[BVictor1]

07/31/08

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/637151.jpg

From Washington Park
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/637152.jpg

[SolarWind]

August 1, 2008

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5550/ttcmn0.jpg

[10023]

I didn't realize there was this good a view from down there. That's gonna make a sick Olympic backdrop in 8 years if things work out for you guys.

From Washington Park
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/637152.jpg

[i_am_hydrogen]

Taken today:
http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/6227/trump83tl1.jpg

[photoLith]

^^^
That is the best view of that tower hands down! It looks so much tall than it is from there. wow! Ill be there in a week and I cant wait!

[Chitown]

August 1, 2008

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/5550/ttcmn0.jpg
Hm. This must either be a photo-stitch, or the building ran out of its Viagra prescription.

[NYC4Life]

I didn't realize there was this good a view from down there. That's gonna make a sick Olympic backdrop in 8 years if things work out for you guys.

That would almost serve as the Olympic Torch itself.

[i_am_hydrogen]

Taken today (and, yes, we need to cover the tracks):
http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9767/trump832hc7.jpg

[Dalton]

I can hardly wait for the spire. No question this building needs it!

[SkokieSwift]

Hm. This must either be a photo-stitch, or the building ran out of its Viagra prescription.

Or a wide-angle lens.

[brian_b]

Was leaving the zoo looking for some food; looked back and saw this:

http://homepage.mac.com/brian_b/Chicago/TrumpFullerton.jpg

[denizen467]

I didn't realize there was this good a view from down there. That's gonna make a sick Olympic backdrop in 8 years if things work out for you guys.

Actually, that photo was an extreme telephoto shot. The naked eye would never see TTC or any of the other buildings there as being so close. Nice thought though - hopefully the NBC Sports zoom lenses would capture this perspective occasionally...

(For comparison, look at brian b's photo above from Fullerton, which is only 2.5 miles north of TTC. In contrast, Washington Park is probably 7 miles south of TTC.)

[BVictor1]

^^^
That is the best view of that tower hands down! It looks so much tall than it is from there. wow! Ill be there in a week and I cant wait!

The view from north Wabash Avenue is quite impressive as well.


08/02/08

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/637431.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/637432.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/637434.jpg

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/637435.jpg

[BVictor1]

POSTED AT SKYSCRAPERCITY

7-31-08
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/1016/trump9brentwro73108fliceq9.jpg
brentwro, Flickr


7-31-08
http://img113.imageshack.us/img113/6475/trump8brentwro73108flicgv8.jpg
brentwro, Flickr


7-31-08
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2144/trump7brentwro73108flicne6.jpg
brentwro, Flickr


7-31-08
http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/8568/trump6brentwro73108flicbk3.jpg
brentwro, Flickr


7-31-08
http://img390.imageshack.us/img390/822/trumpbrentwro73108flickfj1.jpg
brentwro, Flickr

[AZ KID]

July 30 - August 1

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q190/asilman/chicagotrip186.jpg?t=1217792773

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q190/asilman/chicagotrip023.jpg?t=1217792851

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q190/asilman/chicagotrip076.jpg?t=1217792904

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q190/asilman/chicagotrip102.jpg?t=1217792965

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q190/asilman/chicagotrip109.jpg?t=1217793000

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q190/asilman/chicagotrip112.jpg?t=1217793033

[Dr. Taco]

08/01/08

Looking SSSW:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/jstush04/2-shotSWPanosmaller.jpg


Big:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/jstush04/TrumpGiantSmaller-1.jpg

[Dequal]

Hmm, I don't really like the design. But maybe once it's finished I will change my mind. But I'm not sure. This supertall doesn't make my heart beat faster, as with the Burj Dubai or the Chicago Spire, if you know what I mean.

[wrab]

(dup)

[wrab]

Skyline shot from the IIT/Bronzeville Green Line L station, Sunday 8/3:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/wjcordier/5984533c.jpg

(Shot it after going to the Sullivan stencil exhibit at Crown Hall - awesome - today was the last day, though :( )

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/wjcordier/5976e26d.jpg

[MrLakepoint]

BVictor1 :previous:


Bvic thanks for the post. It looks very clear that those shots are from the 52nd floor.

[SolarWind]

Hm. This must either be a photo-stitch, or the building ran out of its Viagra prescription.
Yeah, I stitched four photos together. Here's one from June which I don't recall posting. I think it's a little better. I didn't have to deal with an internal window reflection and the lens distortion wasn't as bad on this one. I probably should consider buying a wide-angle. Right now I'm only shooting with the lens that came with my camera.

June 17, 2008

http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/1768/14003737gz4.jpg

[Beck4ABigChicago]

Skyline shot from the IIT/Bronzeville Green Line L station, Sunday 8/3:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/wjcordier/5984533c.jpg


Looks good from IIT

[gct13]

gct13 - 7/25/2008


http://gct13.com/i/20080805-chicago-buckingham-fountain-skyline-pano-4497-4506-b.jpg



http://gct13.com/i/20080729-ibm-building-trump-tower-chicago-pano-4244-4248-b.jpg




http://gct13.com/i/20080803-chicago-river-pano-4594-4606-b.jpg

[wrab]

^ Flawless stitches (you too Solar).

[photoLith]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3170/2733754769_c86fb3bf64_o.jpg

How does one go about updating google earth maps. They havent updated the buildings since about 8 months ago at least. Can someone on here do that by any chance? Nothing on google earth has been updated since Trump was at this level.

[scalziand]

I'm surprised they add buildings that are still under construction at all.

[dropdeaded209]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e382/dropdeaded209/2733629087_b35b6c1eab_o2.jpg

from "David Belo" via Flickr

[Chitown]

How does one go about updating google earth maps. They havent updated the buildings since about 8 months ago at least. Can someone on here do that by any chance? Nothing on google earth has been updated since Trump was at this level.
Pssh. Mine doesn't have shit there. I don't know how yours has even that.

[BVictor1]

08/03/08
https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/637973.jpg

[Vexxed8282]

How does one go about updating google earth maps. They havent updated the buildings since about 8 months ago at least. Can someone on here do that by any chance? Nothing on google earth has been updated since Trump was at this level.[/QUOTE]

What version of Google Earth are you using?...Sorry to drag off topic.

[photoLith]

I dont know, the newest one, I just re-downloaded it about 1 month ago. I have seen things where they have the burj dubai on google earth and where people have things like the Waldorf Astoria on it. There must be some way to download the new models or something.

[NYC4Life]

Trump Tower is perhaps the most photographed new tower in the world right now.

[honte]

^ If that's true, you can thank probably 6 of our forumers for 90% of those. ;)

[MQTCHI]

From US Cellular Field 8/5/08

http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m199/99mattstang/DSC01239.jpg

[honte]

Something interesting that I've noticed now, as in the nice photo above, is that Trump almost always registers without doubt as the second-tallest in the city. I suspect this is due to the fact that it statistically loses real elevation thanks to the raised entrance off of the Wabash bridge (although of course AON suffers from the same).

Does anyone recall off-hand what is the difference in height between the river walk and the Wabash entrance?

[BVictor1]

Something interesting that I've noticed now, as in the nice photo above, is that Trump almost always registers without doubt as the second-tallest in the city. I suspect this is due to the fact that it statistically loses real elevation thanks to the raised entrance off of the Wabash bridge (although of course AON suffers from the same).

Does anyone recall off-hand what is the difference in height between the river walk and the Wabash entrance?

Almost 25' I believe...

Isn't the Sears Tower similar as well because there's a lower Wacker Drive?

[honte]

^ Thanks. Of course you're right that Sears has the same "issues". I don't think the offical height would have been measured from the secondary entrance on Franklin, yeah? (...although I think you could make a legitimate argument to do so.)

Well, then I guess my theory doesn't hold up, since Aon's height difference and Trump's are almost the same. In fact, I think the difference for AON is probably greater.

[Complex01]

Wow Very Impressive. I am loving those sky blue pics. The tower just looks awesome...

:tup:

[Strayone]

Trump Tower is perhaps the most photographed new tower in the world right now.

Not more then Burj I suspect. But Trump deserves the attention it is getting.

[Catmendue2]

Skyline shot from the IIT/Bronzeville Green Line L station, Sunday 8/3:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/wjcordier/5984533c.jpg

(Shot it after going to the Sullivan stencil exhibit at Crown Hall - awesome - today was the last day, though :( )

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y150/wjcordier/5976e26d.jpg

Trump clearly looks taller than a mere 50-100 feet than either Hancock and Big Stan(sorry I loved that name). Somebody better put a tape measure on sumpthin cause something aint right. Trump looks 300 ft higher than 2PRu. Before you ask, I saw all three in person. :haha:

[Chitown]

Yeah, I stitched four photos together. Here's one from June which I don't recall posting. I think it's a little better. I didn't have to deal with an internal window reflection and the lens distortion wasn't as bad on this one. I probably should consider buying a wide-angle. Right now I'm only shooting with the lens that came with my camera.
I wouldn't sweat it. Your pictures are top shelf. I just thought the effect of that particular stitch was amusing.

[bnk]

Just a quick question that has probably already been asked but does anyone have any renders, drawing, or such of the pre 9-11 [taller] version of TT?

[Apex]

Trump clearly looks taller than a mere 50-100 feet than either Hancock and Big Stan(sorry I loved that name). Somebody better put a tape measure on sumpthin cause something aint right. Trump looks 300 ft higher than 2PRu. Before you ask, I saw all three in person. :haha:

What are you trying to say, that the Trump building has been intentionally downplayed and is actually taller than its advertised height?? :haha:

[denizen467]

Just a quick question that has probably already been asked but does anyone have any renders, drawing, or such of the pre 9-11 [taller] version of TT?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y119/Chgo83/OWPPTrumpRendering.jpg

This was actually by OWP&P. Later, SOM also began working on a 2000ft version, but Donald dropped his WTB aspirations before SOM ever put out any images.

[FrancoRey]

What are you trying to say, that the Trump building has been intentionally downplayed and is actually taller than its advertised height?? :haha:

Actually that is my question: IS the roof level 1,171 feet tall? I thought Hancock was 1,127 feet tall. And if that's so then why does that pic make TT look so much bigger? :shrug:

[denizen467]

Actually that is my question: IS the roof level 1,171 feet tall? I thought Hancock was 1,127 feet tall. And if that's so then why does that pic make TT look so much bigger? :shrug:

Well the 0.5 mile difference in distance is not exactly irrelevant.

[hauchyi]

Trump tower this afternoon and evening (Aug.7.2008)

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc168/hauchyi/IMG_6963.jpg
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc168/hauchyi/IMG_7097.jpg

See Chicago BT and AT here: chicago then and now (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=155314)

[NYC4Life]

That last photo is quite stunning. Trump Tower has made its impact on the Loop skyline.

[Alliance]

That last photo is quite stunning. Trump Tower has made its impact on the Loop skyline.

Cept its not in the Loop.:cool: :haha:

[NYC4Life]

Cept its not in the Loop.:cool: :haha:

LOL... Well the Near North Neighborhood.

[Chicagoguy]

So I recently heard that some big name people bought places in Trump...was just curious if anyone knew any names specifically? I know Trump reserved the top 2 floors for his personal Penthouse...but other than that I am not aware of any other names?

[dagobert]

So I recently heard that some big name people bought places in Trump...was just curious if anyone knew any names specifically? I know Trump reserved the top 2 floors for his personal Penthouse...but other than that I am not aware of any other names?

:haha: Trump didn't reserve any space for his personal Penthhouse.:jester:

It was on the market for a long time with an asking price of approx. $25 million. There were no buyers so Trump, trying to be Trump and to put a positive spin on this failure, announced he was going to live in the penthhouse. I think at the time he was hoping that by the time the unit is ready for closing he would find a buyer for it. I can make a bet that he will dump this penthhouse the first chance he gets.

[Chicagoguy]

:haha: Trump didn't reserve any space for his personal Penthhouse.:jester:

It was on the market for a long time with an asking price of approx. $25 million. There were no buyers so Trump, trying to be Trump and to put a positive spin on this failure, announced he was going to live in the penthhouse. I think at the time he was hoping that by the time the unit is ready for closing he would find a buyer for it. I can make a bet that he will dump this penthhouse the first chance he gets.

O I must have been given some bad info then. But I am not so sure he would give it up that easy. I mean Trump is known for having a place to live in alot of places...I cant really see him staying in one of his hotel rooms whenever he comes to town to visit! Lol

The Trump name though is bound to attrack alot of upscale/famous people...at least that what I heard about a year ago?

[colemonkee]

Top notch photos, hauchyi. Thanks for sharing!

[dagobert]

... But I am not so sure he would give it up that easy. I mean Trump is known for having a place to live in alot of places...I cant really see him staying in one of his hotel rooms whenever he comes to town to visit! Lol


Trump is known for a lot of things and greed is one of them. If he was to get an offer for $25 million or whatever he now thinks is a good price for the unit, he would accept that offer in a blink of an eye, even if it meant evicting his own mother out of the penthouse if she was still alive and was living with her dear son in the windy city. :notacrook:

It is not like he lives in Chicago for a few months or weeks out the year. To him, the windy city is just another location for one of his towers.

[Catmendue2]

Well the 0.5 mile difference in distance is not exactly irrelevant.

I knew that would be the answer, but standing underneath Trump looking up causes much more back pain than standing underneath Big Stan and Big John. The thousand footer 2PRU looks like it's about 775 ft standing right next to Big Stan and we are only talking about 120 ft difference in the two buldings. Distance is relevant but, Dang, I aint exactly blind. :haha:

[MiamiSpartan]

Really like how Trump looks on the skyline now!

[America 117]

I saw it in person on the sears tower.
it was amazing!!!!

[Hot Rod]

can't wait to see it in person. When is my next business trip to the windy big city!>?

[BVictor1]

08/07/08

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/638550.jpg

[Northwest]

08/07/08

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/638550.jpg

:previous: A real beauty on this perfect Chicago summer day.

Thanks for the pics BVic and hauchyi.

[CTBill]

I can't say that I was a fan of this building during the early stages or renderings. However, as it has filled out I've really started to like it. The angle from Hauychi's photos is particularly impressive.

[jjk1103]

.....so what is actually going on at the top of TT now ? I'm expecting to see those 2 round floors being framed out ?! ..correct ?

[BVictor1]

.....so what is actually going on at the top of TT now ? I'm expecting to see those 2 round floors being framed out ?! ..correct ?

I believe that's what's being worked on...

https://community.emporis.com/images/6/2008/08/638602.jpg

For reference:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/media/graphic/2005-03/16887267.jpg

[cbotnyse]

.....so what is actually going on at the top of TT now ? I'm expecting to see those 2 round floors being framed out ?! ..correct ?The roof is next to be poured. I assume this weekend.

[honte]

^ That Trib graphic is incorrect, yeah?

[America 117]

I cant wait to see the top!
Its been a long time now!

[BVictor1]

^ That Trib graphic is incorrect, yeah?

It's kind of a massing generalization as it doesn't show the rounded mechanical penthouse. I just posted it because you can see the outline of the last setback

[NLiveris]

I shot 7 minutes of random construction footage of The Elysian and Trump Tower this morning.

Feel free to download the 400MB video, with right-click save link as:

http://www.nliveris.com/images/1080p-1.jpg (http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/video/2008/Roof8-8-08-1080p.mpg)http://www.nliveris.com/images/hd-transparent.png (http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/video/2008/Roof8-8-08-1080p.mpg) Roof8-8-08-1080p.mpg (http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/video/2008/Roof8-8-08-1080p.mpg)

http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/photography/tt1.jpg (http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/video/2008/Roof8-8-08-1080p.mpg)

http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/photography/ely1.jpg (http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/video/2008/Roof8-8-08-1080p.mpg)

http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/photography/ely2.jpg (http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/video/2008/Roof8-8-08-1080p.mpg)
Download video with right-click save link as::
http://www.nliveris.com/images/1080p-1.jpg (http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/video/2008/Roof8-8-08-1080p.mpg)http://www.nliveris.com/images/hd-transparent.png (http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/video/2008/Roof8-8-08-1080p.mpg) Roof8-8-08-1080p.mpg (http://www.djliquidj.net/nl/video/2008/Roof8-8-08-1080p.mpg)

[America 117]

That looks like park tower not the elysian.

[i_am_hydrogen]

Taken today:
http://img361.imageshack.us/img361/2060/trump88uy3.jpg

[Dr. Taco]

^amazing


I discovered this thing called "ISO", and I'm trying to work with it. It's gonna be a while before I can match Solar, Hydrogen, Cbotnyse, or CBautz quality, but this is probably better than the last full-size portrait i did. There is still gross noise at the top (sigh), but I didn't remove it

08/07/08

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y6/jstush04/Trump08-07-08.jpg

[cbotnyse]

^amazing


I discovered this thing called "ISO", and I'm trying to work with it. It's gonna be a while before I can match Solar, Hydrogen, or CBautz quality, but this is probably better than the last full-size portrait i did. There is still gross noise at the top (sigh), but I didn't remove it
hey what about me! :haha: I usually do not adjust the ISO, I always shoot in aperture priority. Depending on the time of day, try doing that.

that shot is stunning! nice work.

[i_am_hydrogen]

Looks good, jstush. Is that a vertical pano? Noise tends to congregate more so in the blue channel, which is why you'll see it in the sky like that.

[Dr. Taco]

hey what about me! :haha: I usually do not adjust the ISO, I always shoot in aperture priority. Depending on the time of day, try doing that.

that shot is stunning! nice work.

ok, i will figure out exactly what that means and how to do that, and then i will try it ;)

but thank you very much

[Dr. Taco]

Looks good, jstush. Is that a vertical pano? Noise tends to congregate more so in the blue channel, which is why you'll see it in the sky like that.

I did not know that about blue. I wonder why...

and yes, it is a vertical pano. That software basically works perfectly. It is quite amazing :)

[NYC4Life]

Simply a stunning tower. Trump has done magic to the Chicago skyline.

[nickkoto]

I know it's a little bit late in the game, but I have a couple of suggestions for design changes if The Donald happens to stumble upon this forum:

-Looking at the pictures of what it looks like now as opposed to the renders, I think they should just continue the current top floorplate to the roof rather than add another setback or those round floors. It looks pretty friggin' sweet the way it is.

-The cranes have grown on me to a point where I think they should use JHC-like twin masts instead of that spire.

[jjk1103]

...........I know this is a bit of a technical question but .......how are they going to anchor the spire ? ...in Bvic's rendering (a few posts back) ..it look "thick" enough to catch a lot of wind and it's very tall....it looks like someone just superglued it to the roof .........just curious......

[America 117]

I know it's a little bit late in the game, but I have a couple of suggestions for design changes if The Donald happens to stumble upon this forum:

-Looking at the pictures of what it looks like now as opposed to the renders, I think they should just continue the current top floorplate to the roof rather than add another setback or those round floors. It looks pretty friggin' sweet the way it is.

-The cranes have grown on me to a point where I think they should use JHC-like twin masts instead of that spire.

Here is just what i think.

1. Well chicago has two many skyscrapers with twin spires its just to much if trump does it too

2. The last setback is the best part in my book i have been waiting to see it. But we will see how it turns out

3. Sadly i dont think trump knows that this forum is even here.

But they were great ideas!:tup:

[FetchChiTown]

8/6/08

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/558/chicago003kl8.jpg

http://img354.imageshack.us/img354/7836/chicago004xk3.jpg

[Dequal]

Here is just what i think.

1. Well chicago has two many skyscrapers with twin spires its just to much if trump does it too

2. The last setback is the best part in my book i have been waiting to see it. But we will see how it turns out

3. Sadly i dont think trump knows that this forum is even here.

But they were great ideas!:tup:

Too much twin spires? Only the Sears Tower and the John Hancock Center isn't it?

http://www.tvantenna.com/support/tutorials/images/Searstower.jpg http://fybush.com/Tower%20Site/031218/hancock1986.jpg

[America 117]

^^^
its not just them its also AT&T center

And two supertall in the skyline with twin spires is more then enough.
If trump did it too it would be way too much.

[Dac150]

If trump did it too it would be way too much.

I disagree. Tiwn spires/antennas (whatever you want to call them) are one of the signature aspects of the Chicago skyline.

On this building however, I like the single spire concept better. I just happen to think it works for this particular building.

[America 117]

On this building however, I like the single spire concept better. I just happen to think it works for this particular building.

That is also what im trying to say.
And it would be too much if trump had it.
It just would not look good even if chicago is known for it. Its just over doing it.

[BVictor1]

Here is just what i think.

1. Well chicago has two many skyscrapers with twin spires its just to much if trump does it too

2. The last setback is the best part in my book i have been waiting to see it. But we will see how it turns out

3. Sadly i dont think trump knows that this forum is even here.

But they were great ideas!:tup:

Actually no building in Chicago has twin spires. JHC and Sears has anteannas.

[honte]

^ AT&T, as mentioned above, probably qualifies...

[Dequal]

Actually no building in Chicago has twin spires. JHC and Sears has anteannas.

Yeah you're right :rolleyes:

[aluminum]

Yeah you're right :rolleyes:

AT&T, for the thousandth time...

[Alliance]

AT&T, for the thousandth time...

Dude, its got 4...thats not twins...its 4.

-The cranes have grown on me to a point where I think they should use JHC-like twin masts instead of that spire.

A horrible idea. Asymmetrical buildings don't get symmetrical tops. Thats called disjunction.

[left of center]

Dude, its got 4...thats not twins...its 4.


It has two sets of twins!




man, this discussion is getting old ;)

[America 117]

Actually no building in Chicago has twin spires. JHC and Sears has anteannas.

Well you know what i meant.

[Dalton]

We are getting very near the end of construction now. Does anyone know when the spire is due to be erected?

[Alliance]

Tuesday.

[cbotnyse]

Tuesday.this cant be serious. If anyone does know that answer, please post it. I'd really like to get a shot of that.

[Tom Servo]

this cant be serious. If anyone does know that answer, please post it. I'd really like to get a shot of that.

the spire's not going to go up all as one giant thing... it'll be erected in pieces... and the final transfer section is not finished, and then there are the technical floors still above that. i'm sure bvictor or someone familiar with the construction schedule probably knows when to look for it.

but seriously, alliance... i don't understand why you're so antagonistic to everyone.

[SolarWind]

August 8, 2008

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3669/dsc0156kf1.jpg

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3518/chicagoriverdm0.jpg

[excel]

wow, i love this city.

[pherek]

Viewed from the Ridgeland Green Line stop (harryc I didn't see you there)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3146/2751254576_5e5940ee03_b.jpg


Viewed from across the river

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3286/2751259714_a673a2487c_b.jpg


Viewed from north

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3070/2750516733_7ff0b6e147_b.jpg


Question: Does Trump own this lot east of the tower that they've been using as a staging area? If so, what's the plan for it? If not, are there any proposals for it?

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[Tom In Chicago]

^It will be used as a multi-level public plaza with shops. . .

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