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caltrane74
Mar 2, 2007, 3:58 PM
Urban Mall at Yonge and Dundas Square. - Looks like only half a year of construction left on this bad boy. - It's size is overwhelming. and ..well...its ugly.

http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1172337488.jpg

http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1172337227.jpg

http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1172338271.jpg

http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1172338321.jpg

http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1172338387.jpg

It will be bright.

b13
Mar 2, 2007, 5:06 PM
Why does everybod have such a negative view on this project espscially Torontonians. I personally think this metropolis will look amazing and and extra vibrancy to an already vibrant area. Also this will add a next tourist attraction for tourist that come to Toronto. I don't mean to critize but I think Torontonians need to have a better attidude for the buildings that their recieving, compared to other cities Toronto is doing great!

caltrane74
Mar 2, 2007, 5:39 PM
Its ugly now...lets see how it looks once the ads..and neon go up. Especially that big swoopy Panansonic sign at the top. That will look good.

And the ads along Yonge Street will look good too!!!


That first picture was taken before the crane came down. That must have been at least 2 months ago.

The other pictures are far more recent.

b13
Mar 2, 2007, 10:10 PM
I think it will look great!

caltrane74
Mar 3, 2007, 12:10 AM
Once it's finshed for sure it will look great. We will use this thread to track its progress.

That way we will know whether our predictions were right or wrong.

jeicow
Mar 3, 2007, 1:09 AM
They better hurry up and finish it. Word on the street is that the blue sidewalk hoarding is about to qualify as a heritage landmark. How long have they been up now- like 4 years almost?

architect1
Mar 3, 2007, 2:10 AM
I like everything about it other then Its Hvac or supply is sticking out of the one side. I think its kinda sloppy.

b13
Mar 4, 2007, 2:50 AM
Does anyone know when the signs will be going up??

caltrane74
Mar 19, 2007, 2:27 PM
Courtesy: Sniffles SSC

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o240/loop429/IMG_0122.jpg


I'm thinking Advertising will go up by June or July this year. If not the latest would be August September. But I'm just guessing.

b13
Mar 19, 2007, 8:58 PM
^ This is one BIG ASS building!!! and it looks good!

caltrane74
Mar 20, 2007, 7:42 PM
ganjvih posted some new pictures at urbantoronto.ca

I like the way this one is shaping up. Its gonna be a centre of activtiies when complete.

WhipperSnapper
Mar 20, 2007, 10:11 PM
like 4 years almost?


try ten

someone123
Mar 20, 2007, 11:49 PM
It seems like this construction site has been around forever.

I think it will be interesting when completed. The Yonge Street side looks weak but maybe it will turn out better than expected.

Does anybody know what will actually go inside this building? Any pictures of the site before construction began? I know there's an old picture of the square site floating around.

JBinCalgary
Mar 21, 2007, 2:43 AM
lookin good !

jaymckay
Mar 22, 2007, 12:21 PM
It seems like this construction site has been around forever.

I think it will be interesting when completed. The Yonge Street side looks weak but maybe it will turn out better than expected.

Does anybody know what will actually go inside this building? Any pictures of the site before construction began? I know there's an old picture of the square site floating around.

I believe what is going into this place is:
-a future shop facing the square (I guess they'll be closing their Yonge St location)
-a restaurant/bar with a padio facing young
-mcdonalds (of course) facing the square
-a Ryerson U bookshop around the back (near the parking)
I think there is a couple available unrented spaces on the Yonge side.
The main entrance will be facing the square. Inside there will be:
-The Canadian Music Hall of Fame (2 floors, I think)
-An AMC Theatre which also is doubling for Ryerson U lecture halls (I love this mixed use!) which is taking the remaining 2 to 4 (?) floors at the top.
-and some crap on the main floor and in the basement.

This was all published as of last fall. I can't remember where I seen the plans but I'll post them if I see them again.

Giving the nature of the square (obnoxious and tacky), I (sincerely) hope there is some other entertainment inside like an arcade (I love the new Outrun and Afterburner--good times). I think this place is going to be popular. Fingers crossed, though, that the CMHF isn't tacky.

jaymckay
Mar 22, 2007, 1:40 PM
http://www.metropolis.ca/
All the info on the tenants. I was way off on the floors. I haven't been in Toronto since the fall: this thing must be monsterous! It looks like the Canadian Music Hall of Fame dropped out. Does anyone know any detail on this?


http://spacing.ca/wire/?p=858
Crit. on the billboards. I actually wish there was more video screens: go all or nothing not this half-way crap.

caltrane74
Mar 26, 2007, 2:16 PM
http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1174750299.jpg

caltrane74
Mar 26, 2007, 2:20 PM
http://spacing.ca/wire/images/dundassq-proposed-dundas.jpg

http://spacing.ca/wire/images/dundassq-proposed-yonge.jpg

Ad signage

brettrobinson
Mar 26, 2007, 7:38 PM
I like everything about it other then Its Hvac or supply is sticking out of the one side. I think its kinda sloppy.
The HVAC will be covered by the billboards.

Taller Better
Mar 26, 2007, 8:14 PM
"Its Hvac or supply is sticking out of the one side. I think its kinda sloppy"

half built buildings always look sloppy...

caltrane74
Mar 27, 2007, 3:19 PM
I think this building is going for the industrial look...so the HVAC being visible is part of "the look"

the Mighty Industrial Fans are visible in the Renderings...too!!

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4055/exteriorrenderingdundasij9.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/935/exteriorrenderingeastellh8.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2584/exteriorrenderingnorthefm4.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1128/exteriorrenderingnorthebx1.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5668/exteriorrenderingsouthebs8.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2491/exteriorrenderingwestelcd2.jpg

We have a long way to go until this is finished...I'm thinking summer of 2008, even if the building itself is completed by this summer.

Master Plan Dan
Apr 3, 2007, 9:19 PM
It will enclose the Urban Square that Brown and Story did a few years, one of the best additions to Toronto in a long time. That square during the day is a great place to sit, barring it is summer and you can find a chair!

It looks bleak right now, but I am guessing that once the adverts on there, it will look really nice.

VivaLFuego
Apr 3, 2007, 10:30 PM
There's just something contrived about buildings being built/designed for the purpose of huge gawdy adverts....I mean Picadilly and Times Square (and Dundas to a large extent, for that matter) all developed naturally as these spots of sensory overload.....this just screams to me "hey look, it's Times Square! Toronto-style!", which is more befitting of a Chinese city than a Canadian one.

My 2 cents. Not trying to be a downer, just my opinion.

jaymckay
Apr 4, 2007, 1:36 PM
I agree with VivaLFuego. It does seem like the advertising has come first. It looks like the interior of the paramount cinema. At the same time though it could be much worse. The way it seems to obey the heights of both Yonge (4 stories) and on Dundas (10ish) is quite thoughtful. And any kind of colour this time of year is more than welcome in toronto.

Does anyone know what happened to the Canadian Music Hall of Fame? I'm NOT a fan of the juno's but I thought this area would be fitting for a tourist trap.

caltrane74
Apr 4, 2007, 10:05 PM
There's just something contrived about buildings being built/designed for the purpose of huge gawdy adverts....I mean Picadilly and Times Square (and Dundas to a large extent, for that matter) all developed naturally as these spots of sensory overload.....this just screams to me "hey look, it's Times Square! Toronto-style!", which is more befitting of a Chinese city than a Canadian one.

My 2 cents. Not trying to be a downer, just my opinion.

Dont worry Viva, we had this conversation in City Discussions and it went nowhere. I think Dundas will be a unique place to be, not just a place to walk through like other media squares around the world. The thing i will appricate the most about a completed dundas square is the openess of the place even though it's borders will be neatly defined. Other highlights will include multi-story indoor/outdoor cafe's and the Interior of Metropolis will feature floor to ceiling glass which will not only overlook Dundas Square but Yonge street as well. I can hardly wait to go inside and see the buzz of activity taking place at street level or the fountians and community events of YDS with the fountains in full effect from the upper levels of the mall. None of the other 2 malls ( Eaton Centre and Artrium on Bay) offer this kind of inside mall experience so this alone will be worth the price of admission. however it wont cost anything to go inside. Only unless you want to catch a movie, buy an ipod, or grab a coffee. As far as the advertising, Metropolis will employ state of the art LED and video screen technology. It may be gwady to some but it should blend in well with the other advertising which has been erected in the area over the past 10 years or so. A compact and cohesive media square with a single purpose to overwhelm all possible human visual sensory.

Maldive
Apr 4, 2007, 11:09 PM
Don't know about Ginza, but people forget that Times Square and Picadilly Circus are 2 of the most unfriendly places on earth if you are on foot. it ain't exactly a piazza and damned difficult to navigate.

Dundas Square on the other hand is user friendly, if you want to kick back with lots of room to get your neon, LED, back-lit tan.

NYguy
Apr 5, 2007, 12:06 PM
I think this building is going for the industrial look...so the HVAC being visible is part of "the look"

the Mighty Industrial Fans are visible in the Renderings...too!!

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/4055/exteriorrenderingdundasij9.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/935/exteriorrenderingeastellh8.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2584/exteriorrenderingnorthefm4.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1128/exteriorrenderingnorthebx1.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/5668/exteriorrenderingsouthebs8.jpg

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2491/exteriorrenderingwestelcd2.jpg

We have a long way to go until this is finished...I'm thinking summer of 2008, even if the building itself is completed by this summer.

This will be great.

zilfondel
Apr 6, 2007, 4:36 PM
Yuck.

caltrane74
Apr 6, 2007, 9:01 PM
If you are not going to jusify your post..why comment? (I'm guessing so you can let everyone on the forum know you are a total ass??)

3madjack
Apr 7, 2007, 8:29 AM
^^^LOL.

I like the whole deal here. We don't have a "center-party-like" sort of thing anywhere in this city. I remember when the Jays won their second World Series, (was out of town for 1st one in '92), and walking/stumbling/cheering from our friends place on Simcoe and King over towards Yonge and Dundas and thinking, "WTF, why are we going to the Eaton Centre" but in after-thought, (okay, the next day), where were we suppose to go, you know, to congregate/celebrate? Union Station? City Hall? Yorkville?

With the big lights, all the pomp and the actual Square, we now have an actual place to go to; to scream, yell like idiots, honk horns, wave flags, (in some cases, flash your tits), dance, cheer and/or celebrate for whatever reason or simply, just hang out and watch a free concert. I think it rocks.

Now if we can only keep people from getting shot-up in that area, great, but in all honesty, it's awesome to have this "little hang-out" in the middle of downtown and I like it. So boo-hoo to the nay-sayers. If you don't like it, then hang out at Pearson or something equally as cool. To the rest, see you soon.

caltrane74
Apr 12, 2007, 5:06 PM
http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/idl/ntnp/20070412/ntnp_20070412_a015_metropoliscentr_39973_mi0001.jpg


Metropolis centre to be unveiled this fall
After a seven-year delay, Toronto's 'Times Square North' will be completed; Now 'Toronto Life Square'
Ian Munroe, National Post
Published: Thursday, April 12, 2007
After a seven-year delay, one of the final obstacles to completing Toronto's "Times Square North" will be cleared this fall.

The hoardings will come down at Yonge and Dundas streets to reveal the much-awaited Metropolis, a 500,000- square-foot shopping, entertainment and office complex. The building was yesterday renamed Toronto Life Square, after magazine publisher St. Joseph Communications bought naming rights for an undisclosed amount.

PenEquity Management, the project's developer, announced yesterday the mall will open this fall, nine years after PenEquity bought the land and 13 years after the city began its revitalization project for the intersection now known as Yonge- Dundas Square. Once it opens, the city will put up for sale a final parcel of land just east of Toronto Life Square -- which includes 277 Victoria St., 38 Dundas St. E. and an adjacent parking lot.


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The Metropolis complex, pictured at the northeast corner of Yonge and Dundas streets yesterday, will make its debut this fall. PenEquity bought the land nine years ago.
Brent Foster, National Post

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Font: ****"There's still a piece to finish," said city councillor Kyle Rae. "[The properties] are part of the redevelopment that we waited to finish -- the north side -- because then the value of those properties will be worth more."

The delays stem from PenEquity's difficulty in locating tenants willing to pay the neighbourhood's high rents.

"There's been multiple versions and changes to the project along the way," said Neil Miller, a spokesman for PenEquity. "There has been lots of different dates, but yes, there has been a change in tenant mix and other aspects of the project."

Fluctuations in the demand for retail goods may have worked against the company, Mr. Rae said. "Roots was going to go in there, then they didn't. Then Virgin was going to go in, 9/11 happened and they walked away. What has happened is that the market forces in retail have played out its volatility on this project."

Toronto Life Square will house several large spaces for companies such as Adidas, Future Shop, AMC Theatres and Shoppers Drug Mart. It will also host students from Ryerson University, who will use 12 of the building's 24 movie theatres as lecture halls on weekdays.

St. Joseph Communications will also move a broadcasting centre into the building. The first and second floors are due to open this fall, with the rest of the building slated to open by April, 2008.

Early this summer, 20,000 square feet of digital signs should line the outside of the building, including a massive 30-ft.- by-50-ft. video panel, billed by the company as the largest in the country.

The neighbourhood was plagued by drug dealing in the mid-1990s, and some crime remains, including the Boxing Day, 2005, shooting of Riverdale schoolgirl Jane Creba on Yonge just north of Dundas. But local businesses dismiss critics who say the new Yonge-Dundas Square is too gaudy, and say they are largely happy with how the square has transformed.

"It's very much a bright lights, bigcity feeling, and we are encouraging of that very animated atmosphere," said James Robinson, executive director of the Downtown Yonge Business Improvement Area.

yyzer
Apr 19, 2007, 7:44 PM
hoarding coming down on the Yonge St. side....

http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1176916078.jpg

Tony
Apr 19, 2007, 8:31 PM
^ *gasp*! The sunlight.. it hurts!

Poor sidewalk, it hasn't seen the light of day for how many years now?

Master Plan Dan
Apr 19, 2007, 8:57 PM
Holy that hoarding has been there when I started Ryerson... many moons ago!

Finally the sidewalk belongs to the pedestrians again!

Has anyone heard if they were going to continue the paving of Dundas Square across Yonge and Dundas like in the original Brown and Storey design?

Can't wait to go back in August to see Toronto. I am dedicating a whole day to go down there and mill around!

Dan

zerokarma
Apr 20, 2007, 9:38 PM
Good update

caltrane74
Apr 22, 2007, 5:28 PM
Spingtime in Toronto courtesy of gbelan of Urban Toronto.

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j145/gbelan/100_0030.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j145/gbelan/100_0016.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j145/gbelan/100_0032.jpg


Isn't it cool how he got his pictures to almost match the angles from which the renders were taken???

caltrane74
Apr 30, 2007, 5:36 PM
More Pics courtesy of gbelan on UrbanToront/SSC

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j145/gbelan/100_0046.jpg

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j145/gbelan/100_0045.jpg

alex1
Apr 30, 2007, 9:10 PM
I love toronto but this project is one of the worst I've ever seen. Anywhere. If the goal is to create a "public gathering place", there are many alternatives better than this. Why someone would champion a place of mass commercialism is beyond me (perhaps the bells and whistles appeal to your senses?) but it seems it's a way to turn a drab section of Toronto and drab architecture into something a bit more "interesting".

It's a fine disaster from an aesthetic and "real place" POV. It'll also be immensely popular and successful.

caltrane74
May 1, 2007, 5:07 PM
Alex everyone has an opinion, as for your last point. Your right on the money. It will be very sucessful.
As for my chamioning of this project...this is one of my favorite toronto projects.. I know Yonge and Dundas from childhood, back in the 1970's and how it looks now is far better than it was in the past...there is more to do. and the intensity of the advertising is pretty amazing. -- people just stand on the sidewalk galkin' . (btw : my occupation is in the advertising industry)

Here is a picture Taller, Better took yesterday. (look at all those indoor /outdoor cafe's , I'll be first in line when they open)

http://img474.imageshack.us/img474/5932/april3007yongedundasipj0.jpg

J. Will
May 2, 2007, 7:13 PM
I love toronto but this project is one of the worst I've ever seen. Anywhere. If the goal is to create a "public gathering place", there are many alternatives better than this. Why someone would champion a place of mass commercialism is beyond me (perhaps the bells and whistles appeal to your senses?) but it seems it's a way to turn a drab section of Toronto and drab architecture into something a bit more "interesting".

It's a fine disaster from an aesthetic and "real place" POV. It'll also be immensely popular and successful.

I disagree. I think the massive (24 screen) cinema, combined with multiple bars/restaurants will help the area stay much busier much later at night than it is now. And I don't think the goal is to create a "gathering place". Dundas Square is already a major gathering place. The purpose of this project is to give people something to do on that corner.

raisethehammer
May 3, 2007, 2:48 AM
thanks for the pics...I'll make sure to stay firmly entrenched in Kensington or Corktown when I'm in T.O. from now on.
Brutal.

luvthebigbox
May 3, 2007, 3:09 AM
This is a very interesting project. Looks a bit Tokyo'ish but nevertheless unique. Wonder if the ads will constantly change, would be a great place to put on digital art programs too.

Wonder if the Toronto folks are up for this

caltrane74
May 3, 2007, 1:59 PM
Raisethehammer, you will be first in line for a seat at Jam Rocks, or Wolfgang Puck's Patio when they open. No lie.

to have lunch or dinner above dundas square. Will be beyond cool. Especially at night with the Neon and LED blazing while having dinner outdoors..amazing.

People at Hard Rock will feel like "low" life ...literailly as they will be on the ground.

alex1
May 3, 2007, 8:11 PM
I disagree. I think the massive (24 screen) cinema, combined with multiple bars/restaurants will help the area stay much busier much later at night than it is now. And I don't think the goal is to create a "gathering place". Dundas Square is already a major gathering place. The purpose of this project is to give people something to do on that corner.

I'm not sure what you're disagreeing with. Are you disagreeing that there aren't better ways to create successful places, that the thing is an aesthetic disaster or are you disagreeing with my assessment that it will be an incredibly successful and busy place?

if you're arguing the latter, I don't think you read my post in its entirety.

caltrane74
May 3, 2007, 8:24 PM
J. Will had issues with your "There has got to be a better gathering place" than this statement.
He is stating the obvious..that people already hang out at Dundas Square in large numbers..and..now there will be more for them to see and do than previous. (i.e movies, cafe's , restaurants, shops)


That's what it looks like to me anyway.

J. Will
May 3, 2007, 9:10 PM
Well, aesthetically it looks much better in person than in photos (don't judge it by pictures), but that's not what I was disagreeing with.

I was disagreeing with you saying that it's supposed to be a "gathering place". It's no more a gathering place than any other complex of movie theatres, bars, stores, and restaurants. If you're talking about the square itself, it's already a major gathering place, and has been for several years.

alex1
May 4, 2007, 4:28 AM
Well, aesthetically it looks much better in person than in photos (don't judge it by pictures), but that's not what I was disagreeing with.

I was disagreeing with you saying that it's supposed to be a "gathering place". It's no more a gathering place than any other complex of movie theatres, bars, stores, and restaurants. If you're talking about the square itself, it's already a major gathering place, and has been for several years.

some other Toronto poster was talking about this becoming "a gathering place..." or a "place to come together". That's what I was referring to. That's why it's in quotes as I use the term loosely.

If it is your belief that this is the absolute best way to achieve that, then so be it. Congrats.

caltrane74
May 4, 2007, 1:41 PM
some other Toronto poster was talking about this becoming "a gathering place..." or a "place to come together". That's what I was referring to. That's why it's in quotes as I use the term loosely.

If it is your belief that this is the absolute best way to achieve that, then so be it. Congrats.

IMO, the metropolis is not about achiveing "a gathering place" its about more about adding visual stimulation and activities within the square. Like J.Will stated Dundas Square is already a meeting place and has been one for at least 40 years...as one of Toronto's main intersections.

J. Will
May 4, 2007, 2:53 PM
Well "congrats" on judging a building before it's even completed - on pictures on the internet no less.

Master Plan Dan
May 4, 2007, 4:10 PM
The idea that the Movie theaters is a gathering place is a joke.

But as far as I understood... it wasn't supposed to be the "meeting place"... Dundas Square does that.

This complex, along with the Hardrock.. and the Reno at the northeast end of the Eaton Centre are like book ends. All they do is create a huge container for the site.

With all these buildings up... you kind of feel that you are in a large bowl... or meeting place.

I love this and after passing that lot every year for 4 years on my way to school... this is ten times better than what was there before.

caltrane74
May 4, 2007, 6:26 PM
(interior plans of metropolis)

http://www.metropolis.ca/pdf/metropolisFullFloorplanPkg.pdf

Hold the horses...

That cafeteria will be a cool place to hang out, with tonnes of asian food. I cant wait to get in there and check it out.

Master Plan Dan
May 4, 2007, 6:51 PM
Holy I can't wait to see that place when it is done... I am back there in August... I think that it will be done by then!

alex1
May 4, 2007, 7:47 PM
Well "congrats" on judging a building before it's even completed - on pictures on the internet no less.

tss tsssk.

it's not just photos that you can judge a building from. If this thing was built in my city, I would not be to thrilled about it. Then again, the Chicago planning commission wouldn't allow a similar idea to be built downtown (for better or for worse). You be the judge if they were wrong in doing so or not...It's obvious we don't see eye to eye and that should be okay.

alex1
May 4, 2007, 7:57 PM
IMO, the metropolis is not about achiveing "a gathering place" its about more about adding visual stimulation and activities within the square. Like J.Will stated Dundas Square is already a meeting place and has been one for at least 40 years...as one of Toronto's main intersections.

honestly, i understand the intention of the project. I never questioned the projects success from an economical or "gathering place" perspective. I trust you won't get hung up on the "gathering place" language.

heck, you know your city better than I do. If that building is something you see as "great" for that intersection, then good for you and good for Toronto.

On a side note, was there any opposition to this building and design?

Tony
May 4, 2007, 8:03 PM
honestly, i understand the intention of the project. I never questioned the projects success from an economical or "gathering place" perspective.

What do you mean by intention? The intention of pretty well any commercial development is to make money and attract people to it. How does this differ? Are we reading too much into what is quite simply a shopping mall?

alex1
May 4, 2007, 8:08 PM
^well, the move to push giant sized billboards/lights and such to attract more and more people/tourists.

caltrane74
May 4, 2007, 8:13 PM
On a side note, was there any opposition to this building and design?

No, its on Yonge, so its actually making the street better.

mello
May 4, 2007, 9:17 PM
Yeah I really think we are reading way too much in to this. All is good mon! As a future resident of the fine city of Toronto and the wonderfull country of Canada I applaud this project. Toronto is a "can do" city, I can not wait to sip espresso and dine on fine asian quisine in this epic project that we are all awaiting! Bravo TO you are truely a beacon of hope in this continent of tyranny :cheers:

J. Will
May 6, 2007, 11:35 PM
tss tsssk.

it's not just photos that you can judge a building from. If this thing was built in my city, I would not be to thrilled about it. Then again, the Chicago planning commission wouldn't allow a similar idea to be built downtown (for better or for worse). You be the judge if they were wrong in doing so or not...It's obvious we don't see eye to eye and that should be okay.

I'm not saying I don't believe you, but why would a city reject this plan when it's already approved dozens of "towers on a parking garages". This thing is nowhere near as ugly as 5+ floors of above-grade concrete parking garage. In fact, it's helping to hide one of downtown Toronto's relatively few existing above-ground parking garages.

I'd rather mask a blank wall with "tacky", colourful advertisments than leave it as is - which is what movie theatres often have.

cornholio
May 7, 2007, 9:36 AM
I cant believe people are so exited about giant mc donald and coca cola signs. Is the building cool...sure. But I also would find a giant 50 story mc arch in the midle of false creek cool..would i want it to be built, hell no. Why not just stick a huge starbucks screen on top of the cn tower. Im sure the building will be intersting and all but this in terms of billboards and advertisments is going to far imo...In my ideal world the city would be free of advertisments and billboards, and dont say that this would be a economical disaster as most people should know that this is not true. There are plenty of other ways of marketing without having to force it on to the entire population. the publci visual space should be advertisment free, except for a few un imposing discret locationns.

caltrane74
May 7, 2007, 1:26 PM
I dont believe there is such a thing as a billboard free city. Except maybe Havana??

If that's your ideal city model. Go for it!!

cornholio
May 8, 2007, 9:51 AM
^Vancouver has some decent regulations regarding bilboards and thats why you dont see things like this here. There was one huge bilboard on top of a building on Main street which was put in place before the curent regulations but I believe recently the city made the owners finaly tear the crap down.

In any case I think the bulding is interesting but I just dont understand why it has to be covered by those oversized imposing billboards. the city should not allow it...and no scare tactics by the developer like it wont be finacialy viabel are all bs, doesnt take a rocket scientist to realize that all you need is some basic economics knowledge and a good head on your shoulders.

Billboards have nothing to do with comunism and capitalism, every society needs some way of marketing projects and services to the public, but covering a city in billboards is no longer marketing but brain washing to the 10th degree.

caltrane74
May 8, 2007, 3:22 PM
I like the billboards, and they add to the vibe of Yonge and Dundas square.

alex1
May 8, 2007, 3:43 PM
I'm not saying I don't believe you, but why would a city reject this plan when it's already approved dozens of "towers on a parking garages". This thing is nowhere near as ugly as 5+ floors of above-grade concrete parking garage. In fact, it's helping to hide one of downtown Toronto's relatively few existing above-ground parking garages.

I'd rather mask a blank wall with "tacky", colourful advertisments than leave it as is - which is what movie theatres often have.

read up on the history of block 37.

Sometimes exposing parking garages for what they are is the best solution (i.e. Marina towers, Contemporaine (both concrete)). Besides, there are other ways to "mask" parking garages. Good architects can find a solution to this problem.

Chicago also has ordinances to protect from Times Square type neighborhoods from forming. Not as stringent as Vancouver however. Billboards are allowed and are strung about town. However, they don't eat away at the built fabric of the city, making building facades nothing more than commercials.

caltrane74
May 8, 2007, 4:23 PM
I'm certain Times Square is at the top of the to-do list for every Chicagoian & Vancouverite visiting New York City.

It was one of the highlights of my Trip to New York City.

Master Plan Dan
May 8, 2007, 4:32 PM
I'm certain Times Square is at the top of the to-do list for every Chicagoian & Vancouverite visiting New York City.

It was one of the highlights of my Trip to New York City.

When I went to New York, Times Square was probably the biggest disappointment.

Flip through a magazine and you will get the same experience.

salvius
May 8, 2007, 5:49 PM
^ I'm not a big fan of Times Square either, and I'm not really a big fan of this intersection in Toronto, but this development fits. After all, it is expanding on what was there for decades.

J. Will
May 8, 2007, 6:03 PM
There may be ways to mask parking garages, but that doesn't change the fact that many of Chicago's are much, much uglier than this thing.

I think some of you are confused about this building. It's built to house movie theatres, large retailers, restaurants, bars, and a museum. The "billboards" are just what the happen to put on the outside of the building. They are not the reason for building it. And they look far more attractive than some of the ugly walls I've seen in other cities.

alex1
May 8, 2007, 6:32 PM
^
i'm not confused. I know exactly what's going on. Unlike you, I think it's a bad design solution. I don't care if its the facade of an ad firm's headquarters, I prefer exciting formal executions, cornices and glass treatments to Gap commercials or McDonald billboards.

I'm sure there are Chicago garages that are done worse than this building. You bringing that point up is a straw-man argument. We're not exactly comparing poorly done garages in Chicago to this Toronto structure. You can easily stick to the reasons why you like this building and that should be suffice.

You think it's a good design solution and that is fine with me. I'm not hear to change your mind but only to state my opinion.

caltrane74
May 8, 2007, 7:36 PM
When I went to New York, Times Square was probably the biggest disappointment.

Flip through a magazine and you will get the same experience.

Well on the other hand, I do believe Dundas Square will be a better urban enviroment than Times Square once all the work has been completed.
Dundas Square is a "place", where as Times Square as mentioned before is a "place to pass through"

That was my issue when I visted Times Square....there was no place to be..or be seen. Its only a place to pass through. And I didn't like that.

J. Will
May 8, 2007, 7:49 PM
It's not a straw man argument at all. You may have not brought up Chicago's garages, but I'm trying to understand why a city that would approve them would not approve commercial signage.

Also note that this is just one side of one building. The other three sides will not be covered in massive ads.

alex1
May 8, 2007, 8:09 PM
It's not a straw man argument at all. You may have not brought up Chicago's garages, but I'm trying to understand why a city that would approve them would not approve commercial signage.

Also note that this is just one side of one building. The other three sides will not be covered in massive ads.

it is a straw man argument. you are comparing a building's facadectomy to that of an ugly garage. because in your mind, there's no reason to compare this to something done well.

I don't understand why you have a hard time distinguishing commercial signage facadectomies from parking structures. I personally can't think of one parking garage I've ever seen (anywhere) in which I would want this buildings commercialized facade treatment applied to.

seems like you're having a hard time grasping my opinion.

J. Will
May 8, 2007, 8:15 PM
I'm not trying to distinguish anything. I'm trying to understand why a city would not approve (according to you) one thing when it would approve another, far worse. I know what you're opinion is, that's not the issue. I'm trying to understand the city's stance, or if this would even be this stance. How do you know your city wouldn't approve this? Was something similar proposed and denied? The reason why I brought up parking structures is because 99% of them look far worse than this, so it can't be an issue of aesthetics. Unless something similar has been proposed there, you can't say for certain whether it would be approved or not.

I've never had a hard time grasping your opinion.

alex1
May 8, 2007, 8:16 PM
Well on the other hand, I do believe Dundas Square will be a better urban enviroment than Times Square once all the work has been completed.
Dundas Square is a "place", where as Times Square as mentioned before is a "place to pass through"

That was my issue when I visted Times Square....there was no place to be..or be seen. Its only a place to pass through. And I didn't like that.

I agree with this somewhat. TS really is a place that ushers you through and is void of that communal area to stop at. At the same time, many of the great neighborhoods and markets around the world are like this.

The communal aspect of Dundas Square does give it a nice advantage in the bigger picture of things however.

Also, while I despise TS, it is undoubtably as successful a place as any other on earth. People love this type of crap. Put enough of it up in critical mass and you've got a winning environment.

J. Will
May 8, 2007, 8:21 PM
Times Square was better to me when I first visited New York, in 1990 I believe it was.

alex1
May 8, 2007, 8:23 PM
I'm not trying to distinguish anything. I'm trying to understand why a city would not approve (according to you) one thing when it would approve another, far worse. I know what you're opinion is, that's not the issue. I'm trying to understand the city's stance, or if this would even be this stance. How do you know your city wouldn't approve this? Was something similar proposed and denied? The reason why I brought up parking structures is because 99% of them look far worse than this, so it can't be an issue of aesthetics. Unless something similar has been proposed there, you can't say for certain whether it would be approved or not.

I've never had a hard time grasping your opinion.

i'm sorry if you don't understand the difference between a commercialized facade treatment and a parking garage.

in any regards, I'd love to see what you consider an "ugly" garage. feel free to PM me.

alex1
May 8, 2007, 8:34 PM
since chicago has strong ordinances against these things jwill, this is the solution to the problem...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/25/realestate/commercial/25Real.html?ex=1335153600&en=896ffd00d8a7512c&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

the stimulant aspect of the project isn't commercial ads but video installation pieces by local artists. This could have been an amazing addition for your area.

great parking garage design for contemporaine: http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=150477

J. Will
May 8, 2007, 8:35 PM
"i'm sorry if you don't understand the difference between a commercialized facade treatment and a parking garage."

LOL!

Nothing that I said suggests that I don't know the difference between a commercialized facade treatment and a parking garage. I'm trying to understand your city's supposed stance on a hypothetical situation. I suspect your statement that your city wouldn't approve building is speculation on your part and nothing more, unless a very similar building was already turned down, or unless you work for the planning dept.

I'm sorry if you don't understand what I'm asking, or why I made the "straw man" comparison.

I know that you don't like this building. I knew you wouldn't like it before I even opened the thread based on past comments. That's not what I'm asking.

J. Will
May 8, 2007, 8:38 PM
since chicago has strong ordinances against these things jwill, this is the solution to the problem...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/25/realestate/commercial/25Real.html?ex=1335153600&en=896ffd00d8a7512c&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

the stimulant aspect of the project isn't commercial ads but video installation pieces by local artists. This could have been an amazing addition for your area.

great parking garage design for contemporaine: http://www.emporis.com/en/il/im/?id=150477

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that "Block 37" looks much better in person than it does in that picture.

fflint
May 8, 2007, 8:45 PM
I don't like the drift of this thread, and that's a problem for those causing the drift. Get back on topic, lose the veiled 'versus' crap and the tit-for-tat demeanor.

alex1
May 8, 2007, 8:45 PM
it looks like a steel frame actually.

caltrane74
May 8, 2007, 8:56 PM
Ok alex and J.Will hold hands and play nice. I dont want my thread locked.

This thread has another Year and a half to go until its finished.

Thanks guys!!!

alex1
May 8, 2007, 8:57 PM
my apologies Caltrane.

caltrane74
May 11, 2007, 3:57 PM
updated picture from metropolis website.

http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1178667450.jpg

The round nose has been enclosed.

caltrane74
May 15, 2007, 4:23 PM
· Yonge St. hoarding removal 80% complete

· Dundas St. hoarding removal to start June 3, 2007

· Hoist removed April 30, 2007

· Elevator SE1 in operation

· Power on late April 2007:

· All below grade escalators commissioned and ready for TSSA inspections

· Security rough-in ongoing - door/frame/hardware continuing

· Commissioning of escalators 1, 2, and 4 complete. Escalator 3 in the process of commissioning

· Glazing on Yonge/Dundas St. L1 (storefronts) and back pans and seals in progress

· Stair #6 complete and stair # 7 glazing is in progress

· Siding continuing along Victoria St.

· All main concrete pours complete

· Firespray on-going to theatres/AMC areas

· Roofing cap on-going - main roofs complete

· AMC L4 ceiling framing and GWB in progress

· AMC theatres progressing with studs, GWB, and M&E rough-in

· Ground floor/L2 CRUs continuing to board and complete work

· O’Keefe landscaping in progress

· Doors, frames and hardware continuing

· Base building walls /shaft is starting

framer
May 15, 2007, 10:07 PM
[QUOTE=caltrane74;2836392]

If anyone could get some pictures after the trusses for the video board are in I'd love to see them on here. Along with any other pictures anyone can get as the advertising structures go up.

caltrane74
May 16, 2007, 3:19 PM
dont worry , that will be the best part. And those pictures will not be lacking from this thread.

cal.

caltrane74
May 17, 2007, 11:27 PM
Going back in time to August of 2006

http://static.flickr.com/97/213344184_e9cc72cf83.jpg

Image courtesy of JoeyCuppa of UrbanToronto posted at flickr.com

caltrane74
Jun 7, 2007, 11:15 PM
next big update may be about 2 weeks to a month away.

Just in case anyone is actually checking this thread.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/197/475688199_e740f32cb6.jpg?v=0

framer
Jun 8, 2007, 4:53 PM
I've been checking the thread. Thanks for the pictures.

caltrane74
Jun 9, 2007, 4:25 PM
http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1181258569.jpg

http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1181258385.jpg


http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1181258655.jpg

framer
Jun 11, 2007, 8:14 PM
Thanks for the pix. Don't forget to post some of the trusses to the video board frame and the video board frame and signs when they go up.

caltrane74
Jun 12, 2007, 1:58 PM
I won't.

That will be the best part of this thread!

puncbuggy
Jun 15, 2007, 6:25 PM
sweeeeeeeet

framer
Jun 19, 2007, 8:21 PM
Any opinions on how accurate the stringers (curved 4x4 tubing) to the video board will be relative to the plans? I was told +/- 1/2" at any point. Hope that holds true!!!

caltrane74
Jul 23, 2007, 1:28 PM
Signs going up on the Toronto Life Square ( aka Metropolis)

http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/sign.jpg

the first one is not that great, looks like just a backlit ad. oh well.. lets wait for the LED display ads...

caltrane74
Jul 25, 2007, 1:11 PM
http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1185044352.jpg

http://www.metropolis.ca/gallery/images/1185143185.jpg

More pictures!!!

Signs going up.

borgo100
Jul 28, 2007, 4:19 AM
Went to Dundas today, The Superbad AD is so dirty

caltrane74
Jul 28, 2007, 9:53 PM
maybe the rain will clean it up.

caltrane74
Aug 2, 2007, 2:34 PM
]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/spmarshall/Update/TLS1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/spmarshall/Update/TLS2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v297/spmarshall/Update/TLS3.jpg

fans added.

pics courtesy of SeaTrans www.urbantoronto.ca