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Coldrsx
Apr 19, 2007, 3:05 PM
Edmonton and Calgary...how about "housing prices just doubled in 2yrs":D


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Canadian house prices expected to double in next 20 years
Report discounts effect of boomers downsizing, creating surplus supply
Mario Toneguzzi, Calgary Herald; CanWest News Service
Published: Thursday, April 19, 2007

CALGARY - Fears of a decline in future house prices sparked by demographic changes in Canada are greatly exaggerated, says a report released Wednesday by CIBC World Markets.

The report, Much Ado About Nothing: Canadian House Prices Not Based on Demographics Alone, says house prices in the country will double in the next 20 years.

"Despite downward pressure from demographic forces, on average, we expect house prices in Canada to double in the next 20 years," said Benjamin Tal, senior economist, CIBC World Markets.
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"Fears of a decline resulting from the downsizing and increased liquidations of houses by seniors and the falling number of first-time buyers are highly exaggerated."

Prices in Canada's bigger cities, however, will likely increase even more -- and at a much faster pace, he said.

"In the large cities (in Canada), they will more than double because we see that most immigrants go to large cities. We see most economic activity happening in big cities. That's the reality of the next 20 years where big cities will be the major economic engine of the country," said Tal.

The CIBC report looks at population growth between two cycles of housing prices, from 1987 to 2006, and from 2007 to 2026.

Between 2007 and 2026, the projected 167,000 net decline in the number of first-time buyers (Canadians between the ages of 25 and 44) is marginal, at best, said Tal. Since this age group is by far the largest contributor to overall housing demand, accounting for almost 68 per cent of all home sales, this relatively modest downturn will not significantly impact housing demand.

The largest decline (2.5 million) is projected for the 45-to-54 age group, as many baby boomers move to the next age bracket. The impact of this change is also expected to be limited, given that the 45-to-54 age group accounts for only 12 per cent of total housing demand. In fact, this moderate decline in housing demand will be partly offset by the strong increase in the age group 55 to 74 and its surprisingly high housing market activity -- largely reflecting purchases of vacation and investment properties.

Tal said the Canadian housing market will have extra supply of about 250,000 houses in the next 20 years, but that translates into only 12,500 homes a year during that period.

And while housing market activity will fluctuate, the report projects the average house price will mirror the performance of the past two decades.

"Assuming a two-per-cent annual inflation rate, this means that house prices in Canada are expected to double by 2026," said Tal.


© The Edmonton Journal 2007

vid
Apr 19, 2007, 3:09 PM
And you know who has really cheap houses right?? :D

Coldrsx
Apr 19, 2007, 3:14 PM
^tb?

Coldrsx
Apr 19, 2007, 3:15 PM
one thing i find ridiculous about real estate studies is that few if any address the obvious fact that housing is going to shift from single detatched to condo/multifamily.

vid
Apr 19, 2007, 3:24 PM
^tb?

No.. :rolleyes:

Winnipeg and Regina! :banana:

Coldrsx
Apr 19, 2007, 3:29 PM
^sask and regina posted huge gains last yr...15-16% if i recall....cheap relatively, but moving on up.

sync
Apr 19, 2007, 4:02 PM
i can't believe that house prices will double in 20 years.

that means my mother's 1800SF suburban special, built with middle of the road materials and "just good enough" craftsmanship, will be worth $1,100,000.00+ by 2027?

Coldrsx
Apr 19, 2007, 4:09 PM
^dont forget inflation and the such...

my parents 2500sqft house was bought for 250,000 in 1987...it is now 2007 and worth $750,000....

Mike K.
Apr 19, 2007, 4:10 PM
Seems bogus.

I would say "land" values will double (if that, read the next paragraph for more on this), not "houses." A 1960's bungalow in the year 2030, on average, will be a mess of a homestead requiring major renos. I can't see people forking out enormous amounts of money to live in such a place especially with rapidly escalating energy costs, labour costs and material costs.

Btw, who else has heard the theory that burbs will become ghettos in several decades? The cost to commute from those hilltops to employment centres will be so great that everyone will flock to the cities leaving behind suburbia. In turn, outer city housing will become cheap and affordable to the lower classes much like older inner-city social housing is today.

Coldrsx
Apr 19, 2007, 4:25 PM
"I would say "land" values will double (if that, read the next paragraph for more on this), not "houses." A 1960's bungalow in the year 2030, on average, will be a mess of a homestead requiring major renos. I can't see people forking out enormous amounts of money to live in such a place especially with rapidly escalating energy costs, labour costs and material costs."

isnt that already the case...look at van...900sqt 1940 craphole in point grey is worth $1,000,000....no it aint, that land is.

Coldrsx
Apr 19, 2007, 4:27 PM
"Btw, who else has heard the theory that burbs will become ghettos in several decades? The cost to commute from those hilltops to employment centres will be so great that everyone will flock to the cities leaving behind suburbia. In turn, outer city housing will become cheap and affordable to the lower classes much like older inner-city social housing is today."

i very much disagree for many many people will never live in multi-family housing.

Mike K.
Apr 19, 2007, 4:31 PM
Yup, but that's point grey. The location + view will always command a high price.

I'm referring to the suburban Bristlewood Villages built on farmland abutting distant municipal borders. Those communities will lose value over the long term as energy costs continue to rise.

Anyhow, those "many, many people" will be the ones purchasing homes in Point Grey and other posh communities within the urbanized areas of cities. The average Joes will live in apartments, rowhomes, etc. That's the formula for major European cities and that's the directon where we're headed.

Coldrsx
Apr 19, 2007, 4:39 PM
^to some extent perhaps, but we have many affordable cities throughout canada people have the option to move to if they prefer housing over lifestyle or local for business.

bigcanuck
Apr 19, 2007, 5:05 PM
Financial rule of 72. Divide 72 by the rate of increase to get the # of years it takes to double. 3.6% annual increase means prices double in 20 years. 3.6% is definitely not unrealistic. In fact, it would be depressing if it was only 3.6% per year...

sync
Apr 19, 2007, 5:28 PM
Financial rule of 72. Divide 72 by the rate of increase to get the # of years it takes to double. 3.6% annual increase means prices double in 20 years. 3.6% is definitely not unrealistic. In fact, it would be depressing if it was only 3.6% per year...

does that formula work for my salary as well?

zerokarma
Apr 19, 2007, 5:31 PM
Financial rule of 72. Divide 72 by the rate of increase to get the # of years it takes to double. 3.6% annual increase means prices double in 20 years. 3.6% is definitely not unrealistic. In fact, it would be depressing if it was only 3.6% per year...

On the globeandmail.com website there was a lot of user comments about this. Basically what it means if this forecast is true is that Housing prices will remain FLAT for the next 20 years and just about keep up with inflation. This is bad news for people buying now on speculation.

GreatTallNorth2
Apr 19, 2007, 7:18 PM
Guys, if you think housing prices doubling in 20 years is significant, you should see what is happening in the UK.

The average home in Chelsea (London) went from 750,000 pounds to 1.3 million pounds in ONE YEAR. This is insanity and the bubble will burst sometime.

Canada's housing market is just catching up.

DizzyEdge
Apr 19, 2007, 7:20 PM
^dont forget inflation and the such...

my parents 2500sqft house was bought for 250,000 in 1987...it is now 2007 and worth $750,000....


That's what I was thinking... assuming a 3% rate of inflation prices will "double" in about 20 years anyway, I'm wondering if they mean in addition to inflation.

MonkeyRonin
Apr 19, 2007, 7:31 PM
My ~1500 sqft. house was purchased in the mid 80s for around $120,000. 20 years later, it is worth as much as $700,000. Just due to the central location of the neighbourhood, I wouldn't be suprised if it was worth over $1.5 million by 2027.

Kevin_foster
Apr 19, 2007, 9:13 PM
Doesn't surprise me.

Don't worry, your wage will double in 20 years.

Epi
Apr 20, 2007, 1:36 AM
does that formula work for my salary as well?

Only if you are a union worker... actually union workers get 4% increases on average.



Btw, who else has heard the theory that burbs will become ghettos in several decades? The cost to commute from those hilltops to employment centres will be so great that everyone will flock to the cities leaving behind suburbia. In turn, outer city housing will become cheap and affordable to the lower classes much like older inner-city social housing is today.

I don't agree with this at all. If anything the suburbs will stop expanding so far. And then they will be populated only by those rich enough to afford them. Everyone else will be living in cramped locations within the city.

Xelebes
Apr 20, 2007, 2:29 AM
And you know who has really cheap houses right?? :D

Hepburn, Saskatchewan $35,000 for a 7 bedroom house on 1.5 acre lot

Castor, Alberta $45,000 for a 6 bedroom house on a 1 acre lot.

vid
Apr 20, 2007, 5:00 AM
See?? Buy them! When house prices go up they'll make money!!! :banana:

DizzyEdge
Apr 20, 2007, 5:11 AM
About 9 mos ago I saw on the mls a "1914 stone 'castle' on a multi acre lot with a view of the ocean in New Brunswick, 3000 sq ft, $260k

Xelebes
Apr 20, 2007, 5:58 AM
See?? Buy them! When house prices go up they'll make money!!! :banana:

My family bought that house in Saskatchewan (6 bedrooms at the time) for 30,000. We added another room (portioned off a bit for the basement to make a new master bedroom) and sold it two years later. I don't think we made much of a profit but the maturation of the house would have made it more valuable by about 5,000 dollars. That house had a huge front yard and a massive backyard for a garden. I fondly remember hanging around the pea plants and eating the peas and then chewing on the pea pods.

WhipperSnapper
Apr 20, 2007, 3:25 PM
the house I grew up in in a streetcar suburb of Toronto was $37000 in 1970; $400000 in 1988; $250000 in 1995; $650000 in 2007. The value has basically plateau while the surrounding neighbourhood 'catch up' with double figure increases

Border City Boy
Apr 20, 2007, 6:13 PM
In reference to the market in the UK... When I was a kid we moved to London for a few years. My folks bought a Victorian Terrace near Clapham Common for £24,000 . That was in 1979, today similar houses in the neighbourhood sell routinley for £450,000 - £700,000! Now the only problem is that you can't make money unless you leave London. Even if you sold your house for maximum value, to move some where similar, you'll spend everything you just made.

Friends of the family have a similar house in a similar situation. The current house is 4 floors, 6 bedroom, etc.. They want to downgrade and move to a condo in Chelsea. When all is said and done, they hope to make a lateral move and break even.

If you moved there 20-30 years ago and bought when prices were low that's one thing. How can a new couple or a single person possible afford to purchase in an area like that? It's insane.

ReginaGuy
Apr 20, 2007, 6:26 PM
Id better stop renting and buy a house soon



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