[Coldrsx]

new pics of the expansion

http://www.flyeia.com/images/1/1183.jpg

http://www.flyeia.com/images/1/1185.jpg

http://www.flyeia.com/images/1/1179.jpg

http://www.flyeia.com/images/1/1177.jpg

http://www.flyeia.com/images/1/1181.jpg

http://www.flyeia.com/fly_eia/expansion_2012/building_excitement/multimedia_gallery

[Coldrsx]

floor plans

departures - http://www.flyeia.com/nonimages/4/419.pdf

arrivals - http://www.flyeia.com/nonimages/4/418.pdf


quite impressive floor plans as well...

[Coldrsx]

Expansion 2012 Project Conceptual Milestones
2008: Apron expansion begins (complete)
May 2008: Expansion project announced to the public (complete)
October 2009: Terminal Express opens
Mid-2011: Combined Control/OfficeTower opens
Summer 2012: US departures/arrivals begin operating from the new pier; Terminal Express deactivated
End of 2012: Terminal expansion is complete and the new terminal opens for business

[rapid_business]

pics/links were already posted on a couple pages ago. But we'll let it slide this time Cold... we know you were away in NYC. :haha:

[Coldrsx]

pics/links were already posted on a couple pages ago. But we'll let it slide this time Cold... we know you were away in NYC. :haha:


i guess i wont give you that lead i have:D

[rapid_business]

/\ bullsh*t. speakup sucka...

[IKAN104]

Maybe these new renders should be posted on the first page of both this thread (feepa) and the construction thread (240glt). (please & thank you)

[240glt]

Maybe these new renders should be posted on the first page of both this thread (feepa) and the construction thread (240glt). (please & thank you)

I've already grabbed them, just need to upload to photobucket & post. I'll get it done this weekend.

[RTA]

^ In case you don't hear it enough, you're my hero 240. I appreciate your dedication to looking after "the list."

[Coldrsx]

^ In case you don't hear it enough, you're my hero 240. I appreciate your dedication to looking after "the list."

he aint my hero, homer j is, but damn near

[sdimedru]

any word on what kind of measures are being taken @ YEG with regards to swine flu?

[MrOilers]

I don't know, but the Emergency Departments at the hospitals are all taking special note when planes from Mexico are landing.

[Coldrsx]

i hear that they have most canadian airports with thermal guns to check deplaning passengers from the US and mex.

[sdimedru]

i hear that they have most canadian airports with thermal guns to check deplaning passengers from the US and mex.

wow, your statement reads QUITE differently if you happen to miss the word thermal!

interesting though, thx

[MrOilers]

If I was a sci-fi writer, the alien invaders would totally be using thermal guns to vaporize us.

[Bigtime]

Us suckers in both YEG and YYC, so happy to see direct service from Mexico by their airlines...it was a trap!

[tuffyy]

^Thanks Bigtime!

Update from Cancun-Riviera Maya, as of right now many airlines are cancelling inbound flights or are advising travellers to cancel or use extreme caution.Flights are arrving to pick up passengers still here (Transat, Skyservice, USA 3000 etc)

Spent the day at the airport with a mask on and avoided the departures and arrival area.

My wife is worried and I am worried about my son.As of now I feel fine as does everyone else in the house.And we are taking super extra care with lots of hand sanitizer and avoiding as much contact with others as possible.

Otherwise just another great day in the Riviera Maya.

My advice would be to stay away until things clear up...

[Rocket252]

^ Stay well tuffyy

Let's hope this is temporary and we can get back to travelling to Mexico soon.

Cancun/Maya is a great place to vacation

[CanadianCentaur]

Check this out - just stumbled onto this letter from the Journal. Is this guy pulling the highlighted info out of his butt or something?! There's NO way WestJet'd be allowed to fly into YXD with those scheduled restrictions in place. This sounds like a ludicrous attempt to add fuel to this ridiculous debate! (or better yet, beating a dead horse?)

I know the airport debate's getting so tiresome to many of you and I agree it's got to end ASAP, therefore I apologize for posting this. However, I felt I had to post this in case any of you want to write a reply to refute this ludicrousity.

Plus, the name of the writer sounds familiar to me somehow - can't quite put a finger on it, but I have a disturbed feeling about this.

LRT could service Muni

The Edmonton JournalApril 26, 2009

Re: "All aboard for south side; New McKernan/Belgravia, South Campus LRT stations open next weekend," The Journal, April 18.

The opening of two new stations this weekend shows the LRT's progress to the south.

There is also need for progress in the planned construction to the north and eventually toward St. Albert. The LRT station near NAIT should be designed to be the Edmonton City Centre Airport terminal, as well as serving NAIT and Kingsway Mall.

Architectural design and construction of the terminal would accommodate expanded airport service to serve commuter travellers, as well.

Both WestJet and Pilgrim Air are rumoured to be considering commuter service from the City Centre Airport, and co-ordination with the LRT makes sense.

The near future can be an active commuter air service, co-ordinated with long range and international service from the Edmonton International Airport.

Don Peterson, Edmonton
© Copyright (c) The Edmonton Journal

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Travel/could+service+Muni/1535600/story.html

[lightrail]

Check this out - just stumbled onto this letter from the Journal. Is this guy pulling the highlighted info out of his butt or something?! There's NO way WestJet'd be allowed to fly into YXD with those scheduled restrictions in place. This sounds like a ludicrous attempt to add fuel to this ridiculous debate! (or better yet, beating a dead horse?)

I know the airport debate's getting so tiresome to many of you and I agree it's got to end ASAP, therefore I apologize for posting this. However, I felt I had to post this in case any of you want to write a reply to refute this ludicrousity.

Plus, the name of the writer sounds familiar to me somehow - can't quite put a finger on it, but I have a disturbed feeling about this.

LRT could service Muni

The Edmonton JournalApril 26, 2009

Re: "All aboard for south side; New McKernan/Belgravia, South Campus LRT stations open next weekend," The Journal, April 18.

The opening of two new stations this weekend shows the LRT's progress to the south.

There is also need for progress in the planned construction to the north and eventually toward St. Albert. The LRT station near NAIT should be designed to be the Edmonton City Centre Airport terminal, as well as serving NAIT and Kingsway Mall.

Architectural design and construction of the terminal would accommodate expanded airport service to serve commuter travellers, as well.

Both WestJet and Pilgrim Air are rumoured to be considering commuter service from the City Centre Airport, and co-ordination with the LRT makes sense.

The near future can be an active commuter air service, co-ordinated with long range and international service from the Edmonton International Airport.

Don Peterson, Edmonton
© Copyright (c) The Edmonton Journal

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Travel/could+service+Muni/1535600/story.html

Even without the scheduled restrictions, WestJet's series 600/700/800 NG 737 aircraft are too large for the airport - they need a longer runway at that pressure altitude than is available. The 737s that used to fly out of there in the 70s were much smaller, and they were only flying short distances and were not taking off at full take-off weight. Even then, they had to use short field take off techniques to get the plane off the ground.

[jeremy_haak]

^ I'm not sure I buy that. I'm quite certain that Westjet would be able to operate YYC-YXD on their present aircraft without any restrictions.

[mode]

I would not get too excited about this just yet. "Commuter service from the City Centre Airport" can just as easily mean that passengers can check in at Blatchford before being sent by bus or train to their aircraft at the International Airport.

Or perhaps it means nothing at all. Perhaps someone will be asked to clear the confusion. Newspaper writers have to meet deadlines. Sometimes the stuff comes out funny.

[EdmTrekker]

Funny much. There will be no large jets at City Centre airport ever again. We are not spending billions at the International for no reason.

I am hearing KLM are going suspend flights to YYC and possibly Lufthansa. The volumes and price structure is not meeting projections and it is a money loser. BA may be next. Calgary is not a major world airport and there will be slots available a plenty if they pull the plug for a few years.

[0773|=\]

Check this out - just stumbled onto this letter from the Journal. Is this guy pulling the highlighted info out of his butt or something?! There's NO way WestJet'd be allowed to fly into YXD with those scheduled restrictions in place. This sounds like a ludicrous attempt to add fuel to this ridiculous debate! (or better yet, beating a dead horse?)

I know the airport debate's getting so tiresome to many of you and I agree it's got to end ASAP, therefore I apologize for posting this. However, I felt I had to post this in case any of you want to write a reply to refute this ludicrousity.

Plus, the name of the writer sounds familiar to me somehow - can't quite put a finger on it, but I have a disturbed feeling about this.

...



Yeah, I read that one too. I thought I mentioned it in the construction page a couple days ago, but maybe my mind is playing tricks on me...

Someone could say something, but I think the final decision will be in the right hands. The city's current vision is incoherent with an expanded YXD service, and the thought of building a brand-new domestic passenger terminal @ YXD is just ridiculous.

[Jasper and one o nin]

cessna grand caravan with the westjet livery... :)

[tuffyy]

CYXD runways.

12/30 5868ft
16/34 5700ft

737-600 required takeoff distance on a +25 degree day=Approx 6000ft.The 700/800 would not be able to operate from the airport at all.And with WestJets current SOP's the runways at YXD are to short unless they would want to offer seasonal (winter only) service.It would be deemed unsafe as the aircraft would surely use almost every inch of the runway (12/30) and if a aborted takeoff should come up...Well I think it speaks for itself...

[jeremy_haak]

CYXD runways.

12/30 5868ft
16/34 5700ft

737-600 required takeoff distance on a +25 degree day=Approx 6000ft.The 700/800 would not be able to operate from the airport at all.And with WestJets current SOP's the runways at YXD are to short unless they would want to offer seasonal (winter only) service.It would be deemed unsafe as the aircraft would surely use almost every inch of the runway (12/30) and if a aborted takeoff should come up...Well I think it speaks for itself...

According to these charts from Boeing (http://www.boeing.com/commercial/airports/acaps/737sec3.pdf), it's not entirely clear, but you'd probably be right that the payload would need to be restricted to a certain extent. I can't imagine the aircraft needing all that much fuel for a YYC-YXD flight, so I can't imagine the restrictions wouldn't be too severe and likely inconsequential as I wouldn't expect that sort of flight to be carrying much cargo either.

[7e7]

^WestJet will not operate out of YXD the citizens of Edmonton decided that back in 1995 when voted over 75% to eliminate scheduled traffic from that airport. Plus at that time WestJet said that they would not operate from airport no matter what - that was when they had planes that could.

The city has been quite clear that opening up scheduled service at this time is not on the table and the lease with Edmonton Airports prohibits scheduled service.

Now if they wanted to they could probably do hop to the international to pick up more passengers and fuel....now that makes sense :rolleyes:

[Airboy]

If anyone heard the roar the First Air 737 200 made a couple of weeks ago as it took off from City Centre, will agree that 737's will not be using this airport again. That said where would the new terminal building be located.

[MrOilers]

Now if they wanted to they could probably do hop to the international to pick up more passengers and fuel....now that makes sense :rolleyes:

Exactly. There is absolutely no benefit for an airline to use the old City Center Airport over the International. None at all.

[Coldrsx]

If anyone heard the roar the First Air 737 200 made a couple of weeks ago as it took off from City Centre, will agree that 737's will not be using this airport again. That said where would the new terminal building be located.

maybe that is what i saw... for i was out and about downtown and a larger plane flew over at a very low altitude that thinking back resembled a 737

[s211]

Even without the scheduled restrictions, WestJet's series 600/700/800 NG 737 aircraft are too large for the airport - they need a longer runway at that pressure altitude than is available. The 737s that used to fly out of there in the 70s were much smaller, and they were only flying short distances and were not taking off at full take-off weight. Even then, they had to use short field take off techniques to get the plane off the ground.

Keep in mind that Wastejet is mulling over branching out into commuter aircraft smaller than 737s.

Mmmmm, I do love the smell of conspiracies in the morning.

[240glt]

Running commercial flights out of the muni is not open for debate.

This only came up due to a letter posted in the journal submitted by someone who has a vested interest in seeing scheduled service there. The letter was deliberately misinformational.

[LO 044]

Funny much. There will be no large jets at City Centre airport ever again. We are not spending billions at the International for no reason.

I am hearing KLM are going suspend flights to YYC and possibly Lufthansa. The volumes and price structure is not meeting projections and it is a money loser. BA may be next. Calgary is not a major world airport and there will be slots available a plenty if they pull the plug for a few years.
EdmTrekker do you know someone on the inside with this information or are these rumblings on airliners.net. Just curious. But i wonder if this is a good thing or bad thing for YEG. Maybe LH would switch its metal to YEG for at least a few days of the week. KLM's prices from YYC are a joke. It is no wonder they'd be pulling out soon.

[lubicon]

KLM hasn't even started the new service yet, it's supposed to stary this Sunday. Have tickets sales been so bad that they wouldn't even launch the service?

[Bigtime]

Well I hope I at least get to see them once in YYC before they pull the plug!

[EdmTrekker]

EdmTrekker do you know someone on the inside with this information or are these rumblings on airliners.net. Just curious. But i wonder if this is a good thing or bad thing for YEG. Maybe LH would switch its metal to YEG for at least a few days of the week. KLM's prices from YYC are a joke. It is no wonder they'd be pulling out soon.

:)

Lufthansa is bleeding (check out their loss statements) and my sources say the fluff is the first to go...this flu situation was the last straw. Stay tuned. Remember what I said about serving MAJOR cities where slots are tight or cost $$ verus cutting places that are marginal at best. Lufthansa needs to help its SA partners get through this...

KLM have little to gain or BA...

[tuffyy]

It is scary as LH and KL are hurting, our counterparts in Mexico city have also been hearing they may reduce service into Mexico city atleast until traffic demand returns...Two airlines that are certainly not doing well.

Also AeroMexico and Mexicana are talking about a merger.Things could get interesting!

[lightrail]

^ I'm not sure I buy that. I'm quite certain that Westjet would be able to operate YYC-YXD on their present aircraft without any restrictions.

The smallest jet in WestJet's fleet is the 737-600. It requires a field length of 5,900 feet at sea level for take-off. The jet will be using 95% N1 power for that perofrmance, meaning more noise on take-off and climb out.

Nav Canada Pilot's Flight Supplement shows the main (longest) runway at At Edmonton City Centre (YXD) with 5,700 ft and an elevation of 2200 ft ASL. At that altitude, the air pressure is less dense, so the aircraft needs more speed to get off the ground and therefore more Runway.

Also, the Runways at YXD are restricted to 140,000 pounds. A loaded 737-600 will weigh about that on landing, but fully loaded would wiegh more on take-off (fuel weight is higher on take-off than landing).

There is no way WestJet would try to fly their 737s out of YXD. They wouldn't be allowed to do so to start with for safety reasons.

I tried it in Flight Simulator. I took a 737-600 with half fuel and half passenger load (by weight) taxied out to Runway 16 and back-tracked to get maximum runway length. I held the brakes on - aet 15% flaps for take-off - throttle to 95% N1, released brakes and the main wheels left the ground just across Kingsway avenue. In real life of course I would have taken out the fence, lights, cars, and approach lights and most likely would have crashed.

[Johnny Aussie]

EdmTrekker do you know someone on the inside with this information or are these rumblings on airliners.net. Just curious. But i wonder if this is a good thing or bad thing for YEG. Maybe LH would switch its metal to YEG for at least a few days of the week. KLM's prices from YYC are a joke. It is no wonder they'd be pulling out soon.

My 2 cents regarding this from sources at the micro level.

KLM may only last at YYC for the summer season. It is too late to pull the plug as services do kick off this week. However, there is a strong case that this flight will be pulled by October. They definitely have not been meeting projections (but then again, not very many routes are at the moment anyway).

As for LH, there doesn't appear to be any rumblings of closing YYC, however, a reduced frequency schedule over the winter is certainly a possibility.

As for BA, also cutting back to 4 or 5 flights per week for the winter schedule is on the table.

In conclusion, bad timing to add capacity. KLM may be gone by the end of the year, but LH and BA will most likely be around at YYC, but on a reduced schedule.

[TheBronze-]

hello from Bangkok!
just a statement..
not sure about viability, but do you think many people would hop on a direct flight to Asia from YEG?
I flew to BKK last week from YEG via YVR and ICN and I recognized many people from the YEG-YVR flight on the flight to YVR-ICN... (completely full planes btw)

[dansk]

I recognized people on my trip to Auckland doesn't make it viable from YEG though. A Canadain is planning on service via YYC though. I am sure you're happy about that though

[Rogie]

EIA has put a new Q & A about the City Centre Airport on its website (http://www.flyeia.com/whats_new/101). Not a lot new, but a nice, one-stop shop for information on the facility.

And if you read between the lines, remediation of the airport lands would be far less than coun. Tony C. would have you believe.

[rapid_business]

/\ a lot of great information that lays out the obvious for the general reader...

[EdmTrekker]

Speaking of information: here is a great website with links related to airports and aviation.

http://www.thirtythousandfeet.com/magazine.htm

[CanadianCentaur]

How much extra time should one allow for going through US Customs Preclearance at YEG if going on a transborder flight? I'm asking this because I'm supposed to be flying to LAX on Thursday (and yes, it's a nonstop flight) with WestJet.

[CMD UW]

^ 90 min to 2 hours. I have always given myself 2 hours, but I mostly have departed early in the AM, so it depends on what time your flying out. The early AM (5-7am) departures are busy with long line-ups.

[CanadianCentaur]

^ 90 min to 2 hours. I have always given myself 2 hours, but I mostly have departed early in the AM, so it depends on what time your flying out. The early AM (5-7am) departures are busy with long line-ups.

My flight doesn't leave until 10:45 am, but thanks for the tip.

[CMD UW]

^ That's not bad, the AM peak will have already have passed.

[Coldrsx]

^^
^

going to NYC on a wed AM we got there at 630am for an 830 flight

checked in, security, pre-boarder etc. sitting having a coffee in less than 40mins but i would say 90 to be safe.

[Coldrsx]

unreal YEG... unreal!


Edmonton International Airport
Passenger Statistics for April 2009

Highlights
¨ Overall 526,066 passengers
¨ Domestic 381,049 passengers
¨ Transborder 97,910 passengers
¨ International 47,107 passengers
¨ Rolling 12 Month 6,399,983

Growth%
¨ Overall 1.5%
¨ Domestic -4.9%
¨ Transborder 22.1%
¨ International 25.8%

[Jasper and one o nin]

beat me to it!
Plus side again, oh yeah!

[Coldrsx]

i would be curious to know which other NA airports over 3,000,000 PAX are in the plus.

[MrOilers]

Where are all the new flights?

Are airlines somehow not seeing those numbers? Do airlines see those numbers and think someone is making them up?

Those numbers and trends are tough to ignore.

[Johnny Aussie]

Where are all the new flights?

Are airlines somehow not seeing those numbers? Do airlines see those numbers and think someone is making them up?

Those numbers and trends are tough to ignore.

Yes, those are impressive numbers. Certainly bucking "the trend."

As for all the new flights. In fact, airlines have been cutting flights to YEG which seems odd. US Airways just cut LAS, AC temprarily suspended LAS as well, UA reduced SFO and DL reduced SLC. Most notable is AC to LHR - only going to have 3 flights per week for next winter schedule.

[lubicon]

Where are all the new flights?

Are airlines somehow not seeing those numbers? Do airlines see those numbers and think someone is making them up?

Those numbers and trends are tough to ignore.

There won't necessarily be more flights, the existing flights will just have better loads. If the airlines can sell more seats than their current capacity allows then you will see more flights.

[240glt]

I can't remember the last time I flew out of YEG in a plane with any number of vacant seats

[Coldrsx]

I can't remember the last time I flew out of YEG in a plane with any number of vacant seats

concur...

i find getting flights out of YEG and to YEG are actually quite hard

[hilman]

^^^^ US Airways cut numerous flights to LAS including YYC, JFK, Baltimore, Portland, etc. I would bet that the YEG-LAS flight with US Airways is restarted in the fall to meet demand.

[tuffyy]

The US airways drop of YEG and YYC was only a small part of the airlines decision to downsize its hub at LAS.

LAS was a important hub for the former America West, but it doesnt fit the US airways plans...

None the less great numbers...

Positive growth is always a very good thing...And yes it helps make a case.

[Jasper and one o nin]

I booked my tickets to LHR for july. The flight is relatively full according to by booking agent. Seems strange that AC dropped the 9X weekly
On another note, while in London Im doing a side trip and I booked with easyjet. I had to pay 16 pounds just to carry one bag with me. Another 6 pounds to pay for it. I didnt quite get that, I got charged a service fee to pay for it with my visa? Of course taxes and fees, all in - the total from Stansted to Spain came to 149 pounds.
Also, I read an article that Ryanair is looking at expanding to North America. The article was about a year old, but indicated that they are looking at the US because of their open skies. It said that they would also look at Canada, but not until there is an open skies agreement.

[S_B_Russell]

I booked my tickets to LHR for july. The flight is relatively full according to by booking agent. Seems strange that AC dropped the 9X weekly
On another note, while in London Im doing a side trip and I booked with easyjet. I had to pay 16 pounds just to carry one bag with me. Another 6 pounds to pay for it. I didnt quite get that, I got charged a service fee to pay for it with my visa? Of course taxes and fees, all in - the total from Stansted to Spain came to 149 pounds.
Also, I read an article that Ryanair is looking at expanding to North America. The article was about a year old, but indicated that they are looking at the US because of their open skies. It said that they would also look at Canada, but not until there is an open skies agreement.

Welcome to the Easy Jet experience! They nickel and dime you to death. The service charge to pay by Visa online is hilarious. How else are you supposed to pay via the internet? Maybe they would wave the fee if the money was sent by carrier pigeon?

[Johnny Aussie]

^^^^ US Airways cut numerous flights to LAS including YYC, JFK, Baltimore, Portland, etc. I would bet that the YEG-LAS flight with US Airways is restarted in the fall to meet demand.

Unlikely as US Airways is pretty much shutting down their LAS hub and will only be a focus city.

Despite the perception there are no empty seats out of YEG, it is clear, espectially to the US, that carriers are reducing flights. No rhyme or reason, just a fact.

[Johnny Aussie]

I booked my tickets to LHR for july. The flight is relatively full according to by booking agent. Seems strange that AC dropped the 9X weekly


Yup, and come winter 2009/2010, that route is going down to only 3 x per week. Go figure!

[Kevin_foster]

RyanAir has planes made of plastic

[oiler-dude]

RyanAir has planes made of plastic

But it's nice and cheap!

I flew Ryanair Frankfurt-Hahn to London Stansted for 15EUR. But it was a sketchy plane, that I will admit.

[LO 044]

I understand an airline trying to save money but Ryanair is beyond cheap. Their latest idea includes doing away with check-in counters and basically having a bag drop off area. I'm sure that will enhance customer service with no check-in agents available to ask any questions. Or Ryanair's idea of charging to use the bathroom on the plane. Let me guess, 3 visits for 3 Euros if you book in advance otherwise 5 Euros payment on the plane per visit.

[EdmTrekker]

Wonder what flights Edmonton will get this fall, likely same routes & frequency as last year...or better:

"Skyservice Airlines today announced a full 2009 - 2010 winter flying schedule with its two largest customers. The company will operate eight aircraft for Sunquest Vacations and another eight for Signature Vacations, all serving traditional southern sun destinations."

http://www.aviation.ca/content/view/7346/117/

[Jasper and one o nin]

I understand an airline trying to save money but Ryanair is beyond cheap. Their latest idea includes doing away with check-in counters and basically having a bag drop off area. I'm sure that will enhance customer service with no check-in agents available to ask any questions. Or Ryanair's idea of charging to use the bathroom on the plane. Let me guess, 3 visits for 3 Euros if you book in advance otherwise 5 Euros payment on the plane per visit.
they give you a little bag in the seat front pocket in front of you

[tuffyy]

Get the camera's out YEGGER's,

I spoke to a friend today in Edmonton who informed me that you will have 5 German airforce F-4 phantoms rolling through YEG over the weekend, and the aircraft are supposed to be based at YEG for the duration of maple flag being held at Cold lake.

Someone get pictures!!!

They are supposed to be at the shell aerocentre fbo, and I am sure will rock south Edmonton as they head to Cold lake on there ''mock'' missions...

[IKAN104]

Do they still use F-4s in regular service? I'm pretty sure the Americans retired theirs.

[tuffyy]

^The germans are the one of the last, if not the last operator, they are due to be retired in 2012...

[alexis]

Err, why would the Germans base themselves at YEG rather than CFB Cold Lake...every other year they've been based at CYOD? Besides if they're taking part in Maple Flag it makes no sense at all to be located all this way away.

Btw, was there a NATO 707 in YEG..I saw one overfly my place at about 15:40 today on what looked like the flight routing the CC-150's make when returning with troops and accompanied by CF-188's

I believe Greece, Iran, Israel, Japan & Turkey still operate F-4's but I am a little out of touch with this.
Also I think the Luftwaffe F-4F retirement has now been moved up to 2010 , so probably the very last time you'll get to see F-4's in Canada.

[alexis]

RyanAir has planes made of plastic

'Fraid not, they only have Boeing 737's, not an Airbus in sight ;)

BTW, almost every single new Ryanair 737 flies overhead Edmonton on it's delivery flight..normally between about 10pm and midnight

Also Ryanair, the Irish company, is completely different to Ryan International Air (RyanAir), the US company, although they do both operate the 737. Confusing I know ;)

[Jaws]

But it's nice and cheap!

I flew Ryanair Frankfurt-Hahn to London Stansted for 15EUR. But it was a sketchy plane, that I will admit.

Beat you. Milan-Hahn for 0.99. Ryanair is a bit weird in that there is no assigned seating (when I flew with them).

[tuffyy]

Err, why would the Germans base themselves at YEG rather than CFB Cold Lake...every other year they've been based at CYOD? Besides if they're taking part in Maple Flag it makes no sense at all to be located all this way away.

Btw, was there a NATO 707 in YEG..I saw one overfly my place at about 15:40 today on what looked like the flight routing the CC-150's make when returning with troops and accompanied by CF-188's

I believe Greece, Iran, Israel, Japan & Turkey still operate F-4's but I am a little out of touch with this.
Also I think the Luftwaffe F-4F retirement has now been moved up to 2010 , so probably the very last time you'll get to see F-4's in Canada.


^Its been habit for the past several years to use YEG for ''overflow'' parking as CYOD (Cold lake) only has so much parking.In the past few years its been a rare occurence as the exercise has been reduced to 4 weeks as oppose to 6 due to wartime requirements.The Nato 707 is always a regular and will likely be in and out of YEG for the duration of the excercise.Aswell as KC-135's, KC-10's and E-3's

[alexis]

^Its been habit for the past several years to use YEG for ''overflow'' parking as CYOD (Cold lake) only has so much parking.In the past few years its been a rare occurence as the exercise has been reduced to 4 weeks as oppose to 6 due to wartime requirements.The Nato 707 is always a regular and will likely be in and out of YEG for the duration of the excercise.Aswell as KC-135's, KC-10's and E-3's

Thanks, but period 1 at Maple Flag has very few aircraft attending, so I can see no reason whatsoever for the Germans to base themselves a couple of hundred miles away.
Who would be paying for the additional fuel costs to get these aircraft to/from Cold Lake to start with? Cold Lake has quite fair size ramps, three distinct sections in all and can easily hold all the aircraft due to turn up this year. In the entire 20+ years I have been an aviation Enthusiast I have never seen reports, or photos, of any fighter aircraft using YEG as an overflow for Cold Lake during Maple Flag, even during the busier years, oh and by the way, Canada is not at War with anyone!


Sorry, but this rumour was a non-starter from the word go., just like the Indian Air Force at YEG.

Methinks, someone has been pulling your leg here, or a bit of wishful, or perhaps hopeful, thinking ;)

As for last year, well, most aircraft of that size transmit their Hex code in their transponder, and I have a Mode_s box which translates this info.

Looking at the logs for last year, only one NATO E-3 was picked up on it, and that was on the day I took it up to Cold Lake, so I can see no E-3's that landed at YEG over that period.
As for the NATO 707...I picked that up on the 30th April, once, so it does not look like it even landed at YEG, unless it was a 'gas and go'.
Obviously the one day I was up at Cold Lake, they could have come in.

Sorry to be so critical, but please, there are so many false rumours when it comes to military aircraft, and I have seen no hard evidence of any of this..where are the photos of those Indian Air Force please......

From what I can see, some of the bigger stuff does come in and pay a 'one-off' visit to YEG, but most certainly does not operate out of YEG for the duration. Big difference that.

Obviously any postings of this sort of information is always most appreciated.

[tuffyy]

Well the fella I know from the Shell aerocentre said the 707 did infact stay the saturday.The F-4's cancelled according to him aswell.

Since leaving YEG I may be a little out of the loop,so maybe I should just stick to drinking tequila and watching the sunsets...

[Coldrsx]

Stuart Olson named to lead part of airport expansion


EDMONTONJOURNAL.COMMAY 21, 2009 10:02 AMBE THE FIRST TO POST A COMMENT


EDMONTON - Stuart Olson Constructors Inc. will be the lead proponent on the central utilities plant portion of the $1 billion international airport expansion.

It will provide management services on the installation of mechanical, electrical, storm, sanitary and water services for the terminal expansion building and the new control tower, the company said Thursday.

Completion of the utilities plant is expected by late 2011, and the expansion finished by 2012.

“Our Stuart Olson team recently completed the EIA parkade expansion and we are pleased to have the opportunity to continue partnering with on this project,” said Jim Houck, CEO of parent company Edmonton's Churchill Corp.

© Copyright (c) The Edmonton Journal

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/Business/Stuart+Olson+named+lead+part+airport+expansion/1616268/story.html

[LO 044]

Speaking of parkades. What ever happened to that lawsuit EIA had against PCL or Stuart Olson or whomever? From what i remember reading on here, the current parkade should have been able to handle a couple of more levels but flaws in either design and/or construction will prevent that from happening.

[CanadianCentaur]

concur...

i find getting flights out of YEG and to YEG are actually quite hard

That's pretty true if you don't book far enough ahead of time, which I'd imagine would be a real problem for business travelers or for those who have to travel for other urgent reasons.

However, I tend to book quite a few flights to Eastern Canada out of YVR, partly because I'm a frequent visitor to Vancouver. I have lots more seats to choose from there, of course. Not to mention a better chance of widebodies on transcon flights, though I don't mind narrowbodies if the seat pitch is okay or better.

I just got off an AC flight last night from YVR to St. John's, NL via Calgary and Halifax - sitting on the same plane, which happened to be an AC A319. This is probably the last time I try to do that, especially on an Airbus narrowbody with a seat pitch of only 30-31" in half of the Y class seats. I had the "pleasure" of sitting in one of those with the guy in front reclining in my face for 4 hours between Calgary and Halifax.

But ironically, I've found booking seats out of YEG to YVR for instance easier than was the case before Canadian was taken over by AC.

[Coldrsx]

Photos from the 2008 YEG annual report

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/Picture4-1.png

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/Picture3-1.png

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/Picture2-1.png

[Rogie]

Just looking at the webcams at YEG, and I'm seeing a crane and what seems to be new equipment and fencing that I never noticed before near the US departures end of the south terminal, an the airside.

Seems construction of the Terminal Express has begun (or am I mistaking what I'm seeing?).

Very exciting!

[CMD UW]

^Yes, site grading started last summer / fall and is ready to ramp up big time...

[EdmTrekker]

Photos from the 2008 YEG annual report
http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x164/coldrsx/Picture3-1.png


I wish I knew how to use some arts program to touch those planes up - adding a logo here and there...like a Swiss Cross, An Air France Logo etc...

[CMD UW]

Does it really matter....seriously. If I am not mistaken, these renderings weren't even done in Edmonton or Canada....

[Jasper and one o nin]

http://www.flyeia.com/nonimages/4/447.wmv

[ExcaliburKid]

Neat vid, thanks for posting!

[YYCguys]

With what seems to be a southerly expansion, what are the plans for the north (Westjet domestic) wing? It's going to be so far from the rest of the terminal, or perhaps the plan is to tear it down and move Westjet closer to where all the action is? If not, that end needs an expansion or at the very least a facelift. It is very tired looking, but mostly very crowded, especially when all the gates down at the far end are in use.

[YYCguys]

So it seems at least initially, guests in Calgary who want to go to Cancun will be making a connection in Edmonton. That's a welcome switch!

WestJet Comments on Canadian Gov't Designation for Mexico
Airline receives OK to fly to popular resort destinations

CALGARY, June 9 /CNW/ - WestJet (TSX:WJA) today commented on the federal
government's granting of designation for WestJet to provide increased
scheduled service to Mexico.
Sean Durfy, WestJet President and Chief Executive Officer, said these
designations are a continuing expression of the government's confidence in
WestJet to provide Canadians with high-value, low-cost travel.
"This announcement today is another step forward in our strategic plan,
which includes significant international expansion," he said. "Our ability to
deliver our exceptional guest experience to Mazatlan and San Jose del Cabo has
now resulted in further designations from the Transport Minister. We
appreciate the minister's confidence and look forward to providing service to
these new and exciting destinations in Mexico."
Included in this announcement are designations that apply immediately and
some that apply in December 2009. As WestJet's fleet continues to expand, the
airline remains well positioned to serve these destinations on a scheduled
basis.
Specific information regarding dates and fares will be available in the
coming weeks.

WestJet received the following designations effective immediately:
Vancouver-Mazatlan
Calgary-Puerto Vallarta
Edmonton-Cancun
Edmonton-Puerto Vallarta
Winnipeg-Mazatlan
Winnipeg-Puerto Vallarta
Halifax-Cancun

WestJet received the following designations effective December 2009:
Vancouver-Cancun
Vancouver-Puerto Vallarta
Calgary-Cancun
Winnipeg-Cancun
Toronto-Cancun
Toronto-Puerto Vallarta
Montreal-Cancun

Durfy said today's news is exciting for both WestJet and its guests. "Our
network connectivity into major Canadian cities, our comfortable,
Next-Generation 737s, the incredible packages that WestJet Vacations offers
and, of course, our fun and friendly service...they are all reasons why more
and more Canadians are choosing WestJet each and every day."

About WestJet

WestJet is Canada's leading high-value low-cost airline offering
scheduled service throughout its 47-city North American and Caribbean network.
Named Canada's most admired corporate culture in 2005, 2006 and 2007, WestJet
pioneered low-cost flying in Canada. WestJet offers increased legroom and
leather seats on its modern fleet of 75 Boeing Next-Generation 737 aircraft,
and live seatback television provided by Bell ExpressVu. With future
deliveries for an additional 46 aircraft, bringing its fleet to 121 by 2013,
WestJet strives to be the number one choice for travellers.



For further information: WestJet, Gillian Bentley, Media Relations,
1-888-WJ 4 NEWS (1-888-954-6397), Email: gbentley@westjet.com, Website:
www.westjet.com
Index of Releases

Link here http://micro.newswire.ca/release.cgi?rkey=1606093950&view=87295-2&Start=0

[YYCguys]

And by the way, how are Westjet's Edmonton-Yellowknife flights doing, ie: loads? Have you heard any comments, either positive or not?

[Jasper and one o nin]

regarding the north expansion, the airport will "modernize" the existing terminal to some degree. When I talked to Reg Milney, he went as far to say that they may even consider domolition of a portion of the original terminal, that is the westjet wing.

[EdmTrekker]

Interesting read:

http://www.aviation.ca/content/view/7394/117/

There may be more to this then this news-clip tells, for instance the impact and fallout of mergers in the US and fate of AC. The code share with SW may not even happen - and this is an exit "strategy".

Here is a spin from Dallas:

http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/05/whats-behind-the-westjet-south.html

This may be good for YEG - perhaps more flights directly deployed from YEG to the US rather than rouTing through A SW OR YYC HUB. Or not and the WJ aircraft will be deployed elsewhere...YVR to Japan?

[tuffyy]

Great news on the WestJet front with the now scheduled authority to Cancun from Edmonton.

Also noticed that the Air Transat flights to YEG have now been switched to a Thomas cook A330-300 routed YVR-YEG-LGW, no more A310.

The Canadian affair schedules now also show that it will be Thomas cook A330 for the summer 2010 flights aswell.

[Coldrsx]

^interesting, i like the A330.

I am off to vegas today and get to check out DEN/LAX on my round trip.

[Jasper and one o nin]

CBC Radio had a story on the EIA expansion. The point was that because officials and board members are not elected, they are not accountable to the regions citizens - or to those who use the airport. Our friend Tony Caterina was interviewed and was saying that airport authorities, including Edmonton's are spending money unnecessarily at the expense of the citizens. CBC asked for "the listeners" opinion.
The question was "what do you think of the EIA expanding?"
to answer... http://www.cbc.ca/edmontonam/contact.html#

[Jasper and one o nin]

My comments:
If the airport is over-capacity then by all means it should expand. I have viewed the expansion plans and feel that the expansion project is a very reasonable project. In comparison with other projects, that have expanded their airports in a completely irresponsible and inefficient way, the EIA appears to be expanding to simply meet the demand.
The airport is the gateway to our City to many visitors. The airport is also a key tool to our City's economic growth.
Good on the EAA for being proactive to manage growth is a reasonable and responsible manner.

[Rogie]

Interesting analysis of the Canada-US market on anna.aero (http://www.anna.aero/2009/05/29/canada-us-market-generates-23-million-passengers-but-none-on-us-lccs/).

YEG, obviously not a huge player in this market, but there's an interesting bit of math at the end that shows how the transborder market has plunged (along with other air travel) except at YEG.

"In the first quarter of 2009 Can-Am traffic is down 10.8% at Toronto, down 12.3% in Vancouver and down 9.1% in Montreal. However, in Edmonton transborder traffic was up almost 19% in the first three months thanks to capacity increases from a number of carriers." :)

[240glt]

Interesting. And a link to an article at the bottom shows that EIA was the only airport in Canada to produce growth every month in 2008

http://www.anna.aero/2009/02/13/edmonton-achieves-growth-in-every-month-of-2008/

[lubicon]

CBC Radio had a story on the EIA expansion. The point was that because officials and board members are not elected, they are not accountable to the regions citizens - or to those who use the airport. Our friend Tony Caterina was interviewed and was saying that airport authorities, including Edmonton's are spending money unnecessarily at the expense of the citizens. CBC asked for "the listeners" opinion.
The question was "what do you think of the EIA expanding?"
to answer... http://www.cbc.ca/edmontonam/contact.html#

If by 'citizens' he means 'taxpayers' then he is out to lunch. Taxpayers are not contributing anything to the airport. Revenue is generated solely by those who use the airport (airlines and passengers).