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BTinSF
02-25-2007, 07:13 PM
Good NIMBYism or bad NIMBYism??

S.F.'s Castro district faces an identity crisis
As straights move in, some fear loss of the area's character

Wyatt Buchanan, Chronicle Staff Writer
Sunday, February 25, 2007

To walk down San Francisco's Castro Street -- where men casually embrace on sidewalks in the shadow of an enormous rainbow flag -- the neighborhood's status as "gay Mecca" seems obvious.

But up and down the enclave that has been a symbol of gay culture for more than three decades, heterosexuals are moving in. They have come to enjoy some of the same amenities that have attracted the neighborhood's many gay and lesbian residents: charming houses, convenient public transportation, safe streets and nice weather.

The integration of gay and straight is increasingly evident not only in the Castro District but across North America, from Chicago to New York City to Toronto, where urban revitalization is bringing new residents at the same time some gays are settling in other parts of cities or the suburbs -- such as the East Bay.

But some gay and lesbian residents of the Castro are worried that the culture and history of their world-famous neighborhood could be lost in the process, and they have started a campaign to preserve its character. The city, meanwhile, is spending $100,000 on a plan aimed at keeping the area's gay identity intact.

Heterosexuals "are welcome as long as they understand this is our community," said Adam Light, a leader in the Castro Coalition, a group formed eight months ago to address the shifts in the neighborhood in recent years.

In San Francisco, the line between the Castro and nearby Noe Valley has blurred, said Aldo Congi, a San Francisco native and vice president of McGuire Real Estate who has sold property in the city since 1979. In the 1970s, the gay revolution in the Castro was shocking to straight people, including him.

"There used to be demarcation, where straight families would want to be in Noe and gay families or couples in the Castro," Congi said. "I think it's much more integrated now. I don't think there's any question about that."

While evidence of the change is largely anecdotal, estimates based on census data from 2000 and 2005 show that San Francisco and other major cities in the United States are losing gay and lesbian couples, while Oakland, Berkeley and San Jose gained couples, according to a UCLA demographer.

The Castro's gay and lesbian residents need to be actively involved in neighborhood planning if they want to see the area maintain its identity, said Anastasia Loukaitou-Sideris, chair of the School of Public Affairs and Urban Planning at UCLA.

"It's very difficult to stop change," she said. "But you can try to direct it in ways that you like as opposed to ways that you hate."

San Francisco's gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender community also is helped by its storied history. Thousands of gays and lesbians came to the city at the beginning of the Gay Liberation movement in the late 1960s, settling first in the Haight, where they fixed up Victorian homes. In the 1970s and '80s, many of them moved over the hill to the Castro, where there was less crime.

"I think the only gay neighborhood that is going to survive is the Castro," said Don Reuter, a New York writer who has spent the past seven months documenting the status of gay enclaves in 12 U.S. cities. "In every city this is going on. We're unraveling. Our gay neighborhoods are unraveling," he said.

In Chicago, the core gay neighborhood has moved farther from the urban center as real estate prices have risen. Most gay and lesbian people who own homes now live on the northern edge of the city, said filmmaker Ron Pajak, who is documenting the history of the city's gay community.

A district of gay nightclubs in southern Washington, D.C., is being demolished to make room for a new stadium. And in Toronto, high-rise condos are replacing parking lots in the Gay Village, and more heterosexuals are moving into the neighborhood.

"You can't tell people where to live, and people are making all sorts of decisions," said Kyle Raye, Toronto's first openly gay city councilman who has represented the Gay Village area since 1991. "The lines are blurred; even the police love working (during gay pride events). There are significant social changes that have occurred."

Still, gay and lesbian residents in San Francisco are trying to draw lines around the Castro. Last week, the city began taking bids from consultants to create a plan to guide development of at least nine major properties and vacant lots on Market Street.

Supervisor Bevan Dufty, who represents the area and is leading the city planning process, sees the effort as a "community visioning process" that will include the creation of smaller units of affordable housing for young people and the elderly.

"I think we can do things in the next four to five years that will sustain us for the next 40," Dufty said.

He also wants development that will create spaces for community institutions such as Theater Rhinoceros, which bills itself as the city's "queer theater," and organizations that assist people who have HIV and AIDS. But his biggest goal is to create a permanent home in the neighborhood for the Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, Transgender Historical Society's archives, along with a museum.

"People from around the world go to the Castro, and there is precious little they can access to know our history," he said.

That history was not a factor when Rachel Beckert and her husband decided to move their family to a flat on Eureka Street in the heart of the Castro three years ago.

"The only thing that meant anything to me was the area would be nice," said Beckert on a recent day, as she watched her son and daughter ramble through the playground at the Eureka Valley Recreation Center a block from the center of the Castro Street shopping district. Eureka Valley is the historic name for the neighborhood that once had many Irish and German residents, some of whom still live there.

Beckert's brother, sister-in-law and their children moved into the flat below them. They picked the neighborhood for its location, safety and proximity to shopping -- attributes that attract many.

At first, Beckert wondered if her family's presence would provoke a backlash from gay and lesbian residents, but she says they have been friendly. She rejects suggestions that families like hers should live in other neighborhoods.

"You could also say this neighborhood used to be full of families," she said, adding that neighbors on both sides of her building lived in the Castro before it became a gay enclave.

The blocks surrounding the recreation center and the Beckerts' home have the highest concentration of gay and lesbian residents in the Castro -- as high as 95 percent, according to an estimate based on 2000 census data by Gary Gates, a senior research fellow at the UCLA School of Law's Williams Institute, which tracks demographic data of gays and lesbians. According to the estimate, the proportion of gay and lesbian residents ranges from about 80 percent to 30 percent elsewhere in the area.

Using census data to look at population shifts over time is more difficult. Between 2000 and 2005, same-sex couples in San Francisco declined by about 5 percent, Gates estimates. The rate was 2 1/2 times that of heterosexual couples.

The trend is also apparent in Philadelphia, Washington, New York, Houston, Detroit and Austin, Texas, according to the estimate. The population of same-sex couples in Oakland, Berkeley and San Jose, meanwhile, appeared to increase during the period -- San Jose by 34 percent, Oakland by 14 percent and Berkeley by 8 percent.

Along Castro Street, merchants are seeing another trend: high turnover among shops as business owners struggle to afford rents that are among the highest in the city.

"We need to find and attract new businesses to the neighborhood," said Paul Moffett, president of the Merchants of Upper Market and Castro. "They may not be gay-owned, but the bottom line is we want a vibrant, successful and healthy business community. Whether gay, Chinese, African American or owned by women, it doesn't matter."

Perhaps the central question expressed in community forums about the future of the Castro is whether gays and lesbians should assimilate into mainstream culture as they gain acceptance -- or maintain a separate place.

"Having a specific neighborhood politicians can point to, can go to and shake hands or kiss lesbian babies, has really solidified the gay vote, our political muscle," said longtime community activist Tommi Avicolli Mecca at a forum in November.

He said places that are free from anti-gay violence and discrimination are important refuges. But other people believe anti-gay sentiment will fade over time.

San Francisco Convention and Visitors Bureau chief Joe D'Alessandro, who lives in the Castro with his gay partner and their six children, said he thinks gay enclaves marginalize the people who live there. He said the gay community in his previous home of Portland, Ore., a city without a historically gay neighborhood, is a model because gay and lesbian residents comfortably live in the mainstream.

"They do not live in a ghetto," D'Alessandro said, "and I think they're stronger because of it."

Castro forum on gay neighborhoods
The third in a series of forums about gay neighborhoods and urban planning will be held Tuesday from 6 to 8 p.m at the Gay Lesbian Bisexual Transgender Historical Society, 657 Mission St., Suite 300, San Francisco.

Speakers include Don Reuter, a New York writer working on a book on the rise of gay neighborhoods and the challenges they face. For more information, go to glbthistory.org.

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E-mail Wyatt Buchanan at wbuchanan@sfchronicle.com.

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J_Taylor
02-25-2007, 08:04 PM
replace gay/straight with white/black and you have the 40-50s all over again.
I think its bad.

DJM19
02-25-2007, 08:14 PM
if straight people want to live there they should be able to. Free country

bjornson
02-25-2007, 08:36 PM
WeHo went through this, too, right?

rs913
02-25-2007, 09:13 PM
if straight people want to live there they should be able to. Free country

There are also many other, more positive ways to keep the identity of the gay community alive (some of which were mentioned in that article) besides trying to keep non-gays from moving into a neighborhood. Keep the businesses strong, form more community groups, etc.

The bottom line is that it is a free country and even a stated desire to discourage people from moving where they want, seems not only unsustainable but also likely to rub people the wrong way.

It's not that different from what's going on in Berkeley, where longtime locals don't want their enclave diluted by people who don't share their far-left philosophy (read: yuppies) - the difference being that, unlike in the Castro, the "outsiders" aren't exactly knocking on Berkeley's door.

Jeff_in_Dayton
02-25-2007, 11:17 PM
I have been away from the GLBT discourse and activism for some time, but this assimilationist vs queer safe space/gay culture argument has been going on during most of the 90s.

Perhaps the central question expressed in community forums about the future of the Castro is whether gays and lesbians should assimilate into mainstream culture as they gain acceptance -- or maintain a separate place.


He said places that are free from anti-gay violence and discrimination are important refuges. But other people believe anti-gay sentiment will fade over time.

San Francisco Convention and Visitors Bureau chief Joe D'Alessandro, who lives in the Castro with his gay partner and their six children, said he thinks gay enclaves marginalize the people who live there. He said the gay community in his previous home of Portland, Ore., a city without a historically gay neighborhood, is a model because gay and lesbian residents comfortably live in the mainstream.

Places like the Castro are comforting to me, even though I live thousands of miles away, because I know they exist, that there is a safe place to be openly gay, and a place that is gay, vs just tolerant of gays (like that Portland example).

Castro is the metaphorical Oz....Somewhere over the Rainbow.

"Having a specific neighborhood politicians can point to, can go to and shake hands or kiss lesbian babies, has really solidified the gay vote, our political muscle," said longtime community activist Tommi Avicolli Mecca at a forum in November.

This political argument is a good one, too. Gay power came from local municiple politics, and having an impact on the vote in wards can ensure freindly political figures get into office.

I recall reading the bio of Harvey Milk many years ago, and one of the things that was said (if I recall this right) was that SF went from at large city commision elections to ward elections in the early 70s, which is how Harvey Milk got elected..he mobilized the new gay community developing in his district , in the Castro, to vote for him.

Yet, as others have said, its tough to tell people where to live, but this has been managed before. Oak Park Illinois did this, managing racial integration so as to ensure that it did not become a new ghetto.

BTinSF
02-26-2007, 12:06 AM
I recall reading the bio of Harvey Milk many years ago, and one of the things that was said (if I recall this right) was that SF went from at large city commision elections to ward elections in the early 70s, which is how Harvey Milk got elected..he mobilized the new gay community developing in his district , in the Castro, to vote for him.



Correct. However, the switch to district elections for Supervisor also got Dan White (Milk's assassin) elected from the city's most conservative district.

FYI, the Milk/Moscone assassinations caused the city to reconsider and we went back to citywide elections for the 80's and most of the 90's, but have now again gone to district elections. And it has again produced some fairly radical board members except this time, rather than being pro and anti-gay (no serious SF politican is anti-gay these days), they are pro and, mostly, anti-development.

RAlossi
02-26-2007, 12:34 AM
I can't speak for SF, but in LA I think a big issue is that gays can feel relatively safe just about anywhere in the city proper -- and not just WeHo or Silver Lake. When I see a bear flag bumper sticker next to a "There's no excuse for partner abuse!" sticker on a car in Highland Park, that's really saying something.

Personally, I can stand WeHo for ten minutes and then I've got to run! I don't like seeing just a certain type of person -- gay, latino, straight, white, black, Asian, etc -- for any length of time. I want it all, mixed together. And when I feel safe enough to hold my boyfriend's hand in the Valley or Downtown, that's just another reason for me not to move to WeHo.

greenmidtown
02-26-2007, 07:00 AM
I'm from Portland although I live in Sac now. The Castro has a history and culture encapsulated and continuing to thrive. That history doesn't exist in Portland, a city that began coming of age in the 90's. It works for Portland but the Castro is the epicenter of gay culture worldwide and has a unique history that should be preserved. What the city is doing to preserve the gay character of the Castro should be applauded, they didn't resort to exclusionary policies and have acknowledged the history and value of the gay community in the Castro.

CityKid
02-26-2007, 06:49 PM
This is purely anecdotal evidence, but I saw the same thing happening in Chueca while I lived in Madrid. I personally enjoy knowing that when I want to be in a gay district, I can. As a single gay male, it's really annoying to meet a great guy who buys you a drink and talks to you for an hour only to find out he's straight. Inevitably, I think the Castro will become more "heterofied." Nevertheless, I hope we manage to maintain it's history for the future generations.

J_Taylor
02-26-2007, 10:02 PM
Nevertheless, I hope we manage to maintain it's history for the future generations.
Just the Gay history or the history from before it became a Gay Meca?
Just picking nits;)

Ronin
02-27-2007, 12:23 AM
Well, Castro wasn't gay from the start, so it's not like they didn't infilitrate the neighborhood to begin with.

fflint
02-27-2007, 01:28 AM
^"Infiltrate" is hardly the word for what happened.

Straights abandoned the Castro for the suburbs. Gay people bought in when the area's long-term viability was far from certain. In those days, many once-great urban neighborhoods in America were left fallow. They eventually became grist for the wrecking ball, or, especially in SF, they became depopulated and disspirited, overrun with crime and vacancies (think upper Haight between about 1970 and 1990). But gay people saved the Castro from those fates. It wasn't infiltration, it was old-school organic urban revitalization.

Anyway, the Castro is still rising up the economic ladder. And in the cash-saturated San Francisco of the late 2000s, that means a neighborhood so rich in amenities, so well-situated, so elegant, and so livable will go to the highest bidders.

And that means more straights and fewer gays, until it becomes another enclave for the upscale San Franciscan of whatever orientation, like Noe Valley. The Castro became a true gay mecca once because working-class gays could manage to live there, because young gays could manage live there--but that hasn't been true for over a decade now. Rents and mortgages are too high. The businesses, restaurants and bars have gone dramatically upscale; chains have moved in along with the new streetcar service. The Castro is the "new" Noe Valley, with a little more hustle and bustle and a more colorful recent history to either be used as a business theme, or to be ignored and forgotten altogether.

We can and should tell and retell the story of how these areas changed over time, and what they meant in the greater cultural construct, but the age of the great urban gay mecca is over, at least in America. We are to be a diaspora.

BigKidD
02-27-2007, 02:26 AM
Yes, the Castro was an important place for the gay movement. But to say that it should be protected from change is similar to individuals trying to prevent their former Polish, German, Italian, etc. neighborhoods from changing with the times. Frankly this seems like such a petty issue and as stated before, the majority of SF is tolerant to homosexuals so what is so tragic about diversing the neighborhood instead of it just being a place for one type of person or sexuality. Also, I'm sure many people will differ from my opinion of the situation.

BTinSF
02-27-2007, 04:18 AM
The businesses, restaurants and bars have gone dramatically upscale; chains have moved in along with the new streetcar service.

I agree with most of what you said, but the above made me think--it's not as if the recent Castro business environment has been so ideal, even for an affluent gay man. Castro St. itself . . . pretty nice. But the two blocks of Upper Market between Sanchez and Castro, the other part of the Castro business district, have long seemed to me to be under-developed to the point that, now that Tower Records has shut down and Cafe Flore has gone, well, mainstream, I'm wondering what reason I may have to go there when I get back to town. Oh, yeah, there's Harvest Market--my longtime source of the essential Acme baguette--but in those long, long two blocks, now that I have a Books Inc in my very own building, what else is there?

BTinSF
02-27-2007, 04:20 AM
Yes, the Castro was an important place for the gay movement. But to say that it should be protected from change is similar to individuals trying to prevent their former Polish, German, Italian, etc. neighborhoods from changing with the times. Frankly this seems like such a petty issue and as stated before, the majority of SF is tolerant to homosexuals

What area isn't?

so what is so tragic about diversing the neighborhood instead of it just being a place for one type of person or sexuality. Also, I'm sure many people will differ from my opinion of the situation.

Disagree? Not so much. ;)

BigKidD
02-27-2007, 04:50 AM
What area isn't?
To tell you the truth BTinSF, I'm not exactly sure what area if any is not. I haven't been to every edge of the city to truthfully say it's a tolerant utopian paradise that many consider it to be. Perhaps it is, but personally, I do not know if an individual in Noe valley is as tolerant, etc. as individual in another district.

SSLL
02-27-2007, 04:32 PM
I'm not aware of this happening in Toronto's Church-Wellesley Village. It's right in the core, and not too far from cheaper housing.

LosAngelesBeauty
02-27-2007, 05:51 PM
Interesting that this article failed to mention Weho, which leads me to assume that it doesn't support the article's topic of the heterosexualization of gay districts. Weho in LA is actually very mixed I believe, but the businesses along Santa Monica Blvd. are very GAY indeed. Try working out at the 24hr Fitness (can we say "bathhouse") or having a cup of coffee at the Starbucks across the street. It's patronized almost exclusively by my fellow kind. You walk down the street and it's nothing but men in tank tops showing off their physiques.

Frisco_Zig
02-27-2007, 07:13 PM
^"Infiltrate" is hardly the word for what happened.

We can and should tell and retell the story of how these areas changed over time, and what they meant in the greater cultural construct, but the age of the great urban gay mecca is over, at least in America. We are to be a diaspora.

This seems to be a natual thing with greater social acceptance. Beyond the economics of this displacement it seems to me- as a straight SF local- that gays have come so far in San Francisco that a neighrbohood like the Castro is only relavant as a historical reference. It seems there is no longer as great a need to be ghettoized and what many gays are reacting is similar to what straights in SF are. We don't like that great urban neigborhoods are becoming to desireable. We like things how they used to be, it's to expensive, life was better when we were younger etc. etc.

BTinSF
02-27-2007, 08:19 PM
To tell you the truth BTinSF, I'm not exactly sure what area if any is not. I haven't been to every edge of the city to truthfully say it's a tolerant utopian paradise that many consider it to be. Perhaps it is, but personally, I do not know if an individual in Noe valley is as tolerant, etc. as individual in another district.

Noe Valley? Nearly as gay as the Castro. There ARE areas where I might think twice about public displays of same sex affection, but often those areas are "iffy" for other reasons as well: near the public housing complexes in the Mission and Western Addition where residents of same hang out, maybe the BayView though I've hardly ever been there so I'm not sure. The fact is, I suspect the residual anti-gay sentiment in SF may be strongest in some of its many minority communities and so I would feel least secure in the heart of those areas. But there hasn't been much to justify concern even there so it may not be justified, just "what you hear". Fact is, the entire inner Bay Area, from Marin to San Jose, Ocean Beach to Orinda and Castro Valley, is pretty gay-accepting if not "friendly". Get out into the Central Valley and north of the Sacramento River and I don't know, but stick by the water and there's no problem.

CityKid
02-27-2007, 09:03 PM
A bit off topic, but I'm sensing a strange relationship between new urbanism and queers.

Jeff_in_Dayton
02-27-2007, 09:04 PM
^
for some reason I have heard that Noe Valley was the lesbian neighborhood?


We can and should tell and retell the story of how these areas changed over time, and what they meant in the greater cultural construct, but the age of the great urban gay mecca is over, at least in America. We are to be a diaspora.

very poignant (and well-put)

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It is ironic a bit, that this article comes out in 2007, which marks the 30th anniversary of Harvey Milk's being elected as supervisor.

So, yes, perhaps we are discussing something that is moving into history.

Chicago3rd
02-27-2007, 10:36 PM
Neighborhoods have always ebbed and flowed and changed.

In Chicago Boystown has lost a lot of the gay residence....many moving up to Uptown/Edgewater and Rogers Park. Andersonville has gone from the Lesbian Neighborhood of the city to more and more Gay male. Many have been prices out or took a fantastic return as urban pioneers and moved up to other cheaper housing stock to start the process over again.

One thing Chicago did was designated Halsted as an economically gay district and those businesses have grown and business is up. It has also been getting recongnition from those outside Illinois and the U.S....more and more gay tourist are flocking to the city.

BTinSF
02-27-2007, 11:34 PM
^
for some reason I have heard that Noe Valley was the lesbian neighborhood?



It's a family neighborhood and lesbian couples with kids have long been a prominent part of its citizenry. More recently, gay men with kids too--affluent ones because it isn't cheap there. As long as I've lived in SF (25 years), lesbians and, especially lesbian couples, though, have seemed to be attracted more to the East Bay (Berkeley, Oakland) than to SF. And for those who did like the city, THE lesbian area for the less than lavishly monied was the Valencia corridor.

kenratboy
02-28-2007, 05:34 AM
Heterosexuals "are welcome as long as they understand this is our community," said Adam Light, a leader in the Castro Coalition

Lets replace some words and see how we feel:

Blacks "are welcome as long as they understand this is our community," said Adam Light, a leader in the Caucasian Coalition

Wow, somehow that doesn't feel nearly as good. Does not sit well with me at all. If people want to move into the neighborhood, they should. San Francisco is special because it is diverse, not because it is segregated for specific groups. This city is special because people of all different makes and models live together and create something special, not because everyone is huddling together with their own kind - that would show fear and that they were not accepted - something that is not a big issue in San Francisco (especially when compared to most cities).

Richard Mlynarik
02-28-2007, 06:28 AM
[...]but in those long, long two blocks, now that I have a Books Inc in my very own building, what else is there?

Ixia. The most interesting shop front window in SF.

sf_eddo
03-02-2007, 01:30 PM
I actually find the two block stretch of Castro Street from Market to 19th gimmicky and boring, other than the Castro theatre, and much prefer the stretch of Market from Castro to Church/14th.

But I am also not gay, so I might not be their target clientele regardless.

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