[Dac150]

A signifigant aspect of these buildings is that they have an architectual style to them that is not common theme anymore. I choose this look because this style is one i think represents corporate power, which these buildings posses.
But first a little background/information:

Tower 1: 105 floors 1450ft 2.0 msf commercial space
Tower 2: 90 floors 1200ft 3.5 msf commercial space

8 sublevels floors:
s1: Retail, concourse, dining
s2: Retail, concourse, dining, station
s3: Retail, concourse, dining, station
s4-s7: parking
s8: Utility, sewage, generators

This complex will be built in Mid-Town Manhattan. Tower 1 will contain a 3 floors lobby, retail, dining, sky lobby, meeting space, mechanical floors, and commercial space.
Tower 2 will contain a two floor lobby, 2 sky lobbys, commercial space, a 5-star hotel, a theater, retail, dining, obervation deck (in and out doors), roof pool and garden.
The facade of these buildings will be black glass curtain. There will be access the the underground mall and station through inside and outside the complex.

Here are the pics. I hope you enjoy them. I have been working on this project for the last 5 years.

This is an overview of the entire site:
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/139/overviewwz2.jpg
Some shots from different angles...........
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5958/side1pb0.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/8241/side2ds6.jpg
http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/4050/backfz0.jpg
http://img329.imageshack.us/img329/3796/frontjl8.jpg

Here are shots from the west entrance of Tower 1:
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9977/downrm3.jpg

http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/963/89210019wq8.jpg

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/6624/lookingup2in1.jpg
>>>>>>>>>>>
Here are some shots of the grand plaza. There are a few sculptures representing the innovations of architecture. In the center one there will
be a globe with the land painted gold and the water painted silver.
http://img105.imageshack.us/img105/15/plazabm2.jpg

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6415/plazaoverviewiq8.jpg

This is the 5 Star "Cassidy Hotel of New York", located in Building 2. There is a pool as well as a garden accessible to the guests of the hotle on the sky mezzanine. Ontop of the Hotel is the 2 floor Grand Sy Penthouse. The asking price for this is $25,000,000.00.

http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/7812/hotelkc2.jpg

This is a shot of the vehicle entrances and exits for the underground garage.
http://img260.imageshack.us/img260/8558/parkingdi8.jpg

This is the civilian overpass connecting the buildings from above ground. It has a roof height equal to 2 floors.
http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/4888/overpassol5.jpg

This is the observation deck open to the public on the roof of the 90 floor
Tower 2.
http://img130.imageshack.us/img130/7833/obdeckto2.jpg

Those are all the pics for now, I really hoped you liked it.
PLEASE, I CANT STRESS ENOUGH HOW I NEED FEEDBACK!!!!!!!!
By feed back I mean:
-suggestions
-comments
-requests
-critiques
-what you want to see
-what you like/ don't like

This is important, and I need a long list of commentary from you guys.

Thanks for viewing, I will have more shots and details for you!

-Dac150 :bowtie:

[Dac150]

Requests.......

1. Keep on topic.
2. No talk about "you will never do this"
3. Please leave replies!!!!!

Thank you-
:tup:

[cur_sed]

Have you looked seriously into the logistical/structural details of this, especially as relates to the taller tower? It strikes me as insanely skinny for a serious, commerically viable tower of that height - where have you gotten the 2 msf figure from - and is that enough office space to make a 1450 foot tower viable?

[Dac150]

It strikes me as insanely skinny for a serious, commerically viable tower of that height - where have you gotten the 2 msf figure from - and is that enough office space to make a 1450 foot tower viable?

1. Tower 1 looks to be thin due to the large base.
2. Like I said, this building does no only have commercial space. There are floors that contain meeting space, sky lobbies, mechanical, etc....

[Dac150]

:( Come on guys, how about some replies. All this work and just one.............................:(

[mthq]

I hate to say it, but the base of your Cassidy complex is very unfriendly street level wise. Like the World Trade Center complex, you have a Superblock -- an entire street block dedicated to a donut of offices with a plaza in the middle. It was an urban idea from the 1960s and 70s that seemed great at first, but turns out depressing and lifeless in reality.

This is why the new World Trade Center/Freedom Tower looks very different than the former. If I were you, I would follow in the Freedom Tower's footsteps by putting a street right through the plaza breaking it in two, followed by many street level shops. I would also replace the corporate-esque fountain with a more friendly round fountain that the public can go and get their feet wet :)

my 2 cents.

[Patrick]

I would also replace the corporate-esque fountain with a more friendly round fountain that the public can go and get their feet wet :)

Great Idea. The plaza also needs Trees.

I suggest the hotel being in a much taller building, like that one that resembles the Trump Tower. Half Office, Half Hotel, if the Hotel was on top, it could get much better views than the current plan for the hotel.

[foxmtbr]

I actually like how the buildings meet the ground, the angled parts add a little zip to the design, so it's not just another bland building. Though I agree that the fountain should be a little more inviting to people, like a pool, or maybe even replaced with something completely different, something very entertaining, like a stage or something. I'd want to see colors on the facades to give it a final opinion, but overall, I'm liking how this looks! :tup: I can certainly see how much effort you've put into this, and I commend you on that!

[Dear Leader VI]

Excellent work! Keep the basic designs of the buildings, but throw in some street-level retail and trees to liven things up. Nice job!

[Dac150]

There will be street level retail, dining, etc........ The detail of that has just not been put in to the model. This is a very public friendly enviroment. I can only put so much detail into sketchup. But I see what you saying.

[Evilon Doomm]

Weren't you the one that claimed CDC was going to develop a big plot of land in Midtown? That was ages ago. Are you still going on about this?

[foxmtbr]

^ I believe it was only a few months ago. I'd call that good progress if he's made this elaborate rendering and plan in that time frame.

[Dac150]

Weren't you the one that claimed CDC was going to develop a big plot of land in Midtown? That was ages ago. Are you still going on about this?

That was before I heard about Vornado and Brookfield developing on the sites that I wanted to.
That caused me to re-design the entire complex, as well as downsizing to only two buildings. This new design (not detailed 100%) should be the real deal.

Quick Question though:

Do you guys think that this design (both towers) will seem out of place when it comes time to build (10-15 years from now)? Keep in mind that these buildings have black glass wall facades. Would it matter? Would it be a turn off to the public?

And thank you fox:tup:

[mthq]

Well honestly both towers look like they came from the late 80s/early 90s. The tallest one reminds me of the Trump World Tower near the UN. Not a very popular building among the public.

On a side note, you have to realize that it's the market forces that decide how tall a skyscraper will be or if it even gets built. If you have seen the proposals from other cities on this board, you probably have noticed how just about every highrise being built is shorter, or sometimes taller than the original plan. If I were you, I'd concentrate on my BA studies and look into designing much smaller things for now.

[edsas]

I like it. My only complaint (other than what other people have suggested about sprucing up the plaza) is that tower one is ridiculously tall. I'd lop off the top 30 stories and then give it an interesting crown. Just my personal opinion. :)

I think your best design is the hotel. That's a cool building.

[CGII]

Tower 1 looks to be thin because it is thin, not because it has a large base. It'd be incredibly difficult to turn a profit with such small floorplates.

[Dac150]

Well honestly both towers look like they came from the late 80s/early 90s.
On a side note, you have to realize that it's the market forces that decide how tall a skyscraper will be or if it even gets built.

Yes, that international black box style is my favorite which is why I'm using it. I feel thats the true corporate look.

As you said regarding the market forces: Manhattan is in a desperate need for "Grade A" office space. A complex such of this sorts is quite practical in filling those needs as at the same time harboring retail, dining establishments, the UG Mall, and a subway station to attract large mass crowds (which equals large financial compensation).

The style is of which corporations will be prone to buying in as at the same time providing public ammenities. Therefore everyone wins. The City, the public, the tenants, and myself.

[Dac150]

Tower 1 looks to be thin because it is thin, not because it has a large base. It'd be incredibly difficult to turn a profit with such small floorplates.

That was just a quick sketchup rendering to give you forumers some visiual insight as well as an idea on what I've been talking about. The tower itself is of much larger proportions. Tower two (just the tower) is the same way.

Sorry if I'm misleading you, but its the best i can do with that program and the time frame i had to do it in.

I will be posting a quick render of a Tower 1 Floor Plan within the week.

[Dac150]

I like it. I'd lop off the top 30 stories and then give it an interesting crown. Just my personal opinion. :)

I think your best design is the hotel. That's a cool building.

Thank you for the input:tup:

The removing of the 30 or so floors wouldnt make sense for me. Given the fact the the city is in such a need for commercial space, would alter the practicality of such height. (I also want to make a statement for my company....Nice to go in with a boom).

The hotel was a big obstacle in the designing process for me. I needed to get it to fit in. If you pay close attention you will notice that on the four sides of the hotel there is a step pyrimad, half pyrimad, dome/half circle, and a full pryimad. Those represent the four major architectual innovations. They are also on the roof (in glass) ontop of the penthouse and statued in the plaza. I got the idea from Cesar Pelli's WFC.

[CGII]

I don't even understand where you would put this. Outside of the Brookfield/MSG and Con Ed sites, there just aren't any lots where you could build like this, unless you're planning to tear down Stuy-town or merge two blocks together or something.

[Dac150]

unless you're planning to merge two blocks together or something.

You hit the nail right on the head!

To the right of 1 Worldwide Plaza (looking at it from the West Side Highway)
is the 2 block are I want the merge together. If it just were Tower 1, I could fit it on one block, no problem. But Tower 2 is one hell of a size building which requires that accomidation. Tower 2 by the way is the real money maker from it's size.

[foxmtbr]

The black glass might not float over as well with the people. As said before, it would look like it came from the 70s or 80s. I would suggest using a brighter color, such as blue, possibly with a hint of green. It would look more modern, at least to me. What does everyone think of this idea?

But, Dac150, it's your project, not mine, so it's up to you. I'm just spitting out ideas, and you can take them or leave them.

[Dac150]

The black glass might not float over as well with the people. As said before, it would look like it came from the 70s or 80s. I would suggest using a brighter color, such as blue, possibly with a hint of green. It would look more modern, at least to me. What does everyone think of this idea?

Do you think it would be a turn off to people though? Like, would you feel uncomfortable there to go shopping (as an example) or get a cup of coffee?

The design is very similar to the WTC. There is a large underground mall as well as street level retail and cafe's. I want to make the complex as pubicly appealing as possible, but I truly need the corporate feel to satisfy the commercial occupants. Plus, I am in love with the architecture, and the developer gets what he wants (not to come off like a bastard). A the end of the day though, its my money..........

[Tanster]

i really like tower 2. especially the third pic down
cant wait to see it complete

[Dac150]

i really like tower 2. especially the third pic down
cant wait to see it complete

Thank you. I am very proud of that building. I spent week playing around with different ideas and concepts to fit into that space. When I first designed in in 2004, I had hopes it would be the largest office building in the world, but cities like Dubai and Shanghi have crused that. It should take the title from 55 Water Street though as the largest office building in the city.

This is what tower 2 contains:

-3.5 Million sqft of Grade "A" office space
-Full sized theater
-5 star world class hotel
-street level retail and dining
-rooftop mezzanine with pool and garden
-meeting space
-90th floor indoor & outdoor observation decks (open to public :) )
-2 sky lobbies
-access to underground subway station
-underground shopping concourse (Mall) and dining
-Access to underground vehicle garage
-Two floor penthouse (two top floors of the hotel)
-And a few more ammenities here and there

I designed this building to be very versitile in giving ammenities to the public, guests, tourists, tenants, and the lucky person who will own that penthouse. :tup:

[Tanster]

wow access to underground subway!
so do the people walk out form the subway and go straight to the underground mall...?.... cool

[Dac150]

Yes:
Sub lvl 1: Mall, concourse
Sub lvl 2: Mall, concourse, station
Sub lvl 3: Shopping/dining concourse, station
Sub lvl 4-7: garage
Sub lvl 8: Utility

The underground complex is all conected with access directly from both towers as well as one from the above ground plaza. The two towers are connected both underground and by the overpass, or if you want to stroll through the plaza.

The former WTC is a prime example of what this complex is like.

[Derek]

im lovin it ;)

[foxmtbr]

Sweet!

[Dac150]

I have been working with a few designers and urban planners (students that his) from my school in the past month. I have revitalized the entire complex from the ground up. Tower 1 has now larger floorplates, Tower 2 is bigger and taller (with a new Observation deck, and I have added another tower (45 floors) to the complex. When I can I will show you guys the pics, but for now school is in session, and that comes first. Sorry, but I should have visual updates soon!!!

[Dac150]

IS THERE ANYTHING YOU WANT TO SEE?

Please feel free make requests on what you would like to see incorporated into this complex!

[foxmtbr]

I think the idea is already great, I just can't wait to see more! :tup:

[Imperar]

Hi DC150,

Seeing that you are quite serious about this project (you have mentioned working on it for 5 years), of yours I would therefore also like to give some input and suggestions on what to improve to your design.

I really like the 5* Cassidy NY Hotel, especially the top, so would advise keeping the design. The observation deck of Tower 2 is quite interesting, perhaps ask yourself could it have an alternative use? Could this structure connect to the tallest structure in some way like you have done shown in your pictures? it would be interesting if it did.

With the tallest structure I believe it would be very interesting to see it in context with the surrounding buildings just to compare it with them. I feel it will add a different impression to NY never seen before in terms of proportions and dimensions relative to that of other buildings. For example, it appears so thin because its proportions relative to its height and base is significantly greater than usual. It does strike a resemblance to the WTC however, which may give a wrong impression. Nevertheless, it does pose curiosity and questions upon the viewer as to why such a design of this nature should have been.

Are there ways you could maximize effective use of space within your design? I see a lot of space on the ground level that may perhaps include extensions to one or more of the existing structures. Or you could incorporate additional functions in those space that will make it more interesting.

Although not a fan of the architectural style myself I am fascinated how it will look like in real life, perhaps you could add a few more pictures maybe of models/sketch drawings/coloured rendering/a montage, detailed plans, sections, elevations, that give us more of an idea of your proposal in context, that will in effect help us to give better and more varied input into the development of the design. Perhaps it will look good if the black casing facade will look impressive if it were to have a marble/reflective quality to it, rather than a block-solid black that alone, can intuitively make it unfriendly to the eye (a contrast of a brighter colour such as white, will reverse this effect). Since at the moment google sketchup does not appear to be the best tool to reflect upon the true intentions of your work, please do show us varying modes of mediums as well. It would be nice to see some real life block modellings too showing the spaces inside.

Edit: I forgot to mention, with the snapshots of your googlesketchup models, it maybe additionally helpful for us, if you could do short annotations to the various parts of the model to better explain what they are and how it is used? Arrows leading from the annotations to the parts of the model will be a good way to do represent this. I would also like to know how high and how wide the structures and the base are in meters

I agree with some of the others here about the fountain, and the issues with lack of trees. Circular structures are intuitively seen as more friendlier (hence the reason why most fountains are round). Trees can provide air in an area that lacks a fresh supply of it.

You have to start asking yourself whether such a design is socially, economically, and environmentally sustainable (the three stools of sustainability), will you test your designs to see if it will bring people together socially rather than turn them away? Will this be financially practical in terms of construction costs and maintenance? What impact will the construction/maintenance/function have on the surrounding environment? How will you go about addressing these issues?

Green architecture is becoming more popular in this age, maybe try experimenting in incorporating green design into the two towers (as mentioned earlier, the sky lobbies could serve as some sort of natural preserve). Or formulate a strategy to conserve energy, or benefit the environment in some way.

Don't forget to always, ask yourself whether you have justified clearly your intentions over the design of your proposal, have you clarified in detail valid reasoning over the decisions you have made? Is your design rational, logical?

I see a few sculptures there, but do they make sense? There appears a pyramid but serves no inherent (useful) function other than to be looked at and become some sort thing to fill in a void, would it perform in any other way? i.e. Storage space, somewhere to sit, electrical generator installment etc. Also it seems a little out of place as well.

Lastly, I would advise that you print out all our suggestions, and stick them in some sort of sketchbook so you can look back and work alongside them (that's what I do :) )

We look forward to see how your project evolves and progresses over the course of time ;)

Regards,
Imperar

[Dac150]

Imperar,

Thank you so much for the feedback. It is comments like this one I wish would come along more often. You really gave me a good perception on how an individual's minset is toward this project. Both you compliments and suggestion were taken into consideration and appreciated. I do plan on keeping your post (as suggestion) for reference. It's good to have opinions and suggestions from a civilian rather than a partner.

As you did state and were correct; google sketchup limits your ability to what you can do and not do. That is the case. What I have done is a mock rough sketch of the project, so physical appearence is something that has to be set aside in this case. I just want to give the public an idea for what could be.

You also said to consider the social and economic aspects of the project which I along with my partners have immensly gone over. Socially I can see where your coming from as far as the "unfriendly appearence". The development will provide retail, a mall, hotel, numerous eateries, access to public transportation, observation deck, street retail, trees, gardens, civilian accessible lobbeis, etc. So there are many people friendly aspects. I for one though love this architectural style and by the time this falls into place, (given this projects architectual style) it could be considered neo-classic representing architecture from many decades ago.

Economically, yes this project will go well into the billions, however there are many beneficial aspects to make the price tag well worth it. Millions of Grade A office space for mid-town, much retail, public transportation access, tourism, etc. My ultimate goal is to also have a direct below grade train system that will connect Cassidy plaza to LGA, Newark, and JFK Airports. That of course is a sole proposal, but if built, will cut down vehicle transportation into the city from the airports, and city connection via subway is also a definate incorporation. With all that at hand, the city zoning council, has told me along with my partners, that the project itself stands a considerable chance of becoming a hard proposal, providing the fact that the zoning council can strike an agreement.

The big obstacle will be funding, and banks are not just going to hand over billions of dollars. So yes we have are work cut out for us, though myself along with my team are strongly confident in our ambition.

Expect new visual updates to appear this weeked for sure!
Thank you so much Imprerar. You comment is once again highly valued.


For everyone else, do not be shy to give feedback like Imprerar. That is what i am looking for.

Thank you,
-Dac150

[Dac150]

Here is a quick shot until the big visual update:

As you can see, there are many changes:
http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/6285/cdcavq1.jpg

More to come soon.........

[Mocholate]

:( Come on guys, how about some replies. All this work and just one.............................:(


:previous: Hi Dac , being quite a noob i spent some time not long ago trying to find every available SU project in the forums , i thought i had seen them all but a few obviously snuck by . maybe chuck a link to this thread in your posts -thats how i found a lot of other peoples threads

I would definately have replied and said how cool your project sounds and looks ,with awesome detail, i hope the real project is successful :tup: Is there enough render on iy for a view minus the edges ?

I think it will still be looked on as a good design in the future years yeah.

[Dac150]

Hey Thank you!

[Peter]

I never saw this thread. I just read the whole thing and I find this entire project fascinating! Dac, I had no idea you were a real designer, cool! Your signature makes sense to me now. I hope you are still for real with this project and plan on showing more pictures. I would love to give feedback. I'm not an expert on designing, but neither will the people who live, work, or frequent the plaza. I hope to see more of this. I have already noticed very small details I'd like to comment on, but I'd rather be sure you are still working on this, and if you are, for the big visual update you mentioned above in case you fixed anything I noticed.

[Dac150]

I will give a big visual update within the next week.

In the mean time, feel free to comment on what is currently here.

[Mocholate]

:cool:

Are you gonna join in the compilation city ?

[Dac150]

No.

[Dac150]

Please Leave Comments. Good or Bad they are greatly appreciated!

This is a pictorial overview of the site and the buildings on it. ENJOY!

CASSIDY PLAZA:

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/2192/cdcbwf8.jpg

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/9466/cdccwu0.jpg

http://img407.iamgeshack.us/img407/4834/cdcdpv7.jpg

http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/3397/cdcepw6.jpg

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/2275/cdcfxg3.jpg

http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/3914/cdcgps6.jpg

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/4167/cdchtq8.jpg

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/379/cdciwk5.jpg

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/6130/cdcjad8.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8837/cdckjk0.jpg

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/3968/cdcldm3.jpg

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/7237/cdcmae4.jpg

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/9300/cdcnpe2.jpg

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3931/cdcojl5.jpg

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8936/cdcpcg4.jpg

http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/1848/cdcqht6.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/1035/cdcrgl1.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/922/cdcsqd9.jpg

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/8359/cdctfy5.jpg

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/914/cdcuys1.jpg
This overpass or "sky bridge" will run across 8th Avenue.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3677/cdcvqv4.jpg

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/7083/cdcwxk7.jpg
Like the WTC, each building will have a sign like this one to indentify the building.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6079/cdcxud2.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3995/cdcyge2.jpg

Once again, please leave a comment. If you can make it as explanatory as possible.

[Mocholate]

no complaints from me here , looks like you are close to doing the rest of the render ?

[Dac150]

I cannot show the final render for privacy reasons.

However, I need some more comments. Please, they are a big help!

[Mocholate]

ah , i see , ok i have a question then i was gonna ask , how tall is the observation deck on Cassidy plaza 2 and will you be putting some sort of railing around it ? also how come the faces are reversed on some parts , thanks , keep up the good work

Edit, silly me , the height is clearly written there :haha:

[Dac150]

The outside observation deck of Tower 2 sits above the 90th which is 1,200ft above street level. The inside observation deck is located on the 89th floor. I want people to get the experiance year round. On the 90th floor there is a 5 star restaurant with 360 degree views of Manhattan, New Jersey, and the other boroughs. And yes, railing with span around the perimeterm of the deck.

I don't understand your second question.

[Mocholate]

where the faces are that blue-grey colour the faces are reversed

[Dac150]

Its no big deal I guess. This is just a model to show you forumers.

If you have any additional questions please ask.:tup:

[Mocholate]

:cool: just wondering why it was , i dont really understand what difference it makes having reversed faces ,just hoping you could tell me :haha:

[Dac150]

I dont even understand, I just made this to show you guys.

[Peter]

i really love the entire complex. it's designed really good. i also have some questions. is the city going to allow you to demolish all the current buildings to build this? will those people be relocated? i'm sorry, i just don't know a lot about that stuff. i'm curious.

also, i'll try to explain as best as i can. i noticed this in the original updates too. at the bottom of tower two on the side that slopes down, there is a line of windows. they have a bottom cut in half and then a half circle above it those halves. i like the design of the windows, but against the slope something seems a little odd with them, but it may just be me. I think the angled slope is contrasting with the curve on the half circle of the windows? especially the last window where it almost meets the bottom of the slope where it meets the ground. there is like an empty spot like a trianlge where the same type of curved window design won't fit. if you don't know what i'm talking about i would be glad to circle the area in photoshop.

[Dac150]

i really love the entire complex. it's designed really good. i also have some questions. is the city going to allow you to demolish all the current buildings to build this? will those people be relocated? i'm sorry, i just don't know a lot about that stuff. i'm curious.

also, i'll try to explain as best as i can. i noticed this in the original updates too. at the bottom of tower two on the side that slopes down, there is a line of windows. they have a bottom cut in half and then a half circle above it those halves. i like the design of the windows, but against the slope something seems a little odd with them, but it may just be me. I think the angled slope is contrasting with the curve on the half circle of the windows? especially the last window where it almost meets the bottom of the slope where it meets the ground. there is like an empty spot like a trianlge where the same type of curved window design won't fit. if you don't know what i'm talking about i would be glad to circle the area in photoshop.



Thank you for responding first off,

To answer your first question: I would simply buy out the owners of the buildings that are currently on the plot. Those tactics are done constantly when it comes to developing buildings. For the right price, they'll move. Other times (if your fortunate as a developer) the city could evict the people out of the homes, or businesses and relocate them. Mostly though the developer or partner buys them out.

If you can like you said, circle the area in photo shop, that would be great. I can't understand the second question.

[Peter]

thanks for answering my first question


here is a circle around the windows i was meaning.
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/8353/21663799dc1.jpg
i like the design of them. i'm assuming the split on the bottoms are doors? anyways, the arrow points to the main thing i was mentioning. it leaves an empty triangle space becauase the curved window can't fit against the slope going down. maybe i'm just picky? :haha: perhaps a triangle window could fit into the empty part? one could also go on the right side, but the point facing the other way to make it look the same. like this:
http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/8739/12135497ch2.jpg
plus, it's not like they would be the only triangle windows in that part alone. just above them in the mock glass section there are triangle windows where it meets the angle. but i'm no expert...it's up to you! :)

[Dac150]

The hollow space is just a experimental glitch.

The things on the botton are multiple double doors that lead into the central grand lobby of tower 2 from the plaza. The curved glass above the doors is just decorative.

The triangle was made just to add a little twist to the design. Inside will be portions of trading floors, a restaurant, and television studio (I would love to sign either CBS, or FOX).

You also have given a good suggestion. I'll consider it and play around with it. Triangle windows would flow with the rest.

Thanks again for the questions! (I'll answer any more if you have.)

[Peter]

thank you for explaining everything. good luck if this is for real! if i have any more questions i'll ask. :)

[foxmtbr]

Wow, stunning work!

[Dac150]

Thank you Peter and Fox.

[Dac150]

Peter-

I have decided to go with your triangle idea, but only on the left side of the building. It flows pretty well and adds that commonality of an all glass look for that portion of Tower 2.

Thanks for the suggestion.

[Peter]

excellent! i am glad to help. :cool: if i notice any thing else i will post for you

[Dac150]

Sounds good.

[Dac150]

Here is an update showing the common windows that will be used on the buildings (shown as an example on Tpwer 2), as well as storefronts on the bottom of Tower 2 in the Plaza.

These are the storefronts that will be in this section of the plaza at the base of Tower 2. There are three on either side of the East entrance (to Tower 2 from within the Plaza). There is also another store space on the corner to the left side of the picture.

These Plaza storefronts will house elite brands such as Sac's Fifth Avenue, Rolex, Ann Taylor, Liz Clairborne, Giorgio Armani, Breitling, & Gucci.

There are other storefronts at the base of the other areas of the Plaza as well as the outskirts of the buildings and ofcourse within the buildings.

The entrance that is pictured is a doorway to the Hotel elevator banks, office elevator banks, the Grand Theatre, Access to the underground levels, retail, restaurants, and to the Central Lobby of Tower 2.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/6130/storefrontsyw4.jpg

This next picture is one showing an example the facade that will cover the entire complex. I did this portion of Tower 2, above the storefronts. This area that is facaded is office.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/9901/windowspd3.jpg

That is all for now.

Once again please leave a comment, question, or opinion! For the time it takes, its important for me to get people's opinions!

Thank you!

[Austin55]

much better!:cheers:

[Dac150]

much better!:cheers:

It was always like that in the actual model and renderings, I just never put it in this sketch-up model.

[foxmtbr]

Great stuff! I'm digging the facade, I can only imagine how good it will really look. :tup:

[Dac150]

:previous:
Thank you.

[Peter]

it looks great. :)

question, and i'm sorry if you already said this: what is the facade going to be made of, and what color will the glass be? :cool:

[Dac150]

it looks great. :)

question, and i'm sorry if you already said this: what is the facade going to be made of, and what color will the glass be? :cool:

The Facade will be made out of (of course) glass, and stainless steel alloy (titanium) coated with a black finish.

The glass will be very dark tinted windows (black if you will) to match the black coating on the steel.

The window frames will be made out of black coated aluminum.

In some areas on the bottom (storefronts, looby entrances, entryways, etc...), there will by Italian black marble, and gold coated aluminum.

The Black represents the corporate dominace and power, while the exterior gold and marble represent the elegence, luxury, and elite nature that is Cassidy Plaza.

[Peter]

That sounds excellent. thanks for sharing the info. :)

[Dac150]

Here is more of Tower 2 with the facade. The "white" portion is part of the 5 Star "Cassidy Hotel of New York". I plan on putting the facade on the rest of that side.

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9677/w2vp0.jpg

A really stunning shot!

[Peter]

superb! another question: are there going to be trees in the plaza? i know you're probably not to the point of adding trees to this model, but doing any planters would at least let us see where trees will be located. any trees on any rooftops either? again, sorry if i missed this info earlier.

[Dac150]

Rooftops:

On the Promonade over the street, there will be a few trees as well as a sculpture. On the other 5 promonades, there will be some grass, stone pathways, shrubbery, and open areas used for outdoor conferences.
Out of the 6 promonades:
-4 are for tenants only
-1 is for public use
-1 is for hotel guests

The Plaza:

-The Plaza will have several planters (as you would find on city streets).


I am always happy to answer questions! :)

[Austin55]

:cool: very cool

[Dac150]

Within the next day or so, I will post a pic showing the trees that will stand in the Plaza.

[Dac150]

Here is an update shoing where the trees will be located on the property.

These trees are located on the sidewalk in the rear of Tower 3. On the bottom of this area will be many shops that I will get to placing in this model, along with benches and street lights.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/8940/t1mu1.jpg

These trees are on the Public Promonade connecting Tower 1 with Towers 2 & 3. The Promonade also contains a sculpture of a pryamid which represents the life long innovation of building. There will also be Tables & chairs along with benches on the Promonade.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/1457/t2vp8.jpg

Here are trees and plants that are located in the Central Plaza near the base of Tower 2 (right infornt of the storefronts of that area). Along with these trees and plants is a sculpture of the letter "C". The "C" represents myself as the owner and the developer. There are countless "C's" throughout the entire complex. (There will be a "C" on all of my worlwide properties).

In addition to these trees, there will be others in the other areas of the Central Plaza along with numerous benches, tables, and chairs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/1257/t3od1.jpg

-There will always be music playing in the Central Plaza aswell as the Lobbies. The music genre is either smooth jazz or classical.


Currently I am putting the "Bentley & Aston Martin" dealership along with the other storefronts in his model to show you.

Thank you, and please: Leave comments, questions, or opinions!

[Austin55]

Saweeeeeett! youre at the fun part now,NOT trees are anoying

[Dac150]

^^^^^^^^
Nope........

Remeber this is just a model tho show the forumers, not the actual one.

[Dac150]

Everyone knows Cassidy Plaza is home to the elite and luxurious in every aspect. So I thought about 2 months ago: Why not add luxury automotives to the mix, being I love high-end cars.

So I did,
The 2 Primary dealers of this dealership are Bentley and Aston Martin. However they also house all types of luxury and exotic vehicles.

They include:
Bentley, Aston Martin, Rolls Royce, Ferarri, Lamborghini, Bugatti, Jaguar, BMW, Spyker, Saleen, Mercedes-Benz, Maybach, Porsche, Land Rover, Lotus, Maserati, Peugot, etc....

There is a 30 car showroom thats takes up 2 floors, as well as a 50 car inventory in the 400 car below ground parking garage.

Once in a while there will be a large banner showing either a car or a car company that takes part in the dealership. This particular banner is one of a Bentley Continental GTC.

There are always exotic and luxurious cars on the sidewalk infront of the dealership for the public's enjoyment as well as additional marketing.
Sometimes they are aslo shown in the Central Plaza.

Here is a pic of the dealership (could not find a Bentley logo to fit)....
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2306/bentleyvp6.jpg

You will also notice the storefronts I am still working on.

Thank you, and remember to post comments, questions, or opinions!

[Dac150]

The storefronts are coming along well. There should be an update (for those who are interested..........) sometime within the week.

[Austin55]

Verry sweet. Your really getting into the detals:)

[Dac150]

^^^

Well only a few. I can only show you guys so much. I'm estimating there will only be about five more visual updates for this thread. After that you'll have to wait 15 years to see to actual thing built. It is there you can explore all of the details for yourself.:tup:

[Austin55]

do you think this is actually gonna get built?:shrug:do you have any photoshops of it in the skyline?

[Dac150]

Yes it will be built, and no I cannot you show anything beyond this for privacy reasons.

[Peter]

Very nice, the trees made it more alive.

Do you plan to texture this model?

[Dac150]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

No I apologize, but I cannot show you forumers that much. Whats there is all thats going to be there for this model. I just wanted to get a public reaction to the project. I'm not going crazy with this particualr model.

[Peter]

I understand. I suppose we'll all have to wait for those professional renderings once it comes closer to being built ;)

[Dac150]

^^^^^^^

It'll be a while, but I can assure it will be a sight worth waiting for.

[DanE008]

Well this is an interesting thread…
After a brief examination of your project, I feel that for someone like myself who isn’t the largest fan of the international box style to begin with, the complex in its entirety is just too much for me. Now that of course is just my opinion, and I wouldn’t have a problem with just that except that the corporate theme seems to make its way into the street level as well. It is like taking the suburban office campus and forcing it into an urban setting with its harsh window fronts and “bland” plazas. As someone else stated earlier, I think that a great way to combat these issues would be to break this mega block into two city blocks; thereby creating a project which is more tightly wound into the already existing urban fabric as opposed to a more “isolated district”.

All of this of course is just my input, so take from it what you will. My only question is in regards to the timeframe of this project. Many of the world’s largest buildings did not require a timeframe upwards of fifteen years until construction. It is actually somewhat risky to have such a large timeframe as the economics surrounding this project are likely to be completely different than what they are today. The only time I have seen projects take this long is when they are proposed, approved, put on hold, and then revived all over again. Of course this is all in front of the public, and I’m sure that plenty went on behind the scenes well before the public was aware of the project. But fifteen years?

Well for whatever happens from here good luck to you!

[Dac150]

Well this is an interesting thread…
After a brief examination of your project, I feel that for someone like myself who isn’t the largest fan of the international box style to begin with, the complex in its entirety is just too much for me. Now that of course is just my opinion, and I wouldn’t have a problem with just that except that the corporate theme seems to make its way into the street level as well. It is like taking the suburban office campus and forcing it into an urban setting with its harsh window fronts and “bland” plazas. As someone else stated earlier, I think that a great way to combat these issues would be to break this mega block into two city blocks; thereby creating a project which is more tightly wound into the already existing urban fabric as opposed to a more “isolated district”.

All of this of course is just my input, so take from it what you will. My only question is in regards to the timeframe of this project. Many of the world’s largest buildings did not require a timeframe upwards of fifteen years until construction. It is actually somewhat risky to have such a large timeframe as the economics surrounding this project are likely to be completely different than what they are today. The only time I have seen projects take this long is when they are proposed, approved, put on hold, and then revived all over again. Of course this is all in front of the public, and I’m sure that plenty went on behind the scenes well before the public was aware of the project. But fifteen years?

Well for whatever happens from here good luck to you!


First off, thank you for your input. It's greatly appreciated!

1. As far as the project coming off overwhelming, you have to take into consideration it's being built in the most overwheling city in the world. The versatility of the complex is what makes it so big.

2. The project is not going to take 15 years to build. In fact it will take about 2-4 years to build. I am still in early stages right now. With that and all of the negotiations, structural testing, continual designing, and financial gathering: that will take up the bulk of the time. I plan to have this thing built a soon as possible.

3. The layout of the building has been a consistent downer amongst the forumers. However I cannot stress the fact that this is a little model to show you forumers. Its not nearly 100% detailed. The base of all the buildings will behold large amounts of upscale dining and retail as well as moderate scale retail and dining. There will be two underground floors of Mall containing retail and dining, as well as subway stations and parking. There will also be retail and dining within the buildings, as well as a 5 star hotel and theatre and public promonades (elevated). There is even a luxury car dealership. The versatlitly of this complex is just amazing!

If you look closely at the pics I posted, you will se that there is a street dividing tower 3 from the rest of the plaza. However there is elevated promonades and building above it.

I understand what is being said about the corporate feel, but I can garuntee that will not be the feeling. Will there be a strong corporate presence, of course, but it will not be the total atmosphere of the complex.

Thank you,
Dac150:tup:

[Dac150]

.

[Dac150]

If you guys can start posting more comments on this as oppose to Hutchinson, I would greatly appreciate it. This of course does have to do with my future and career and I can show you more pics.

If you have any questions I'll be happ to answer them, but PLEASE read the information I gave in previous pages, because 9 chances out of 10 you'll answer will be there.

Please also give suggestions and opinions. Not 1 or 2 word comments like: cool, nice job, I like it, keep it up. They won't help. If you can say why you think its cool, that would be better. Explanations are what I'm looking for.

Thank you.:tup:

[Dac150]

Here is a pic showing the Central Plaza. You can see a globe in the midde (not the best job), but that will be a model of the Earth. The Oceans will be covered in silver and the Continents will be covered in gold. The globe is the centerpiece of the entire complex.
scroll>>>>>>>>>>>>
http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/2125/globeui4.jpg

[Austin55]

:2cents:

IMO it looks WAY to much like the world trade center.
maybe a fountin instead?
also,to mans C's and cassidy stuff.
since your facede's are not very good(no offense,there just lines) ,but the could use some touching up.

[Dac150]

You have to understand that this isn't anything near (deatil wise) what the actual model looks like.

[Patrick]

Sorry Mate, but its WAY too much like the World Trade Center, I find it a little offensive and uncreative. You have to admit the sphere picture looks dead close to the actual sphere at the WTC. I do like the towers themselves, but the plaza needs some work. The WTC was an amazing archtectual feat, but it was very impratical, the plaza was very large and looked really dead and un-human until the amazing renovations of 1998 and the years before. More trees maybe? they sure added a ton of trees in 1998, and look, the plaza became a popular spot in NYC for concerts and such.

[Austin55]

That doesnt explain its WTC resemblance.
do you even have a real model?()
Edit,patrick,that is my issue,the public's not gonna like this.
I think we need A ton of pictures,5 atleast,of differint parts of the complex.

[Dac150]

Yes there are multiple models and designs that illustrate the structural integrity of the complex as well as more cosmetic detail. I cannot show those though because that would be basicaly handing my work over to possible prospectors on a silver platter.

As far as the similarities to the WTC, yes it is suppose to resemble the WTC. Of course the buildings themselves don't, but the enviroment does. The bland boring corporate architecture is what I like, so i am going to design buildings that revolve around it.

And yes with the more detail. There will be a lot of trees, details to the plaza, benches, tables, and much more. I can only do so much on sketchup.

And like I said, it gets quite tiresome after a while repeating the same thing. I have answered all the deatil and tree questions multiple times before. Please see if I answered questions before you ask them.

[Austin55]

http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6415/plazaoverviewiq8.jpg
Imo the walls sorrounding the plaza area on the right hand side are to tall.
maybe you vould add a setback with gardens or somthing?
can we have a picter without line's,to see the general ahape of the tower and plaza?

[Dac150]

:previous: :haha: :haha:

Thats from when I was 17. Good times I'll tell you. I remeber it like it was yesterday. I remember the Friday after school I made that. I was in love. I found the perfect design (IMO). And all these years after, I still kept the design but added more to it. Now it's only matter of time until it's in the skyline.

But you can't refer to that. too old. Believe me there will be many more details and trees. You think I'd build it like that?:haha:

A couple of pages back you'll see pics where I put trees. You'll get a better sense of where they"ll be.

[Austin55]

trees dont matter,currently its all about the buildings.
could we have a newer pic from that area? it looks very clausterphobicishnessamigiglydodlydo.

[Dac150]

Ok, I'll post one later.