[armorand93]

Yeah, I suspect the amount of buses has increased a bit. They've recycled series numbers, for example the series 1xx and 6xx, a lot quicker in the last 3 years than they have in the last 15. I won't be surprised that they will start with the series 300-330, once those MCI buses are gone.

800s are nearly decimated, so those ones could be next IMO

[trebor204]

Winnipeg Transit has updated their webpage for the new Transitway
(Includes pictures, and routing infomation)
Schedule infomation would be made avaiable in early March.


http://winnipegtransit.com/en/southwest-transitway

[armorand93]

Winnipeg Transit has updated their webpage for the new Transitway
(Includes pictures, and routing infomation)
Schedule infomation would be made avaiable in early March.


http://winnipegtransit.com/en/southwest-transitway

Join CPTDB, there then you can get that stuff right from the people inside Transit!

[jimj_wpg]

GRANT AVENUE ROUTES

Characteristics:


Routes 64, 65, and 66 operating between Charleswood/River Heights/Lindenwoods and downtown enter/exit the transitway at Pembina & Warsaw, bypassing traffic congestion at Osborne Junction and on Donald Street/Midtown Bridge
Use northern part of transitway (Warsaw – Queen Elizabeth Way)
Transitway Stations Served: Osborne, Harkness

I don't think so, WT...

Now IF, and that's a BIG IF...I really liked this BRT in the first place, I MIGHT make an extra effort on my part to go out of MY WAY to ride this and exit/enter at Harkness Station...

But because I couldn't give a Rat's Ass about this F**kin BRT, then WT, I'm gonna go outa MY WAY and will intentionally AVOID using it.

What weed does Mr. Menzies the Reptilian SMOKE? Cause I DON'T WANT the SHIT that he has.

The SMART THING to have done, but the admin. at WT ain't that SMART...would have been to re-route the 66 Grant and terminate it at Stafford Pembina Loop...Then have an RT station there. But nooooo... That would have made TOO MUCH SENSE.

The new downtown routing is just as STUPID...the 66 used to circle on Donald and Smith at Ellice Ave. where there is still lots of high density offices, shopping, etc... NOW...It's gonna turn around in the middle of nowhere...near the Manitoba Legislature... If it's already there, why not already terminate at the U of W a few blocks to the North? But NOOOO, that would make too much sense Bill!

There are no changes to the routing of the following existing service in southwest Winnipeg:


29 Sherbrook

Under MY plan...the 29 would improve headways...instead of running every 25-30 minutes, would run every 10 minutes and would provide excellent connections with the Legislature Station (underground subway) and Union Station and beyond.

Route 160 Pembina RT ... "observes all local stops between Jubillee and the Univ. of Manitoba.

Route 65 Grant Express...for the past few years now, used to serve the Princess St. campus of Red River College...But on April 8 2012 and afterwards no longer will. Instead passengers will have to transfer to another bus route to get there...and instead this route will terminate near the Manitoba Legislature (future Winnipeg City Hall).

WHAT A JOKE!

Thanks WT for screwing up our commuting routes.

[armorand93]

What weed does Mr. Menzies the Reptilian SMOKE? Cause I DON'T WANT the SHIT that he has.



I once messaged the guy via "Rapid Transit Feedback" with my transit ideas for the future (hence the term feedback), and he replied. After I sent more ideas though, he didnt even bother. So much for customer service....

[jimj_wpg]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2012/02/09/mb-winnipeg-rapid-transit-trouble.html?cmp=rss

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2012/02/09/li-300-rapidtransit.jpg CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html)

Posted: Feb 9, 2012 5:07 PM CST

Winnipeg's new rapid transit system will add extra commute time for a few travellers.
(CBC)

At least one south Winnipeg commuter is considering taking his car to work because the new rapid transit service will add extra time to his daily travel. Winnipeg's new rapid transit corridor, to launch April 8 through Fort Rouge and Fort Garry is supposed to bring faster service and environmental benefits for those using the city's public transportation system.
But for Philippe Bardet the new rapid transitway will mean his local bus stop will be phased out.
Bardet boards a bus at Stafford Street and Pembina Highway every morning for a quick ride to his job in the Fort Garry Industrial park. "I don't mind taking the bus," he said.
But when Bardet's bus stop disappears he'll then have to use a different stop, transfer, and ride two buses to and from work. Transit officials acknowledge some riders will have to transfer as a result of the changes.
Bardet predicts the change will add ten minutes to his commute, so he may actually decide to take his car to work. "If it takes me 35 minutes, most likely I will switch back to my car and basically do the five- to 10-minute trip," he said. "I don't think it's the city's goal to increase the amount of cars on the streets," he noted.
Transit officials say very few riders will have to transfer and most people will find their trip faster and more convenient. Transit will post details on the new routes next week.

[armorand93]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/story/2012/02/09/mb-winnipeg-rapid-transit-trouble.html?cmp=rss

http://www.cbc.ca/gfx/images/news/photos/2012/02/09/li-300-rapidtransit.jpg CBC News (http://www.cbc.ca/news/credit.html)

Posted: Feb 9, 2012 5:07 PM CST

Winnipeg's new rapid transit system will add extra commute time for a few travellers.
(CBC)

At least one south Winnipeg commuter is considering taking his car to work because the new rapid transit service will add extra time to his daily travel. Winnipeg's new rapid transit corridor, to launch April 8 through Fort Rouge and Fort Garry is supposed to bring faster service and environmental benefits for those using the city's public transportation system.
But for Philippe Bardet the new rapid transitway will mean his local bus stop will be phased out.
Bardet boards a bus at Stafford Street and Pembina Highway every morning for a quick ride to his job in the Fort Garry Industrial park. "I don't mind taking the bus," he said.
But when Bardet's bus stop disappears he'll then have to use a different stop, transfer, and ride two buses to and from work. Transit officials acknowledge some riders will have to transfer as a result of the changes.
Bardet predicts the change will add ten minutes to his commute, so he may actually decide to take his car to work. "If it takes me 35 minutes, most likely I will switch back to my car and basically do the five- to 10-minute trip," he said. "I don't think it's the city's goal to increase the amount of cars on the streets," he noted.
Transit officials say very few riders will have to transfer and most people will find their trip faster and more convenient. Transit will post details on the new routes next week.

oooOOOoooo, two buses, big deal. I ride two buses to work and I'm perfectly fine

[vid]

A few riders will be lost, but more will be gained and the net benefit will be positive. He should feel lucky that he can even afford a car.

[SKYSTHELIMIT]

oooOOOoooo, two buses, big deal. I ride two buses to work and I'm perfectly fine

You missed the point here armorand, this person has an option with the car but transit previous was just as convenient. Now with having to transfer it looks to be twice as long not to mention dealing with the elements it would seem it is a big deal for somebody who owns a car.

[pollswpg]

A few riders will be lost, but more will be gained and the net benefit will be positive. He should feel lucky that he can even afford a car.

Exactly. People are criticizing it before it's even had a chance to get going. It's our first rapid transit line...obviously there's going to be schedule and route changes. And that'll happen everytime a new line (hopefully) opens. In the long run it'll be good.

[jimj_wpg]

I wrote:

The new downtown routing is just as STUPID...the 66 used to circle on Donald and Smith at Ellice Ave. where there is still lots of high density offices, shopping, etc... NOW...It's gonna turn around in the middle of nowhere...near the Manitoba Legislature... If it's already there, why not already terminate at the U of W a few blocks to the North? But NOOOO, that would make too much sense Bill!

Re-considering a better new end terminus for the 65 Grant Express and 66 Grant...

Instead of the Univ. of Winnipeg, maybe these two routes would travel the short distance along Osborne St. and turn around at Broadway @ Osborne St. (eastbound Legislature), and then head back down Memorial, Vaughan, etc...

At least then, those that need to transfer have a heated shelter to keep warm in...

Otherwise passengers must walk a fair distance in the vicinity, which can be quite cold because of the lack of buildings close by.

[jimj_wpg]

...

[Kinguni]

Re-considering a better new end terminus for the 65 Grant Express and 66 Grant...

Instead of the Univ. of Winnipeg, maybe these two routes would travel the short distance along Osborne St. and turn around at Broadway @ Osborne St. (eastbound Legislature), and then head back down Memorial, Vaughan, etc...
Going to be too many buses going to Balmoral Station as it is which is the reason for sending these routes to Memorial@York. Probably few will ride it that far.

[armorand93]

Going to be too many buses going to Balmoral Station as it is which is the reason for sending these routes to Memorial@York. Probably few will ride it that far.

Sure going to be fun to watch the traffic jam of RT routes, Transcona, Portage, St-Vital and Charleswood routes clogging up at the U of M :P

BTW, welcome back Kinguni. Been awhile since I've seen you post on here or CPTDB

[headhorse]

Some interesting ideas for Confusion Corner from blogger "the cold cold ground":

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IFzLb0jiDUc/TziHJ2iZ8QI/AAAAAAAAAMM/F9jLJhqA6yo/s1600/confusion+corner+drawing.png
from http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IFzLb0jiDUc/TziHJ2iZ8QI/AAAAAAAAAMM/F9jLJhqA6yo/s1600/confusion+corner+drawing.png

http://thecoldcoldground.blogspot.com/2012/02/more-fun-with-paint-confusion-corner.html

[h0twired]

You missed the point here armorand, this person has an option with the car but transit previous was just as convenient. Now with having to transfer it looks to be twice as long not to mention dealing with the elements it would seem it is a big deal for somebody who owns a car.

Would be the same scenario if the RT was a train.

Most people in Calgary transfer from bus to train every day.

With progress comes change.

[Andy6]

Some interesting ideas for Confusion Corner from blogger "the cold cold ground":

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IFzLb0jiDUc/TziHJ2iZ8QI/AAAAAAAAAMM/F9jLJhqA6yo/s1600/confusion+corner+drawing.png
from http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-IFzLb0jiDUc/TziHJ2iZ8QI/AAAAAAAAAMM/F9jLJhqA6yo/s1600/confusion+corner+drawing.png

http://thecoldcoldground.blogspot.com/2012/02/more-fun-with-paint-confusion-corner.html

That would certainly not require the re-naming of Confusion Corner!

[vid]

No, but it's interesting.

[armorand93]

That would certainly not require the re-naming of Confusion Corner!

That'd keep my beloved Burger King! :D

[The Jabroni]

That's actually quite an insightful diagram. Although relative traffic volume will actually increase around, now that through traffic of Osbourne must divert with the direction of traffic flow, but I'm sure the amount of lanes that are required will alleviate that.

[roccerfeller]

^ That would be a smart redesign of Confusion Corner, ideally, as an open market style pedestrian zone really fits into that area.


And its still pretty damn confusing.

[armorand93]

^ That would be a smart redesign of Confusion Corner, ideally, as an open market style pedestrian zone really fits into that area.


And its still pretty damn confusing.

And theres not much new retail space! There should be an mini-mall like Eau Claire Market or Calgarys Chinatown Mall with nothing but independent, small businesses. That'd be nice!

[jimj_wpg]

I was in the AnX (U of W) bookstore on Thursday afternoon.

I wanted a set of bus tickets.

They don't sell them there. The woman directed me to:


The Bay
The UWSA Office

The AnX bookstore woman gave the excuse of why they couldn't sell WT items...

"We'd be competing with the UWSA".

I said nevermind, and I checked my pocket and lo and behold had enough for a ride back to the Library.

In other cities with rapid transit, you can purchase Day Passes, monthly passes, transfers at each rapid transit station (Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver)....

But not in Winnipeg...

Another reason why we're sooo behind and backwards....

[MalcolmTucker]

In Calgary I believe the capability of buying more than a single ride ticket was only added with the new ticket machines in the last year. For post secondary students in Calgary they also all have a mandatory bus pass so student ID is your bus pass, so no need to sell.

[cheswick]

In Calgary I believe the capability of buying more than a single ride ticket was only added with the new ticket machines in the last year. For post secondary students in Calgary they also all have a mandatory bus pass so student ID is your bus pass, so no need to sell.

IIRC When the post secondary bus pass was being negotiated for Winnipeg, Winnipeg transit wanted to make it mandatory for all students and be included in their fees. I think umsu turned down that proposal and we got the discounted pass available only on campuses.

[armorand93]

I was in the AnX (U of W) bookstore on Thursday afternoon.

I wanted a set of bus tickets.

They don't sell them there. The woman directed me to:


The Bay
The UWSA Office

The AnX bookstore woman gave the excuse of why they couldn't sell WT items...

"We'd be competing with the UWSA".

I said nevermind, and I checked my pocket and lo and behold had enough for a ride back to the Library.

In other cities with rapid transit, you can purchase Day Passes, monthly passes, transfers at each rapid transit station (Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver)....

But not in Winnipeg...

Another reason why we're sooo behind and backwards....

Competing? They're pretty much the same thing!

[h0twired]

I was in the AnX (U of W) bookstore on Thursday afternoon.

I wanted a set of bus tickets.

They don't sell them there. The woman directed me to:


The Bay
The UWSA Office

The AnX bookstore woman gave the excuse of why they couldn't sell WT items...

"We'd be competing with the UWSA".

I said nevermind, and I checked my pocket and lo and behold had enough for a ride back to the Library.

In other cities with rapid transit, you can purchase Day Passes, monthly passes, transfers at each rapid transit station (Toronto, Calgary, Vancouver)....

But not in Winnipeg...

Another reason why we're sooo behind and backwards....

Name ONE city where you can buy a ticket to ride at a bus stop. Not to mention that all cities have a certain number of locations where you can buy tickets and monthly passes.

Sure you can buy single trip tickets or load magstripe cars at rapid transit stations in other cities, but Winnipeg does not yet have RT functioning nor does it have electronic fare boxes (coming soon as well).

So until then you will have to go to a specific retailer. However once RT is in place you might be able to walk to an RT station from the U of W AnX if you should so choose.

[h0twired]

IIRC When the post secondary bus pass was being negotiated for Winnipeg, Winnipeg transit wanted to make it mandatory for all students and be included in their fees. I think umsu turned down that proposal and we got the discounted pass available only on campuses.

That is what they do in Calgary. All students are required to pay for the UPass with their student fees.

It costs students $110/semester in Calgary.

[vid]

Do many students there complain about the UPass? In Thunder Bay there are a lot that bitch about the $70/year charge for it. That's how much everyone else pays per month.

[MalcolmTucker]

I never heard people complain about the UPass amongst by cohort - but I experienced life with and without. Parking became way easier (but not cheaper) once the UPass came in. Also, the cost was so low that it provided value beyond the portion of the student body the commuted by transit every day. Made casual group outings easier to manage for sure.

[vid]

I guess people here just complain about everything. :shrug:

[armorand93]

I guess people here just complain about everything. :shrug:

There's already a war going about over $2.65 fare.

Also, 604 spotted on the 11 today!

[jimj_wpg]

I guess people here just complain about everything. :shrug:

Yup. Gives us a reason to fill up the pages of SSP. :cheers:

[vid]

I was referring to Thunder Bay, but that statement applies to Internet as well.

[Tower Crane]

I got a good look at the whole BRT setup while in the PEG yesterday. I have to say that I don't like it, these roads will end up suffering the same winter freeze though as the others and all you have is another road to fix.

This Experiment gets an "F" in my book, cheap looking, backwards thinking decisions made hear.

P.S. I ain't slammin the PEG, I just think that it deserves better than a new bus on another road.

[rypinion]

I got a good look at the whole BRT setup while in the PEG yesterday. I have to say that I don't like it, these roads will end up suffering the same winter freeze though as the others and all you have is another road to fix.

This Experiment gets an "F" in my book, cheap looking, backwards thinking decisions made hear.

P.S. I ain't slammin the PEG, I just think that it deserves better than a new bus on another road.

And an LRT system would be maintenance-free?

[pollswpg]

I got a good look at the whole BRT setup while in the PEG yesterday. I have to say that I don't like it, these roads will end up suffering the same winter freeze though as the others and all you have is another road to fix.

This Experiment gets an "F" in my book, cheap looking, backwards thinking decisions made hear.

P.S. I ain't slammin the PEG, I just think that it deserves better than a new bus on another road.

It's step one. They weren't building the Toronto Subway System. This line is just going to be one of many, and maybe LRT somewhere down the road. Hopefully it'll evolve into something, don't be so negative.

[dpenner]

its ok he is entitled to his opinions and in all honesty we won't know if this project is a success or not until a year after the route starts running. I have been spoiled by Bus Rapid Transit while living in Ottawa the last 4 years, hopefully Winnipeg's can somewhat replicate it in the future.

[h0twired]

And an LRT system would be maintenance-free?

My thoughts exactly.

In Calgary when a train is down and in the middle of a track the entire system gets VERY delayed and they send out buses to move people around.

With a BRT if a bus breaks down they just send another bus and it happily goes around the dead bus.

[MalcolmTucker]

With a BRT if a bus breaks down they just send another bus and it happily goes around the dead bus.
If you have a passing lane, which it is hard to tell from drawings where they are. Are all the stations 4 laned?

And I don't think the remark was about buses breaking down, but the road becoming unservicable just as other roads do.

[h0twired]

If you have a passing lane, which it is hard to tell from drawings where they are. Are all the stations 4 laned?

And I don't think the remark was about buses breaking down, but the road becoming unservicable just as other roads do.

Given the fact that only buses will be on the BRT roadway I really don't see any issues with the buses being able to go around the dead bus. Even if there are only two lanes its not like there is a ton of oncoming traffic to dodge.

LRTs require track maintenance too. Calgary over the past few years has replaced all of their downtown track as well as their stations without any major disruption. Considering the BRT roadways will be VERY underused compared to the average road, I don't see the regular maintenance to be that intrusive to the system.

[armorand93]

Given the fact that only buses will be on the BRT roadway I really don't see any issues with the buses being able to go around the dead bus. Even if there are only two lanes its not like there is a ton of oncoming traffic to dodge.

LRTs require track maintenance too. Calgary over the past few years has replaced all of their downtown track as well as their stations without any major disruption. Considering the BRT roadways will be VERY underused compared to the average road, I don't see the regular maintenance to be that intrusive to the system.

Example of ETS track maintenance (note: noise is loud, turn down volume before watching):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S_e52NxNB2s

[h0twired]

Here is the Calgary C-Train maintenance log showing scheduled service outages where shuttle buses have to move people around.

http://www.calgarytransit.com/html/lrt_mtce_archive.html

[armorand93]

Here is the Calgary C-Train maintenance log showing scheduled service outages where shuttle buses have to move people around.

http://www.calgarytransit.com/html/lrt_mtce_archive.html

During the gas leak in October on 7th Avenue, I decided to avoid the shuttles, take Route 9 to U of C, then wander through the campus to University station and get on a less-sardined train! For us with the SWRTC, we can just route it all down Pembina and Osborne with no worries

[Kinguni]

If you have a passing lane, which it is hard to tell from drawings where they are. Are all the stations 4 laned?

And I don't think the remark was about buses breaking down, but the road becoming unservicable just as other roads do.

Only Fort Rouge station has 4 lanes. Osborne Station has a pull out at the north end of the station. Harkness Station has pull outs at the south end. There are plans in place for the possibility of a blocked station.

[armorand93]

First off, does anyone know why the Luminator sign changed to fully capitalized lettering from this?

http://www.busdrawings.com/Transit/manitoba/winnipeg/d40lf/1998d40lf/416left.jpg

(borrowed with permission; http://busdrawings.com/Transit/manitoba/winnipeg/d40lf/1998d40lf/)

Also, got a picture of 863 today! Will upload soon

[trebor204]

Winnipeg Transit is looking to purchase 20 pre-owned 60-foot artuculated buses from New-Flyer



http://www.winnipeg.ca/CLKDMIS/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=11667&SectionId=&InitUrl=



See report #3



Report #2 - Details on by-laws on the Transit Corridor

[Auror]

First off, does anyone know why the Luminator sign changed to fully capitalized lettering from this?

http://www.busdrawings.com/Transit/manitoba/winnipeg/d40lf/1998d40lf/416left.jpg

(borrowed with permission; http://busdrawings.com/Transit/manitoba/winnipeg/d40lf/1998d40lf/)

Also, got a picture of 863 today! Will upload soon

Probably easier to read from a distance? I mean, the G in there is small but capitalized styled.

[armorand93]

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/417350_333875593315507_100000792081288_849891_1982137046_n.jpg

[vid]

It's a legibility issue. The current version of Luminator signs (with the amber LEDs) is by far the most readable destination sign buses have ever have. I can tell what route is coming by the shape the lights make when the bus is almost half a mile away. On really long streets you can watch its amber bar of light slowly creep toward you.

[The Jabroni]

Probably in the future, when they make the LED beater boards go "HD" and whatnot, that's when we will see the return of the typography "Like This" instead of "LIKE THIS" because the former is a lot easier to read than the latter anyways, just like how the old beater boards from the remaining D40HF buses have right now.

[Auror]

I remember that when I used to take the bus, the ones with magnetic flipping side, not the LED ones (whatever you call it), often seem to break. Especially the back where the numbers are. It often shows jumbled up.

[Authentic_City]

Winnipeg Transit is looking to purchase 20 pre-owned 60-foot artuculated buses from New-Flyer


That would be cool. It's about time they did something to alleviate the congestion on busy routes during peak times. But, according to this report, we may not see these in service until 2014...

[armorand93]

That would be cool. It's about time they did something to alleviate the congestion on busy routes during peak times. But, according to this report, we may not see these in service until 2014...

According to the report though, NFI has offered heated storage, refurbishment and stuff until the RT garage is up and running?

[Auror]

Winnipeg Transit is looking to purchase 20 pre-owned 60-foot artuculated buses from New-Flyer



http://www.winnipeg.ca/CLKDMIS/ViewDoc.asp?DocId=11667&SectionId=&InitUrl=



See report #3



Report #2 - Details on by-laws on the Transit Corridor

I see on the WFP website about this, and someone commented:

Articulated busses in Ottawa are part of the reason I avoid busses here. They suck in their own exhaust so that I am ill every time I get stuck on one. Generally the day after riding one I have a severe migraine. Even some drivers have been ill from driving them. Since the transit company here will not provide information on what routes are using them, its extremely hard to plan trips to avoid them. The older busses are worse than the new ones, which might explain why Ottawa traded them in. This is a bad deal for Winnipeg.

If the engine is in the back of the first half, wouldn't they just put the exhaust all the way in the back to prevent this?

[h0twired]

I see on the WFP website about this, and someone commented:

Articulated busses in Ottawa are part of the reason I avoid busses here. They suck in their own exhaust so that I am ill every time I get stuck on one. Generally the day after riding one I have a severe migraine. Even some drivers have been ill from driving them. Since the transit company here will not provide information on what routes are using them, its extremely hard to plan trips to avoid them. The older busses are worse than the new ones, which might explain why Ottawa traded them in. This is a bad deal for Winnipeg.

If the engine is in the back of the first half, wouldn't they just put the exhaust all the way in the back to prevent this?

Since when?

Exhaust flows out of the back of all New Flyer models as well as other manufacturers models.

Here are some examples of the Ottawa BRT buses. All of the exhaust leaves via the back of the bus.

EDIT - Images deleted. I have illustrated my point and armorand93 reposted them for me

[MalcolmTucker]

Yeah, I would have to guess the Ottawa issue is just having too many diesels too close together at many points in the system idling.

And love this picture, an Edmonton bus, serving a Calgary route. A rare sight indeed.
http://www.kevinsbusrail.com/features/ets4908ct/ets_4908ct-tour-28.jpg

[armorand93]

Since when?

Exhaust flows out of the back of all New Flyer models as well as other manufacturers models.

http://www.busdrawings.com/Transit/alberta/calgary/d60lfr/2008d60lfr/130409-6558ct6022.jpg
http://www.barp.ca/bus/bctransit/vancouver/newflyer/d60lf/r8067.jpg
http://www.kevinsbusrail.com/features/ets4908ct/ets_4908ct-tour-28.jpg


Just wondering, you asked to use their photos right? They're on the other forum I'm on and they'd be pissed if you posted them without their permission. Already banned one guy for using one without permission...

[The Jabroni]

We should have had these buses years ago, even before that DE60LF winter trials here a few years back. It would solve some overcrowding we currently have in the 40 footers on some routes. Over the years, I found the 18 during rush hour (and even it's 32 express counterpart) getting more crowded than before. Although I know there are higher priority routes that desperately need these 60 footers, so it's a huge start if this transaction goes through.

[h0twired]

You would have to be a SERIOUS douchecanoe to get worked up about someone else posting your pictures of transit buses on a forum thread about transit buses.

Especially considering that they are already watermarked with the photographers name.

[cheswick]

You would have to be a SERIOUS douchecanoe to get worked up about someone else posting your pictures of transit buses on a forum thread about transit buses.

Especially considering that they are already watermarked with the photographers name.

He technically posted code that links to the source material much like google does. Users' browsers interpret that code and display the image that is residing on the copywrite owners server. I understand skyscraper forum rules and the law are two different things but it's not infringing on any copywrites by inline linking (in the US anyway, Perfect10 sued Google for showing linked images and it was ruled it was not inviolation of copywright law since google did not have a copy of said image. That's my understanding anyway, could be wrong).

[kw5150]

He technically posted code that links to the source material much like google does. Users' browsers interpret that code and display the image that is residing on the copywrite owners server. I understand skyscraper forum rules and the law are two different things but it's not infringing on any copywrites by inline linking (in the US anyway, Perfect10 sued Google for showing linked images and it was ruled it was not inviolation of copywright law since google did not have a copy of said image. That's my understanding anyway, could be wrong).

Yes, but isnt this site for educational purposes mostly and harmless discussion??

[rypinion]

Yes, but isnt this site for educational purposes mostly and harmless discussion??

What cheswick is getting at (I think) is that hotlinking those images is potentially costing the person who has hosted them money.

Those photos are coming from http://www.busdrawings.com/, http://www.barp.ca and http://www.kevinsbusrail.com, not something like imgur, flickr or imageshack.

[armorand93]

What cheswick is getting at (I think) is that hotlinking those images is potentially costing the person who has hosted them money.

Those photos are coming from http://www.busdrawings.com/, http://www.barp.ca and http://www.kevinsbusrail.com, not something like imgur, flickr or imageshack.

Money? I asked the host of busdrawings myself if I can borrow one of his pics, and he agreed, no money owed or anything. One guy on the other forum i'm on, used a TONNE of pics from these guys. He got banned fast. What I'm saying, is just ask these guys if you can use the pic. And also to not pass them of as your own what-so-ever :P

And also, don't need to call me a "douchecanoe" hotwired. we all know what happened to tupac-shakur and his personal attack. also haven't really turned it personal on you either, although you've been the main critic of my posts on this section since i joined. just saying...

[rypinion]

Money? I asked the host of busdrawings myself if I can borrow one of his pics, and he agreed, no money owed or anything. One guy on the other forum i'm on, used a TONNE of pics from these guys. He got banned fast. What I'm saying, is just ask these guys if you can use the pic. And also to not pass them of as your own what-so-ever :P

And also, don't need to call me a "douchecanoe" hotwired. we all know what happened to tupac-shakur and his personal attack. also haven't really turned it personal on you either, although you've been the main critic of my posts on this section since i joined. just saying...

A. I wasn't talking about your comment, I was talking about cheswick's.
B. hotwired was not calling you a douchcanoe, he was referring to the people on the main forum that host the images.

[rypinion]

Further to mine and cheswick's posts, (way off topic, sorry) there's two issues involved:

1. Copyright
2. Hotlinking (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inline_linking)

In 1, the person who takes the photo has control (unless they've given it up) over who copies and displays the photo.

In 2, the person who hosts the image file on their server doesn't always want others to link directly to that exact file, because they have to pay their ISP by the MB that is downloaded. If someone goes and links that actual image file on this discussion board, then every person who views the thread just cost the person 200KB of bandwidth.

[pollswpg]

A. I wasn't talking about your comment, I was talking about cheswick's.
B. hotwired was not calling you a douchcanoe, he was referring to the people on the main forum that host the images.

And C. Douchecanoe is a hilarious insult

[rypinion]

And C. Douchecanoe is a hilarious insult

Yes, I enjoyed it too.

[vid]

In 1, the person who takes the photo has control (unless they've given it up) over who copies and displays the photo.

The exception of this of course is if it is part of a discussion for information purposes and used in a way that generates no profit. It is called "fair use" and that is what we've done in this discussion.

In 2, the person who hosts the image file on their server doesn't always want others to link directly to that exact file, because they have to pay their ISP by the MB that is downloaded. If someone goes and links that actual image file on this discussion board, then every person who views the thread just cost the person 200KB of bandwidth.

Then do they want people to see the photos or not?

Honestly, the people at CPTDB are so extremely protective of their bus photos that it borders on the absurd.

[h0twired]

The exception of this of course is if it is part of a discussion for information purposes and used in a way that generates no profit. It is called "fair use" and that is what we've done in this discussion.

Then do they want people to see the photos or not?

Honestly, the people at CPTDB are so extremely protective of their bus photos that it borders on the absurd.

A+

Seriously. They are pictures of BUSES. Not exactly celebrity nudes or anything here.

The whole "bandwidth being used" logic makes no sense whatsoever. You can easily program your website to disallow hot linking without a local referrer if you are that protective of your bandwidth.

That said. I pay about $9/month for my web hosting. I get unlimited domains, unlimited disk space and unlimited bandwidth. Perhaps they should move their hosting if bandwidth is so precious. Even then it makes no sense since they are the ones that put their images online to begin with.

I have a feeling these guys are so protective of their bus photos because their ego gets stroked when others ask them for permission to use their pictures.

[rypinion]

A+

Seriously. They are pictures of BUSES. Not exactly celebrity nudes or anything here.

The whole "bandwidth being used" logic makes no sense whatsoever. You can easily program your website to disallow hot linking without a local referrer if you are that protective of your bandwidth.

That said. I pay about $9/month for my web hosting. I get unlimited domains, unlimited disk space and unlimited bandwidth. Perhaps they should move their hosting if bandwidth is so precious. Even then it makes no sense since they are the ones that put their images online to begin with.

I have a feeling these guys are so protective of their bus photos because their ego gets stroked when others ask them for permission to use their pictures.

I completely agree, I was just making sure all points were known.

[cllew]

Interesting reading the justification from the Public works committee on buying the used buses, where Winnipeg Transit says these buses require a spare ratio of 20% compared to the normal ratio of 11% for the normal 40 ft buses.

It looks like they expect twice as many of them to be out of service at dispatch time than the existing ones they own.

Transit also said they want to start replacing them at the rate of 1 or 2 a year in 2016 so it could take 10 to 20 years before these used ones are all off the street.

[armorand93]

Interesting reading the justification from the Public works committee on buying the used buses, where Winnipeg Transit says these buses require a spare ratio of 20% compared to the normal ratio of 11% for the normal 40 ft buses.

It looks like they expect twice as many of them to be out of service at dispatch time than the existing ones they own.

Transit also said they want to start replacing them at the rate of 1 or 2 a year in 2016 so it could take 10 to 20 years before these used ones are all off the street.

20 years on a used bus?

[cllew]

That's what I was thinking, why would there not be a more aggressive budget for replacement of them? Unless this is a numbers game to slide the purchase through this year, and in the coming years there will be an "emergency" budget amount requested for replacement.

[armorand93]

That's what I was thinking, why would there not be a more aggressive budget for replacement of them? Unless this is a numbers game to slide the purchase through this year, and in the coming years there will be an "emergency" budget amount requested for replacement.

Or another 20 cent fare hike

[The Jabroni]

Bendy buses deemed 'lemons'
City considers used vehicles with history of catching fire
By: Jen Skerritt
Posted: 03/6/2012 1:00 AM | Comments: 51 (including replies)
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The City of Ottawa plans to replace its aging fleet with these new articulated buses. Winnipeg has first dibs on the old buses that were traded in.
The used bendy buses Winnipeg wants to buy have been called "lemons" and were part of Ottawa's old fleet that had faulty parts that caused some buses to catch fire.
Last week, Winnipeg Transit announced it wants to spend $1.1 million to purchase the articulated buses at a discounted rate from New Flyer Industries after Ottawa traded them in for new buses. The buses will cost $53,000 each, instead of the $625,000 they would cost if purchased new.
In total, it will cost Winnipeg $2.2 million to buy and fix up the buses.

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/local/bendy-buses-deemed-lemons-141546263.html

[GORDBO]

:previous:

Reminds me of when the feds bought those used subs from Britain.

We all know what happened with that!!!

[armorand93]

:previous:

Reminds me of when the feds bought those used subs from Britain.

We all know what happened with that!!!

We all sink in a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine, a yellow submarine!

[trebor204]

Winnipeg Transit has posted the new timetables for the rapid transit.


A couple of sample trips:
It would hard to compare the 60/160 since they have different routing through the downtown.

UofM - Downtown

Current 60 - Leaves:

UoM @ 7:43 am
Pembina / Oakenwald - 7:57 am
Osborne Junction - 8:07 am
Osborne/Broadway - 8:12 am
Garry/ Portage - 8:22 am


New 160

UofM - 7:44 am
Pembina / Oakenwald - 7:56 am
FortRouge Station - 8:00 am (about 8:02 at Osborne Station)
Union Station - 8:06 am
UofW - 8:16 am



Downtown - UofM


60
Gary / Portage - 15:44
Osborne/Broadway - 15:54
Osborne Junction - 16:00
Pembina / McGillivary - 16:11
UofM - 16:26


160 -
UofW - 3:51 pm
Main / Broadway - 4:01 pm
Fort Rouge Station - 4:07 pm (around 4:05 at Osborne Station)
Pembina / McGillivary - 16:11
UofM - 16:26

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As of right now the 162 schedule has not been posted, (170 is posted)







I check route 185 (UofM to Osborne Village)

from the time it enters the Transitway @ Jubille to Harkness Station is 4 minutes

Jubilee to Fort Rouge Station - 1 Minute
Fort Rouge Station to Harkness - 3 minutes.

[alittle1]

So....tell me again, how much did it cost me (The Taxpayer) for some University student to save 6 minutes?

I'm waiting.......

[Auror]

Thats with half a rapid transit line.

More than just university students. But other bus routes
Economic and development spinoffs
Less bus on Pembina
etc

[pollswpg]

So....tell me again, how much did it cost me (The Taxpayer) for some University student to save 6 minutes?

I'm waiting.......

6 mins maybe during regular, low-traffic. But I think the rapid transit line will save a lot of time during rush hour on Donald. Especially once (if) that second leg is built.

Anyone who has driven from downtown to south pembina during rush hour can back me up on that.

[armorand93]

6 mins maybe during regular, low-traffic. But I think the rapid transit line will save a lot of time during rush hour on Donald. Especially once (if) that second leg is built.

Anyone who has driven from downtown to south pembina during rush hour can back me up on that.

Or rode the whole way there on a bus, with some guys ass in your face. That too :P

[alittle1]

Or rode the whole way there on a bus, with some guys ass in your face. That too :P

Correct me if I am wrong, but can you not put more people in a unit if it is a 'standing load' then a sitting down load? Why not remove the seats on one side and allow more hand straps to accommodate a standing load, seeing as how the trip won't be that long anyway.(six minutes is six minutes). That way you won't have to have someones ass in your face.

If Transit was smart, they would put a bench about 12 inches wide at stool height along one side, so that you could rest a cheek or a book bag for the duration.

[MalcolmTucker]

In Toronto the buses have two person seats on one side of the bus, and one person seats on the other to allow for more standees.

[alittle1]

I was suggesting leaners, or people that wanted to put a leg up for a couple of minutes.

[spiritedenergy]

I wonder how people along Osborne street north and West Broadway are going to access the 160 and 162? Transit is moving all the buses along main street, where no one lives, away from Osborne and Wesy Broadway, where most students and people are. It's so unconvenient to be honest. They should have come up with better routes

[cheswick]

In Toronto the buses have two person seats on one side of the bus, and one person seats on the other to allow for more standees.

Same for Montreal. I think it might even be only one seat per side

[armorand93]

I wonder how people along Osborne street north and West Broadway are going to access the 160 and 162? Transit is moving all the buses along main street, where no one lives, away from Osborne and Wesy Broadway, where most students and people are. It's so unconvenient to be honest. They should have come up with better routes

They can travel up via the 16/18/60

[rypinion]

I wonder how people along Osborne street north and West Broadway are going to access the 160 and 162? Transit is moving all the buses along main street, where no one lives, away from Osborne and Wesy Broadway, where most students and people are. It's so unconvenient to be honest. They should have come up with better routes

Osborne people can take the 185 instead:

http://winnipegtransit.com/assets/693/185_Osborne_Village_Express_web.pdf

And, like armorand93 said, North Broadway people can take the existing 60.

[armorand93]

Osborne people can take the 185 instead:

http://winnipegtransit.com/assets/693/185_Osborne_Village_Express_web.pdf

And, like armorand93 said, North Broadway people can take the existing 60.

Don't forget the 17 and 29! And 99

[armorand93]

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/419082_339162082786858_100000792081288_863676_149774069_n.jpg

MCI Classics are still around! 316 on Route 78 @ Polo, 6:30am

[cheswick]

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/419082_339162082786858_100000792081288_863676_149774069_n.jpg

MCI Classics are still around! 316 on Route 78 @ Polo, 6:30am

I saw one the other day on the 33 route I think.

I miss those. I found them so much more comfortable. Especially the back seat right by the wheel well. Put your leg up and stretch out. Slept right past my stop on the way home from university on more than one occassion.

[armorand93]

I saw one the other day on the 33 route I think.

I miss those. I found them so much more comfortable. Especially the back seat right by the wheel well. Put your leg up and stretch out. Slept right past my stop on the way home from university on more than one occassion.

Lately, I've always seen them at the U of M, or on the 25. Surprisingly, we still have a bunch going! Just gotta look in the major transit points :)

On 304, my seat lost a bolt and slid out from under me! :P

[spiritedenergy]

Osborne people can take the 185 instead:

http://winnipegtransit.com/assets/693/185_Osborne_Village_Express_web.pdf

And, like armorand93 said, North Broadway people can take the existing 60.

but i guess the 60 will have a greatly reduced schedule? Not to mention of course it won't benefit from the rapid corridor.

The question is, who is this rapid transit corridor build for? Nobody lives along it, so it's clearly meant for people living downtown and going to south winnipeg, or the opposite. But it does not serve at all people living downtown well, it goes along main where nobody lives. So I guess it's purpose is to serve people living in south winnipeg who come to work downtown?

[rypinion]

but i guess the 60 will have a greatly reduced schedule? Not to mention of course it won't benefit from the rapid corridor.

The question is, who is this rapid transit corridor build for? Nobody lives along it, so it's clearly meant for people living downtown and going to south winnipeg, or the opposite. But it does not serve at all people living downtown well, it goes along main where nobody lives. So I guess it's purpose is to serve people living in south winnipeg who come to work downtown?

And every U of M student whose first bus in the morning gets them to Graham.

[armorand93]

but i guess the 60 will have a greatly reduced schedule? Not to mention of course it won't benefit from the rapid corridor.

The question is, who is this rapid transit corridor build for? Nobody lives along it, so it's clearly meant for people living downtown and going to south winnipeg, or the opposite. But it does not serve at all people living downtown well, it goes along main where nobody lives. So I guess it's purpose is to serve people living in south winnipeg who come to work downtown?

The 60 appears to be turning into a feeder route - or to serve on-street businesses (Price Chopper, for one). 99/185 cover Osborne Village (along with two of three RT stations), along with 16 and 18, so thats covered. On the good side, I can see an D40 with 60 rollsigns still! :D

As for the corridor itself...

It's to get people downtown, and students to both universities. Phase I is served by two feeders (95, 99) and what - 13 routes?!? Phase II will go right along Pembina (or do that stupid L-turn), serving quite an area as well. Could easily see the 29, 84, 86 and 94 feeding that extension. Also DART 101, 72, future Bridgwater/South Pointe feeder, shortened 70, 91 and maybe 51 too.

As for Main...

Employment! MTS towers, "Artis"/360 Main, Winnipeg Square (skywalk), Union Station (future LRT possibility), the Forks (kinda obvious tourism possibility). Also, thanks to cheapskate Katz, right-of-way using elevated means (since tunneling will cost WAY too much) and the current stand-off with the never-ending NDP will be long-off for the next iunno... 1000 years? When we do get it though (best bet - 2050?), although it'll look splendid, Calgary and Edmonton will have hovercraft and maglevs... sigh.

To make this short, feeders will get people onto the SWRTC, Downtown employs alot of people, University kids will use the service like Jem-Hadar use Ketracel-White (I'm a Star Trek nerd, live long and prosper) and if either Selinger or Sam are reading this, I hope they get some $$$ onto RT. That, or prepare to spend 30 minutes body-surfing above 70 people crammed into an D40LFR, on the 11, on an evening leaving Polo Park!!!

[Spocket]

Also, thanks to cheapskate Katz, right-of-way using elevated means (since tunneling will cost WAY too much) and the current stand-off with the never-ending NDP will be long-off for the next iunno... 1000 years? When we do get it though (best bet - 2050?), although it'll look splendid, Calgary and Edmonton will have hovercraft and maglevs... sigh.



What ? Help a brother out here . Are you gunning for 1AJs' position or something ? :haha:

[armorand93]

What ? Help a brother out here . Are you gunning for 1AJs' position or something ? :haha:

Lol no!

[jimj_wpg]

Or rode the whole way there on a bus, with some guys ass in your face. That too :P

On an artic. bus that cannot stop because it has faulty brakes..

Whoosh! :tup::haha::haha::haha::haha::haha::tup:

I think Winnipeg is going to truly redefine what rapid transit is.

Whoosh! :tup::yes::yes::yes::yes::yes::tup: