[Alliance]

As far as I know, sales have been rather stagnant for two years (around 80%?).

I KNOW the Spire has caused him grief. The Spire was more than Trump's original proposal could have ever attempted to be, if had even carried through on his big winded "proposal."

[asheesh88]

Driving to work southbound on LSD this morning, the Trump cranes were clearly visible from the North. This building will really have a strong presence from the North as well. It will pop up right in the middle of the "void" of 700 footers between JHC and Sears.

Cant wait till this time next year.

Asheesh

[dayznfuz]

Not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but thought people might be interested.

The Chicago Trump will be featured on this week's Build It Bigger airing wednesday (9/19/07) on the Discovery Channel.

[Chitown]

Not sure if anyone's posted this yet, but thought people might be interested.

The Chicago Trump will be featured on this week's Build It Bigger airing wednesday (9/19/07) on the Discovery Channel.
Someone definitely did, but I appreciate the reminder (but, damnit, you should have waited until tomorrow; I'll probably forget to tivo it despite this reminder :haha:).

[Chi649]

"It's the ideal location for an architectural icon. One that's really here, really happening, and ready for you to move into next year."

"Architectural icon" is a description Trump has never really touted for this building. Instead, he had emphasized location and amenities. Not entirely true because the sign on Michigan Ave. in front of Wrigley touts Trump as "stunning architecture" and "a landmark for the 21st century". I happen to agree with both comments btw. :tup:

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7928/dsc06154de4.jpg

[Alliance]

Thats almost false advertising. Look at those reflections *sigh*

[jcchii]

cranes also are visible now coming in from the west on the eisenhower

[ColumbusTim79]

the spire on the trump poster looks halfway nice.. hope the real thing turns out that well

[Marcu]

^ The spire on Trump will become just as much of a landmark as the antennae on the Hancock and Sears. It looks very organic and was a great addition to the building. It didn't look complete without it.

[cbotnyse]

Thats almost false advertising. Look at those reflections *sigh*name me one building in the city that reflects its surroundings like a mirror?

[Chi649]

Thats almost false advertising. Look at those reflections *sigh*true, I was noticing that myself :Haha:

name me one building in the city that reflects is surroundings like a mirror?Well, there are a couple that I can think of, but most of the buildings that I see do in fact have wavy reflections. The most striking example of a true mirrored building has to be the new one at block 37 though. Also, there is 600 North Fairbanks. But there are many beloved buildings such as 2Pru and 333 Wacker that are just as wavy as Trump, case in point:

333 Wacker
From Flickr
http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/916/17303819024b81c083fs1.jpg

[Chitown]

^I've noticed that the reflective quality depends greatly on perspective; they seem to do much better from a greater distance or a sharper angle. I think this whole thing is way overblown.

[Nowhereman1280]

I was just saying the same thing about Hancock's glass...

Trump's glass is pretty much the norm. The only reason you don't see wavy reflections on buildings like 600 N Fairbanks is that the glass is not reflective, not necessarily because it is really flat and not wavy...

[haurb]

Mirror reflections or not, you got to admit that, in person, that glass is pretty damn beautiful. Off topic, but this structure has what only one other building in Chicago has (that I know of) and that is that amazing "end cap" placement compared to the street. The view of Trump at the corner of Wabash and Harrison is much more magnificent to me than when I'm standing next to it. The other building I mentioned is the Stock Exchange at the end of LaSalle. Both are the endcaps of two large streets. Trump, however, has a major advantage just from its sheer size compared to the other buildings on wabash. I cant wait to see how it will look! Sorry if I came out of left field, by the way- I dont post often. I think it may have something to do with the fact that I don't know anything about architecture. Believe me, though, I'm trying. Until then I'll stick with the "oh, thats pretty!" comments;)

[Nowhereman1280]

Another piece of evidence in defense of Trump Tower Chicago's glass:

600 N Fairbanks from up close:


http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/aaron38/Chicago%209-17-07/600NFairbanksparking.jpg
aaron38

Note the rare reflection of another building by 600's nearly completely clear glass. Note how that reflection is also wavy... Note how it would be just as wavy as Trumps if it were reflective...

Therefore if you think 600 N Fairbanks has quality glass, then you must admit TTC has quality glass...

[aaron38]

The glass does look much better in person. In pictures I'm bothered by the distortions, but don't mind when standing there. Maybe it's because you can see the clouds moving in the glass, and there's more to look at.

From today:
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/aaron38/Chicago%209-17-07/TrumpfromNorth.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/aaron38/Chicago%209-17-07/TrumpfromWabash.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/aaron38/Chicago%209-17-07/Trumprebarlift.jpg

[Rocket1]

REMINDER


Wed, 9/19/07

Discovery Channel; 9 pm CT


Build it Bigger

"High Risk Tower": Chicago's Trump International Hotel and Tower.

[harryc]

...snip... The other building I mentioned is the Stock Exchange at the end of LaSalle. Both are the endcaps of two large streets. Trump, however, has a major advantage just from its sheer size compared to the other buildings on wabash. ...snip...

At the time the "Stock exchange" was the tallest, standing so high that lady commerce (?) on the top has no face - nobody would ever be high enough to see it.

The real test will be how it looks when it is NOT one of the 5 or 6 tallest, another 20yrs ?

The interior of the exchange is well worth the visit ( can you cut through the building post 9/11 ? ), we can only hope Trump musters a small fraction of the class displayed.

[haurb]

At the time the "Stock exchange" was the tallest, standing so high that lady commerce (?) on the top has no face - nobody would ever be high enough to see it.

The real test will be how it looks when it is NOT one of the 5 or 6 tallest, another 20yrs ?

The interior of the exchange is well worth the visit ( can you cut through the building post 9/11 ? ), we can only hope Trump musters a small fraction of the class displayed.

Your right, not the "stock exchange" but the board of trade. you got what I meant

[harryc]

Your right, not the "stock exchange" but the board of trade. you got what I meant

:)

[jcchii]

I agree on the spire
that and the CS will make the skyline look very dynamic and less boxy

we were short a few spires

[brian_b]

The interior of the exchange is well worth the visit ( can you cut through the building post 9/11 ? ), we can only hope Trump musters a small fraction of the class displayed.

You can walk through the Board of Trade building. The restaurant and shops are open to the public.

[Alliance]

No one is asking for a mirror, however, the reflections are clearly substandard and just accentuate the nonsensical design of this tower, of which most of the problems extend from the base.

The glass looks great (as might the tower) when you ignore the bottom half of it. But, as to the reflections, they suck. There are buildings in Chicago that have much better. There are also some that are on-par with its substandardness (333 S Wacker jumps right to the front). No one ever said Trump has the worst reflections in the history of glass. Its just simply not worthy of the gallons thoughtless slobber that dripping down its shiny facade.

Nobody asked for perfect...we simply asked for quality.

This is Trump in IBM...note the relfections:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/delta2094/100_9242.jpg

Inland Steel:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/delta2094/100_3478.jpg

1SDearborn:
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/delta2094/100_3069.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e399/delta2094/100_3481.jpg

There are many examples that don't look like:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/EckerTallness/IMG_3584.jpg

[Steely Dan]

There are many examples that don't look like:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/EckerTallness/IMG_3584.jpg

i'm a big fan of this effect. i simply don't subscribe to the theory that all glass has to perfectly reflect its surroundings. the funhouse mirror warping on this facade offers a whole new lens through which to see our city's magnificent river-scape.

[Nowhereman1280]

Alliance, look at the angle at which all those shots were taken. They were all taken up the side of the building from street level except the one of trump, which was probably taken from almost a block away. Don't you think that the angle and distance has a lot to do with how the glass reflects?

Like I said about the glass on Hancock, it looks great from street level, but when you are up on another building it looks wavy.

[haurb]

Those are some interesting pics that DO help your point, but I was noticing that most were taken much closer than the pic of Trump. I'm sure glass distortion gets less as you focus on less panes, and you can even see some distortion happening in IBM even at that proximity. I'm curious to see the difference of these reflections seen at a close distance compared to a farther distance. It would be perfect to see a pic of IBM's reflection in Trump in the same spot that that pic was taken. Then I'll believe you.:) But seriously, look at the close up of my pic- it was taken even farther than yours, and the reflections are pretty much just blobs. I think it has a lot do do with where you stand. Take what I have with the knowledge that I am not a glass expert- I just know how to break it. I never paid too much attention to the reflections coming off the glass before- thanks for the new thought

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n228/haurb900/trump_pan.jpg

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n228/haurb900/trump_pan_closeup.jpg

[honte]

The best looking one, of course, is Inland Steel. But that's comparing old, single-pane glass to Low-E double glazing; they are totally different animals.

I wish we could go back to single pane and the old steel frames too, but it's just not going to happen.

[StormFire]

At the time the "Stock exchange" was the tallest, standing so high that lady commerce (?) on the top has no face - nobody would ever be high enough to see it.



It is Ceres - the Goddess of Grain on the CBOT.

And back to Trump.....

[BVictor1]

A few recent shots 09/16/07

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/09/560639.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/09/560640.jpg

[Alliance]

Alliance, look at the angle at which all those shots were taken. They were all taken up the side of the building from street level except the one of trump, which was probably taken from almost a block away. Don't you think that the angle and distance has a lot to do with how the glass reflects?

Like I said about the glass on Hancock, it looks great from street level, but when you are up on another building it looks wavy.

The pic of Trump was not one that I took myself, it was posted earlier in this thread. The other photos are my personal ones. As I don't live in Chi, its not convinient for me to run there and take another photo. When I last visited, I swore that I wasn't going to take any picutres of the base and focus on the positives of the building.

When I get back to Chi, I'd be happy to take a pic with my camera and style form an appropriate angle that demonstrates my point. However, I'd want a picutre of the flat side of the building where it would be comparable. Given the construction, the River side was blocked due to construction and I didn't take a picutre form the Wrigley or IBM sides.

Angle and distance certainly play into how glass reflect. I tried to find pictures that I thought were somewhat comparable. However, the shots are not that different imo. I usually take close up shots of buildings, usually from across a street or plaza. Until construction is finished though, I doubt anyone (save Jr. Reb) can get as close to the building as I did to 1SDearborn. Perhaps anyone going to that press tour thing can?

Street level, if you can't tell from my photographs, is the most important to me. And as I've state my opinon thus far on the architecutre and the glass of this building.

i'm a big fan of this effect. i simply don't subscribe to the theory that all glass has to perfectly reflect its surroundings. the funhouse mirror warping on this facade offers a whole new lens through which to see our city's magnificent river-scape.

No one ever said anything about perfection.

I'm looking for a buiding thats as serious about its surroundings as its in itself. Perhaps the distortions are merely a giant parody of our magnificent river-scape, mocking the imprtance of the classic sturctures that surround the awkard and shiny new kid on the block. Why shouldn't Chicago be depicted as Disneyland? Such interpretations are for visual art and not architecture imo.

^At first glance I thought the concrete pump was a person, until I realized how ridiculous it would be for someone to be that tall...

Kind of looks like a giant football player. :haha:

That second Bvic pic with the setbacks actually accentuated instad of hidden makes it look like a much better building.

[Knightwing]

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/09/560640.jpg

At first glance I thought the concrete pump was a person, until I realized how ridiculous it would be for someone to be that tall...

[Knightwing]

Alliance, how often do you get to Chicago and when was the last time you saw Trump in person?

[Alliance]

Alliance, how often do you get to Chicago and when was the last time you saw Trump in person?

I get there about every six months. The last time I was at Trump was August 26th.

[cbotnyse]

No one ever said anything about perfection.

I'm looking for a buiding thats as serious about its surroundings as its in itself. Perhaps the distortions are merely a giant parody of our magnificent river-scape, mocking the imprtance of the classic sturctures that surround the awkard and shiny new kid on the block. Why shouldn't Chicago be depicted as Disneyland? Such interpretations are for visual art and not architecture imo..Disneyland? come on, its not that bad. Do you feel the same way as 333 W. Wacker? the reflections look quite similar to me and the thought of a parody of the river never came close to entering my mind.

and speaking of architecture, dont you think the building, at the very least, attempts to fit into its surroundings, with the setbacks lined up with the surrounding buildings? I think that was a great way to incorporate a supertall into a spot where there arent any others around.

[Steely Dan]

Perhaps the distortions are merely a giant parody of our magnificent river-scape, mocking the imprtance of the classic sturctures that surround the awkard and shiny new kid on the block. Why shouldn't Chicago be depicted as Disneyland? Such interpretations are for visual art and not architecture imo.
i appreciate the warped reflectivity more as the serendipity of the cheap-out on the glass than as some sort of intended design statement about the disney-fication of chicago. sometimes you get more when you pay less. this glass is unintentionally fun and playful; a nice counterpoint to the stiff, arrogant, faux-upper-crust persona trump tries to put forward in everything he does. it's like a joke that trump unknowingly played on himself by cheaping-out, and the results are fun and amusing, and in the end, not necessarily damaging to the overall effect of the building.

[Alliance]

and speaking of architecture, dont you think the building, at the very least, attempts to fit into its surroundings, with the setbacks lined up with the surrounding buildings? I think that was a great way to incorporate a supertall into a spot where there arent any others around.

I do think 333 S Wacker has some real issues with its glass. However, I think the form of 333 S Wacker is superior to Trump's.

And if you rad my comments earlier, the setbacks on Trump were botched in my opinion. There are no forms which trace the entire height of the building. Thats something absolutely critical to me, especially in a supertall.

The only good contextualizaiton to me is the interplay between Trump's facade and IBMs. Its nice to see that nod to modernism and that building.

[cbotnyse]

I do think 333 S Wacker has some real issues with its glass. However, I think the form of 333 S Wacker is superior to Trump's.

And if you rad my comments earlier, the setbacks on Trump were botched in my opinion. There are no forms which trace the entire height of the building. Thats something absolutely critical to me, especially in a supertall.

The only good contextualizaiton to me is the interplay between Trump's facade and IBMs. Its nice to see that nod to modernism and that building.I agree about 333, I love that design. And I hear what you mean about no forms tracing the building, but I feel like a real effort was made to incorporate the surrounding buildings into the design with the each setback.

If you want to talk about a building that does not do that, look down the river at the Spire.

[Alliance]

i appreciate the warped reflectivity more as the serendipity of the cheap-out on the glass than as some sort of intended design statement about the disney-fication of chicago. sometimes you get more when you pay less. this glass is unintentionally fun and playful; a nice counterpoint to the stiff, arrogant, faux-upper-crust persona trump tries to put forward in everything he does. it's like a joke that trump unknowingly played on himself by cheaping-out, and the results are fun and amusing, and in the end, not necessarily damaging to the overall effect of the building. but its not intentional. It was cheap and always will be. I love abstract forms in buildings. I think buildings like the Spire, Aqua, Tour Phare and others are the future of design and the direction that Chicago needs to take. I use them all the time in my own design. The difference is, comparing with what I imagine Aqua will look like, is Aqua was meant to be playful and it will (i hope) likely be successful. Trump on the other hand is, taking your approach, attempting to merge playfulness with modernism. I think it fails miserably.

I think the building has strong points. There are things I like about it. I don't think its a spectacular development, and certinaly not an "architectural icon."

You could see it as a joke on Trumps character, but i see it more as a sign of dispair than something i could laugh at.

[Alliance]

I agree about 333, I love that design. And I hear what you mean about no forms tracing the building, but I feel like a real effort was made to incorporate the surrounding buildings into the design with the each setback.

If you want to talk about a building that does not do that, look down the river at the Spire.

It is something I've been worried about. But, what I hope will happen, is that with the complete elimination of verticality within the building (there are no strong vertical elements) that that aspect of the building will be placed by the rotational motion which will draw your eye to the top. Since there is always a new face added before antother runs out, there is always a surplus of motion. Aiding this, are two things. First, there are no monstrous setbacks that create a total disconnect in the building. The entire form is directional. Secondly, is that the bulges and grooves created by the rotation of the floors alternate back and forth, the eye will be directed back and forth, sauntering back and forth across the building as it rises.

[jjk1103]

....about how tall is Trump now ? I keep trying to compare it with IBM (695') but it looks very different (in height) depending on the direction that you look....

[Steely Dan]

but its not intentional.

i know that, that's why i clearly said it was UNINTENTIONAL. i like the fact that here you have "mr. serious as a heart attack" donald trump looking at his bottom line and realizing he could save X millions of dollars by going with some cheap chinese glass outfit, so he pulls the trigger on the VE deal. but little does he know that this cheap glass will have all the warped mirror reflectivity of some county fair fun-house, hardly the refined, sophisticated, gentlemanly image he seems so desperate to project in all that he does. it's a joke he played on himself. it's funny.

and like i said, i don't think the warped glass really hurts the building at all; i've grown rather fond of its contorted reflections.

[Alliance]

i know that, that's why i clearly said it was UNINTENTIONAL. i like the fact that here you have "mr. serious as a heart attack" donald trump looking at his bottom line and realizing he could save X millions of dollars by going with some cheap chinese glass outfit, so he pulls the trigger on the VE deal. but little does he know that this cheap glass will have all the warped mirror reflectivity of some county fair fun-house, hardly the refined, sophisticated, gentlemanly image he seems so desperate to project in all that he does. it's a joke he played on himself. it's funny.

and like i said, i don't think the warped glass really hurts the building at all; i've grown rather fond of its contorted reflections.I know what you said...its just my writing style.

I know the joke is funny, but what's not funny to me is whats on the river. Thats where it counts. The building is more important than anything.

Then my question is, why ever pay for non-warping glass? WHen Trump dies in 10 years and the building is renamed "Elite Residences at the Ye Olde River Bende"...will the joke still be funny? Or is Chicago going to be looking at this building for the next 200 years scratching their heads?

[Steely Dan]

I know the joke is funny, but what's not funny to me is whats on the river. Thats where it counts. The building is more important than anything.

i agree that what is on the river is ultimately the only thing that matters. where we differ is that you seem to hate the warped glass, whereas i think it's a great addition to "what's on the river". the building is so chameleon-like because of this wacky glass..... it's like 2 dozen different buildings all wrapped up in one. like i said before, by spending less, trump is actually getting more (perhaps more than he bargained for, but more none-the-less).





Then my question is, why ever pay for non-warping glass?
that is a very good question indeed, one that i don't presently have an answer for.

[Phil McAvity]

....about how tall is Trump now ? I keep trying to compare it with IBM (695') but it looks very different (in height) depending on the direction that you look....


I hate to interrupt your vociferous two man repartee here, but could we shift gears for a moment to address this man's point, since it's something i'm also interested in. I'd say the building is 559 feet tall right now. 560 tops.

Any other guesses?

[Knightwing]

There are no forms which trace the entire height of the building. Thats something absolutely critical to me, especially in a supertall.


I'd have to agree there.

[Steely Dan]

^ i'd have to disagree. when did "forms which trace the entire height of the building" become so absolutely make-or-break critical for supertall buildings? chrysler and ESB seem to get along just fine without 'em.

[schnellcbr]

hey just to let everyone know... The television show "Build it Bigger" on the Discovery Channel will do an episode on Chicago's Trump Tower tomorrow night at 10:00 pm eastern. (September 19) I'm really looking forward to it. It's gunna be awesome.

[Dr. Taco]

yeah, if by building-length forms you're talking about are simply building-long stretches of building, why are they necessary? To make the building look taller? If I may go back and take some pictures from this page...

posted by cbotnyse
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f21/cbotnyse/trump/Picture019-1.jpg

posted by aaron38
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/aaron38/Chicago%209-8-07/Trump.jpg


^ its already looking pretty tall, and those pics were taken before it was even half its final height (is it even half its final roof height now?? I think it just reached it...)
The building is looking better and better the higher it goes. If people are praising it now (people who obviously know nothing about architecture ;)) imagine how much praise the building will get once it begins rising once more after this upcoming setback is completed. Like Steely said, the glass isn't perfect, and I used to gag when I saw it, but I got used to it, and I simply don't mind anymore.

haha, looking back, I was actually praying that they'd just stop putting the glass on the building and redo it with better glass. But, it doesnt matter anymore

[cbotnyse]

^^ damn those are some great pics. :worship: :D

[Knightwing]

I'm getting tired of hearing the Build it Bigger reminder, similar to the observation deck with CS. Steely should put it in the thread title for 24 hours until the episode airs...

[jjk1103]

I hate to interrupt your vociferous two man repartee here, but could we shift gears for a moment to address this man's point, since it's something i'm also interested in. I'd say the building is 559 feet tall right now. 560 tops.

Any other guesses?

....could you be more specific than that ?! :haha: ........you are probably right, but it's hard to believe when you look at the Trump web cam...the building actually looks taller than IBM......

[Knightwing]

....it's hard to believe when you look at the Trump web cam...the building actually looks taller than IBM......

It won't hit the height as IBM until the next transfer floor is complete. (Floors 51-52.) They are currently working on floor 48 which hopefully should be poured before the week is out.

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/09/559511.jpg

This was originally posted by BVic. Since then only one additional floor has been added. It is clear that it has a lil while to go before it hits the same height as IBM. It only appears to be taller because the webcam is lower than the current level of the tower and any appearance of Trump being taller is merely an optical illusion...

[harryc]

Shot from today.

http://lh5.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/RvFE5Fb3zLI/AAAAAAAAGH8/2hQ0S3xLJUY/P1030380.JPG?imgmax=640

[Alliance]

I thing the Wabash face is much better than the River side.

^ i'd have to disagree. when did "forms which trace the entire height of the building" become so absolutely make-or-break critical for supertall buildings? chrysler and ESB seem to get along just fine without 'em.

Then they have forms that trace most of the way. They're also not modernist buildings. To me, form seems much more important in modernism. Its why the giant obliesks like JHC are some of the most powerful structures on earth.

Like Steely said, the glass isn't perfect, and I used to gag when I saw it, but I got used to it, and I simply don't mind anymore.

There are two reasons for this (I think its a general reaction).

First, when the buildins was 12 stories, all the glass present had crappy reflecitions. Now that we're almost halfway there, there is a lot mreo building that doesn't have any reflections save the sky. Of course, that class of glass will onyl grow as the building gets taller giving us less crap and more shine. As long as we're looking up, we don't see the base.

Secondly, people just get apathetic or find other aspects that...ahem...trump Trumps glass.

Shot from today.

http://lh5.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/RvFE5Fb3zLI/AAAAAAAAGH8/2hQ0S3xLJUY/P1030380.JPG?imgmax=640

Great pic. Does it come in large? :cool:

[harryc]

...snip...

Great pic. Does it come in large? :cool:

http://picasaweb.google.com/harry.r.carmichael/401WabashTrump

[Steely Dan]

Then they have forms that trace most of the way. They're also not modernist buildings. To me, form seems much more important in modernism. Its why the giant obliesks like JHC are some of the most powerful structures on earth.

we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one. i don't like hard and fast rules that can never be broken when it comes art. that's not an endorsement of the notion that all rule-breaking yields positive results, merely that i wouldn't necessarily discard something out of hand simply because it didn't meet some arbitrary rule (ie. "all modernist supertall buildings must have forms which trace the entire height of the building").








There are two reasons for this (I think its a general reaction).

First, when the buildins was 12 stories, all the glass present had crappy reflecitions. Now that we're almost halfway there, there is a lot mreo building that doesn't have any reflections save the sky. Of course, that class of glass will onyl grow as the building gets taller giving us less crap and more shine. As long as we're looking up, we don't see the base.

Secondly, people just get apathetic or find other aspects that...ahem...trump Trumps glass.


third, some people genuinely like the warped and contorted effects on the reflected cityscape brought about by the "happy accident" of the cheaper glass.

alliance, you are free to hate the impressionist painting of the city that this wacky glass produces, but i truly do think the effect is pretty damn cool, and in some ways it is more interesting than if the glass had produced mirror-perfect reflections. and that's based on a genuine like on my part, i'm not merely being apathetic or desensitized by time. if you read way back through this thread, back to when we first started noticing the warped reflections in the glass, you'll notice that i was singing the very same tune back then.

[BVictor1]

From 09/18/07

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/09/560862.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/09/560863.jpg

[Dr. Taco]

^ nice

Ok, they're on floor 19 of the 3rd section, and have 3 more floors, and then, transfer floor. correct me if I'm wrong

[Knightwing]

^Once they are done with 19 then I think they have 2 more, then the two transfer floors.

[pablosan]

Wow, that's one great looking building.

[Alliance]

i don't like hard and fast rules that can never be broken when it comes art. that's not an endorsement of the notion that all rule-breaking yields positive results, merely that i wouldn't necessarily discard something out of hand simply because it didn't meet some arbitrary rule (ie. "all modernist supertall buildings must have forms which trace the entire height of the building").

The arbitrary rule is something that I like to see in buildings. I discard Trump because I think it sucks. I've listed my reasons. I'm just stating my opinon and my reasons for my opinion.

third, some people genuinely like the warped and contorted effects on the that's based on a genuine like on my part, i'm not merely being apathetic or desensitized by time. if you read way back through this thread, back to when we first started noticing the warped reflections in the glass, you'll notice that i was singing the very same tune back then.

I know you've always liked it. My comment was referring to people who initially were bothered by the glass, but now don't mind it. Not people who now like it, but those who "don't mind it" as was suggested in jstush04's post.

[spyguy]

http://chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=26430

Opening of hotel in Trump Tower delayed

Sept. 19, 2007
By Andrew Schroedter and Eddie Baeb

The 339-room hotel was to welcome its first guests in December. Instead, it is now slated to open in early February, says a spokeswoman with the project, which is under construction along the Chicago River at 401 N. Wabash Ave.
...
The investors who own the condo-hotels will be able to stay in their rooms beginning Dec. 3 as planned — giving the new hotel’s staff a lengthy trial run before next year’s opening.

[Knightwing]

^Did they site a reason for the delay?

[Knightwing]

I guess I'll annoy myself and everyone else one last time by reminding: "Build it Bigger". 45 mins

[Alliance]

:haha: Well, we cna all watch it and discuss it as we go.

[bnk]

REMINDER


Wed, 9/19/07

Discovery Channel; 9 pm CT


Build it Bigger

"High Risk Tower": Chicago's Trump International Hotel and Tower.

:yes:

[OhioGuy]

Thanks for the reminder. I'd forgotten about the show. Starts in just 9 minutes! :)

[ATLksuGUY]

Thanks for the reminder. I'd forgotten about the show. Starts in just 9 minutes! :)

YAAY!!!!

[M. Brown]

The show is basically a Toyota commercial.

[NYonward]

From the show, a couple interesting things I didn't know about:

1) Phased occupancy - interesting idea, although I wish they went more into how this is possible on what seems like a cramped job site and footprint. Having high-end hotel guests in a construction zone seems like a tough sell.

2) Limestone hanging - this is when Build it Bigger gets it right. Seeing how they hang the blocks on the wall was fascinating.

3) How the different setbacks are in line with neighboring Chicago buildings. Very cool.

Tha said, Build it Bigger is often a cheesy show and geared too much at Joe everyman. Everything has to be a world-ending problem. I just want to see how they build the building!!!>?!! I get the whole creating a story idea, but it is grating after 15 minutes.

[Knightwing]

Nice bit on Prairie

[bnk]

From the show, a couple interesting things I didn't know about:

1) Phased occupancy - interesting idea, although I wish they went more into how this is possible on what seems like a cramped job site and footprint. Having high-end hotel guests in a construction zone seems like a tough sell.


3) How the different setbacks are in line with neighboring Chicago buildings. Very cool.

.

These two have been known for awhile for those in the nose(sp).

All in all this is a good show.

It shows TT Chicago, and Chicago in general in a good light, so I am happy overall.

[ColumbusTim79]

What a view from the tower cranes!

[bnk]

I can not wait for the reruns and the overall evaluation from the Chicago fourmers on this show.

I have nothing bad to say about it.

I look forward to the CS show.

[OhioGuy]

Tha said, Build it Bigger is often a cheesy show and geared too much at Joe everyman.

I think I'm "Joe everyman." I mean I did know some of the stuff they covered during the show because of this forum, but overall I'm just your average skyscraper enthusiast. So I enjoyed the show regardless of some of the things covered already being known to me. :)

[theWatusi]

Good show. I would love to get up on that catwalk on the tower crane.

[Knightwing]

I can not wait for the reruns

Get DVR. I'm getting ready to watch it again.

[CarlosV]

Just saw the "Build it Bigger" show with Danny Foster ....it was GREEEAT :)

HIGH-RISK TOWER
Donald Trump's new tower in Chicago, Ill., is not your ordinary skyscraper. Made entirely of reinforced concrete, it will be the tallest formwork structure on the planet. Danny helps the construction crew build the 30th floor. He also does time in the building's tower crane, and works with the "curtain team" to install some of the 8,200 windows that will enclose the tower's curving facade. They don't have much time, because Trump's International Hotel plans to open its doors in just five months' time — it's the fastest move-in ever attempted!
Premiere: Sept. 19, 2007

[JMininger]

From 09/18/07

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2007/09/560863.jpg

Anyone notice that the 12th floor from the last setback is taller than the rest? Had to go back and check it myself to make sure it isn't an optical illusion especially from distance ... but I think I'm correct. Wonder what is different about this floor. Anybody know?

[cbotnyse]

Great show, and a really good inside look at the tower. That host is not cut out for that line of work.

[Chitown]

God almighty, I forgot. :hell:

[ahdude27]

:previous: no worries...it comes on again @ 1:00 AM.

[Ghost]

Anyone notice that the 12th floor from the last setback is taller than the rest? Had to go back and check it myself to make sure it isn't an optical illusion especially from distance ... but I think I'm correct. Wonder what is different about this floor. Anybody know?
Yeah, I have noticed that long time ago. I think it's like that because there is mechanical floors and some sort of lobby.

[JMininger]

Yeah, I have noticed that long time ago. I think it's like that because there is mechanical floors and some sort of lobby.

Quite possible. I always assumed that the mechanical floors were incorporated into the transfer floors and that the lobbies were right above the transfer floors. But that was just an assumption of mine. Thanks!

[Alliance]

The show blew WAY too much credit up Trumps butt. Oo the siding, I doubt Trump specifically asked for steel fins on the building. That has Smith's stamp written all over the building. I didn't hear Smith's name metioned once (I missed the first 2 minutes), but SOM got a plug. They just made it seem like Trump personally oversaw the design of the building. I just see him yelling "make it classy" and the walking away.

I also found the sales center bit interesting, especially on the furnishings. Didn't a prosepective buyer say that it was a real pain that there were only two finished and no addons?

Then again, I mostly watched it for the pan shots.

I laughed out loud when they mentioned about doing the building cheaply. And if Trump is a "high risk tower," I'd hate to see what they called the Spire.

I was also wondering if we saw JrReb :haha:

[museumparktom]

yeah isnt Jreb on the cement crews?

[Chicago2020]

The host sucks :yuck: He was so annoying, I had to put the show on mute. Good show, but please, Discovery Channel, get a new host. Someone who did not find his job through Craigslist (true story).

[Ecker]

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/EckerTallness/Construction%209-19/IMG_3949.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/EckerTallness/Construction%209-19/IMG_3967.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/EckerTallness/Construction%209-19/IMG_3969.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/EckerTallness/Construction%209-19/IMG_3970.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/EckerTallness/Construction%209-19/IMG_3971.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/EckerTallness/Construction%209-19/IMG_3972.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/EckerTallness/Construction%209-19/IMG_3973.jpg

http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/EckerTallness/Construction%209-19/IMG_3975.jpg

[MrLakepoint]

Opening of hotel in Trump Tower delayed
(Crain’s) — The opening of the Trump International Hotel & Tower Chicago is being delayed two months over concerns that amenities including the bar and restaurant facilities won’t be ready by yearend. The 339-room hotel was to welcome its first guests in December. Instead, it is now slat...


http://www.chicagobusiness.com/cgi-bin/news.pl?id=26430&seenIt=1

Posted yesterday by Crain's Business Sept. 19, 2007
By Andrew Schroedter and Eddie Baeb

[NYonward]

I think I'm "Joe everyman." I mean I did know some of the stuff they covered during the show because of this forum, but overall I'm just your average skyscraper enthusiast. So I enjoyed the show regardless of some of the things covered already being known to me. :)

If what I said sounded like I'm a know-it-all, that's not what I meant. By "the show is geared towards Joe everyman" I mean that they tell an infant-like storyline everytime, with constant repetition of everything they said 5 minutes before. You could take that show, minus the commercials, the repetition, the unnecessary and overblown drama, and have 15 minutes of real information.

[haurb]

Hey Ecker- nic pic!:tup:
http://i208.photobucket.com/albums/bb167/EckerTallness/Construction%209-19/IMG_3971.jpg

[Knightwing]

If what I said sounded like I'm a know-it-all, that's not what I meant. By "the show is geared towards Joe everyman" I mean that they tell an infant-like storyline everytime, with constant repetition of everything they said 5 minutes before. You could take that show, minus the commercials, the repetition, the unnecessary and overblown drama, and have 15 minutes of real information.

No, you're absolutely right. The "Joe Everyman" idea is one of the strategic reasons for having a host who is afraid of heights and unable to lift reasonable loads on a construction site. This inherently enables him to relate subconsciously with people who aren't necessarily in the industry or who posess an above average understanding of architectural styles, engineering concepts, or construction methods. I think he gets the job done for the aforementioned audience. It would be a totally different story if he were a host on a show geared towards those with a higher level of knowledge...

[Steely Dan]

The show blew WAY too much credit up Trumps butt. Oo the siding, I doubt Trump specifically asked for steel fins on the building. That has Smith's stamp written all over the building. I didn't hear Smith's name metioned once (I missed the first 2 minutes), but SOM got a plug. They just made it seem like Trump personally oversaw the design of the building. I just see him yelling "make it classy" and the walking away.

absolutely. the program made it sound like donald trump actually designed every facet of the building himself, including the structural systems and construction methods employed. "trump decided to use staggered construction to speed up the process", "trump designed the building to have fancy stainless steel projecting window mullions" "blah, blah, blah trump did everything". except for the 3 second mention that SOM was somehow involved in the project, everything else was trump, trump, trump.

how terribly misleading to the general public who watched this show and walked away from it thinking that donald trump actually knows how to design and construct skyscrapers. trump knows how to finance large construction projects, but the actual nuts and bolts of designing them falls upon the expertise of many professional architects & engineers. it's a shame that the show didn't feel the need to credit any of those people and instead heaped all praise upon trump.

and i could really do without all the unecessary over-dramatized hype that the discovery channel now seems to infuse into every one of their documentary shows. what happened to the good old days when documentaries just provided you with actual, honest, unembellished information? do people actually enjoy the BS little storybook plot lines they conjure up for their "documentaries"?

[djvandrake]

^^^ Couldn't agree more. Trump is such an egomaniac. I bet Smith et..al just sit back and snicker at the bafoon.

And sadly, the Discovery channel has been degrading into this populistic crap for some time. I practically stopped watching the channel when they gave us such cultural gems as "Monster Garage" and "West Coast Choppers". *vomits* :yuck:

[bnk]

God almighty, I forgot. :hell:

for those who missed it.





Sep 20, 2:00 am

(60 minutes) Build It Bigger
High Risk Tower
TV-PG (L)

Host Danny Forester goes inside the building of Trump's Tower in Chicago, not your ordinary super-skyscraper. This one is made entirely of reinforced concrete, making it the tallest formwork structure on the planet.

Sep 22, 11:00 am

(60 minutes)
Remind Me Build It Bigger
High Risk Tower
TV-PG (L)

Host Danny Forester goes inside the building of Trump's Tower in Chicago, not your ordinary super-skyscraper. This one is made entirely of reinforced concrete, making it the tallest formwork structure on the planet.

[Mojava]

I was surprised that not once did they mention the GC, Bovis on this "high risk tower" Not even a glimps of all their advertising all over the project. Also, Trumps high powered broker that they spoke to in the sales center is no longer there.

[Rocket1]

Nice bit on Prairie

The part on Prairie was my favorite too.

It's amazing how much concrete Prairie's making, and the fact that just ounces of their super-secret, special ingredients make such a big difference.

[Ryan81]

The skyline is about to be topped by cranes... Here's a photo while sailing Wednesday evening...

The red arrow marks Trump:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1015/1380909633_a98cbe63e2_b.jpg

Ambient, I hope you don't mind that I did this.....

I posted this on the Boom rundown thread, and thought it would be appropriate here. By the way, I'm sure I am off on some of the heights. It was a quick approximation and is meant to be a representation.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8131/skylinejx3.jpg

[cbotnyse]

^^awesome.

I think missing from that photo is OMP, 300 N. LaSalle, and Legacy.

[Knightwing]

^Nice work Ryan. For the most part everything looks good. Is Waterview correct?