[ctown.myth]

Hey, I've been wondering if any people out there have any renderings of the old cancelled calgary projects back in the 80's? There's a lot of new people in the forum who would love to see the old drawings of FCII and the second Canterra tower...

[Boris2k7]

Hi, I guess you are new enough here that you may have missed some of the so-called "end of thread" parties that we have every 2000 or so posts (though, honestly, a lot of regular forumers miss those as well). One of these parties contained a bunch of renderings.

I'll repost what I have:

Alberta Plaza
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/9089/28calgaryalbertaplaza01xn6.jpg

Bay Park Plaza
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6532/28calgarybayparkplazawtho6.gif

Eaton Centre
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8329/28calgaryeatoncentertowcb6.jpg

First Canadian Centre II
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3442/28calgaryfirstcanadiancld1.jpg

McIntyre Building
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2280/28calgarymcintyreul3tx9.gif

?
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5001/28calgaryparkcentreyn0lh8.jpg

Victoria Square
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5161/28calgaryvictoriasquarelp2.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5894/28calgaryvictoriasquarekx1.jpg

? (from the 90's)
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3534/28calgaryej3xm5.jpg

[ctown.myth]

First Canadian Centre II
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3442/28calgaryfirstcanadiancld1.jpg


Was that supposed to be built as another tower altogether or was FCII a secondary tower to the taller one? Because now the word seems to be that FCII will be a whole new plaza...
Thanks for the postings...

[Boris2k7]

Was that supposed to be built as another tower altogether or was FCII a secondary tower to the taller one? Because now the word seems to be that FCII will be a whole new plaza...
Thanks for the postings...

It was going to be a taller twin to the already existing tower at 3rd Street and 7th Avenue (you can see it in the rendering). It was partially built and cancelled (the planters in the plaza that exist right now are actually the tops of the foundations). The new design for the tower should be coming out sometime soon.

The rendering is looking West if you are a little disoriented...

[biggiebear]

Thanks for those pics Boris, what a taller skyline we would have. But then again we wouldn't have this opportunity now to put architecturally superior buildings ie:The Bow, FCCII. My favourite one in the last grouping would have to be the Eaton Centre, a very imposing tower but classy. The TD tower that is there now is very nice and one of my favourites, but the original looked to be quite taller.

[Xelebes]

Alberta Plaza would have been damn impressive.

[biggiebear]

Is it me or doesn't the victoria park project look like the Exchange massing and very similar design cues as Keynote but with the same materials of Sun Life Plaza sitting in Stampede Stations spot, and the 2 tower project with the ? beside it Lausanne/Montreux anybody.

[jeffwhit]

For those who have never seen the book "Calgary The Boom Years" I recommend going to the central library, 4th floor. It's in the Local History room. The Bow plans are also there, well worth the trip.

[bob1954]

This stuff is better IMO than anything currently planned, with the exception of a couple of projects!

[bob1954]

What's that twin tower job! My God that thing is awsome! They're all pretty good! Taller than anything proposed also.

[GoflamesGo]

I think that twin project was somethign along the lines of "park centre" or somethign like that. I really like it too tho. It was supposed to go whter TCPL is right now. That woudl have made for a couple of really tall ones (petro and this one) I also really liked the eaton centre design. Does anyone know if bay park plaza was supposed to be built directly on the bay building?

[JBinCalgary]

park place i think

[Wooster]

This stuff is better IMO than anything currently planned, with the exception of a couple of projects!

Nah, the architecture in my mind isn't that good. Very, very tall some of them though.

[entheosfog]

For those who have never seen the book "Calgary The Boom Years" I recommend going to the central library, 4th floor. It's in the Local History room. The Bow plans are also there, well worth the trip.

They also have copies at other branch locations you can sign out. I, too was absolutely fascinated by this book. Very cool stuff.

[murman]

Alberta Plaza would have been damn impressive.

Except that I think Gaglardi was the developer, and the other product he built in the 70s was, well... he's of Sandman fame. Take what you will from that.

[murman]

McIntyre Building
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/2280/28calgarymcintyreul3tx9.gif

This project was massive in scale. The FAR was well into the 20s, and it was quite high (60+ storeys if I recall).

[murman]

I think that twin project was somethign along the lines of "park centre" or somethign like that. I really like it too tho. It was supposed to go whter TCPL is right now. That woudl have made for a couple of really tall ones (petro and this one) I also really liked the eaton centre design. Does anyone know if bay park plaza was supposed to be built directly on the bay building?

Yes, where TCPL & James Short is now.

Bay Park Plaza would have been north of the existing Bay.

[Coldrsx]

This project was massive in scale. The FAR was well into the 20s, and it was quite high (60+ storeys if I recall).

looks like bentall 5

[Distill3d]

?
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5001/28calgaryparkcentreyn0lh8.jpg


I believe this one was to also be a consideration for Bay Park Plaza.

[Distill3d]

Victoria Square
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5161/28calgaryvictoriasquarelp2.jpg
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5894/28calgaryvictoriasquarekx1.jpg


hmm...a more modern looking version:

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7359/keynote99mj.jpg

[sync]

WOW.

some beautiful renderings here.

they should all be ressurected!

[Rusty van Reddick]

That last one "from the 90s" is actually what was proposed for 8 and 8 (where 8 West is going up).

[Doug]

I'd be very impressed if someone found:

1) The Trizec proposal for the east empty lot east of the Inernational Hotel. It was from ~1990 and was ~30 stories.

2) The hotel proposal for the current site of Centrium. The developer was from Vancouver and proposed a building of ~30 stories with a curved glass facade.

3) The never built second tower of the Western Gas complex. It would have been on the west side of Eaton's covering what is now a parking lot and CityTV.

[Calgarian]

CtrlAltDel, feel like trying a "what could have been" rendering? maybe we could compare it to a "what might (and should) be" rendering.

[You Need A Thneed]

I'm assuming the Bay Park Plaza should read 3.03 Million Square feet, and not 303 million sqare feet as it appears to.

[CtrlAltDel]

CtrlAltDel, feel like trying a "what could have been" rendering? maybe we could compare it to a "what might (and should) be" rendering.

Yeah, someone had mentioned that before. I think I might try it, I'm not sure of the location for most of these buildings though. Could make for a great comparison for sure.

[murman]

I'd be very impressed if someone found:

1) The Trizec proposal for the east empty lot east of the Inernational Hotel. It was from ~1990 and was ~30 stories.

2) The hotel proposal for the current site of Centrium. The developer was from Vancouver and proposed a building of ~30 stories with a curved glass facade.

3) The never built second tower of the Western Gas complex. It would have been on the west side of Eaton's covering what is now a parking lot and CityTV.

Actually, I'm pretty sure that the second tower of Western Gas would have been where the Eaton/Sears now is.

[murman]

I believe this one was to also be a consideration for Bay Park Plaza.

Nope. That's where TCPL / James Short is. You can see how the eventual James Short +15 apes the cicular element of the prior proposal...

[murman]

looks like bentall 5

In colour it doesn't. B5 has more glass. Macintyre (sic?) had prominent white spandrels, iirc.

[Distill3d]

Nope. That's where TCPL / James Short is. You can see how the eventual James Short +15 apes the cicular element of the prior proposal...


right. but i thought i read that one to be called like Bay Park Plaza or something like that. could be wrong. i haven't picked up that book in a lonnng time.

[Calgarian]

Yeah, someone had mentioned that before. I think I might try it, I'm not sure of the location for most of these buildings though. Could make for a great comparison for sure.

Would be a tough job i imagine.

Does anyone know where these were proposed? Are they noted in the Glenbow archives?

[Plus15]

I'd be very impressed if someone found:

1) The Trizec proposal for the east empty lot east of the Inernational Hotel. It was from ~1990 and was ~30 stories.

2) The hotel proposal for the current site of Centrium. The developer was from Vancouver and proposed a building of ~30 stories with a curved glass facade.

3) The never built second tower of the Western Gas complex. It would have been on the west side of Eaton's covering what is now a parking lot and CityTV.

The Western Gas complex, including the taller unbuilt 2nd tower, is in the almighty Bible...it is indeed on the site of the current Sears deparment store.

[Calgarian]

The Western Gas complex, including the taller unbuilt 2nd tower, is in the almighty Bible...it is indeed on the site of the current Sears deparment store.

Is that the watermark tower?

[Plus15]

^^ Yup, it was rebranded a few years ago.

[AUM]

hmm...a more modern looking version:

Victoria Square
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/5161/28calgaryvictoriasquarelp2.jpg

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/7359/keynote99mj.jpg

Wow...and I believe its the same firm that did both proposals...'regurgitation' must be a new trend in Architecture. Perhaps we can call it 'massaging'

[Champion3]

hmm...a more modern looking version:
(Removed images of Keynote and Victoria Square to save bandwidth)
I've been saying that since Keynote first surfaced. Both projects are PetroCan Redux.

[Distill3d]

I've been saying that since Keynote first surfaced. Both projects are PetroCan Redux.

LOL i don't disagree with you on that one.

[jeffwhit]

The addresses of most or all of these cancelled projects are printed in the book Calgary Architecture, The Boom Year which as I said, lives in the local history room of the central library (4th floor.) The call number is 720. 971233 GUI

[Distill3d]

The addresses of most or all of these cancelled projects are printed in the book Calgary Architecture, The Boom Year which as I said, lives in the local history room of the central library (4th floor.) The call number is 720. 971233 GUI


or if i like ya and think you're a sexy girl, i may be able to persaude my step father to loan out his copy (his Atrium buildings are featured in the book...)

[JBinCalgary]

cant say that i was a fan of victoria crossing, and i can certainly say i aint a fan of keynote. :yuck:

[IntotheWest]

The addresses of most or all of these cancelled projects are printed in the book Calgary Architecture, The Boom Year which as I said, lives in the local history room of the central library (4th floor.) The call number is 720. 971233 GUI

Thanks for the info! I'll have to look that up...is it a book worth buying?

[JBinCalgary]

the book is no longer in print i belive

[entheosfog]

Thanks for the info! I'll have to look that up...is it a book worth buying?

There's a few copies the library circulates but they're all on loan and one is lost...anyone here know anything about that??? ;)

[Distill3d]

There's a few copies the library circulates but they're all on loan and one is lost...anyone here know anything about that??? ;)

nope... i know nothing about the lost copy....didn't it walk out of Fish Creek a couple years back?

[ctown.myth]

wow...you all reply fast, thanks; :D

[Distill3d]

wow...you all reply fast, thanks; :D

you had doubts? :haha:

[Bokimon]

Great looking projects. My favorite of the bunch were the Bay Park Plaza, boy for that time period it would of been a massive office complex. A city of only what... 500 000 having a potential of a skyline with all these?!

It would be unbelivable!

[CtrlAltDel]

What about shadowing concerns? :rolleyes:

[Bokimon]

Yeah, lol that probably killed every single one of them..
The city said the towers all have to lop off 3-400 feet so the developers decided to scrap it cuz it wasn't worth building a smaller tower which wont make as much money and make a landmark statement of this city to the world..:haha:

[Calgarian]

Alberta Plaza is my favorite, can't think of any that look like it anywhere?

[Champion3]

Thanks for the info! I'll have to look that up...is it a book worth buying?
It's hard to find, however I successfully purchased the book a few years back off of Amazon. I don't know if there are any copies available now.

[Stephen Ave]

I like the original Eaton's tower project. Alberta Plaza would have been pretty cool as well.

[JBinCalgary]

hah. i looked on amazon, and i am the only one that has left a comment on that book... neeeaat

[JBinCalgary]

.

[bob1954]

I said it once and I'll say it again I like those "80's proposals! As far as the architectual aspect of each building is debateable, but overall they're still more impressive than anything going up now!! Taller slender buildings is an architectual style. Those buildings even if only 3 were built would do more for the skyline than any of the newer proposals, with the exception of Encana's project! IMO!

[faxri]

What Location was Alberta Plaza intended to be built?

[murman]

What Location was Alberta Plaza intended to be built?

Bankers Hall west parkade, I think.

The spin on that project was 75 storeys for Alberta's 75th bithday.

[ctown.myth]

Which would have made it the tallest building in Canada...:D

[Calgarian]

Now we have to wait for IOL to take that honour.

[Distill3d]

Great looking projects. My favorite of the bunch were the Bay Park Plaza, boy for that time period it would of been a massive office complex. A city of only what... 500 000 having a potential of a skyline with all these?!

It would be unbelivable!

i wonder if there is a rendering of out there of all the what the skyline with all the projects of yore and all the projects of today?

[jeffwhit]

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6532/28calgarybayparkplazawtho6.gif

Bay Park Plaza is the only one I'm truly sad about. The location is perfect, and still available. I'd love to see this resurrected/updated like FCC2

[Thunderball]

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6532/28calgarybayparkplazawtho6.gif

Bay Park Plaza is the only one I'm truly sad about. The location is perfect, and still available. I'd love to see this resurrected/updated like FCC2

I'd love to see that one and Alberta Plaza rise from the ashes and get built, even if its not in its originally planned location.

[JBinCalgary]

it would look better if it were all glass i think

[Calgarian]

I wonder if any of these had the drawings finished? If so it wouldn't be hard to breath new life into these projects.

[murman]

I wonder if any of these had the drawings finished? If so it wouldn't be hard to breath new life into these projects.

Code changes and building system refinements might have quite some impact, especially "green" refinements.

[Calgarian]

Code changes and building system refinements might have quite some impact, especially "green" refinements.

True, but if they wanted to ressurect these, they wouldn't have to start from scratch.

[Plus15]

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/6532/28calgarybayparkplazawtho6.gif

Bay Park Plaza is the only one I'm truly sad about. The location is perfect, and still available. I'd love to see this resurrected/updated like FCC2

I agree...however I think the stepped curved podium is hideous. Take that away and its a wet dream.

[dmc]

http://C:\Documents and Settings\Darren McAdoo\My Documents\BH 1981 image.JPG

[Distill3d]

http://C:\Documents and Settings\Darren McAdoo\My Documents\BH 1981 image.JPG


is this the FCC2 rendering we've heard so much about?

[dmc]

is this the FCC2 rendering we've heard so much about?

No, it's the original all glass Bankers Hall design from 1981, that was abandoned when the boom collapsed, but I'm having trouble getting the image loaded.

[Boris2k7]

No, it's the original all glass Bankers Hall design from 1981, that was abandoned when the boom collapsed, but I'm having trouble getting the image loaded.

That's because you are trying to link to your computer. Use imageshack or some other image hosting service to upload it to the web first, and copy the url from there...

[vid]

So much wonderful modernism gone to waste. :(

[Calgarian]

http://C:\Documents and Settings\Darren McAdoo\My Documents\BH 1981 image.JPG

All i see is a red x

[skrish]

http://C:\Documents and Settings\Darren McAdoo\My Documents\BH 1981 image.JPG

Looking at the URL, it looks like you just linked it from My Documents. You have to upload the pic before you can post it.

[Distill3d]

BPP would do wonders to Calgary. Its the only 'twin' design I like.

How wonderful would it be if IOL sold their lot and revived the concept into two 60 - 75 story towers?

[Thinner6]

I agree...however I think the stepped curved podium is hideous. Take that away and its a wet dream.

The location of that lot is too good not to get used eventually, especially with the lame sh!t that's there now. I wouldn't be surprised to see a large proposal slated for that lot in the near future.

[Calgarian]

The location of that lot is too good not to get used eventually, especially with the lame sh!t that's there now. I wouldn't be surprised to see a large proposal slated for that lot in the near future.

What IS there right now?

[jeffwhit]

I agree...however I think the stepped curved podium is hideous. Take that away and its a wet dream.

I totally agree...

[jeffwhit]

What IS there right now?

The a shitbox lowrise office tower, an old but not particularly historically significant or attractive 1-2 story strip of retail and the Bay parkade.

It's immediately north of the Bay building. Lots of wasted space.

[Thunderball]

I agree...however I think the stepped curved podium is hideous. Take that away and its a wet dream.

Even with that stepped podium (which i agree is a little lacking), that project is still way better than most of the light colored glass crap going up in the city. I highly doubt anyone would be too upset if this sucker got built.

[Calgarian]

Even with that stepped podium (which i agree is a little lacking), that project is still way better than most of the light colored glass crap going up in the city. I highly doubt anyone would be too upset if this sucker got built.

I would hope that they updated it a little bit to be more in line with architectural styles of today.

[jeffwhit]

The location of that lot is too good not to get used eventually, especially with the lame sh!t that's there now. I wouldn't be surprised to see a large proposal slated for that lot in the near future.

Actually I seem to remember David Parker writing about a possible project there, and not surprisingly, lamenting the possible loss of the Bay Parkade. The whole block (I believe) was sold fairly recently.

[Zilla]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/160/423687408_a7f943a3c1_b.jpg

Okay, do I win?

[CorporateWhore]

holy shit, that's awesome.

[DizzyEdge]

The a shitbox lowrise office tower, an old but not particularly historically significant or attractive 1-2 story strip of retail and the Bay parkade.

It's immediately north of the Bay building. Lots of wasted space.

Apparently that office tower is actually this but reclad in 'modern' cladding:

http://ww2.glenbow.org/dbimages/arc7/q/na-5434-1.jpg

interesting pics of the block:

1941 looking east
http://ww2.glenbow.org/dbimages/arc7/l/na-3884-10.jpg
1957 looking east
http://ww2.glenbow.org/dbimages/arc7/z/na-5093-328.jpg

[Calgarian]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/160/423687408_a7f943a3c1_b.jpg

Okay, do I win?

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!!! ding ding ding

seriously though, that thing is crazy!!! looks like the cylindrical version of BVS meets those spinning swing rides.

[JBinCalgary]

great photos.
that thing is sweeeeet

[Calgarian]

Apparently that office tower is actually this but reclad in 'modern' cladding:

http://ww2.glenbow.org/dbimages/arc7/q/na-5434-1.jpg

interesting pics of the block:

1941 looking east
http://ww2.glenbow.org/dbimages/arc7/l/na-3884-10.jpg
1957 looking east
http://ww2.glenbow.org/dbimages/arc7/z/na-5093-328.jpg

Why the hell would they re-clad that? looks like a nice building to me. Travesty!!!

[DizzyEdge]

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a winner!!! ding ding ding

seriously though, that thing is crazy!!! looks like the cylindrical version of BVS meets those spinning swing rides.

OH man, imagine if it did spin!

[DizzyEdge]

Why the hell would they re-clad that? looks like a nice building to me. Travesty!!!

Zilla and I want to take a crowbar to the cladding in the middle of the night.

[Calgarian]

OH man, imagine if it did spin!

They are planning a building that WILL spin in Dubai, i will try to find a picture.

[DizzyEdge]

They are planning a building that WILL spin in Dubai, i will try to find a picture.

Would be great for evictions, just auto lock everyone's balcony doors, and auto open the offending tenant's door, and put the spin on 'high'

[Calgarian]

Zilla and I want to take a crowbar to the cladding in the middle of the night.

Count me in :tup:

[CorporateWhore]

Maybe they can de-clad the building.

[JBinCalgary]

no kidding

[DizzyEdge]

Maybe they can de-clad the building.

I think if they didn't completely destroy the brick underneath (ie removed it all?) then it would be worthwhile, I don't find it's present incarnation as being horrible, but the original was better, sort of a mini version of the other Herald building across the street that was torn down in the 70s
(huge travesty http://www.calgaryheritage.org/images/Gone/na-1469-4.jpg)

[Calgarian]

Lets see if this works
http://archive.gulfnews.com/images/06/07/27/28_bz_rotating_tower_4.jpg

The top 5 floors will rotate.

[JBinCalgary]

pre klein was terrible for calgary's would be heritage buildings

[DizzyEdge]

pre klein was terrible for calgary's would be heritage buildings

You might find this interesting, it's roughly thrown together but it's basically original building left column, replacement right column (only a few)

http://www.calgaryheritage.org/demolished-web.html

[Boris2k7]

You might find this interesting, it's roughly thrown together but it's basically original building left column, replacement right column (only a few)

http://www.calgaryheritage.org/demolished-web.html

Argh! Viewing that site was like a swift kick in the nuts! I still cry every time I see that POS that replaced the Southam Building.