it. It would have to be a pretty major attack to do any significant damage and even at that the overall impact on supplies or output would be relatively small.

These guys are terrorists, and their goal is to install fear on us. It would make more sense to target high profile sites that attract a lot of people or attention. In Alberta that would be something like the Stampede, Champ Car race, or a tourist destination like WEM of Banff.

It's not the damage that they do, it's the fallout effect in terms of fear, economice etc that do the damage.

I'm not tyring to downplay this, we need to be paying attention to energy infrastrucure too, but if I had to put money on what they would strike, it wouldn't be a refinery, pipeline, or the oilsands.

e909
02-15-2007, 12:18 AM
Alberta, as is the case for all of Canada, is a target for Al Queda. They will no doubt plan something at some point, that much is certain.

That said, I honestly don't think our oil/gas infrastructure is a major target, nor would it make sense to attack it. It would have to be a pretty major attack to do any significant damage and even at that the overall impact on supplies or output would be relatively small.

These guys are terrorists, and their goal is to install fear on us. It would make more sense to target high profile sites that attract a lot of people or attention. In Alberta that would be something like the Stampede, Champ Car race, or a tourist destination like WEM of Banff.

It's not the damage that they do, it's the fallout effect in terms of fear, economice etc that do the damage.

I'm not tyring to downplay this, we need to be paying attention to energy infrastrucure too, but if I had to put money on what they would strike, it wouldn't be a refinery, pipeline, or the oilsands.

If we're attacked I think we need to be mentally prepared for it. Most Canadians don't realize just how hated we are worldwide. Sure we're not as entertaining to hate as the Americans are, but we're right up there on the shitlist. I really feel it's just a matter of time.

I think people need to act rationally about it, pick things up, and go back to work the next day.

Sacamano
02-15-2007, 12:39 AM
Most Canadians don't realize just how hated we are worldwide.

count me in and I've traveled extensively

JAH
02-15-2007, 12:58 AM
Thats weird... i've always thought Canadians were generally admired abroad

vid
02-15-2007, 01:10 AM
Not really. A lot of Europeans now view us as "backwards". We're not as progressive as we think.

e909
02-15-2007, 01:10 AM
Of course I was referring to people who would attack us. In general most people know very little of Canada.

I was trying to say sewing a Canadian Flag on your backpack isn't going to make an Islamic extremist think twice.

e909
02-15-2007, 01:12 AM
Not really. A lot of Europeans now view us as "backwards". We're not as progressive as we think.
Odd, that's how I consider many Europeans.

I wonder why we idolize them so much. Ask any socialist what they think of Sweden and they will surely wet themselves.. Sure they have good policies we can use, but these Nordic countries aren't exactly a Utopia.

vid
02-15-2007, 01:25 AM
It's all relative, I guess. Some American's view their country as progressive. :)

ibz
02-15-2007, 02:15 AM
Security at some Edmonton refineries might even be consider less then that of a mall...at least most malls lock the doors at night :p A refinery however is an extremely difficult thing to place tight security on, short of putting up 30 foot fences, watch towers and armed guards around the perimeter.

Id also suspect that if there were any plans for Alberta, the big pipelines to the US and the Empress plant would be very possible targets, the refineries less (solely IMO however)

ScottFromCalgary
02-15-2007, 04:10 AM
I know that the Alberta Energy and Utilities Board (EUB) was planning to put an interactive listing of all oil and gas pipelines and facilities on the internet, but then terminated the program after 9/11. The thinking was that it would simply make it too easy for terrorists to plan a sophisticated attack. The EUB has since made energy infrastructure security an important part of their work. So while there may not be a lot of physical security, at least the people who have the power to do something about the problem are well aware of it. Remains to be seen what concrete steps they will take though.

Blue 24
02-15-2007, 05:04 AM
If the attacked the oil sand mines themselves, and cut off removal for month or two, oil prices would freak out, so to would the usa.
Also at the same time attacking the major oil and gas head offices in Calgary, and refineries would cause all hell to break out, in at the very least north american stock markets for a time.
But i doubt any group could pull that off, atleast for all long time from now.

even worse, do all that and attack the stock exchange i to and/or montreal.

but the most likely Canadian target would have to be The 2010 Vancouver Olympics for shure, if the could bear the cold.:runaway:

Lead
02-15-2007, 05:14 AM
it really isnt that cold here vancouver. but if these terrorists do think about attacking anywhere in Canada, I dont know about the rest of you but forget being scared, I would be so pissed.

Canadian Mind
02-15-2007, 05:55 AM
yea, I laugh at the threats. I'm not scared of an attack, I know one is probably coming... only questions are "where?" and "when?" Being scared of it happening is fucking useless... much better to be prepared for when it does, and preform the necessary actions to either prevent or repair damages caused by terrorist attacks.

I'll never be scared. weary, yes, pissed, when it happens hell yes, but scared... no. what do I have to fear? If I am going to die I'd sooner die walking a confident stride with a smile on my face, than constantly looking over my shoulders, cowering in fear.

Let them come. There'll be hell to pay.

freeweed
02-15-2007, 06:06 AM
Alberta, as is the case for all of Canada, is a target for Al Queda. They will no doubt plan something at some point, that much is certain.

Fortunately, a bunch of small, loosely-associated groups hiding out in the desert in the middle of nowhere can plan all they want, with pretty much nothing happening. I can plan on taking out the CN tower tomorrow (as I recall, this was Canada's most recent terrorist "threat"), doesn't mean there's a hope in hell that it will happen.

These guys are terrorists, and their goal is to install fear on us.

They seem to be very successful at their goal. Witness the USA of the past 5 years. "Jumping at shadows" only scratches the surface.

I'm not tyring to downplay this

I am. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_of_nightmares)

(Didn't mean to pick on your post per se, you just covered all the bases I needed to rant about :P )

Rusty van Reddick
02-15-2007, 06:31 AM
Let's hope they bomb Oscar.

Blue 24
02-15-2007, 06:50 AM
Oscar is an ugly little thing isn't it?

There have been atleast one major terrorist attact once a year sence 9/11

2001 = USA
2002 = Australia (bali bombings killed mostly Australians)
2003 = Turkey (Istanbul)
2004 = Spain (madrid)
2005 = UK (london)
2006 = India (Mumbai)
2007 = ? :(

On the news a year or so ago, they said that Al Queda named several countries that they would attack: USA, Australia, Spain i think?, UK, and all have been.
but there were three other mentioned that havent been attacked yet, they are, Canada, Italy, and Netherlands.

So one of the last three could be next. Out of them i say Canada would be the last to be attacked if it happens, because of the oceans.

all these nations were named befor September 2001

Daver
02-15-2007, 07:43 AM
^ That's horrible.

Oh - WEM security is another issue. Dear god it is pathetic.


"That's Horrible"? What?, wanting to defend our interests?....Bring it!. No room for liberalism here!( because they can't fight! )....If the terrorists choose Alberta for an attack, let's deal with it.
They(Osama) WON'T have greater resolve than us!!!...He can freeze in the snow.:haha:
Yep...I can see it now...Osama---> running accross the frozen winter wonderland with a hord of western loving conservative rednecks shooting their shotguns and throwing Ford hub caps.

Yep!...You gotta love this province. It's got a "the world can kiss my ass" attitude


sweet.

vid
02-15-2007, 09:11 AM
Yeah, Osama wouldn't be in Alberta in the first place. He has thousands of loyal followers that live in a climate colder than Alberta that would gladly sacrifice himself for his sick twisted vision of Islam.

Don't underestimate him, but don't give up freedom to fight him either. Increase security, it's an essential part of the economy, it should HAVE security GOOD security.

If these people were able to hijack planes, blow up trains and buses, they can surely take out an insecure oil refinery, and I hardly doubt there are enough rednecks in Alberta to shoot a terrorist. If there were, they'd probably be too drunk to aim properly.

And Liberals can fight. Saying Liberals can't fight is like saying Conservatives can read. Baseless and wrong.

lubicon
02-15-2007, 07:55 PM
If the attacked the oil sand mines themselves, and cut off removal for month or two, oil prices would freak out, so to would the usa.
:

With all due respect, how do you attack a mine? What would they do, blow up a truck?? These operations are so massive that it would be virtually impossible to do much damage to them, unless you went after the processing units.

The oilsands operations seem to have recurrent problems with fires etc that cut production drastically (Suncor just had onother one a few weeks ago) and there is no effect on oil prices to speak of. Cutting off 150 000 bbl/day of production does not do much to the overall supply.

Pipelines might be another story, but they are buried underground and would be difficult to 'blow up'.

That's why I say that the overall effect on attacking oil facilities would not be very large.

lubicon
02-15-2007, 07:59 PM
but there were three other mentioned that havent been attacked yet, they are, Canada, Italy, and Netherlands.

So one of the last three could be next. Out of them i say Canada would be the last to be attacked if it happens, because of the oceans.

all these nations were named befor September 2001

Another theory of mine as to why Canada has not been attacked yet is our proximity to the U.S. I have to think that the U.S. is a bigger target than we are, and Canada could be of more use to them as a staging or transit area for these potential attacks.

Will we be attacked?? Almost certainly at some point, but not as long as we could be of more use for Al Queda for other purposes.

sdimedru
02-15-2007, 08:05 PM
As far as the oilsands go..... a bombing of the syncrude plant, or suncor plant, or even some of the upgraders being built (horizon) could be detremental. They take years to build, and personally i think it would cause major instability with oil prices.

Pipelines, usually aren't buried TOO deep, a bomb of any decent size could put a buried pipeline out of service no problem. And someone had mentioned the Empress compressor station, i'm not familiar with that station at all.

I think one of the other major targets could be a storage facility like Enbridge's edmonton terminal, or even hardisty terminal.

There are billions of barrels of oil stored there collectively, and i guess i honestly can't say what effect it would have on oil prices. But i wouldn't think it'd make it cheaper.

ps: Longest pipeline in the world, Edmonton to Buffalo, criplling this cross continent pipeline could really spark a rise in prices in my opinion.

Lyle
02-15-2007, 08:35 PM
Puhleeze people, take a valium. CSIS has been manufacturing threats for years now in order to justify its budget. Blow up the oil sands? The most ludicrous thing I've ever heard, and that's saying something in this GWB era.

Rusty van Reddick
02-15-2007, 08:49 PM
Daver- you are blissfully ignorant, aren't you. "This province" is refusing to acknowledge this phantom risk, not reaching for its mythic rifle. Just because some mouth-breathers in Drumheller are convinced that everyone thinks like them doesn't mean they're right.

Doug
02-15-2007, 08:51 PM
All pipelines have compressor stations which are above ground and could be easily destoryed (a few have blown up accidently in the past). The flip side is that a compressor station can be rebuilt realtively quickly, as in a few months. Regardless, taking out a major natural gas pipeline in the winter would cause significant hardship. Compressor stations are located all along pipeline routes, not just in Alberta.

Hardhatdan
02-15-2007, 09:39 PM
Getting in to somewhere like Syncrude and suicide bombing a hydrogen cracker probably wouldn't be that hard.
There is security, but they sure aren't armed or prepared to stop a suicide bomber coming through the front gate.
Hell they could blow up one of the work camps and kill 2000+ people. Every where is vulnerable if there is enough resolve.

Daver
02-16-2007, 12:46 AM
Daver- you are blissfully ignorant, aren't you. "This province" is refusing to acknowledge this phantom risk, not reaching for its mythic rifle. Just because some mouth-breathers in Drumheller are convinced that everyone thinks like them doesn't mean they're right.

Relax... I was just kidding. I know we are beyond that.

Daver
02-16-2007, 12:50 AM
Yeah, Osama wouldn't be in Alberta in the first place. He has thousands of loyal followers that live in a climate colder than Alberta that would gladly sacrifice himself for his sick twisted vision of Islam.

Don't underestimate him, but don't give up freedom to fight him either. Increase security, it's an essential part of the economy, it should HAVE security GOOD security.

If these people were able to hijack planes, blow up trains and buses, they can surely take out an insecure oil refinery, and I hardly doubt there are enough rednecks in Alberta to shoot a terrorist. If there were, they'd probably be too drunk to aim properly.

And Liberals can fight. Saying Liberals can't fight is like saying Conservatives can read. Baseless and wrong.

"they'd probably be too drunk to aim properly." That's what the hub caps are for. :)

Blue 24
02-16-2007, 01:18 AM
You attack a mine by? flying a small plane with explosives into the plant, stuff like that, it isn't impossible to get some explosives in to it, a car bomb or some thing. hell an employee could do something.

Blue 24
02-16-2007, 01:19 AM
[QUOTE=lubicon;2634241]With all due respect, how do you attack a mine? What would they do, blow up a truck?? These operations are so massive that it would be virtually impossible to do much damage to them, unless you went after the processing units.

The oilsands operations seem to have recurrent problems with fires etc that cut production drastically (Suncor just had onother one a few weeks ago) and there is no effect on oil prices to speak of. Cutting off 150 000 bbl/day of production does not do much to the overall supply.

Pipelines might be another story, but they are buried underground and would be difficult to 'blow up'.

That's why I say that the overall effect on attacking oil facilities would not be very large.[/

ScottFromCalgary
02-16-2007, 02:25 AM
I've heard people speculate that a "dirty" radiation bomb would be the best way to try and attack the open pit oilsands mines. I guess this would be render the bitumen too costly to upgrade:shrug:

240glt
02-16-2007, 03:16 AM
I've heard people speculate that a "dirty" radiation bomb would be the best way to try and attack the open pit oilsands mines. I guess this would be render the bitumen too costly to upgrade


I think you need to spend less time hanging around the water cooler

ScottFromCalgary
02-16-2007, 03:34 AM
Yes, but that would mean more work and less of a chance to hear the paranoid, neocon ramblings of my co-workers.

freeweed
02-16-2007, 06:11 AM
Yes, but that would mean more work and less of a chance to hear the paranoid, neocon ramblings of my co-workers.

Dude, with wit like that I wish we had a few more like you around. :tup:

I'm still waiting for some of our "safety co-ordinators" to plan a fullscale building evacuation drill, in the event that an airplane crashes into a Calgary skyscraper. :rolleyes:

Xelebes
02-16-2007, 06:24 AM
Dude, with wit like that I wish we had a few more like you around. :tup:


Oh come on, don't be so nasty.



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