[CanadianCentaur]

...or is it just more of you dreaming up there?

I very highly doubt that Edmonchuck and Tuffyy are trying to pull stuff out of their asses.

Something tells me to just trust these guys.

[Bigtime]

I very highly doubt that Edmonchuck and Tuffyy are trying to pull stuff out of their asses.

Something tells me to just trust these guys.

Yeah they know their stuff, I was just joking around a little with you YEG'ers.

[dansk]

I am to a point (joking that is). However if we were to listen to these statements over the last 36 mths YEG would now have China starting this summer, LH this summer, BA last summer and AC to FRA this summer.

I do make broad statements as well, but Yegger's seem to go over board a little more than the rest in terms of passenger rumours...when they should be focusing on cargo rumours now.

[Edmonchuck]

??

All I want to know is where you're announcement you said is coming is? You stated a few months ago that I would be jealous by now...


I will apply the hint with a sledgehammer then....

IT WILL BE ANNOUNCED WHEN IT IS DAMN GOOD AND READY. This will not be a false start project and Reg and company should be commended for taking the risks they have in securing what they have so far, and for what is coming down the pipe. Once the T's and C's are done, you can bet it will be announced.

[Edmonchuck]

I am to a point (joking that is). However if we were to listen to these statements over the last 36 mths YEG would now have China starting this summer, LH this summer, BA last summer and AC to FRA this summer.



No one said these were going to happen. FRA on LH was an expectation, but never a committment. I know many people who lobbied this (including myself) and there was good reason to expect that this would happen.

BA was a shot. No OneWorld, no BA.

Hence why now the lips are more sealed than ever.

[Jasper and one o nin]

To change gears. Regarding expansion. Some things that I see need to be done are:
Much larger ground side area. Baggage claim area is pathetic. Not only is there not enough floor space. The spacing of the (i dont know how to spell carrosels) are way to close and the ceiling height is way too low;
Larger area for check ins;
better observation area (they didnt exactly plan the one they have now very well - considering you cant see anything. I much prefered the old one in the original building);
moving sidewalks baby;
shoe shine(not really exp related, but...);
us holdroom exec lounge;
central food area;
less mimes.

[Edmonchuck]

amen on the mimes and the rather obstructed "viewing area". Sure, you can see the passengers, but that is not why many are there.

[IKAN104]

I like the viewing area to see the passengers and wouldn't want it changed. However, it certainly can't be confused with an airplane viewing area. If we ever get one of those it should be in addition to, not instead of the passenger viewing area.

[Rocket252]

I remember viewing planes from the old observation area and seeing an Air Canada 747 doing the red eye one time. It was not lined up with a gate like normal but parallel to the terminal. Odd position but afforded a great view.

This was some years ago.

[Edmonchuck]

That would be a while ago...

[McLovin]

Hi all,

Just wanted to share my little bit of personal info regarding the Edmonton airport. Over march break we had friends fly in from Toronto, I managed to park at the metered parking at the arrivals level just steps from the terminal door. When they came out they were shocked that we could park so close to the airport, apparently you cannot do that in Toronto at YYZ due to security and traffic reasons. I love this form of parking, and I know it will soon disappear as the airport becomes busier and expands, but wow, definitely a bonus for using YEG.

As for the special announcement that TUFFY and Echuck were hinting at....I know it's coming, I can feel that its coming, so hang in there fellas.:yes:

[feepa]

As for the special announcement that TUFFY and Echuck were hinting at....I know it's coming, I can feel that its coming, so hang in there fellas.:yes:

Are you sure that's not just constipation? :jester:

[Jasper and one o nin]

nyuk nyuk nyuk..!

[McLovin]

LOLOL!!!

Once I pressed the submit button on that last post, I knew some knucklehead would take a shot at it.

Constipation.....hehe

:haha:

[tuffyy]

Mexicana will be making a few early visits this month as they conduct a few ''fam'' flights for staff and families of staff for the airline.

The carrier is also doing the same in YYC with the next ''fam'' planned for April 2/08.

[EdmTrekker]

Nothing in the article below indicates Leduc City and Leduc County has or intend to consult Edmonton on planning of YEG and the area between YEG to Edmonton. Pretty dumb.

Planning initiative brings 2060 into view http://http://www.leducrep.com/News/389993.html
Bill Glen
news@leducrep.com
Friday April 04, 2008
The framework has now been laid to guide growth with the City of Leduc and Leduc County area for the next 50 years.
About 75 people attended an open house March 27 in Nisku to gather information regarding the inter-municipal collaboration with its sights set on a sustainable future.
The growth study area expands well beyond the city, Nisku Business Park and the Edmonton International Airport. The plan reaches north to the City of Edmonton, east to 50th Street (SH 814), south to Glen Park Road and west to Hwy. 60.
A draft copy is anticipated for public and council review by this summer.
It is a precursor to a more detailed inter-municipal development plan (IDP), which will focus on areas that should be subject to more detailed planning.
Don Schultz, a consultant hired by the municipalities, told the gathering that at this point, the plan is all about options.
“Tonight is the kick off and launch of this project,” Schultz said.

Mayor Greg Krischke and Reeve Marvin Molzan will act as co-chairs of a steering committee to oversee development of the plan which is supported by a team of municipal employees and consultants.
They prepared a statement for the meeting, which was read by Schultz.
“With the unprecedented growth our region is experiencing, it is imperative that we be proactive and work together to ensure a prosperous and sustainable future for both Leduc County and the City of Leduc. Both municipalities are very excited to see the initial stages of the joint inter-municipal development plan come to fruition.
“The growth study is the first step in this exciting regional initiative. It allows us to make land use planning decisions in a manner that reflects the mutual and individual interests of both municipalities. This plan will not only enhance current relations, but also build new positive and mutually beneficial relationships between the county and the city.
“We are excited to be working together in support of the vision of this plan which is to recognize and embrace that as municipalities in the Leduc sub-region, we are creating our own destiny within Alberta’s Capital Region through cooperation, innovation and maximizing opportunity.
“This growth plan presented today provides building blocks for future growth in the Leduc region.”
Schultz called the project “exciting.”
“The degree of inter-municipal collaboration already at the beginning of this process quite remarkable.”
The steering committee and consultants will meet monthly as they work through the growth study process, and then the IDP. He said it is important to keep in mind they are two separate processes.
“The steering committee has established a set of guiding principles and on a preliminary basis, the joint growth study area. It has chosen to cast a rather wide net in terms of land potentially to be effected by growth 50 years into the future. Undoubtedly, it is larger than what the ultimate IDP will be in order to look different growth opportunities and growth constraints that affect development in the future. It’s to consider options to set themselves up to negotiate this joint plan.”
The growth study will look at population forecasts, existing land inventories and infrastructure considerations -- including future high-speed passenger rail. Technical stakeholders such as provincial ministries and the Edmonton International Airport will be contacted for their input.

[tuffyy]

United airlines (skywest) CRJ-700 off the runway at YEG right now.

Details to follow.
Very slick runways this morning...

[Coldrsx]

^wow!

my s2k went off 109st this morning

[rapid_business]

/\ damage? It's sunny and warm here +12. Cleaned the car in jeans and a tshirt an hour ago. 99% of all snow and water is gone now.

[SHOFEAR]

^wow!

my s2k went off 109st this morning

....and??

[Coldrsx]

i was ~ a 70 to the roadway going towards parked cars but pulled her back then slid on ice about 1' from the curb.

fun fun

thank god im the best driver in the world.

[tuffyy]

Some damage to the nose gear and main gear, everyone (67 pax) all fine mind you a little spooked.Down to one runway as they clean up and investigate a little.Runways were both slushy this morning and crews could not keep up with them at times.

[rapid_business]

/\ glad everyone is safe. That's crazy though.

i was ~ a 70 to the roadway going towards parked cars but pulled her back then slid on ice about 1' from the curb.

fun fun

thank god im the best driver in the world.

You need to take me out for a ride when I get back in town. :tup:

[Coldrsx]

^okey dokey

[Coldrsx]

Flights set for Bonnyville
The Edmonton Journal
Published: 3:31 am
EDMONTON - Edmonton-based InfinitAir will launch scheduled flights between the international airport and Bonnyville at the end of the month, but it still hopes to persuade Edmonton Airports to allow it into city centre.

Earlier in the year the authority rejected its application to fly into City Centre, citing a policy introduced in 2004 capping scheduled service there.

Currently, service is only allowed from Grande Prairie, High Level, Peace River and Fort McMurray.


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Font:****"We will start out at the international, but we believe the city centre policy should be reviewed," said Eugene Strilchuk, the airline's flight co-ordinator. "The Bonnyville market is mainly business and government people coming for meetings downtown. If they have to take a cab from the international airport they may as well drive from Bonnyville."

InfinitAir started flying between Bonnyville and Calgary on Monday.




© The Edmonton Journal 2008 - april 8

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/business/story.html?id=33a8bcc4-c86e-4aa2-91e2-c3d8931f4ec5

[LO 044]

"If they have to take a cab from the international airport they may as well drive from Bonnyville."
So why don't they drive then Eugene? Or why are you even starting this air service anyways if you're so confident that people will drive instead of using your air service to YEG. Boy, this guy should be in marketing. What an idiot. If he thinks Edmonton Airports will change their position, he's dreaming.

By the way, mapquest shows the driving time from Edmonton to Bonneyville at 2 hours and 48 minutes. I imagine the flight takes 30 minutes plus a 30 minute cab ride to downtown. So there's about an hour and a half difference there or 3 hours return. I'm sure the oil tycoons and politicians will gladly give up 3 hours in their day for a drive to Bonneyville along scenic Highway 28.

[Coldrsx]

^not to mention any weather issues or the like. Plus...they use YYC which is only 10mins or so closer to the downtown.

[newfangled]

"The Bonnyville market is mainly business and government people coming for meetings downtown. If they have to take a cab from the international airport they may as well drive from Bonnyville."

Then your business plan makes no sense. Congratulations for publicly announcing that in a major newspaper. :tup:

[240glt]

Who knew Bonnyville had some many business & government movers & shakers

[Kevin_foster]

^ bonnyville is a very busy place.... so is cold lake..

[tuffyy]

*Maplefalg 2008* prepares to touchdown at YEG.
This year will see a flood of interesting aircraft passing through YEG for the military exercise held at CFB Coldlake.Due to parking restraints at Coldlake many aircraft will be based at YEG for the exercise that has been cut by 2 weeks.Among the highlights for YEG this year will be;

-Royal Netherlands KC-10
-Singapore airforce KC-135,C-130's,F-16's
-USAF C-17's,C-130's,KC-135's.
-French KC-135's,A310-300,Mirage 2000's
And a few more...

Many aircraft will also be based at Coldlake for the duration of the exercise that begins May 5 and runs through May 30th.

[feepa]

We should just rename the international to the "Edmonton Municipal / International commercial service goes here Airport Extraordinary",

remediate Blatchford field, remove all evidence of an airport from there, and watch, all arguments will die.

[tuffyy]

AeroSvit of the ukraine will operate 3 flights this summer over the Kiev-Edmonton route this year as charters.The first flight will operate on July 10th using a leased EuroAtlantic 767-300.

These are possibly a ''test'' by the airline to ''expiriment'' with new potential markets.

Ukrainian tour operators are offering the service.

[McLovin]

@ Cold:
Is it really only a 10 minute difference from the airport to downtown when comparing YYC to YEG? I had no idea. If it is true then what is the airline guy complaining about???:koko:

@Tuffy:
Are the planes that you listed available for the public to view from an observation area?
Thanks.

[cdnklc]

@ Cold:
Is it really only a 10 minute difference from the airport to downtown when comparing YYC to YEG? I had no idea. If it is true then what is the airline guy complaining about???:koko:

@Tuffy:
Are the planes that you listed available for the public to view from an observation area?
Thanks.
just got back from toronto - airport to hotel $60.00 plus tip flat rate, hotel to airport $55.00 plus tip metered rate, both trips in the middle of the day. both trips took longer than downtown edmonton to yeg.

[newfangled]

just got back from toronto - airport to hotel $60.00 plus tip flat rate, hotel to airport $55.00 plus tip metered rate, both trips in the middle of the day. both trips took longer than downtown edmonton to yeg.

In Van though the airport>downtown cab fare is $28~33, and unless you try it right at rushhour it usually takes under half an hour. And their cabbies have to work way harder for that $33 than ours do for their $55. (not that I think the "YEG is too far" argument has any importance - just pointing out the counter-example to TO)

[Jasper and one o nin]

AeroSvit... That could be good.

[dansk]

Edmonton's airport just feels a little to far out considering you drive through hickville to get there. There are no lights in the morning/evening and poor signage so you don't really know if you are going to far...if you aren't from edmonton.

[240glt]

I didn't know you needed to drive through Calgary to get to EIA !

The signage is not that bad. Lighting from the city would be nice but won't be done unless its' a safety issue. EIA's got room to grow and doesn't disrupt the neighbors like YYC does, and takes a whopping 10 more minutes to get to in rush hour. BFD.

[dansk]

Wow, that was a mature response.

[240glt]

In response to yours... you should'a kept a lid on the "hickville" remark

Is anything else I wrote incorrect ?

[TimB09]

AeroSvit of the ukraine will operate 3 flights this summer over the Kiev-Edmonton route this year as charters.The first flight will operate on July 10th using a leased EuroAtlantic 767-300.

These are possibly a ''test'' by the airline to ''expiriment'' with new potential markets.

Ukrainian tour operators are offering the service.

I hope they serve borscht and pyrohy(perogies for your English speaking people) on the flights.:D

[dansk]

In response to yours... you should'a kept a lid on the "hickville" remark

Is anything else I wrote incorrect ?

The hickville comment was not about Edmonton, but the drive to the airport where you are in the middle of no where. YEG reminds me of some small airport that services a larger Canadian centre. The city and province should do more to make this airport connected to the city. Bus service is not the answer.

I know Calgary is researching railines to Okotoks and Airdrie, is this an option for YEG?

[240glt]

^ 9 km's from the limits of a city with 1,000,000 people is the middle of nowhere ?

YEG is the fastest growing airport in Canada, And port Alberta is going to bring a lot of activity to the site. EIA could be a couple of K's closer to the city, but what's the point ? THe drive from the Ellerslie overpass to the Airport is literally ten minutes. I think it's better to have a bit of a buffer between the airport and residential neighborhoods.

There is talk of using the rail line from the city ot EIA once the CN (?) line is decommissioned. But as with Calgary's rail plans, this is a long ways off.

[Coldrsx]

AeroSvit of the ukraine will operate 3 flights this summer over the Kiev-Edmonton route this year as charters.The first flight will operate on July 10th using a leased EuroAtlantic 767-300.

These are possibly a ''test'' by the airline to ''expiriment'' with new potential markets.

Ukrainian tour operators are offering the service.

great to hear!:tup:

[Coldrsx]

Yes...~10 minutes longer from downtown to YEG as opposed to downtown to YYC. However YYC feels far closer.

YEG is doign just fine and those that think it is a "small" airport anymore are out to lunch. Canada has small airports in general outside of MTL, TOR, VAN.

[tuffyy]

Yes the Aerosvit charters are welcome, only 3 flights this year but who knows about next?

You want a airport to complain about travel times to and from lets look at my hometown airport YYZ.I hated the commute 5 days a week taking on a good day a hour and a half but most of the time darn near 2 hours.:hell:

YEG is not that far from Edmonton, I know because I lived in a city were the airport was far...:koko:

[dansk]

There are lots of airports far out. YEG isn't that bad except for the feeling you are driving to Red Deer to catch a flight.

It is a good location, especailly for a manufactoring / shipping point. YEG will be Western Canada cargo airport soon I believe.

[big W]

To those who think YEG is so far away from Edmonton, might I suggest you travel a little more. Here are airports that I have visited in my travels that were far from the city centre.

Asia
1. Tokyo - There is over an hour train ride to the city centre (no stops).
2. Kuala Lumpur - Once again a long train ride (no stops)
3. Bangkok - I believe it over an hour by highway.
4. Osaka - Again it was an hour train ride.
5. Singapore - Long Train Ride

Europe
1. Munich - This one is a distant train ride as well
2. Paris - Charles De Gaulle Airport is quite a ways from Central Paris.
3. London - Heathrow is again a ways from the centre.
4. Copenhagen - Same thing

United States
1. Denver - This airport is litterly in the middle of nowhere.
2. Seattle - Again its a fair drive from Seatac to downtown.
3. Miami - Same thing.

Canada
1. Halifax - Its more than double the distance from the centre.
2. Toronto - Yes, Pearson is just as far from downtown as YEG is.
3. Montreal - Same thing with Trudeau airport.

Now some of you will argue there is nothing between Edmonton and the airport vs say in Toronto but that does not change the fact that the airport itself is just as far from downtown. Other ones I have listed have less on the way than Edmonton does. Difference is in Europe and Asia for example there is a train that takes you into the city and the highways are lit all the way. Other than that the distance is just as far in all these places or even further.

[dansk]

Just let it be heared that I said "feel" not that is literally to far out. This is an age old arguement up there that is stupid. I was not meaning to stir that point. I was meaning to state that there are things that should be done to make the Airport feel like it is part of the city of Edmonton.

[240glt]

Just let it be heared that I said "feel" not that is literally to far out. This is an age old arguement up there that is stupid. I was not meaning to stir that point. I was meaning to state that there are things that should be done to make the Airport feel like it is part of the city of Edmonton.

Seems like this "age old argument" is mostly perpetuated by people who don't live here.

I don't know how you're going to make the airport "feel" closer to the city. QE2 is the provinces' responsibility & I can't seem them lighting the freeway into Edmonton... What do you suggest ?

[dansk]

Hmmm.... Actually it is made by persons from Edmonton. And those that use the facilities a lot.

[Jasper and one o nin]

Edmonton International Airport
Passenger Statistics for March 2008

Highlights

Overall 546,901 passengers (March) and 1,557,416 (YTD)
Domestic 410,641 passengers (March) and 1,168,581 (YTD)
Transborder 91,687 (March) and 232,419 (YTD)
International 54,573 (March) and 156,416 (YTD)
Rolling 12 Month 6,189,069

Growth%

Overall 8.2% (March) and 8.6% (YTD)
Domestic 3.6% (March) and 5.2% (YTD)
Transborder 11.8% (March) and 10.6% (YTD)
International 51.3% (March) and 39.5% (YTD)

[240glt]

Hmmm.... Actually it is made by persons from Edmonton. And those that use the facilities a lot.

The only locals I hear complaining are the ones who want to see the CC stay open.

Passenger Statistics for March 2008

Good numbers so far. The international growth is notable. Should keep us with the title of "fastest growing Airport" for at least another year

[EdmTrekker]

http://www.avionews.com/index.php?corpo=see_news_home.php&news_id=1088224&pagina_chiamante=index.php

Airlines
05:14 pm - Wednesday
Mexicana to join oneworld alliance
Los Angeles, Usa - Its fleet is composed of 62 aircraft
(WAPA) - "Mexicana is to join oneworld®. Mexico and Central America’s leading airline today accepted a formal invitation to become part of the world’s leading quality airline alliance after being unanimously elected on board by the grouping’s existing ten member airlines, which include some of the biggest and best names in the industry.

Its subsidiary Click Mexicana will join at the same time, as an affiliate member of oneworld.

Their joining process is expected to take 12 to 18 months to complete, with Iberia supporting Mexicana through these tasks, as its prime oneworld sponsor, assisted by American Airlines.

So Mexicana and Click Mexicana will be flying as part of oneworld in 2009, when they will start offering the alliance’s full range of services and benefits to their own customers and those from their new oneworld partners.

For Mexicana, joining oneworld will strengthen its competitive offering and its financial position. For oneworld, adding Mexicana will expand the alliance’s network in Mexico and Central America, and enable it to build further on its positions as the leading airline grouping serving Latin America and the leading Spanish-speaking alliance.

oneworld is already the only global alliance with any airline members based in South America - through LAN Airlines and its sisters LAN Argentina, LAN Ecuador and LAN Peru. American Airlines is the leading airline serving the region internationally, and Iberia is the leading carrier between Latin America and Europe.

Mexicana’s addition to oneworld comes after a year which has seen the alliance complete its biggest yet expansion drive, with 11 airlines joining in 2007 - Japan Airlines, Malév Hungarian Airlines and Royal Jordanian as full members and, as affiliates, LAN Argentina, LAN Ecuador, Dragonair and four other carriers in the Japan Airlines group.

Mexicana’s invitation to join oneworld was sealed at a ceremony today attended by its Chief Executive Officer Manuel Borja with his counterparts from all ten of oneworld’s established member airlines and oneworld Managing Partner John McCulloch during a meeting of the group’s Governing Board in key alliance hub Los Angeles.

Mexicana is the biggest non-US airline operating at Los Angeles, which is its biggest hub outside Mexico.

Mexicana with the Click Mexicana network will add 26 destinations to the oneworld map - 24 in Mexico plus Bakersfield (California, USA) and Edmonton (Canada).
With the alliance’s existing members serving 11 points in Mexico, its addition will expand to 35 points the alliance’s network in Mexico, which is the world’s 11th most populous country, the 12th biggest economy and the seventh most popular tourist destination, attracting more than 20 million foreign visitors a year.

oneworld’s existing members already serve almost 110 airports throughout Latin America. Mexicana’s addition will extend that to more than 130.

Globally, its addition will expand the alliance’s network to approaching 700 destinations in nearly 150 countries, with a combined fleet of 2,350 aircraft operating almost 9,500 flights a day, carrying 333 million passengers, with annual revenues of USD 100 billion.

In the months ahead, Mexicana will adapt key internal process to conform with oneworld requirements, link its IT systems to those of its oneworld partners and carry out an extensive employee training and communications programmes, to ensure that their staff worldwide are ready to provide oneworld’s customer services and benefits from day one.

Once all its pre-joining requirements are sufficiently progressed, an exact date in 2009 will be confirmed for it to join.

Besides Mexicana Chief Executive Officer Manuel Borja, Iberia Chairman and Chief Executive Fernando Conte and oneworld Managing Partner John McCulloch, scheduled to attend today’s ceremony were:
• Qantas Chief Executive Officer Geoff Dixon (current chairman of oneworld’s Governing Board)
• American Airlines Chairman and Chief Executive Gerard Arpey
• British Airways Chief Executive Willie Walsh
• Cathay Pacific Airways Chief Executive Tony Tyler
• Finnair Chief Executive Jukka Hienonen
• Japan Airlines Group Chief Executive Haruka Nishimatsu
• LAN Group Chief Executive Enrique Cueto
• Malév Chief Executive Peter Leonov
• Royal Jordanian Chief Executive and Deputy Chairman Samer Majali.

Mexicana is the carrier in Mexico and Central America.

With Click Mexicana, it serves 63 destinations in 11 countries. Mexicana itself flies to 46 destinations in 11 countries, including 18 destinations in Mexico. Click Mexicana’s network encompasses 23 destinations in Mexico, plus Havana (Cuba). The two airlines both serve six destinations in Mexico, giving them a joint domestic network covering 34 airports.

Mexicana operates a fleet of 62 aircraft - 30 Airbus A-320s, 20 A-319s and ten A-318s, and two Boeing 767s - making 300 departures a day. Mexicana offers two classes - Executive and Economy - with in-flight entertainment screens throughout the fleet and complimentary in-flight meals and drinks in both cabins. It has the two-letter airline code MX.

Click Mexicana operates 18 Fokker 100s, making 115 departures a day. Its single cabin offers a 'Coach plus' style of service, with leather-covered seats at a 35 ins (89 cm) pitch. It offers complimentary in-flight drinks and snacks. Click Mexicana has its own flight code (QA) but all its flights also carry Mexicana’s MX code under a code-sharing agreement.

Mexicana boarded 9 million passengers in 2007, with Click Mexicana carrying another 2.2 million. Between them, they employ 6,725 staff.

Mexico City is the airlines’ main hub, with Cancun and Gaudalajara secondary hubs.

Mexicana has signed a contract to move its main IT platforms to Amadeus Altea - alongside oneworld partners British Airways, Finnair, Iberia, LAN, Malév Hungarian Airlines and Qantas, with Cathay Pacific also committed to transfer to this provider soon.

Its two most important bilateral alliance relationships are with oneworld’s American Airlines and Iberia, including code-sharing, frequent flyer links and through check-in. It also has established bilateral relationships with four of the alliance’s other existing partners - Cathay Pacific (frequent flyer), Japan Airlines (frequent flyer, code-sharing and through check-in), LAN (frequent flyer and through check-in) and Qantas (code-sharing, frequent flyer and through check-in).

Among its most recent awards, it was named World Travel Awards’ Best Airline Mexico and Central America for the tenth year running, Best Business Class Latin America for the third year running and Best Internet Site in Latin America (all in 2007), and Best Airline in Mexico for two years running by Global Traveler magazine.

Mexicana is one of the world’s most experience airlines, opening service in July 1921.

It was privatised in December 2005, and is now owned by a consortium of Mexican private investors". (Avionews)

[Coldrsx]

great numbers....go yeg go

[tuffyy]

A oneworld carrier at YEG finally, this could have some spinoff's.

Edmonton Also becomes a new Oneworld city.:tup:

[rapid_business]

So with Mexicana going to One World.... and Mexicana coming to YEG... does that equal more possibilities for other One World partners hooking up with YEG as well? I'm not sure how that all works!?

EDIT: Tuffyy seems to have answered my question already....

[EdmTrekker]

A oneworld carrier at YEG finally, this could have some spinoff's. Edmonton Also becomes a new Oneworld city.:tup:

Exactly my point in posting...birds of same feathers attract each other...shared services et al.

[CMD UW]

A oneworld carrier at YEG finally, this could have some spinoff's.

Edmonton Also becomes a new Oneworld city.:tup:
This is good and perhaps it could lead to more?

[LO 044]

AeroSvit of the ukraine will operate 3 flights this summer over the Kiev-Edmonton route this year as charters.The first flight will operate on July 10th using a leased EuroAtlantic 767-300.

These are possibly a ''test'' by the airline to ''expiriment'' with new potential markets.

Ukrainian tour operators are offering the service.
Was this a result of the Mandel (along with EEDC and Edmonton Airports) trade mission to Poland, Ukraine and the Czech Republic? Or were these flights in negotiation beforehand. Any word on what (if anything) Edmonton Airports accomplished on this trip? I'm curious if LOT gave any hints on whether they're interested in restarting YEG-WAW service anytime soon.

[Jasper and one o nin]

Starbucks lovers rejoice – first of two new outlets opens at EIA

EDMONTON – Starbucks lovers can now enjoy their favourite specialty beverages at Edmonton International Airport (EIA) with the opening of the first of two new Starbucks.

The new Starbucks in the Domestic Passenger Lounge is now open, featuring Starbucks’ famous menu, including specialty coffees, sandwiches, pastries, packaged coffee and a selection of merchandise.

The second EIA Starbucks will open soon in the U.S. Passenger Lounge, offering the same menu as the first location.

“Starbucks has been one of the most requested food and beverage brands by our customers and we are pleased to add the popular Seattle-based brand to our retail mix,” says Peter McCart, Edmonton Airports Vice-President, Marketing and Business Development.

The Starbucks opening is part of series of new and expanded food and beverage options coming on line at EIA in the coming months in response to double-digit passenger growth in the past three years.

Along with the new Starbucks, Montana’s Front Porch has been expanded and reopened last week. The project involved expanding the kitchen facility and adding 28 additional seats in an open air patio seating area to accommodate increased demand during peak periods.

Jasper Mountain Eatery and Breworks will undergo significant renovations and be split into two separate restaurants to become Jasper’s Bar and Grill, which remains pre-security, and a new post-security restaurant named Mountain Lodge Bar and Grill. Combined with the recently opened Tim Hortons in the north-end of the Domestic Passenger Lounge, these projects, once completed, will significantly enhance food and beverage choices customers have at EIA.



The new restaurants and expanded food services help set the stage for the $1.1-billion expansion and the new opportunities for food and beverage services at EIA. The EIA terminal expansion to the south will add 13 new gates, bringing the total to 30 and have the capacity to serve nine million passengers per year.

[Rocket252]

So I open up the YEG Thread because there is something new this morning and I see a new Starbucks is opening.

Then I also see that Calgary's airport thread has a new item and decided to check it out. 12.26 million passengers - 1.4 billion expansion - new runway by 2014. And the Title for all this in Large BOLD letters
Looking further up Calgary's thread I see that Luftansa is resuming their flights from Frankfurt. Ho Hum another flight for Calgary that we have been begging to have for 5 years now.

Welcome to the reality of Alberta's Airport Sitution

[240glt]

Starbucks lovers rejoice – first of two new outlets opens at EIA
EDMONTON – Starbucks lovers can now enjoy their favourite specialty beverages at Edmonton International Airport (EIA) with the opening of the first of two new Starbucks.

The new Starbucks in the Domestic Passenger Lounge is now open, featuring Starbucks’ famous menu, including specialty coffees, sandwiches, pastries, packaged coffee and a selection of merchandise.

The second EIA Starbucks will open soon in the U.S. Passenger Lounge, offering the same menu as the first location.

“Starbucks has been one of the most requested food and beverage brands by our customers and we are pleased to add the popular Seattle-based brand to our retail mix,” says Peter McCart, Edmonton Airports Vice-President, Marketing and Business Development.

The Starbucks opening is part of series of new and expanded food and beverage options coming on line at EIA in the coming months in response to double-digit passenger growth in the past three years.

Along with the new Starbucks, Montana’s Front Porch has been expanded and reopened last week. The project involved expanding the kitchen facility and adding 28 additional seats in an open air patio seating area to accommodate increased demand during peak periods.

Jasper Mountain Eatery and Breworks will undergo significant renovations and be split into two separate restaurants to become Jasper’s Bar and Grill, which remains pre-security, and a new post-security restaurant named Mountain Lodge Bar and Grill. Combined with the recently opened Tim Hortons in the north-end of the Domestic Passenger Lounge, these projects, once completed, will significantly enhance food and beverage choices customers have at EIA.



The new restaurants and expanded food services help set the stage for the $1.1-billion expansion and the new opportunities for food and beverage services at EIA. The EIA terminal expansion to the south will add 13 new gates, bringing the total to 30 and have the capacity to serve nine million passengers per year.

Is that better ?

[IKAN104]

:haha:

[Jasper and one o nin]

So I open up the YEG Thread because there is something new this morning and I see a new Starbucks is opening.

Then I also see that Calgary's airport thread has a new item and decided to check it out. 12.26 million passengers - 1.4 billion expansion - new runway by 2014. And the Title for all this in Large BOLD letters
Looking further up Calgary's thread I see that Luftansa is resuming their flights from Frankfurt. Ho Hum another flight for Calgary that we have been begging to have for 5 years now.

Welcome to the reality of Alberta's Airport Sitution
Perhaps you should be posting in the YYC forum. Good for Calgary. I get these newzybits and post them for the benefit of the rest of the forumers. There have also been threads about how lousy the services are at YEG....
So, are you complaining about YEG in general - or just that our newzybits are not as good as YYC? Eitherway, I dont think it adds very much

[Rocket252]

That's better.

Need a little bold red in there as well.

[240glt]

Personally, I'll be very happy to get a Starbucks coffee in the international departures area. Right now the coffee there really sucks.

That hotel should be going in the ground very shortly as well.

[Rocket252]

Not complaining but pointing out the realities of the real world and how far we have fallen behind Calgary.

I am optimistic we will close the gap though because I think the people we have at YEG are trying as best as they can.

We will close that gap in the next few years.

[Rocket252]

We have good people there.

[IKAN104]

That hotel should be going in the ground very shortly as well.

Ya, I'm actually a little bit surprised that renders haven't surfaced yet for this thing.

[Jasper and one o nin]

Not complaining but pointing out the realities of the real world and how far we have fallen behind Calgary.

I am optimistic we will close the gap though because I think the people we have at YEG are trying as best as they can.

We will close that gap in the next few years.
I would suggest that we are closing the gap in terms of numbers. As a direct result the EAA is reponding.

[Kevin_foster]

Ya, I'm actually a little bit surprised that renders haven't surfaced yet for this thing.

I know. I'd love to see the renderings... who's building/designing it?

[dansk]

That you guys would enjoy this article about Caribou:

The Spokane delegation flew to Edmonton on March 25, for a briefing by the Edmonton Economic Development Corp., Peters says. The next day, the group attended the National Buyers/Sellers Forum there. Delegates attended seminars in the morning and in the afternoon had one-on-one meetings, which had been set up in advance, with Canadian businesspeople and others, Peters says. The Spokane companies were able to post informational forms about themselves on the Web site of the forum, he says.


The flyover, flown for a fee by Caribou Air, was that morning. The charter airline has so much business flying shift workers to the oil sands from eastern Canada that it’s “looking at buying between 10 and 20 Boeing 737s and other planes,” Peters says. Its airplane put down briefly in Fort McMurray, Alberta, which is 300 miles north of Edmonton and in the center of oil sands development. That night, the Spokane delegation had a small trade show and reception of their own, he says.

[McLovin]

Closing the number gap....do you really think we are closing the gap? I am surprised to hear this. Just to be clear, you feel that the number of passengers that use YEG is catching up with YYC? Or do you mean the number of flights or destinations or what?
Do you have any numbers? I am not implying distrust, I simply would like more info that is all.
If this is true then WOW!!
If this is true then can you give a prediction on how long it will take in years to be equal with YYC?
Thanks and great to hear!!:banana:

[Jasper and one o nin]

The fact that YEG was the fasted growing airport in Canada in 2007 DOES suggest that we are closing the gap with airports that have more PAX numbers than YEG in terms of growth. However - YYC did grow by nearly a million pax from 2006 to 2007 - which is more than YEG's 800,000. Keep in mind in 07 YYC had 12 million PAX vs. our 6 million. So, by saying we are closing the gap, in terms of numbers (as I said in previous post) isnt correct.
Im pretty certain YEG will never catch YYC in terms of numbers. But I think no-one can argue that YEG has experienced substantial growth in the last 3 years or so.
from WIKI
Edmonton:
Year Passenger Traffic
2001 3,940,416
2002 3,773,800
2003 3,882,497
2004 4,081,565
2005 4,511,451
2006 5,213,992
2007 6,065,117

[CMD UW]

There is a difference when we state 'closing the gap' versus 'usurping' YYC PAX. Honestly, anyone who believe's that YEG will one day be on par with YYC is doing too much peoti.

[SHOFEAR]

The fact that YEG was the fasted growing airport in Canada in 2007 DOES suggest that we are closing the gap with airports that have more PAX numbers than YEG in terms of growth. However - YYC did grow by nearly a million pax from 2006 to 2007 - which is more than YEG's 800,000. Keep in mind in 07 YYC had 12 million PAX vs. our 6 million. So, by saying we are closing the gap, in terms of numbers (as I said in previous post) isnt correct.
Im pretty certain YEG will never catch YYC in terms of numbers. But I think no-one can argue that YEG has experienced substantial growth in the last 3 years or so.
from WIKI
Edmonton:
Year Passenger Traffic
2001 3,940,416
2002 3,773,800
2003 3,882,497
2004 4,081,565
2005 4,511,451
2006 5,213,992
2007 6,065,117

wow. the IAAF event in 2001 made a noticeable difference.

[Edmonchuck]

There is a difference when we state 'closing the gap' versus 'usurping' YYC PAX. Honestly, anyone who believe's that YEG will one day be on par with YYC is doing too much peoti.

So why do you keep feeding me peoti then????? :P

[jeremy_haak]

wow. the IAAF event in 2001 made a noticeable difference.

It's possible that it positively affected the pax numbers for 2001; however, the discrepancy from 2001 to 2002/2003 is easily explained by Sept 11. I'm pretty certain every airport in Canada experienced a downturn in the following years.

[SHOFEAR]

I suppose that makes more sense...I didn't even think of that.

[Coldrsx]

after being at YYC twice in 8 days...i found it "a bigger airport feel" but not as nice as YEG

[cdnklc]

after being at YYC twice in 8 days...i found it "a bigger airport feel" but not as nice as YEG

and now we know another reason why calgary maintains bigger passenger counts than edmonton - we're still letting them count us as calgary passengers. :(

[Coldrsx]

and now we know another reason why calgary maintains bigger passenger counts than edmonton - we're still letting them count us as calgary passengers. :(

indeed.

We had a group of 61 of which 60% were from Edmonton but we flew YYC because of a $100 diff.

i hated the 3hr drive

[CMD UW]

Given the cost of fuel, time and perhaps parking, it is worth it for $100...not really.

[CanadianCentaur]

I don't exactly give a shit if $100 makes a difference - I'll still try to fly out of YEG.

[Rocket252]

Let me give you an example regarding Calgary that is affecting me:

We are planning on going to Europe next year and have an opportunity to use RBC Points to get there. I have just heard that we can redeem our RBC points for 50% more British Airway points which means we could go through Calgary via BA.
Now those of you out there will say "well he does not really count because he is using points and not paying full fair" but this is something that sways people such as myself into considering Calgary in my flight planning.

I would rather fly through Edmonton and want to support it as much as I can but if you are presented with this sort of opportunity it makes things difficult and reflects the reality of how airlines are able to "funnel" passengers into hubs.

[cdnklc]

Let me give you an example regarding Calgary that is affecting me:

We are planning on going to Europe next year and have an opportunity to use RBC Points to get there. I have just heard that we can redeem our RBC points for 50% more British Airway points which means we could go through Calgary via BA.
Now those of you out there will say "well he does not really count because he is using points and not paying full fair" but this is something that sways people such as myself into considering Calgary in my flight planning.

I would rather fly through Edmonton and want to support it as much as I can but if you are presented with this sort of opportunity it makes things difficult and reflects the reality of how airlines are able to "funnel" passengers into hubs.
i believe you can catch british airways out of vancouver and there isn't much difference in either price or time in the air... you can also use your rbc points to get to vancouver so even if you can't get there from here, you should still be able to get there without using calgary. don't get me wrong, i'm not "anti-calgary", just anti "how they count connecting passengers using their airport" and i will go out of my way not to contribute to that if i can help it. if that means using vancouver or seattle or minneapolis or denver as a connecting hub instead of calgary if need be, from my perspective that's why they are there (in addition to supporting their edmonton flights and edmonton's passenger counts at the same time).

[Rocket252]

If Vancouver works then we will certainly use them instead of Calgary.

Thanks for the info.

[LO 044]

Let me give you an example regarding Calgary that is affecting me:

We are planning on going to Europe next year and have an opportunity to use RBC Points to get there. I have just heard that we can redeem our RBC points for 50% more British Airway points which means we could go through Calgary via BA.
Now those of you out there will say "well he does not really count because he is using points and not paying full fair" but this is something that sways people such as myself into considering Calgary in my flight planning.

I would rather fly through Edmonton and want to support it as much as I can but if you are presented with this sort of opportunity it makes things difficult and reflects the reality of how airlines are able to "funnel" passengers into hubs.
I agree. These little advantages for YYC really make a difference. I look at the new LH flight out of Calgary. It gets into Frankfurt early in the morning which allows you to connect much easier and quicker to another European city either by air or even by rail. It is a distinct advantage of flying through Frankfurt this way than to connect through LHR.

[Rocket252]

The airlines are not dumb - They know how to schedule to achieve maximum use of their hubs.

That's why it is so difficult to persuade the ordinary passenger not to use Calgary.

[Jasper and one o nin]

Last trip I took, I had many option but I only considered YEG-LHR. The connections sucked and I had to take three separate airlines to get to my final destination. It cost me about $500 more. But flyedmonton first. Flyedmontonfirst, in my case, was a huge headache.

[EdmTrekker]

I agree. These little advantages for YYC really make a difference. I look at the new LH flight out of Calgary. It gets into Frankfurt early in the morning which allows you to connect much easier and quicker to another European city either by air or even by rail. It is a distinct advantage of flying through Frankfurt this way than to connect through LHR.


Not so...I fly into LHR often and then catch different flight outs - quicker and cheaper. Next month I fly into LHR from YEG and then catch a Lufthansa flight (booked directly with Lufthansa on their German site) to Cologne which was 19 Euros. Yes it IS a 10 minute tunnel walk to a differant terminal - and I have time plus I have only carry-on size luggage. But even If I have more at times, I collect it and walk the 10 minutes. Heathrow has some great price offerings from mainliners - particularly from Lufthnasa because they are competeting with BA. If you book in advance you can do this sort of thing. This way I DO fly non-stop from YEG on AC - but do not let AC funnel me through their HUB at YYZ (YYC wanebe HUB) or YVR to Frankfurt which would result in me (1) paying more (2) more connections to my final destinations and (3) more time to get where I am going (which is never FRA). This trip I get to Cologne 6-8 hours earlier than AC best routing through FRA and 350.00 cheaper at least! Here are the one way specials right now from London Heathrow on Lufthansa:

http://www.lufthansa.com/online/portal/lh/uk/specials/booking?l=en&nodeid=2039492&cid=1000243

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/april-sale/public/en_gb?openads=hpbanner


Check out the specials from any mainliner flying into/out of Heathrow. Gatwick is always an option as I am sure you know.

[KrisYYC]

Last trip I took, I had many option but I only considered YEG-LHR. The connections sucked and I had to take three separate airlines to get to my final destination. It cost me about $500 more. But flyedmonton first. Flyedmontonfirst, in my case, was a huge headache.

Wow you spent $500 more and had a pain in the ass itinerary just because you don't like the fact that YYC has more pax than YEG. Incredible.

You realize that if you flew YEG-YYC-wherever you would have been counted in YEG's pax numbers??

[ExcaliburKid]

^Yeah but doesnt that count as 2 for YYC?

[Bigtime]

^Yeah but doesnt that count as 2 for YYC?

But is it really worth it in the end? I mean no offense, but asides from the very few in both cities that are very well educated in air travel and actively try to support their airports isn't it a losing proposition?

Long story short, good on Jasper for supporting YEG but does his one example really help in the long run versus all the other Edmontonians that don't do like he does?

Please, enlighten me. I'm not looking to stir up a war here.

[240glt]

I just hate flying back into YYC, then having to drive 3 hours. I'll gladly pay a little extra to fly out of YEG.

The YEG numbers speak for themselves, I think.

P.S... I won't go on another Transat holiday, as they wanted an extra $600 to fly me & the other half down to Mexico from YEG. We did end up flying out of YYC, but arriving back from Puerto Vallarta at 1 am, from +30 to -25, then realizing that SOMEONE left the satellite radio on in the truck all week and the battery drained, really made me wish I could just call a cab to get home.

[Coldrsx]

^yup...i arrived at 445am sunday into YYC with a blizzard and had to not only stay the night, but leave my car and drive back a friends car 1/2 a sleep to make it back for a hockey final.

[ExcaliburKid]

Scenario:
Edmonton has a non-stop flight to a preferred destination that Calgary also has. The flight through YEG happens to be $250 less. As a Calgarian, do you:
A) Fly through YEG, I want the cheaper fare, to heck with the pax #'s.
B) Fly YYC and spend more dough, fly Calgary first!
C) Not go at all.

[LO 044]

Not so...I fly into LHR often and then catch different flight outs - quicker and cheaper. Next month I fly into LHR from YEG and then catch a Lufthansa flight (booked directly with Lufthansa on their German site) to Cologne which was 19 Euros. Yes it IS a 10 minute tunnel walk to a differant terminal - and I have time plus I have only carry-on size luggage. But even If I have more at times, I collect it and walk the 10 minutes. Heathrow has some great price offerings from mainliners - particularly from Lufthnasa because they are competeting with BA. If you book in advance you can do this sort of thing. This way I DO fly non-stop from YEG on AC - but do not let AC funnel me through their HUB at YYZ (YYC wanebe HUB) or YVR to Frankfurt which would result in me (1) paying more (2) more connections to my final destinations and (3) more time to get where I am going (which is never FRA). This trip I get to Cologne 6-8 hours earlier than AC best routing through FRA and 350.00 cheaper at least! Here are the one way specials right now from London Heathrow on Lufthansa:

http://www.lufthansa.com/online/portal/lh/uk/specials/booking?l=en&nodeid=2039492&cid=1000243

http://www.britishairways.com/travel/april-sale/public/en_gb?openads=hpbanner


Check out the specials from any mainliner flying into/out of Heathrow. Gatwick is always an option as I am sure you know.
I guess there are deals everywhere but flying to or through somewhere in Germany usually nets me the best price by far. Last year i flew YEG-YYZ-FRA-YYZ-YEG departing July 21 and returning August 27 on AC and paid a total price including taxes of $946.74. I still think it was a glitch in AC's website or something because this was not an announced seat sale. Basically you could fly out of YEG via YVR, YYC, YUL or YYZ to get to anywhere in Germany or Paris to get this sweet price. The ticket to London alone was something like $1250.

As for LHR, i wouldn't mind flying through it but in my case my destination is usually a drive or train ride away from a large city so the earlier i can get in to Europe the better. The YEG-LHR flight gets you in at around 12 noon the next day then add on the connecting flight. The LH YYC-FRA flight gets you into FRA at 8am.

I know everyone has different circumstances but in mine, FRA is the better option.