[alexjon]

Is there anything we can do as a forum to have a little meet-up?

Perhaps some nibbly things up at City Grill? A tram ride? Riding the MAX out to Typhoon in Beaverton Central?

I think we need to have one about now!

[pdxman]

I'm up for one...have portland forumers ever had a meet? If we do we might need to hire a security guard or two...if the meet goes the way of some of the threads it could be ugly ;)

[alexjon]

That's why we should have an excursion on the MAX, or-- better still -- the tram!

[Dougall5505]

I'm up for one...have portland forumers ever had a meet? If we do we might need to hire a security guard or two...if the meet goes the way of some of the threads it could be ugly

not anymore with urbanpdx banned :)

[pdxtraveler]

Sounds good to me!

[MarkDaMan]

Sounds good to me, I'm game anytime but I'm thinking this is better in a month or so when the weather is a bit better. Course with that thinking we'd be waiting until late June!

It would be nice to know how many of you I pass daily...on the MAX, taking SoWA pictures, at lunch...

[PDX City-State]

not anymore with urbanpdx banned

What, again? He makes it fun...

I might be down--as long as you don't go to the city grill. I know at least one of us have worked there in the past.

[65MAX]

Is he really banned, or did he just change his own subtitle?

[MarkDaMan]

^nope he's gone...enough about him though...you down for a meet-up 65MAX?

[PacificNW]

If you guys plan this far enough in advance I will travel up from Florence if you guys don't mind me joining you.

[WonderlandPark]

Urban got banned? What was the straw that broke the camel's back?

[jaxg8r1]

Im up for it...

[MarkDaMan]

If you guys plan this far enough in advance I will travel up from Florence if you guys don't mind me joining you.

wouldn't mind at all...anyone have a good date? I'm thinking the 31st.

[alexjon]

I'd say the second week of April... give everyone enough time to shuffle their schedules and to think up contingencies and whatnot

[nehalem5]

do you have to have a minimum number of posts to attend? :cheers:

[WonderlandPark]

do you have to have a minimum number of posts to attend? :cheers:

Those below 1000 points will meet at the Wilsonville Red Lobster, sorry.

[alexjon]

Those below 1000 points will meet at the Wilsonville Red Lobster, sorry.

I'm exempt for various reasons

[nehalem5]

Those below 1000 points will meet at the Wilsonville Red Lobster, sorry.


if they have terminal gravity on tap...I guess I can accept that

[65MAX]

^^^ Yeah N5, I'd say we have a 10 post minimum. Phew, you just made the cut.

I'm game if I'm available. Somebody settle on a time and date, we'll go from there.

[alexjon]

April 13th, 8pm, at, ermmm...

The Matador?

[PacificNW]

8 pm? No walking tour/tram rides?

[zilfondel]

Those below 1000 points will meet at the Wilsonville Red Lobster, sorry.

:D :whip:

I knew I was posting lame comments for a reason!

[alexjon]

8 pm? No walking tour/tram rides?

Good point!

April 14th, 5:30 to 8pm, dinner at 8pm at wherever

[MarkDaMan]

^I say earlier in the afternoon for tour/tram, and then if peeps want to kick it out later that's cool too. I'd think something like 2 or 3 somewhere near the streetcar. But April 13th is a Friday, April 14th would work.

[alexjon]

Oh, okay! That works!

[der Reisender]

that works for me too. now lets just hope for a clear day

[tworivers]

I think I can do that too.

On a different "real world" note, if you eat at the Farm (restaurant on E Burnside) this month that's my art on the walls.

[zilfondel]

The Farm? Hmm, never been there. Interesting!

[pdxman]

^^^Speaking of the "Real World", i'm gonna get kinda off subject here, one wonders why mtv hasn't done a real world series in portland yet. are we just too small? if they did one in austin they can do one here

[PDX City-State]

Do we want MTV real world here?

[pdxman]

We all know that the show isn't emmy quality, but it does do a good job of showing off the city its in--which is really all i care about in mentioning the idea

[zilfondel]

No fun in watching a bunch of happy, weed-smokin' beer aficioinados getting drunk every night. What kind of careers would they pursue? Brewmasters and Barristas...

might get old... =P

[GreenCity]

No fun in watching a bunch of happy, weed-smokin' beer aficioinados getting drunk every night.

No fun? But isn't that why we all love the P-Town nightlife?

[zilfondel]

'course, but the national ratings might suffer.

[PDX City-State]

But isn't that why we all love the P-Town nightlife?

What nightlife?

[GreenCity]

What nightlife?

Oh, Portland has a nightlife. It's not Vegas/New York/L.A. but we have a pretty fleshed out set of options. It's just a more PDX/DIY sort of approach. We don't require ready-made fashionable destination lounges, though we have a good deal of those (Doug Fir, Tube, Mint, Crush, Ect...). We take existing spots and through an influx of trendsters/scenesters make them a destination point. Case in point; Sandy Hut, a dive bar if one ever truely existed, yet however I would challenge anyone to find two empty tables on any night from Thursday to Sunday. Look around at any number of other bars that would be considered trashy and you'll find a chic bloc filling them up on a regular basis. Throw in the fact that Portland has a well developed grassroots house party scene that has on average three to five advertised parties on any given night within the forementioned Thursday-Sunday period. These can fill houses regularly with 100+ people and often feature a number of local bands, making it officially an 'event'. Throw in the crowds down in the Shanghai Tunnels/XV/Berbati's/Cpt. Ankeny's block and those surrounding it on any given weekend night, the NW 21st bars, the above 39th and Hawthorne area, and the multitude of other gathering points and watering holes that offer everything from Trivia to Karaoke to Spelling Bee's to Jazz Nights to Spoken Word and Poetry performances. I'm sorry if this has run on a ways, but it irks me slightly when people say Portland doesn't have a nightlife. We have tons, we just don't need to all gather together to ohh and ahh over each other's ostentation. We've got homegrown community with our own little spots, and any attempt to change that has only led to sleazy flesh markets (See: Barracuda, Voodoo Lounge, H20) that exemplify everything that Portland is not: gaudy, specious, and pretentious.

[MarkDaMan]

Look, they made Denver interesting, and I find it dull as f*&k, it could come to Portland. I was thinking the 360 degree, top floor, John Ross condo.

[PDX City-State]

but it irks me slightly when people say Portland doesn't have a nightlife. We have tons, we just don't need to all gather together to ohh and ahh over each other's ostentation.
That's not what I meant. If I wanted more outlets of Vault Martini, I would move to Seattle. Look, I love Portland after dark because it fits my style. But you know as well as I that things by and large do not go very late in Portland. Bars close at 2:30, there aren't many late-night spots, there are few late-night dining options, after-hours parties are only a weekend thinng, and the streets are for the most party empty after dark--with the exception of a few areas (Old Town, Belmont, Clinton St., Mississippi, etc). Understand my perception is a bit skewed having lived in Madrid for a year. I remember my first night back in America spent in Williamsburg in Brooklyn and wondering where all the people were.

[zilfondel]

We're going to get a new bar/lounge on top of the Meier & Frank downtown building remodel, designed by Skylab, same guys who did East, Living Room Theatres, Masu and Doug Fir. >=D

[PDX City-State]

Skylab didn't do Living Room. Had they done it, perhaps it wouldn't be so empty all the time.

[pdxman]

^^^Prices don't help either

[zilfondel]

You're right... I thought they had because of the pallette of materials. Someone from FFA did.

[PDX City-State]

Where to start with the Living Room? I have never seen a business fail for so many obvious reasons--especially the high prices. Have you ever seen the food portions there? Ridiculous.

[pdxman]

I wonder how long before they go under? Too bad considering the work and money put in to that place.

[PDX City-State]

They have a ton of money to keep thim afloat. The guys who own it are some of the richest people in Mexico City.

[pdxman]

Then they should lower the prices! This portland not LA

[pdxskyline]

Has anyone figured out where we'll all meet?

[PDX City-State]

Sure aint--and thank God for that.

[MarkDaMan]

Should have showed 300 there...instead I went to Cinetopia and paid more than I would have there.

So is April 14th, 2:00 working for everyone? Meeting up at either Tanner Springs Park and streetcarring towards downtown, or the OHSU H&H atrium, taking the tram than heading toward downtown would be the two most logical places to meet. OHSU H&H also would provide some protection while waiting in case of rain.

[zilfondel]

They have $4.50 showings on Monday and Tuesday. I went there for drinks, which are about the same price as anywhere else.

[PDX City-State]

I'll be there--Tanner Springs Park sounds fine. Maybe I can convice KVALK to come.

[360Rich]

So is 4/14 the date?

If so, it should be a great day - Street of Eames tour is that day from 11 a.m. to 5 p.m.

[MarkDaMan]

Street of Eames tour?

[360Rich]

http://www.streetofeames.org/

It's a Portland modern home tour, which is a fund raiser for Chapman Elementary.

I went last year, and it was great. We got to go inside 5 or 6 houses and condos around the metro area.

There were a few amazing large homes in the West Hills with views of downtown to die for, as well as Ann Sacks condo above Dosha (22nd and Glisan), and Randy Rappaport's place at the Belmont Street Lofts (35th and Belmont).

The specifics escape me, but I highly recommend it if you can get tickets to this years event.

[zilfondel]

Street of Eames tickets all sold out - within 48 hours, apparently.

[mcbaby]

not anymore with urbanpdx banned :)

i was curious about that. seemed so peaceful. i was in the midst of a move and was internetless for a week. what did urbanpdx do this time? what was the last straw?

[WonderlandPark]

4/14? Can't make that, will be on a plane to Toulouse that day. Have fun, tho.

[jaxg8r1]

4/14 is also the Portland red dress party....but that is later at night.
That day works for me!

[pdxskyline]

Works perfectly for me. Hopefully, I'll have my PSU TriMet pass by then for the tram ride.

[PDX City-State]

Yeah--what did Urbanpdx do? I get a little annoyed by his comments, but I can say first hand that he knows a bit more about development than most of us--His rants were rarely mean spirited--like say Fiat Lux. I don't get it.

[65MAX]

^^^^
Besides his usual libertarian/objectivist crap, he posted several articles from CPI or CPI-type rags without attributing their source or authors (as if they were his own words). That's called plagiarism. Bu-bye.

[PDX City-State]

Quoting a source with attribution is against the rules of a blog?

[kvalk]

Yeah, that would be really funny if he got booted for plagarism on a blog. heck there are images posted on this site everyday without crediting the source. Many of which come from copyrighted websites.

[65MAX]

The images can be tracked back to their source. Just right click on the image and select "Properties", you'll get the web address that it's linked to. You can't do that with words, unless you specifically state a source. He repeatedly posted text as his own words without attribution.

[PDX City-State]

Sorry--that's ridiculous. Like kvalk mentions: We swipe photos from web sites all the time. In fact, sometimes photos appear that weren't intended for the public rhealm. Should I be nervous about posting photos on this site that I've obtained through professional contacts? If so, it makes me not want to do it.

Perhaps urbanpdx works for the CPI.

[65MAX]

Yeah, I'm sure he's a member of CPI, if they have any members...

Photos that companies post on the internet are already in the public realm. Attaching a photo here from an architect's or developer's website doesn't violate anything, or they wouldn't have posted it in the first place. The weblink just takes you to there own website.

Now if you're getting clandestine pictures that they want to keep private, whoever provides you with those pics could get into trouble for giving them to you, but you're not obligated to keep them secret once you already have a picture. They could ask you where you got it, or to please take it offline, but if there's no legal contract between you and the architect/developer, you're not obligated to do squat.

[PDX City-State]

I've been posting on this forum for more than two years, and let it be said that urbanpdx getting banned is petty and just damn lame.

[pdxman]

Are you standing up for him? I for one am glad hes gone...he was an agitator. All he wanted to do was stir up shit and argue.

[PDX City-State]

Are you standing up for him?

It's not about that. It's about coming up with stupid reasons to ban someone just because you don't agree with that person. It violates what these types of forums should be about. Urbanpdx is way off most of the time, but he's not completely unreasonable. Personally, I think he makes it interesting. His views aren't that uncommon in Portland and even among developers--other than the three or so developers in Portland in bed with PDC.

Judging by his comments and based on my own experience, I'm guessing he comes from the appraisal/feasibility world. Most of those guys aren't really visionaries, but they know a lot about the business.

This is a forum after all and all opinions--unless someone is being unkind--should be up for debate. It's good for all. Remember...some of us here are a lot closer to the action than others.

[Drmyeyes]

PDX City-State, you're exactly right about receptivity to other opinions. Opinions representing the expression of a sincerely felt belief made without intention to harm anybody in particular are worthwhile to hear and be aware of.

You seem to be right about urbanpdx in some respects. He has a certain grasp of numbers and statistics representing a particular viewpoint about transportation and development that's contrary to the majority opinion on this blog.

There's nothing especially wrong with that, except for some of urbanpdx's other tendencies that seem to go along with the disemination of that viewpoint; He has tried to use material supporting his viewpoint, not just to discuss and offer perspective, but to drown out other opinions. In making his viewpoint known, he's been sloppy providing and attributing material. Finally, he's been just rude on some occasions.

Of course, we all make mistakes. Me too, but I like to think that a person can pick up a few positive points fom other people if they stick around long enough enduring the bricks and brats. I really kind of think urbanpdx was showing some improvement, but if people really can't stand to have him around, that's kind of the end of the story, or at least this chapter of the story. Of course, someone could still invite him to your afternoon soiree. I'm sure he'd be delighted.

[65MAX]

I could care less if he's here or not, I can handle differences of opinion just fine. In fact, if everybody agreed with me, it'd be a very boring world. Peaceful, but boring. However, I don't think plagiarism is a "stupid reason" for banning someone from here. I don't even know if that's the only reason, I'm just speculating like everyone else.

Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't he banned once before, then allowed to come back? Maybe he'll be back again. Hell, he could be at our meet-up in April, he's more than welcome to join us. I'm sure he's reading all of this. :yes: :tup:

[65MAX]

Of course, someone could still invite him to your afternoon soiree. I'm sure he'd be delighted.

OK, I'll do it.

UrbanPDX, we'd love to have you join us in April. No need to RSVP, just surprise us.

[MitchE]

It's not about that. It's about coming up with stupid reasons to ban someone just because you don't agree with that person. It violates what these types of forums should be about. Urbanpdx is way off most of the time, but he's not completely unreasonable. Personally, I think he makes it interesting. His views aren't that uncommon in Portland and even among developers--other than the three or so developers in Portland in bed with PDC.

Judging by his comments and based on my own experience, I'm guessing he comes from the appraisal/feasibility world. Most of those guys aren't really visionaries, but they know a lot about the business.

This is a forum after all and all opinions--unless someone is being unkind--should be up for debate. It's good for all. Remember...some of us here are a lot closer to the action than others.


I agree. I may not agree with UrbanPDX all the time but I think it was really lame he was banned.

[MarkDaMan]

Keep in mind many comments were removed by mods before the majority of the board had a chance to read many of them. When urban took his rant to the larger board in city discussions, he drew more flack from a broader section of the forum, he was asked to moderate himself and became more an agitator. Hence he's gone. If mods were asking me to moderate my comments, even suspending me for a few weeks, and I continued to push, I'd expect to be banned too.

[alexjon]

Bump!

[James Bond Agent 007]

You guys are copying us. :mad:

[MarkDaMan]

^hmmm, I think our thread was created first!

[MarkDaMan]

yep, our was created on 3/7 yours on 3/12 even mentioning our thread...haha...its all good.

[alexjon]

lol, I think he's joking. The first post in the seattle thread mentions this one

[westsider]

I think that was pretty shitty to push UrbanPDX out too. If you can't handle a little disenting opinion on a forum, how do you live every day without crying about your hurt feelings all the time?

[alexjon]

You're instigating, westsider.

There seems to be an inability to talk about urban and things pertaining to his POV and rhetorical methods without being highly condescending, which is one reason I'm not crying over him being banned.

[65MAX]

I think that was pretty shitty to push UrbanPDX out too. If you can't handle a little disenting opinion on a forum, how do you live every day without crying about your hurt feelings all the time?

I think it was a little more than just a dissenting opinion. But anyway, Updx is a big boy, he can take care of himself. Nothing prevents him from reading our comments, or even starting his own blog like JackBog did.

[MarkDaMan]

is this still on? I'm probably gonna have the bail this weekend as I'm 93% sure I'm gonna be stuck in a previous commitment that was supposed to be over at noon. If y'all are still meeting, great, I'll try and get out early, if not, another weekend?

[zilfondel]

what was the agreed time/day/place again?

[MarkDaMan]

I believe 2:00 at Tanner Springs Park in the Pearl

[Dougall5505]

are they meeting right now?

[alexjon]

I don't know if they are, and I apologize for not showing, the proverbial crap hit the fan here

Hope y'all had fun if you did go!

[pdxskyline]

I got there right at 2, but nobody was there :(

[Black Box]

^That's sad. Y'all down there are much more active and thorough posters than we are.

[Dougall5505]

I got there right at 2, but nobody was there
that sucks i guess it kind of fell apart. I couldn't go anyway

[PacificNW]

That would have sucked if I had gone up to PDX from Florence and only one other person bothered to show up or call off the meet beforehand... :( I was looking forward to reading your comments and seeing your pics...

[zilfondel]

lol, I went to Seattle. =P