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nec209
Apr 1, 2007, 8:57 AM
This is very strange I was looking at Las Vegas and it does not look urban like or suburb like but a modified urban city with nothing but homes .

The city is compact and densely packed but less compact and densely packed than New York. It does not have a suburb feel but it has a city feel why is that?

They use the grid-system and every thing is compact and densely packed. But they are using strip malls not storefronts. What is strange I can't find any box stores or power centers.

Many strip malls and parking lots. But it has a city feel not a suburb feel that is what is so strange.

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http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/5308/05ur7.jpg

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7845/06fv4.jpg

I took some screen shots using Virtual Earth at http://maps.live.com/
see Las Vegas link to see more shots

http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=q0zh3d5dbbmk&style=o&lvl=1&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=5073658

Note you can zoom in and out and move around the city to see what I mean, I only took some screen shots. And some of the new areas in Las Vegas are not on the classic grid system but a modified grid system.


Also does anyone know what is uniform moderate density and uniformly urban?

LMich
Apr 1, 2007, 9:34 AM
Vegas is not unlike most cities located in deserts/semi-arid areas in that it's sprawl is tightly packed. But, I can tell you from first-hand experience, it is hardly urban. It is just as auto-oriented as any typical, modern suburban area, and that's the hallmark of a suburban area. The fact that the housing is so tight doesn't change much of anything. It's still very much a city where you would have to get in your car and drive to retail and your job like any other suburb.

nec209
Apr 3, 2007, 12:54 AM
Well it may be really auto-oriented , but it does not have a suburb feel at all .. And I should say it has a city feel this is what is so strange.

Looking at the map it is not spread out like the suburbs

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And very much on a grid system and so compact and densely packed.


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Well just looking at this picture it looks like a city not a suburb but I don't know why, it looks so city like not suburb like.

Note many strip malls

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http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/7837/07ti2.jpg

More screen shots I took from Virtual Earth ..

brickell
Apr 3, 2007, 4:09 AM
no offense, but you seem to have a litteral sense of suburb and urban. You have to really get out and travel to understand the differences.

LMich
Apr 3, 2007, 6:33 AM
He doesn't even have to do that, simply looking up the words in an urban dictionary would do. Vegas doesn't look city-like, and it's not city-like in function. Dense sprawl is still sprawl, and Vegas is as auto-centric as any suburb out there.

nec209
Apr 3, 2007, 7:08 AM
May be why I think it looks so city like is because the roads and parking lots bleed into each other and most suburbs are anti-grid and have more green-space and have more of a enclose look than open look where the roads and parking lots bleed.

And it gives you that look like the city was build on one big parking lot and than slice up into roads and parking. And they have many strip malls but not power centers or box stores.

And may be also too that strip malls are on straight road than on a cluster like many suburbs.

wrendog
Apr 10, 2007, 3:47 AM
Vegas has tons of suburban neighborhoods...

LosAngelesSportsFan
Apr 10, 2007, 11:40 PM
Vegas is definitley very suburban, outside the strip area. Big Box Stores, Cul-de-sacs, Chain stores, blah blah blah. The type of sprawl you see in Vegas is very similar to other west coast cities.

LMich
Apr 11, 2007, 1:37 AM
It's not just 'very suburban', it's nothing more than a collection of suburbs, like Phoenix.

nec209
Apr 15, 2007, 3:52 AM
Vegas is definitley very suburban, outside the strip area. Big Box Stores, Cul-de-sacs, Chain stores, blah blah blah. The type of sprawl you see in Vegas is very similar to other west coast cities.


I was not saying that Vegas is not auto-oriented it is very auto-oriented, it is just Vegas looks different than todays suburbs.And yes it does not look urban at all, it just it looks different .

Now yes may be in the new areas in Vegas are into Big Box stores,Cul-de-sacs and less density so on:shrug:

LMich
Apr 15, 2007, 4:00 AM
Actually, most of the new areas are built more densely than the more historic areas.

And, auto-centric makes it suburban in function.

nec209
Apr 18, 2007, 4:46 AM
I'm not saying it is urban at all but it is different than most suburbs, but I don't know why or why it has that city feel.

The more density may be because of high demad to do the growth and low supply.And because it is in a desert may be they say why build green and more space.

Well the city streets and parking lot gives you that look like it is bleeding into each other and city build on one big parking lot.

Now if they start building box stores and power centers it will look even more suburb like:hell:


Vegas is definitley very suburban, outside the strip area. Big Box Stores, Cul-de-sacs, Chain stores, blah blah blah. The type of sprawl you see in Vegas is very similar to other west coast cities.

Are you saying the photos I posted are in the strip area the old area? And the new areas are not into the strip at all but power centers?

LMich
Apr 18, 2007, 5:02 AM
I'm not sure you know the city well, at all. Most of it is dominated my mini-malls, shopping centers, and 'power' centers. Take Sahara Avenue, Charleston, Rancho...outward from downtown and the strip. It's nothing but one strip mall after the other. There is only one truly walkable section in the whole city, and that's downtown.

And, as for it looking different, it looks much like Phoenix or Albequerque, so I'm not sure why you're calling it different. I guess if you've never heard of the other two it would be different, but, outside the Strip, Vegas is any other sprawled city in a semi-arid region.

nec209
Apr 20, 2007, 4:37 AM
I'm not sure you know the city well, at all. Most of it is dominated my mini-malls, shopping centers, and 'power' centers. Take Sahara Avenue, Charleston, Rancho...outward from downtown and the strip.

But that is out of the down-town area? And it is not in any of the above pictures ? In the above pictures is the down-town area and they are using a store strip that a power center?


t's nothing but one strip mall after the other. There is only one truly walkable section in the whole city, and that's downtown.

But they are using strip for the plazas or mini-malls than power center at a intersection that appose the strip .


And, as for it looking different, it looks much like Phoenix or Albequerque, so I'm not sure why you're calling it different. I guess if you've never heard of the other two it would be different, but, outside the Strip, Vegas is any other sprawled city in a semi-arid region.

Well where I'm confused is the old suburb and new suburb thing.And may be old suburbs used the commercial strip after old classic store-fronts and also used malls.Well may be new suburbs are into box stores and power centers

LMich
Apr 20, 2007, 6:53 AM
Huh?

nec209
Apr 20, 2007, 10:19 PM
The old suburbs look different than new suburbs and you seem to have problem understanding this and that old suburbs don't use box stores or power centers.

The pictures I posted above run in conflict of what you are saying because they are using strip along the road.And box stores or power centers DO NOT use strip but stores in parking lot by a intersection.

I'm saying this is how it is in most Toronto suburbs.

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/8264/08bh3.jpg


Just look at the store strip along the road you will not find this in new suburbs.Look how the stores are almost at the street and the density.

fflint
Apr 20, 2007, 10:25 PM
If *that* is "density" then everything is dense and nothing is sparse.

arkhitektor
Apr 20, 2007, 10:41 PM
I don't understand where this thread is going. Are you arguing that Vegas has an urban feel? If so have you ever been there? Aside from the strip, there is nothing urban about the place.

LMich
Apr 20, 2007, 11:16 PM
That's the thing, I'm not sure what he's arguing, and this wouldn't be the first time. Regardless of whether buildings are entered from a square parking lot, or a strip of parking is irrelevant. This functions all the same: as auto-centric sprawl. I used to live in Vegas during the summers for many years. There is almost nothing urban about it. Like Phoeniz or Albequerque or any of those other cities in semi-arid regions, it's just one suburban subdivision after another, even in many of the 'older' parts.

nec209
Apr 21, 2007, 1:22 AM
Well for one it is very dense not like the suburbs in Toronto.

Just look at the homes very small lots and almost at the street not like many of the suburbs in Toronto .

Here are some pictures from live search maps ..Most of the areas are on a grid system or a modified grid system

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Live Search Maps
http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?v=2&cp=36.233335~-115.148826&style=a&lvl=17&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=5067372&encType=1

nec209
Apr 21, 2007, 1:27 AM
Here are some more pictures from live search maps.

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James Bond Agent 007
Apr 21, 2007, 2:55 AM
This is no different than what you see in Phoenix, Albuquerque and much of California. Heck, even Denver and, perhaps, Salt Lake are sort-of like this. Among other reasons, the lack of trees makes it possible to build dense (no need to save trees).

It's suburban, just dense suburban.

LMich
Apr 21, 2007, 3:17 AM
It's really not the lack of trees, though. Not so much of a reason, anyways.

In Vegas, these residential developments are built the way they are so that the developer can maximize the profit off the land by cramming as many houses as they can get on the parcels they own without having to spend the money to go up. They cram them on tightly, because the metro area doesn't have the conveience of sprawling forever (i.e. the mountains, water, etc...) say, like a Chicago, Atlanta, Houston...It's kind of similar to why Metro Los Angeles' sprawl is built so densly.

Lost Island
Apr 22, 2007, 4:34 AM
This is no different than what you see in Phoenix, Albuquerque and much of California. Heck, even Denver and, perhaps, Salt Lake are sort-of like this. Among other reasons, the lack of trees makes it possible to build dense (no need to save trees).

It's suburban, just dense suburban.

It's disgusting. If you are going to live in the suburbs, a yard and a landscape make it liveable, especially for families. I prefer living in the suburbs for specific personal reasons, though I'd prefer dense urban to this. Those "infill" suburbs in the LA basin aren't even this bad.

:D And why does it increasingly seem like you want all trees off the planet, Bond?

James Bond Agent 007
Apr 22, 2007, 9:38 AM
:D And why does it increasingly seem like you want all trees off the planet, Bond?
Because Coruscant has no trees, and I want Earth to look like Coruscant. :D

nec209
Apr 27, 2007, 5:46 PM
Ya looking at some more photos you are right they like to use a parking lot and a strip plaza than each store on its own.And many of the strip plaza are pulled back.

Well they build dense but like to use strip plaza and some times 2 or 3 strip plaza in a parking lot.

Well it is funny they like to use a grid-system or a modified grid-system in some areas and build very dense but lack mix use building or store-fronts and commercial strips.

At leat the old sections in Toronto suburbs have a commercial strips where by each store is on its own almost at the street.And doing it this way you use small parking lot, well a strip plaza needs a big parking lot for many stores.

foxmtbr
Apr 28, 2007, 7:30 AM
Because Coruscant has no trees, and I want Earth to look like Coruscant. :D

An oxygen-less Coruscant? :haha: Good luck breathing!

James Bond Agent 007
Apr 29, 2007, 12:31 AM
An oxygen-less Coruscant? :haha: Good luck breathing!
Machines! You can build skyscrapers that breathe like trees! :D

BnaBreaker
Apr 29, 2007, 7:20 AM
But it has a city feel not a suburb feel that is what is so strange.



In the words of Bill Lumberg: "Yeeeeeeeah, i'm going to have to go ahead and...disagree with you there."

Vtown420
Apr 30, 2007, 5:05 AM
So because it’s low rise it can’t be urban? Doesn’t feel like a city? :rolleyes: I think everyone in Vegas would disagree with that, especially the 550,000 people living in apartments and condos.

Our suburbs are places like Summerlin and Green Valley. They are very distinguishable from the older, more urban areas around downtown and the Strip.

There is no question most of the city is built in suburban form. It has an abundance of strip malls, is dominated by cars, and is not very walkable. But Las Vegas is not your typical suburb. Even if it is all low rise, it's packed full of condos and apartments, which gives it the feel of a city. It sure doesn’t feel like any suburb I’ve been to. Urbanity is more than just how a city is built. Vegas is way too dense and vibrant to be labeled as just a suburb.

LMich
Apr 30, 2007, 5:22 AM
Who said that it's not urban because it's low-rise? It's not urban because little of it is built on a human scale, and most everything is auto-oriented, period. It is what it is, and it's up the individual whether they'd like to judge it badly or favorably.

From my personal experience, yes, Vegas is like a typical suburb. It feels like an endless connection of auto-oriented subdivisions, one right after the other save for tiny parts around downtown. It doesn't matter how closely they squeeze the houses in, at the end of the day, it functions as a collection of large suburbs. Heck, much of the new city didn't come into existence until after 1990. Of course it's going to be built like a suburb.

I know you love Vegas, Vtown. I love it for its quirkyness, myself. But, that has no bearing on what it is, and I say that as a fan of the city's uniquness.

BnaBreaker
Apr 30, 2007, 3:40 PM
So because it’s low rise it can’t be urban? Doesn’t feel like a city? :rolleyes: I think everyone in Vegas would disagree with that, especially the 550,000 people living in apartments and condos.

Our suburbs are places like Summerlin and Green Valley. They are very distinguishable from the older, more urban areas around downtown and the Strip.

There is no question most of the city is built in suburban form. It has an abundance of strip malls, is dominated by cars, and is not very walkable. But Las Vegas is not your typical suburb. Even if it is all low rise, it's packed full of condos and apartments, which gives it the feel of a city. It sure doesn’t feel like any suburb I’ve been to. Urbanity is more than just how a city is built. Vegas is way too dense and vibrant to be labeled as just a suburb.

No, the height of buildings has absolutely nothing to do with urbanity. Urbanity, at least in my mind, is all about cohesiveness, connectivity, and how the structures relate to both the street and each other. The reason that Las Vegas does not fit that description is because of what you already pointed out.

Vtown420
May 1, 2007, 2:37 PM
Everybody is entitled to there own opinion, and I stand by mine. It’s built as a collection of dense suburbs, but I still say it has urban neighborhoods within. Obviously we have different definitions of what is urban. That’s fine. A suburb can be walkable with buildings lining the streets, but that doesn’t automatically make it urban. What does it feel like? Where are the people? I’m not talking about the new parts of town and the countless sprawl divisions, but mainly the older parts with apartments, where you can actually walk to the store and see all kinds of different people out and about. To say it doesn’t’ feel like a city is just false. It’s just too energetic. It’s not just sleepy suburb. I’ve been around enough to realize that cities come in all different shapes and sizes, and though Vegas lacks store lined streets and old buildings, it feels like a city to me.

LMich
May 2, 2007, 2:00 AM
Vtown, I lived with my dad in the inner-city during many summers before he moved out to the 'suburbs' in the Northwest. More percisely he lived on the Near Westside on MLK just across Spaghetti Bowl from downtown. Now, this is one of the more historic parts of the city, surrounded by many of the older hoods, and filled with apartments. We used to go to Baskin Park and many of the older areas of the west and northside before you hit North Las Vegas. While these places definitely have a different feel than the newer suburbs, they are still largely auto-oriented, walled-off subdivisions with all of the housing opening up on small cul-de-sacs with walls along the major streets. It's not pedestrian friendly, at all.

Sure, it feels different than your Summerlin's and Henderson's and Spring Valley's, but at the end of the day, I still would not feel comfortable calling it urban. Perhaps, it's more urban than the newer suburbs, but it's almost impossible for Vegas to be considered urban for the sole fact that not only did it come of age after the automobile, it came of age WAY after the invention of the automobile. Just doing some quick Census reasearch, I just found that 0.6% of Las Vegas' homes were constructed before 1940 as of the 2000 Census, and that 49% was constructed AFTER 1990! Vegas is what it is. It's a place I've enjoyed as a visitor and temporary summer resident, but that doesn't change anything about its physical build and function. That said, I'll say it feels much more urban than similar 'desert' cities like Phoenix and Albequerque.

BnaBreaker
May 2, 2007, 5:22 AM
Everybody is entitled to there own opinion, and I stand by mine. It’s built as a collection of dense suburbs, but I still say it has urban neighborhoods within. Obviously we have different definitions of what is urban. That’s fine. A suburb can be walkable with buildings lining the streets, but that doesn’t automatically make it urban. What does it feel like? Where are the people? I’m not talking about the new parts of town and the countless sprawl divisions, but mainly the older parts with apartments, where you can actually walk to the store and see all kinds of different people out and about. To say it doesn’t’ feel like a city is just false. It’s just too energetic. It’s not just sleepy suburb. I’ve been around enough to realize that cities come in all different shapes and sizes, and though Vegas lacks store lined streets and old buildings, it feels like a city to me.

You're certainly welcome to your point of view, but urbanity actually has a pretty specific definition and is not something that is open to one's own personal interpretation. Not everything is subjective and not every opinion is equally as valid as another.

I agree that the older parts of Las Vegas are more dense and are busier than the newer suburbs, but that isn't what makes a place urban. Those are two common components of an urban neighborhood, but those are secondary characteristics. Las Vegas lacks the primary characteristics of classic urbanity, and thus, isn't a traditionally urban city. It may be dense and bustling in parts, but that could be compared to having pepperoni and cheese without the crust. Las Vegas lacks a 'solid crust,' and cannot be considered a complete 'pizza'.

This is my point of view on it, and please, don't take this personally or as a "knock" on Las Vegas. This is merely a discussion of urbanity.

LMich
May 2, 2007, 5:30 AM
Actually, to be real, a lot of suburban Summerlin (Far Westside) is actually built significantly denser than many parts of the inner city. Many would be surprised to hear that even in a booming city like Vegas, most of the development not concentrated on and around the Strip is centered in the suburbs, and that the inner city is being ignored. I can tell you from first hand account that the area I mentioned earlier where my dad lives has not seen any redevelopment, and I doubt it will anytime in the foreseeable future. There are literally huge swaths of empty land along Rancho going to the northwest, and a huge empty field on MLK, something you'd be hard pressed to find on the city's Far Westside, anymore. It's really strange in that the city is awfully spotting in places you'd expect would have been filled in. Lots of what you call "leap-frog" development.

BnaBreaker
May 2, 2007, 6:40 AM
Actually, to be real, a lot of suburban Summerlin (Far Westside) is actually built significantly denser than many parts of the inner city. Many would be surprised to hear that even in a booming city like Vegas, most of the development not concentrated on and around the Strip is centered in the suburbs, and that the inner city is being ignored. I can tell you from first hand account that the area I mentioned earlier where my dad lives has not seen any redevelopment, and I doubt it will anytime in the foreseeable future. There are literally huge swaths of empty land along Rancho going to the northwest, and a huge empty field on MLK, something you'd be hard pressed to find on the city's Far Westside, anymore. It's really strange in that the city is awfully spotting in places you'd expect would have been filled in. Lots of what you call "leap-frog" development.

Wow, that is pretty surprising! I've only been in and around the Strip so I wasn't sure what Vegas suburbia looked liked from ground level. I guess that takes away the "pepperoni" too lol.

Vtown420
May 2, 2007, 9:48 PM
LMich I know you understand Vegas, and I agree with most everything you say. I understand that Vegas is not urban in the traditional sense. I just get sick of hearing tourists who have never been off the Strip say it’s not a real city. And yes, the westside around MLK definitely feels more urban than the northwest or Summerlin. Btw, you might be surprised next time you come to LV. The westside is still ghetto as hell, but at least they are trying to do something with it, unlike the eastside which is falling apart. Projects have been torn down, and there’s new development along MLK, including a new middle and high school.

The only point I was trying to make is that Vegas does feel like a city, regardless of how it’s built. It’s much different than the east coast or Midwest, where you have to travel from the burbs to the city. Here, the suburbs are the city. Some burbs feel like part of the city and some don’t. Like Compton and Beverly Hills, they can be as different as night and day.

GeorgeLV
May 2, 2007, 11:14 PM
For the convenience of outside observers, "Westside" Las Vegas is a collection of historically black neighborhoods geographically in the north-central part of the valley. "Eastside" Las Vegas is more geographically accurate, and refers to the older housing stock in eastern end of the Valley which is now largely a latino area.

LMich
May 3, 2007, 12:21 AM
It’s much different than the east coast or Midwest, where you have to travel from the burbs to the city. Here, the suburbs are the city. Some burbs feel like part of the city and some don’t.

Well, then I'm not sure what we disagree on. That said it all. The suburbs are the city. Of course, because of the time each were built, the Near East and Westsides are going to feel different than your Summerlins, Spring Valleys, Centennial Hills, Hollywood, The Lakes, Spanish Trails...etc, but that doesn't mean that these older areas urban. It simply makes the inner-city areas more traditionally suburban. To tell you the truth, I like what many often refer to as Vegas' 'ghetto' hoods (I hate that word, BTW, because many of them are solidly middle class). I like the areas around mature palm-tree lined streets at the foot of Rancho in the area also bounded by Charleston, Valley View and Sahara. I even like the areas south of the Central Business District south of Charleston, and we used to do a lot of shopping at the 'ghetto' Meadows Mall, which is a decent mall.

What I will level with you on, though, is that most have no idea that Vegas exists beyond the Strip in Downtown, or even that the Strip isn't even in Vegas, and how little many of the locals even interact with these areas.

BTW, since this thread was never much about anything, anyway, I was wondering if any of you Vegans know the widening of 95 is going on through the Westside?

hudkina
May 3, 2007, 5:45 PM
There is no question most of the city is built in suburban form. It has an abundance of strip malls, is dominated by cars, and is not very walkable. But Las Vegas is not your typical suburb. Even if it is all low rise, it's packed full of condos and apartments, which gives it the feel of a city. It sure doesn’t feel like any suburb I’ve been to. Urbanity is more than just how a city is built. Vegas is way too dense and vibrant to be labeled as just a suburb.

I suggest taking a look at suburbs in Midwestern and Northeast cities. They have tons of condos and apartments crammed into small areas as well.

Vtown420
May 3, 2007, 8:52 PM
I know that, so does every western city. I have visited family in Ohio, Kansas, New York, Pennsylvania, Texas, spent summers in New Jersey and traveled throughout the northeast. None of those burbs feel like the inner city of Las Vegas.

BTW, since this thread was never much about anything, anyway, I was wondering if any of you Vegans know the widening of 95 is going on through the Westside?

Sure, I drive “the death trap” all the time. It seems like it’s been under construction for the majority of my life. It’s got to be the most dangerous freeway I’ve ever seen. My mom has to keep her eyes closed while we're on it. What did you want to know about it?

LMich
May 3, 2007, 11:47 PM
I was just wondering if there were any aerials showing if any of the widening is complete?

lvnewb
Apr 4, 2008, 11:14 PM
Although I don't drive it very often, I believe the 95 widening is pretty much done from the spaghetti bowl west to Rainbow. I don't know what they've got planned next, north on I-15 maybe?

I've lived in a few different cities in the US, mostly in the suburbs. Tucson, Seattle, Des Moines, Baltimore and have been to others. One thing I noticed right away was that this is definitely much more of a suburban town. I live out west (Spring Valley), and the main streets are at either 1-mile or half-mile spacing, both north-south and east-west. Almost every major intersection has a grocery store or pharmacy on it, often smaller stored around it. Housing developments are put up by the individual developers, and as stated earlier, lots are crammed in to maximize the profit. There is also the problem of water usage. The city has grown so fast and is still growing, grass yards are frowned upon now, especially in the newer developments. Why have a large yard if you can't water it? The Water company is even offering cash back on people that take out grass and replace it with rock, and I got a nice discount on my pool cover to help control evaporation.

The developers are trying (in some places anyway) to make each subdivision seem more like a little neighborhood, but that usually just involves public space like parks or walk paths, no shops. I've gotten so used to it that I think of a store that's only 3-4 miles away as close, where in Seattle, I sometimes thought the grocery store that was 3 blocks north of my house as a long way off.

When ever I'm asked what it's like living here I always describe it as living in a large suburb. Everyone can see the downtown area, but a large percentage only go there when they have to, and stay in the 'burbs.

I've been here 2.5 years now, about as long as I lived in Tucson, and I'm getting tired of it. Unfortunately I bought a house, and until the housing market turns around and prices start going back up, I can't really afford to move out of here. So while I'm here, I'll enjoy watching the new hotels, condos, casinos, etc. go up, and keep to the 'burbs most of the time.

JackStraw
Apr 15, 2008, 12:33 PM
It looks like what the moon will look like in 500 years from now and we are developing it. We are going to put these blocky pods all next to each other for individuals to live in. The only way to get out is by your moon rover as their is no atmosphere there and there will be no point in walking or going outside at all.

twinpeaks
Apr 17, 2008, 8:53 PM
It definitely looks like a suburb... especially from the pictures. I don't know what all the argument is about.

youngregina
Apr 27, 2008, 7:37 PM
You guys do know this thread had sat idle for almost a year?

Echo Park
May 1, 2008, 2:54 PM
I have no idea what you're talking about.

These look very suburban to me and anyone else would say the same. LV has plenty of big box stores with huge parking lots also.

If you had said the same things about Los Angeles you might have a point but LV is very suburban.