[LO 044]

I thought this would have made bigger news. The US news agencies have published this story yet it doesn't even register on CBC or CTV. Or is this just a signing of previously agreed to terms a couple of months ago hence the non-interest in publishing?

EU signs airline deal with Canada
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BRUSSELS (AP) — The European Union on Thursday signed an aviation deal with Canada that will allow airlines to operate flights from any European city to Canada and will phase out restrictions on foreign ownership of carriers.
The deal replaces a patchwork of agreements between Canada and most — but not all — of the EU's 27 nations that prevented one EU country's flagship airline from running flights from another part of Europe to Canada.

This meant, for example, that British Airlines could only run flights from Britain to Canada. That's no longer the case now and airlines can operate direct flights to Canada from any part of Europe. The deal also removes all restrictions on routes, prices or the number of weekly flights between the two regions.

The EU's executive commission said the deal could generate economic benefits of at least euro72 million ($105 million) and create more than 1,000 jobs in the first year.

It said opening up the market could see an extra 3.5 million people fly between the two regions in coming years. More than 9 million people traveled between Canada and the EU last year.

The new agreement made the EU-Canada air transport market "one of the most open in the world," said Antonio Tajani, the EU's transport commissioner. The EU is hoping to expand a similar deal with the U.S., which is reluctant to drop barriers to foreign investment in airlines.

Limits on investment will be phased out gradually.

"The end product will be that EU undertakings or citizens will be able to freely invest in Canadian airlines and vice versa," the EU said.

The deal also recognizes security checks in both regions which should simplify flight transfers because passengers, luggage or cargo taking a connecting flight would be exempted from a second round of security screening.

Copyright 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[Rocket252]

Where is this rumor coming from?

any documentation on it?

[Coldrsx]

Where is this rumor coming from?

any documentation on it?

C2E from one of the most reliable and in the know sources:

chupa
Addicted to C2E

Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Edmonton,Alberta

Also keep in mind these are not the full spring announcements for WestJet from YEG.I just returned from a trip to Cancun and had the pleasure of meeting our former EIA friend who now works for the Cancun airport group who represents several of Mexicos airports and claims to say YEG-EWR will shortly be announced.

[LO 044]

Nothing new i think but airline route updates confirms YEG-LHR daily with the 763 for summer 2010.

http://airlineroute.net/2009/12/21/ac-eu-s10/#more-15906

I'm quite surprised at some of the new or restarted flights to Europe. They include Athens, Barcelona, Brussels, Copenhagen. All from YYZ / YUL of course.

Maybe Barcelona and Athens but Brussels and Copenhagen?

[Rocket252]

AC seems to have enough metal/business requirement for Brussels and Copenhagen but not YEG - FRA.

[Edmonchuck]

Loads + High Revenue Paying Passengers + (0.5*YYZ's home base constant) = YYZ gets priority.

We could add a smoothing factor for international recognition and # of residents of TO and MTL that are 1st generation or recent immigrants from these countries, but the above equation about covers it.

[Johnny Aussie]

Effective 11 Feb 10 all NW flights will be operated by Delta Connection - a combination of CR9 and E75. Last A319 flight operates 10 Feb.

This leaves US carriers with only 2 mainline flights per day summer scheds. US to PHX (which normally switches to US Express) and newcomer CO to IAH.

[EdmTrekker]

Effective 11 Feb 10 all NW flights will be operated by Delta Connection - a combination of CR9 and E75. Last A319 flight operates 10 Feb.

This leaves US carriers with only 2 mainline flights per day summer scheds. US to PHX (which normally switches to US Express) and newcomer CO to IAH.

Wow...thats a real loss in seat capacity. Perhaps Delta have intelligence indicating traffic from YEG may soon have another option to the East Coast and points South East...Minneapolis itself is not a big draw -it was a connecting point. Lets hope flights into Dulles and Newark are on the way.

[Rogie]

^It's also a huge loss of cargo capacity. I don't know how much NW carried in the bellies of the 319, but there are countless occasions when regional jets have to leave bags behind because they're overweight -- and that means there's not a lot of cargo space.

[Rocket252]

Wow...thats a real loss in seat capacity. Perhaps Delta have intelligence indicating traffic from YEG may soon have another option to the East Coast and points South East...Minneapolis itself is not a big draw -it was a connecting point. Lets hope flights into Dulles and Newark are on the way.

Wishful thinking on everyone's part that Westjet will ride to the rescue and provide us with service to the east coast.

Right now the reality is we have lost more capacity with NW and with the financial shape of airlines today we may lose the remaining mainline service to the states as well.


All this gives me the feeling that YEG is going to turn more into a feeder service to YYC in 2010 as the airlines struggle. The only bright light is Westjet who has treated YEG well over the years and may provide some increased service above what has been announced so far.

[MalcolmTucker]

Once codesharing is finally introduced by WestJet they will try to fill any market that needs to be filled, especailly markets that other airlines survived in in the past. Since they don't have business class, this will be advantageous for Edmonton as routes are easier to justify. Flying to Chicago Midway will provide a gateway to LaGuardia, Dulles, Philly and Logan (plus more). All the existing service to Vegas will be good to leverage from the convention and tourism market to a feeder for Southwest.

[dansk]

wow mr. debbie downer. YEG is already pretty much a good feeder for YYC. However, you make it sound like you're becoming a regional airport like Saskatoon. You're not. First off you can't lose much more mainline flights CO doesn't have planes that fly far enough, Air Canada just placed the LAX route on there mainline E-90.

This change was seen coming about 3 years ago as NW started Compass airlines. They said at the time flights like YEG would start using regional jets.

I wouldn't put to much on a East Coast route this year though, unless CO starts something that is going to shake things up which I don't see as they cut the YYC route.

[Coldrsx]

Effective 11 Feb 10 all NW flights will be operated by Delta Connection - a combination of CR9 and E75. Last A319 flight operates 10 Feb.

This leaves US carriers with only 2 mainline flights per day summer scheds. US to PHX (which normally switches to US Express) and newcomer CO to IAH.

very sad to hear.... taken that route a few times and it was almost always packed.

MIN is a great connector

[Rocket252]

wow mr. debbie downer. YEG is already pretty much a good feeder for YYC. However, you make it sound like you're becoming a regional airport like Saskatoon. You're not. First off you can't lose much more mainline flights CO doesn't have planes that fly far enough, Air Canada just placed the LAX route on there mainline E-90.

This change was seen coming about 3 years ago as NW started Compass airlines. They said at the time flights like YEG would start using regional jets.

I wouldn't put to much on a East Coast route this year though, unless CO starts something that is going to shake things up which I don't see as they cut the YYC route.

I say it like I see it and not through "rose colored glasses"

If this thread is to have meaningfull discussion we have to look at all news - good and bad.

Sure AC upgraded LAX probably because Westjet started flying into LAX and provided competition - they may upgrade SFO as well now that Westjet is going to fly there from YEG.

As far as CO - airline routes in YEG come and go so much who knows if CO will be here this time next year. That is the state of the business.

But all I see now is we are losing more than gaining and it does not look good

[Coldrsx]

"But all I see now is we are losing more than gaining and it does not look good"

Is that not true of most airports right now?

[Rocket252]

We are a smaller airport so when we have a downgrade in service it effects us far more than larger airports.

[Rocket252]

Someone give us some good news and I would be more positive.

[lubicon]

OK, I just did some preliminary looking at the new Delta/NW schedule. Here's the lowdown of what I found:

Current schedule
2x daily on A319. 124 seats/flight = 248 seats/day out of YEG to MSP.

New Schedule:
3x daily on CR9 (2) and E75 (1). Both have seating lsited at 76. 76*3 = 228 seats.

Net loss to YEG - 20 seats per day or slightly less than 10%.

The cargo loss sucks, but realistically there is really little reduction in capacity and YEG actually gains frequency. Silver lining to every cloud.

[CMD UW]

Plus, I would assume cost cutting measures. Cheaper to operate RJ's and E's than Airbus' or Boeings.

[RTD]

Where is this rumor coming from?

any documentation on it?

This might be the first sign:

Iceland Express To Fly Into Wpg
CJOB News Team reporting
12/23/2009

Iceland Express will start flying between Iceland and Winnipeg next summer. The airline will fly twice a week. Apart from London, Iceland Express offers connecting flights from Winnipeg to Cogenhagen, as well as other destinations throughout Europe. Winnipeg Airports Authority CEO Barry Remple says the deal is one of the first benefits of the recently signed open skies agreement between the European Union and Canada.

A year ago, this was little more than a "rumor". And now, more "rumors" are popping up about more non-stop fights to international, specifically European destinations into the city. Edmonton will likely benefit from the EU signing as well.

[Rocket252]

^ Something about your anouncement is funny - whether it brings back memories of the Fountain Tire guy "going to Winnipeg" or "Iceland express" being similiar to the Ice express we are experiencing with the the cold and snow we are getting right now to the fact Santa Claus is making his rounds this time of year.


Winnipeg gets Iceland Express.

Who knows maybe Edmonton will get Siberian airways?

[RTD]

You can mock it all you want, and I should have expected that on this thread, but all I did was express that the open skies agreement is here and in the beginning stages. Can't expect the biggest non-stop flights to become instantaneous; that will take time. Make of it what you will, but more non-stop international flights are on the way for Canadian cities.

[Rocket252]

A lot of what goes on in this thread is speculation and rumors that tend to raise the expectaions of everyone involved. While that makes for interesting reading it does tend to make people slightly frustrated when these rumors do not come to pass.

So Its great that Winterpeg has gotten ICE Air but it remains to be seen where it goes from there.

I hope your speculation is correct

[oiler-dude]

I'm sure this has been mentioned, but I flew out on Wednesday morning (first class somehow, man I love it!) but there are some cranes, and support beams popping up on the terminal expansion. Nice to see. :)

[Coldrsx]

Did i see LOT on the dept screen?

[dansk]

LOT codeshares via YYZ, don't expect them in Edmonton as they are on the verge of folding

[Jasper and one o nin]

I was curious how YEG compared to airports in the US.
Based on similar PAX numbers and similar city population, I found the following on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_the_United_States

Anchorage 2,599,000
Tucson 2,177,000
Oakland 7,144,107
Sacremento 5,382,000
Indianapolis 4,097,398
New Orleans 3,770,246
KC 5,833,064
St Louis 7,130,180
Albequerque 3,176,299
Raleigh 4,706,587
Cleveland 5,447,482
Columbus 3,336,994
Oklahoma City 1,799,977
Portland OR 6,956,712
Pittsburg 4,946,256
Memphis 5,508,235
Nashville 4,779,474
Austin 3,945,020
San Antonio 3,915,428

[Coldrsx]

^very interesting, although in the US you have many more feeder level airports and more major hubs.

[naidoo]

Are these numbers monthly or annually? In comparison, YEG's annual PAX is just over 6 M correct?

[Jasper and one o nin]

^very interesting, although in the US you have many more feeder level airports and more major hubs.
I tried to stay away from Cities with more than one airport. Oakland probably shouldnt be there because SFO is the bay-area's main airport

[Rocket252]

Happy New Year!!

Hope everyone has a great 2010!!

[MalcolmTucker]

That list is not PAX. It is enplanements, boardings only. So not a really good list to be doing comparisons on unless YEG is publishing enplanement only numbers.
I was curious how YEG compared to airports in the US.
Based on similar PAX numbers and similar city population, I found the following on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_the_United_States

Anchorage 2,599,000
Tucson 2,177,000
Oakland 7,144,107
Sacremento 5,382,000
Indianapolis 4,097,398
New Orleans 3,770,246
KC 5,833,064
St Louis 7,130,180
Albequerque 3,176,299
Raleigh 4,706,587
Cleveland 5,447,482
Columbus 3,336,994
Oklahoma City 1,799,977
Portland OR 6,956,712
Pittsburg 4,946,256
Memphis 5,508,235
Nashville 4,779,474
Austin 3,945,020
San Antonio 3,915,428

[rapid_business]

So is it fair to 'double it' and count that as roughly PAX?

[Jasper and one o nin]

That list is not PAX. It is enplanements, boardings only. So not a really good list to be doing comparisons on unless YEG is publishing enplanement only numbers.
hmm... so it is, i wouldnt have posted if I knew that..

[LO 044]

Can anyone, perhaps someone working at YEG, confirm if Air Canada's 763 flying weekly to Cancun is the XM'd version or the old type with no TV's in the back of the seats. From what i've gathered on the net, the 3 culprits not (and won't be) XM'd have fin numbers 687, 689 and 690.

I'm planning to fly down with AC hence the question.

[Rocket252]

Air Canada Summer 2010 Changes

Edmonton – Las Vegas Service operates year-round, 2 weekly on Day 47
AC536 YEG1845 – 2042LAS E90 47
AC537 LAS2130 – 0137+1YEG E90 47

I can't hold back my excitement.

Thanks Air Canada

[EdmTrekker]

Air Canada Summer 2010 Changes

Edmonton – Las Vegas Service operates year-round, 2 weekly on Day 47
AC536 YEG1845 – 2042LAS E90 47
AC537 LAS2130 – 0137+1YEG E90 47

I can't hold back my excitement.

Thanks Air Canada

That is the same days, and frequency as now. Not sure why AC even operate here.

[KrisYYC]

Can anyone, perhaps someone working at YEG, confirm if Air Canada's 763 flying weekly to Cancun is the XM'd version or the old type with no TV's in the back of the seats. From what i've gathered on the net, the 3 culprits not (and won't be) XM'd have fin numbers 687, 689 and 690.

I'm planning to fly down with AC hence the question.


What day of the week does this flight operate?

[LO 044]

What day of the week does this flight operate?

It operates on Thursdays out of YEG and the specific date would be February 4.

It seems like YYC and YEG are getting "stuck" with the non-XM'd aircraft to sun destinations according to the info from this forum.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-canada-aeroplan/843745-update-xm-aircrafts.html

[tuffyy]

I have seen the xm aircraft here from time to time although it seems the non xm aircraft are more routine, as it would appear the xm machines are placed on most of the important European flights.

[Rocket252]

United Changes into YEG - Summer 2010

Denver – Edmonton 3 Daily E70 + 1 Daily CR7 (All E70 during peak Summer 09)

San Francisco – Edmonton 2 Daily CR7 (3 in 2009)

[Jasper and one o nin]

Nm

[Mercucio]

I was curious how YEG compared to airports in the US.
Based on similar PAX numbers and similar city population, I found the following on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_the_United_States

Anchorage 2,599,000 (5.2 million passengers)
Tucson 2,177,000 (4.4 million passengers)
Oakland 7,144,107 (11.5 million passengers)
Sacremento 5,382,000 (10.4 million passengers)
Indianapolis 4,097,398 (8.1 million passengers)
New Orleans 3,770,246 (7.9 million passengers)
KC 5,833,064 (10.5 million passengers)
St Louis 7,130,180 (14.4 million passengers)
Albequerque 3,176,299 (6.5 million passengers)
Raleigh 4,706,587 (9.7 million passengers)
Cleveland 5,447,482 (11.1 million passengers)
Columbus 3,336,994 (6.7 million passengers)
Oklahoma City 1,799,977 (3.7 million passengers)
Portland OR 6,956,712 (14.7 million passengers)
Pittsburg 4,946,256 (8.7 million passengers)
Memphis 5,508,235 (10.5 million passengers)
Nashville 4,779,474 (10 million passengers)
Austin 3,945,020 (9 million passengers)
San Antonio 3,915,428 (8.4 million passengers)

Here's the total passengers perspective. All stats 2008. Of these airports, only Anchorage, Tuscon, Albequerque and Oklahoma City have catchment areas smaller than Edmonton.

[CMD UW]

Albequerque has some impressive PAX numbers given how small of a market NM is.

[dansk]

If you going to ABQ you'll notice they are a tourist draw because of the mountains, Anchourage the same.

[tuffyy]

You will also notice Anchorage has huge cargo numbers as the bulk of the traffic is freighters but not a whole lot of long haul international passenger flights.

[Rocket252]

WestJet from May 1 2010 is to operate Boeing 737-600 on the Edmonton – Los Angeles service, replacing -700, which was also operated during 2009 Summer.
Service in Summer will be operating 4 times a week.

More downsizing of service for YEG.

[dansk]

YEG-LAX on AC downsized to 4x weekly as well. Not a surprise as the loads were soft from the report I saw last month.

[lubicon]

YEG-LAX on AC downsized to 4x weekly as well. Not a surprise as the loads were soft from the report I saw last month.

Do you know the schedule? Are they going head to head with Westjet or will their flights run on the days Westjet doesn't?

[dansk]

think they're doing Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon runs. Again soft loads last year didn't help.

[lubicon]

Swithcing gears and maybe going a little OT here, but I have a question regarding Fedex in Edmonton.

I send stuff all the time from our office in Calgary to the one in Nisku. Up until Christmas the label that was generated for these shipments (the one that goes on the package itself) was always 'YEG' but since Christmas it is 'YXD'. What's up with that?

[Jasper and one o nin]

not the best pics, but some shots of the expansion
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/4430/sauna001.jpg (http://img34.imageshack.us/i/sauna001.jpg/)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1144/sauna002.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/sauna002.jpg/)
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/9166/sauna003.jpg (http://img85.imageshack.us/i/sauna003.jpg/)
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/9910/sauna004.jpg (http://img23.imageshack.us/i/sauna004.jpg/)
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/9883/sauna005.jpg (http://img63.imageshack.us/i/sauna005.jpg/)

[Airboy]

Allot of steel up already

[CMD UW]

Yea, I saw that a few weeks ago...

[rapid_business]

so has anyone heard about longterm (or short term) plans to revamp the departures and arrivals lanes, etc. at the airport. It is actually quite embarrassing how bad the traffic management is there. YOW nailed it with their latest expansion in so many ways (traffic lanes and terminal), but it seems like we are going to be stuck with this hick town vehicle traffic management for some time...

[Coldrsx]

^concur in full... during busier times they both are terrible. Mind you arrivals at YVR is brutal.

[CMD UW]

^Thats a good question. I wonder what the traffic management plan is for YEG given that the new terminal will increase capacity.

[Coldrsx]

dear god US departures is a zoo at 6am...

5-6 flights leaving within 2hrs.

unreal

[Rocket252]

^ and with the new security measures in place it is even worse now. We were waiting in line 2 hours before even getting to the security checkpoint for our flight to LA recently

[Coldrsx]

^ and with the new security measures in place it is even worse now. We were waiting in line 2 hours before even getting to the security checkpoint for our flight to LA recently

yup...

we saw many people being turned back for whatever reason and having to restart.

the temporary bridge maze is not too bad and the new structure is pretty impressive thus far.

both flights on United Express were 95-100% full

[Rocket252]

The flight to LA was 95% full as well on Westjet.

Security at LA was tight as well. A lot of passenger watching by the security people there.

And the structure at YEG is really taking shape quickly.

Its going to look good.

[Coldrsx]

my god was customs a mess last night when we arrived though...

-WJ from phoenix
-AT from Cancun
-United from SF

lined up out the stairs to the bridges

[Jasper and one o nin]

I dropped some family off to go to IAH last week. Flight is at 6:40, got there at 3:30 and the line was packed. I told her that she was crazy for being so early, but I guess not.

[Jasper and one o nin]

New routes, more services, more awards – and a massage!
EIA looks back at a year of successes

January 26, 2010 (Edmonton, Alta.) – Edmonton International Airport (EIA) proudly looks back at 2009 and looks forward to more in 2010.

• More routes: Liberia and Huatulco join the non-stop family; for 2010, scheduled service to Kamloops, and seasonal service to Maui
• Houston-Continental: Daily non-stop service between EIA and Houston
• US passenger growth: US passenger numbers surpass one million mark in 2009
• Expansion 2012: $1-billion airport expansion program continues
• US Passenger Lounge: Expanded lounge now almost double in size
• Hudson Group: Leading airport-based news and specialty retailer joins the EIA Team
• Parking: EIA continues to expand its parking products
• Ambience at EIA: Commitment to art, ambience and culture program officially launched

[Jasper and one o nin]

Edmonton International Airport
Passenger Statistics for December 2009

Highlights
• Overall 529,082 passengers
• Domestic 392,658 passengers
• Transborder 94,540 passengers
• International 41,884 passengers
• Rolling 12 Month 6,090,213

Growth%
• Overall -2.6%
• Domestic -1.3%
• Transborder 0.5%
• International -18.2%

[Jasper and one o nin]

http://corporate.flyeia.com/news/385

[Coldrsx]

^^transborder making a come back... good to see.

I would like EIA to formally and publicly push for an NYC route.

YYC is from an EA to an airbus for 2010.

[Coldrsx]

Improved service sees record-high U.S. travel at Edmonton airport


BY DAVE COOPER, EDMONTONJOURNAL.COMJANUARY 26, 2010 10:03 AMBE THE FIRST TO POST A COMMENT


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Travellers wait to get onto their flights in the international departures area at the Edmonton International Airport in Leduc, Alberta, on Dec. 26 2009.
Photograph by: Walter Tychnowicz, edmontonjournal.com
EDMONTON — Edmonton International Airport’s overall passenger numbers were down 5.4 per cent to 6.1 million in 2009, but U.S. numbers topped one million for the first time.

http://www.edmontonjournal.com/news/Record+high+travel+Edmonton+airport/2486203/story.html

[LO 044]

A question for any of the enthusiasts that may work at YEG or have access to AC's flight operations. I'd like to know what the fin number is for the 763 departing at 9:25 for AC's flight 1894 to Cancun. If anyone knows, thanks in advance.

[tuffyy]

As I will try to do every year since my last MMUN pax count.

2009 numbers.

Numbers still effected by fears of H1N1 although that is now vastly declined.

Top Canadian Destinations in and out of MMUN (Cancun International Airport)

Montreal-81,200
Toronto-79,315
Vancouver-77,103
Edmonton-75,227
Calgary-73,194

Again it appears for the second year in a row that Edmonton loves the Riviera Maya, less travellers this year though across the board...Also a smaller number connecting through CYYC according to our records this year has to be good news.

Also please remember that March 1/2010 you will need a passport to enter Mexico...

Hope to see more fellow Edmontonians in the Maya soon!

[LO 044]

This fellow Edmontonian will be there next Thursday.

[lubicon]

Wow, I'm surprised to see more people from YEG than YYC. It seems everyone and their dog here in Calgary goes on a sun trip every year. Although it seems that Hawaii has been very popular for the past couple of years.

[EdmTrekker]

Tuffy how do Canadian cities stack up against US ones?

As I will try to do every year since my last MMUN pax count. 2009 numbers. Numbers still effected by fears of H1N1 although that is now vastly declined. Top Canadian Destinations in and out of MMUN (Cancun International Airport)

Montreal-81,200
Toronto-79,315
Vancouver-77,103
Edmonton-75,227
Calgary-73,194

Again it appears for the second year in a row that Edmonton loves the Riviera Maya, less travellers this year though across the board...Also a smaller number connecting through CYYC according to our records this year has to be good news.

[CanadianCentaur]

Wow, I'm surprised to see more people from YEG than YYC. It seems everyone and their dog here in Calgary goes on a sun trip every year. Although it seems that Hawaii has been very popular for the past couple of years.

Maybe it's because Calgary's winters aren't as chilly as Edmonton's?

[hilman]

Why do people think it is so warm in Calgary?

Nov (Min) (Max)
Edm -11.0 -0.4
Cal -8.9 2.8

Dec (Min) (Max)
Edm -16.7 -5.9
Cal -13.4 -1.3

Jan (Min) (Max)
Edm -19.1 -8.0
Cal -15.1 -2.8

Feb (Min) (Max)
Edm -16.3 -4.7
Cal -12.0 -0.1

Mar (Min) (Max)
Edm -9.9 1.0
Cal -7.8 4.0

http://worldweather.wmo.int/056/c00621.htm

http://www.worldweather.org/056/c00622.htm

[MalcolmTucker]

Maybe it's because Calgary's winters aren't as chilly as Edmonton's?

It would be interesting to compared the Cancun numbers to the west cost mexican airports.

[CMD UW]

Why do people think it is so warm in Calgary?

Nov (Min) (Max)
Edm -11.0 -0.4
Cal -8.9 2.8

Dec (Min) (Max)
Edm -16.7 -5.9
Cal -13.4 -1.3

Jan (Min) (Max)
Edm -19.1 -8.0
Cal -15.1 -2.8

Feb (Min) (Max)
Edm -16.3 -4.7
Cal -12.0 -0.1

Mar (Min) (Max)
Edm -9.9 1.0
Cal -7.8 4.0

http://worldweather.wmo.int/056/c00621.htm

http://www.worldweather.org/056/c00622.htm
The difference is moot considering the temperature ranges were comparing. It's winter in the Prairies period, it's cold.

[tuffyy]

Actually it seems to vary by locations Calgary's numbers are higher for resorts like Huatulco, Puerto Vallarta, and Mazatlan.

U.S cities and Europe numbers versus Canada.

NewYork-299,457
Houston-253,606

For Europe
madrid-152,898
London-127,322

Those are numbers for 2009, if you compare the numbers to 2008 they are down from that year.

All though things are quickly getting back to normal and we expect numbers to fully recover for 2010 as we are seeing more routes added especially from Europe.AeroFlot is even expected to add seasonal Moscow-Cancun sunflights.

[EdmTrekker]

tuffyy are those numbers simply deplaned passengers off the departing flight locale or from pint or origin? Example: AC fly's from YYC but not YEG to PVR.

The Madrid numbers are impressive, I love Madrid!.

[tuffyy]

These numbers are all O/D as we see little in the way of connections at MMUN.

And yes Spain is our largest overseas market with flights from Madrid and Barcelona by Iberworld (A330-300) and Pullmantur (747's) these operate almost daily.

[EdmTrekker]

I see 3 x daily non-stops from YEG to YUL in July. Last time I check to buy a ticket there were only 2. Not sure if this on the schedule or what.

[Rocket252]

Air Canada's web site still only shows two non stops to YUL for July.

[Rogie]

DELTA Spring 10 N America Increase on 36 Routes

DELTA from 06APR10 is increasing frequencies on 36 North American routes:

Minneapolis – Edmonton Increase from 3 to 4 Daily (2 E75 + 2 CR9)

Departures at:
0800
1150
1415
1615

You know, I always thought Delta didn't like the Edmonton market, but frankly, 4 daily on the MSP run is pretty good frequency (even though it is on an RJ and not a larger plane).

[tuffyy]

Yes I can see how many people would have thought that with the flights to SLC being so all over the board.But fact of the matter is that Delta's SLC hub was not as popular for connections from YEG this time around as most of the traffic was destined for California, Arizona, and other west coast points.With YEG now Having direct flights to these places the need for connecting through SLC dissolved.YEG-MSP on the other hand gives access to the east coast and is often used for connections to Europe, it's only real competition is YEG-ORD on UA.YEG-MSP has alot of history as it was one of NW first Canadian destinations almost 20 years before they even added YYC.In fact back in the early 80's a 747 even flew one of the flights regularly alongside 727's.Seeing the increase is good for YEG and it actually shows a increase in daily seats being offered compared to when there were 2 daily A319's.

[EdmTrekker]

Air Canada's web site still only shows two non stops to YUL for July.

I should have booked when the 3 were up...and 3 were showing.

[dancinb]

Is there anyone here capable of explaining this? Who loses money if I book the BMI flight?

http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww38/dancinb23/ACFlight.jpg

vs. this:
http://i703.photobucket.com/albums/ww38/dancinb23/BMIFlight.jpg

[LO 044]

I find airline pricing to be all over the place as well. I paid $1219 for my flight to Geneva last year via Toronto. Tickets to Frankfurt were higher and tickets to London were higher than tickets to Frankfurt. The British air taxes don't make it any easier.

[Johnny Aussie]

OAG summer scheds are not showing any YEG-LAX or YEG-LAS flights.

[Rocket252]

And Calgary's LAX flights go from 3 to 2.

[Johnny Aussie]

And Calgary's LAX flights go from 3 to 2.

And SFO from 2 to 1 and SAN is scrapped.

[YYCguys]

What does Westjet's service from YEG to LAS, LAX, SAN, and SFO look like?

[Johnny Aussie]

What does Westjet's service from YEG to LAS, LAX, SAN, and SFO look like?

WS Summer scheds ex YEG show:

LAX 4/week
SFO 3/week
LAS daily

And that's it. (eg no SAN)

[hilman]

^ When does it go from twice daily to once daily for LAS?

[tuffyy]

Also noticed WestJet is reducing Calgary-Las vegas to once a day this spring.

[tuffyy]

FYI to any YEG airplane geeks there is a vintage AN-12 ''cub'' turboprop inbound for YEG from MIA.The company is Avialeasing ''Twin-arrow''.The plane arrives in the morning then sits for crew rest it appears.

Here is a photo of the airline and aircraft.

http://i.pbase.com/g6/85/668285/2/85631807.zjV4zPxO.jpg

and the flightaware tracker.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TWN9246

[Airboy]

FYI to any YEG airplane geeks there is a vintage AN-12 ''cub'' turboprop inbound for YEG from MIA.The company is Avialeasing ''Twin-arrow''.The plane arrives in the morning then sits for crew rest it appears.

Here is a photo of the airline and aircraft.

http://i.pbase.com/g6/85/668285/2/85631807.zjV4zPxO.jpg

and the flightaware tracker.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/TWN9246

I think I had a ride in one a few years ago while working in Siberia. If I can find my photos I'll post them.

[CanadianCentaur]

Tuffy, you might want to test whatever link you have before posting it, because all I get is a 403 Forbidden page on it.

However, here's a pic of an An-12 in Avialeasing colours from Airliners.net:

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/4/4/8/1285844.jpg

And I believe that "Twin Arrow" is its callsign.

[Rogie]

Edmonton International Airport

Passenger Statistics for January 2010


Highlights

¨ Overall 486,471 passengers
¨ Domestic 343,870 passengers
¨ Transborder 92,664 passengers
¨ International 49,937 passengers
¨ Rolling 12 Month 6,083,143

Growth%

¨ Overall -1.4%
¨ Domestic -1.1%
¨ Transborder 8.5%
¨ International -17.2%

[Jasper and one o nin]

ya beat me to it..
No a terrible month

[tuffyy]

There also was a Antonov-124 at YEG today heading to Port au prince, it used YEG as a fuel stop enroute from Japan and Fairbanks.