[sactjs]

Found some cool pictures of Sacramento from years past from the California Archives.

4th and Capitol:
http://content.cdlib.org/ark:/13030/ft1c6003mj/hi-res



thanks for finding these and posting them - I love old pictures like this. Especially this one i quoted above. I work in the Wells Fargo building so it's cool to see what it used to be like. The only thing that didn't change is that tree on the corner - left side of picture. It's now gigantic and leaning towards the street enough to make me uncomfortable parking next to it. Thumbs up!:tup:

[BrianSac]

What's eerie about the Japantown photos is that all the stores are vacant with "For Rent" and "Clearance Sale" signs on them.

The first Japantown photo shows the kind of Sacramento urbanity that was pretty much destroyed by redevelopment: not the 8-story Paris photos shown a while back (Sacramento's population and land prices didn't make such things necessary) but a good example of ground-floor retail with residential above. Still plenty of examples of such housing in San Francisco but it's a rarity here except on stretches of J Street and 12th Street. Notice the wide variety of goods and services available within that one block: a market, a hotel (probably residential, considering its location,) two appliance shops, two drugstores, a hardware store, and so on.

I didn't use these photos, but I have a few like them of the old Japantown, including the Buddhist church, the Japanese hospital, a fish market and a few others.

wburg:
You need to get over the whole "redevelopment nightmare"; it happened; its gone. We can move forward with smart planning. Many German cities were obliterated in WWII, but were rebuilt to the same high density standards. Just send our leaders and politicians to SF for an education in what a city should look like in terms of ground-floor retail with residential above. Sacramento is capable of that type of density. Regarding Paris, you're just jealous. :)

Having said that, good historians that don’t distort the truth are hard to find, so thanks for your efforts in documenting and preserving Sacramento's past.

[wburg]

BrianSac: Part of "getting over" redevelopment is sharing what happened. It also helps pass along the idea that urban neighborhoods are places where families and communities lived in the past, and we can do so again. The purpose of urban redevelopment in mid-century was the polar opposite to post-WWII European development: instead of replacing destroyed neighborhoods with dense housing, they destroyed existing neighborhood and replaced them with business and government buildings, and displaced the occupants with little regard for where they would end up. Part of the process of urban revitalization is being aware of that mistake, and not repeating it. That whole "those who don't study history" type thing...

One thing I'm pretty happy about, as a historian, is that there has been a real surge of interest recently in local history, which is normally a sign of a tipping point in a city's awareness of itself. For a long time, people assumed that nothing of significance happened here since the Gold Rush or the completion of the Central Pacific, if they even knew about that: recent media like Ken Burns' "The War," KVIE's "Viewfinder" series, and, I'd immodestly suggest, the Arcadia books, have helped educate people that we do live in a historically significant place--and thus, a COOL place, a place where people want to live. It helps affirm my own long-held feelings about this city...and I suppose it doesn't hurt my book's sales, either.

[deeann]

Yes, the displacement of Japanese-Americans to internment camps went way beyond a "typical" redevelopment and is an ugly (and important) part of Sacramento and California history. Coincidentally, we (well, MoBS (http://www.myspace.com/moviesbigscreen) with the Del Paso Blvd Partnership) ran a documentary by local filmmaker Satsuki Ina (who was born in the Tule Lake camp) on this subject last month, From a Silk Cocoon (http://www.fromasilkcocoon.com/story.html) with guest speakers who went through it. One of them, Kiyo Sato (who was a student at Sacramento Junior College when WWII broke out) just wrote a book about her experiences, Dandelion Through the Crack (http://www.dandelionthroughthecrack.com/).

[wburg]

The redevelopment of the West End, Japantown, etcetera, occurred a decade or so after the Japanese Americans returned to Sacramento. The Japanese were displaced for a second time, as well as the African-American and Latino neighborhoods in redevelopment's path.

[deeann]

Sorry- I wasn't clear in the other message. Yeah- from everything I read, the buildings were still up for several years, and there was an attempt to restore Japantown when people were let out of the camps (and people did come back, though not nearly to the population levels of pre-war), but it was no longer the strong community it was before the initial relocation to internment camps. wburg, please fee free to correct any inaccuracies in the above. :)

[wburg]

You have it right: during the internment, a lot of the properties were sold or rented to others. African Americans who came to Sacramento during the war to work, and were prevented from living many places by racial exclusion laws, were among the folks who moved into the Japanese neighborhood. So, while the neighborhood was populated by even more people, it wasn't exclusively Japanese.

There's a very good book about Sacramento's Japanese community by Wayne Maeda: "Changing dreams and treasured memories: A story of Japanese Americans in the Sacramento Region." I used it for reference, in addition to information from Sacramento State's collection and the Sacramento Buddhist Church.

[TowerDistrict]

Neighbor gives loud bar an earful
By Lisa Heyamoto - Bee Columnist
Last Updated 12:38 am PDT Tuesday, October 16, 2007
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1

The party was starting to get going when the irritated neighbor planted
herself in front of Marcus Marquez. He needed to turn the music down,
she informed him. For crying out loud, she was trying to get some sleep.
That much was obvious to those who saw her, in a blue bathrobe and
slippers, telling Marquez what was what.

The only snag? She was doing it at 9:30 p.m. On a Saturday night.

To the owner of L Wine Lounge & Urban Kitchen, in the middle of a throng
of revelers dressed to the nines at the midtown bar for Second Saturday.
Never mind that the noise level was legal and that a clause in her lease
says that, because she signed up for mixed-use living, she must save her
complaints until midnight. Marquez knew this was an argument he was not
going to win.

"We always thought of ourselves as an extended living room," Marquez
said, having smiled his way through the elegantly-delivered tirade. "But she
might have taken it too far."

Let's just hope he never runs out of sugar.

[ozone]

That's funny. What silly person. Although I wouldn't want my pool and balcony to be so public. It doesn't help that the patio is so bare. It would help a lot (visually if not audibly) if they added a lot more plantings.

Once at an event a bunch of us remarked how the L Bar blew it by focusing on the back patio and not having sidewalk dining along L street. The street facade is nice but the interior is like stock Berlin'r government housing. The bottom line: the lady is nuts.

[wburg]

Doesn't sound so different from what happened in San Francisco when lofts started going into the SoMa clubs area, or the response of the new residents at 21st and L to the existence of The Distillery: they move downtown into a neighborhood with lots of nightclubs, and then complain about the noise.

[ozone]

Well my friend said that he thinks it's the same woman who's been calling the fire department out for really dumb reasons. Humm.. whatda bet she's one of those who live in the forced "affordable" units? Anyway the article implied but didn't state the obvious- namely that she's a nut job.

[innov8]

For those of you with a lot of time on your hands to kill.

City Assault http://www.cityassault.com/CITY%20ASSAULT.html
Next Scheduled City Assault:
Sacramento, CA
November 17th 2007

Q: What is the gist of the game?

A: Assassinate (using water guns, water balloons, super soaker, etc.) your target any way you can...do not forget however that you are a stealth assassin...not a barbarian! Soaking a large crowd "in hopes" to get your target is not welcome! You must accurately shoot to kill your target only!

[kryptos]

What about your would be assassin...can you take them out too? or just your target?

[neuhickman79]

Not sure if anyone noticed....but, Sacramento has been updated on Google Earth. I was poking around and noticed some things. First, I noticed some great colors that seemed to be faded and less 3-dimensional before. Then, I noticed Capital Village under construction. Then, I went straight downtown and realized that they had the remains of 301 CM, 621 CM topped out, and 500 CM u/c. So, yeah...I'm a BIG dork and know my city well. It might not be exciting to some. But, it is to me and I thought it'd be exciting to you all, too!!!

[neuhickman79]

I was reading sacbee.com Business section today and came upon a fun tidbit. The USAA Real Estate Company (the parent company, USAA, happens to be my employer...the best employer in the world!) is the top bidder for Renaissance Tower (also known, according to the Bee and others, as the Darth Vader Building). Perhaps, but not likely, my husband and I are in for a move in the coming years to a downtown office. Anyway, I thought I'd be a proud employee and share the news with you all! :)

[innov8]

^ I would think it's more likely that USAA Real Estate Company would buy the
Renaissance Tower as an investment rather than to move it's operations into the tower.
The tower is around 90% full with tenants and unless USAA plans to open up a
small satellite branch in the tower, I don't see them kicking out several of
the large state agencies that fill the tower right now.

[innov8]

I thought this was a pretty cool new magazine... I guess there's not enough room yet for both Comstock and Prosper to turn a profit.

Prosper to halt magazine publication
By Adam Weintraub and Melanie Turner of The Sacramento Business Journal

Friday, November 2, 2007

Prosper magazine, launched in 2004, will halt publication of a printed edition, but the Prosper Media Group business will continue in some form online, company executives said.

The December issue will be the last. There was no answer at the Prosper office to a phone call Friday afternoon, and the magazine Web site still invited readers to subscribe to 12 issues for $12.

"The economic model that we had running here with Prosper, both Prosper Media and the print publication, just wasn't working," said majority owner Mike Teel in a videotaped statement dated Nov. 1 and posted on the prospermag.com Web site. "And what we needed to do was eliminate the pressure of the ongoing business to give us the time and platform to rethink the model. ... We're laying off all employees. We've given them a great severance package."

The company did not disclose how many employees were laid off or the specifics of the severance package.

Teel said Sacramento-based Prosper Media would "meet all of our obligations as a business" and is current on most payments. "We want to bring an end to this business and then go on in a virtual realm." The Prosper brand will continue, Teel said, on an Internet platform. Executives now are working through two possible business models, he said, and will make an announcement on the future of the business once they've worked through both strategies.

Teel, an heir of the family that built Raley's Inc. of West Sacramento, and Sacramento River Cats owner Warren Smith are major financial backers of Prosper.

The move comes less than a year after the appointment late in 2006 of several executives at Prosper, including a new editor-in-chief. Two top managers had resigned last fall and the company announced plans to position itself as a national media player.

Reached at his home in Rescue, former editor-in-chief Jeffrey Young said the layoffs took place Thursday. Prosper employed about a dozen people, including seven full-time editorial employees, said Young, a former Forbes magazine editor hired in December to head Prosper's editorial staff.

The December issue has gone to press and is expected to be Prosper's last. But Young said the magazine's fate is uncertain, and the print edition could make a comeback as early as next spring. "There's a possibility we may resurrect it and move the magazine to the Bay Area," where there are more readers and advertising dollars, he said.

"One of the real problems with the Sacramento marketplace is that it's too small to attract first-tier national advertisers," Young said. "You're stuck in a small market with an inability to get access to the media buyer decision-makers."

He said revenue was growing at Prosper, but the magazine was not generating enough return on equity. The problem, he said, is the small pool of business-publication advertisers. Prosper has a circulation of 30,000 per issue.

Scott Doniger, vice president of marketing and circulation, confirmed that Prosper is "reviewing opportunities that would make sense in the print world," but he declined to offer specifics. He said prospermag.com would continue in some form. "We want to try to stay a step ahead of where the market is moving, particularly the market for business news and for businesses that are looking to promote themselves," Doniger said.

[neuhickman79]

Not to open a can or anything...but, that homeless camp on N B St looks like Rwanda or something. It's shameful. I'm no expert on the homeless. But, it seems to me that it's time to reopen the institutions. It's very sad.

[TowerDistrict]

I thought they were just people waiting for the Bass Pro Shop to open...

sorry.

Actually the City just ordered them to leave. Here's the article...

City orders homeless to abandon tent city
By Jocelyn Wiener - jwiener@sacbee.com
Last Updated 11:47 pm PST Saturday, November 3, 2007
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1


http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2007/11/03/19/349-7M4NOTICE.embedded.prod_affiliate.4.JPG
Irunmole Ibabatunde, 80, holds up a letter ordering homeless people to vacate Union Pacific railroad property near 7th and B streets in Sacramento. Advocates for the homeless say the ban on illegal camping is unfair, since affordable housing and homeless shelter space are in short supply. Paul Kitagaki Jr. / pkitagaki@sacbee.com


Residents of an informal tent city that has cropped up on a vacant field along North B Street in recent months are packing up their campsites this weekend, saying city and railroad police have threatened them with citation and loss of their belongings if they do not leave by early Monday morning. About 60 tents remained in the dusty Union Pacific lot Saturday morning; homeless campers said some of their neighbors already had moved on in search of new sites.

Advocates for the homeless – and the homeless themselves – say enforcement of the city's illegal-camping ordinance is unfair in the face of an affordable housing shortage and inadequate shelters.

"All the shelters have wait lists," said 30-year-old Terri Jennings, who had come to the field with her husband a few days earlier after being run off another spot. "They're hurting more homeless than they're helping out here."

Mark Merin, an attorney who filed a lawsuit in August challenging the city's and county's illegal-camping laws, said Sacramento should consider the example of the city of Los Angeles. In April 2006, the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that citing people for illegal camping when the city was so short on shelter beds amounted to "cruel and unusual punishment." Los Angeles currently has a moratorium on such citations. Merin said he asked Union Pacific to allow the homeless to stay – and to provide portable toilets.

"If there's no other place for our homeless guests to go, a tent city seems to be a temporary solution," said Sister Libby Fernandez, director of Loaves & Fishes, one of three organizational plaintiffs named in the lawsuit.

Matt Young, a Sacramento police spokesman, said he was unaware of the encampment – which is about a mile from the downtown courthouse. "The city Police Department is dedicated to working with the homeless to the best of our abilities," he said, adding that private property owners are well within their rights in asking people to leave. Several homeless people said Saturday that city police officers, in an effort to help, had moved them to the field after they were forced to vacate another spot along the railroad tracks.

Originally, they said, there were just a dozen or so campers, but over the months the numbers in the field have swelled. For the most part, said 41-year-old Will Williams, the site is self-regulating. If people want to vent anger by yelling or getting into fistfights, they may be allowed to do so. But if things get out of hand, others will intervene to calm things down.

"Everybody respects everybody else," he said.

While relatively quiet, the site has no toilets and little trash pickup. Most people say there has been at least one fire – some say it was intentionally set, others say it resulted from a poorly tended barbecue. Certain tents do a steady business in crack and methamphetamine sales. Many people complained that a few troubled people have ruined the situation for the rest of them.

"If somebody around here screws up, we all pay," Williams said.

The residents of the field are a motley crew – disabled veterans, addicts, parolees, people with mental health problems and those – like 30-year-old Andrena Gonzales – who are simply down on their luck. Gonzales said she lost her job at an AM-PM two years ago after missing a mandatory safety meeting. She's been on the streets for a year and seven months. Her belly is swollen – she and her boyfriend, Jeff Bachelor, are expecting a baby early next year. The couple still didn't know Saturday where they were going to camp next. Bachelor had already stashed two sleeping bags in a locker at Loaves & Fishes in case they lose the rest of their belongings.

Irunmole Ibabatunde, who said he was 80 years old, unfolded a wrinkled copy of a flier handed out by police last Wednesday, telling people to move on. He'd crumpled it in frustration. Five months ago, Ibabatunde had set up his tent alongside those of a few friends, mostly veterans from Vietnam and the first Iraqi war, waiting for pensions to come through. He said they'd been camping in the field with no real problems. Residents of each cluster of dusty tents kept to themselves. Then somebody came and cut down the trees along North B Street, exposing the encampment.

"Only thing I can do is what they tell me – find a spot," he said. "I don't want to get in no friction with the law."

Around him, his traveling companions were dusting off their sleeping bags, folding up comforters and preparing to move on to another field.

[urban_encounter]

Well my friend said that he thinks it's the same woman who's been calling the fire department out for really dumb reasons. Humm.. whatda bet she's one of those who live in the forced "affordable" units? Anyway the article implied but didn't state the obvious- namely that she's a nut job.

While i support including an affordable housing component (albeit not as much as 20%) to projects which recieve city subsides (or redevelopment dollars), i agree 100% with what you just said. Unfortunately many people who are recieving subsidized housing (and that's really what it is), tend to be goofy at times.. If she doesn't like it they should help her find another place away from the hustle and bustle of midtown...

The purpose of these kinds of infill projects is first and formost to invigorate the area. If in the process they help those who are disadvantaged to integrate into the fabric of a changing central city; then great. But certainly no one goofball (whether in an affordable or market rate apartment) should be allowed to dictate the pace of that part of midtown.

[ozone]

Yes I too am all in favor of affordable housing, however, not so much in favor of subsidized cuz thats what you get.

BTW I've meet Mr. Irunmole Ibabatunde, 80 (from the homeless article above). He is a mean, racist @#$@^& who goes around yelling that he hates white people. I'm becoming less and less tollerant of the homeless the more familiar I'm with them. It's not PC or "kind to say" but most I've met (and not just a couple of times in passing but day in and out) are real as*holes. It does not surprise me that they are homeless. It's not just that they are addicts-many are just plain bad people.

Obviously I'm not some guilt ridden Land Park matron who volunteers at Loaves & Fishes once a week to ease my conscious and make me better about my comfortable lifestyle. I actually have to 'live' with them everyday -not just on 'good samaritan' day.

[SactownTom]

From the Bee article:

"While relatively quiet, the site has no toilets and little trash pickup. Most people say there has been at least one fire – some say it was intentionally set, others say it resulted from a poorly tended barbecue. Certain tents do a steady business in crack and methamphetamine sales. Many people complained that a few troubled people have ruined the situation for the rest of them."


It seems that whenever you have a big flock of sheep, there's going to be a few wolfs. Why doesn't the City and the outreach providers do more to put the wolfs out of business?

[ozone]

"It seems that whenever you have a big flock of sheep, there's going to be a few wolfs. Why doesn't the City and the outreach providers do more to put the wolfs out of business? "

Why? Because there's more wolfs than sheep my friend. It's a lie that it's only a few bad apples. Most of these people are bad apples. They've burned so many bridges that no one will help them out. I'm sorry but the city should not be the business of helping out the homeless. If 'do good'ers' want to take them on that's fine but tax dollars in any form should not go to a bunch of irresponsible shisters who have laid their sh*t on everyone else. Most have made a choice. Very few homeless are really in transition -meaning they've just had a bit of bad luck (if you believe there is such a thing-I don't) and are not intending to get off the streets.

BTW before you call me ignorant and heartless let me tell you I have 3 friends who have been homeless (briefly) and still managed to find a job on their own while homeless. I've also worked at a homeless mission for years in the 80's and have helped out many over the years. Also I have a number of friends who are ex-junkies so I understand that issue as well.

[SactownTom]

I'm not saying that there's only a few bad apples. Trust me, I'm no fan of the "homeless". I guess the point I'm trying to make is that when you have such a large group of folks hanging out doing drugs, someone is close by selling it to them. It says right there in the article that there are well known tents within the encampment where you can buy crack and speed. Why hasn't the police done anything about this?

If there was a well known crackhouse in one of our neighborhoods, I would hope the police would do something about that. What's the difference if it's a well known cracktent .

[urban_encounter]

Since i've been in Chciago I've fallen behind on some projects.

Can somebody expalin what the state is asking for in terms of development proposals? Have they scrated the West end project completely?

Are they now asking for a total of 1.7 million square feet of office space and who are the developers bidding on this project?

Couldn't CIM/Cal Pers propose something at 301 CM?

[innov8]

If you go to the Sacramento Construction Thread on page 87 you be able to
read what the latest is on the West End Project.

As for 301CM, were all waiting patiently for CIM/CalPERS to propose
something... it could be sooner than later, I predict will see something by spring.

[urban_encounter]

If you go to the Sacramento Construction Thread on page 87 you be able to
read what the latest is on the West End Project.

As for 301CM, were all waiting patiently for CIM/CalPERS to propose
something... it could be sooner than later, I predict will see something by spring.

Thanks Mike..

You could be right about the proposal coming as early as Spring. It would probably still take a year to work any proposal through to approval, which might mean that they would be ready for construction by mid or late 2009.

And construction a year or more beyond that to 2011. Sacramento's housing slump should be corrected by then..

[urban_encounter]

Here it is folks, see it while it lasts, because tomorrow night the lights will probably be out again. The Federal Building illuminated, (probably for Veterans Day)............:cheers:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b147/urban_encounter/downtowncam_640x480.jpg
(From the KCRA 3 Tower Cam)

This is my favorite building (when illuminated at night), but it went dark after 9/11.

I actually sent a letter (no I have nothing better to do with my off time) to Doris Matsui to see if they would start illuminating the building again.

That was over a year and a half ago...

[ltsmotorsport]

I hope someone is taking pictures tonight. This is great to finally see the courthouse lit up again.

To the feds: Please keep them on!

[urban_encounter]

I hope someone is taking pictures tonight. This is great to finally see the courthouse lit up again.

To the feds: Please keep them on!



I hope Mike is out there snapping a few photos.....


:fingerscrossed:

(But I'll be shocked if the Feds keep the lights on after tonight)..

[innov8]

I thought about getting out there Jim, but I was being social with my family.
I'm going to try to remember that the Fed Court bldg. gets lit up on some federal
Holidays so that hopefully I'll catch it next time.

[TowerDistrict]

Maybe a custodian flipped the light switch on accident?

I've actually never seen the building lit up in the years I've lived here.
Shame I didn't notice last night..

[TWAK]

Yeah I noticed that too. Good thing I drive back from work around 10:30 pm so I see the skyline at night as well.
I always notice that almost none of the buildings have lights on, instead of other cities like New York or Chicago. If the Wells Fargo is gonna have that huge spotlight, why not just turn it off and turn on the lights for every other floor?
I just wish they would keep the dam Zuggratt lit up as well.

[jsf8278]

FYI...I was at the Target on Broadway today and at the Walmart in Natomas and there were kids trying to get people to a sign a petition to "stop government eminent domain abuse." When I inquired about the petition the teenage girl said, "I’m not really sure, I’m just doing this to get paid, ya know."

My guess is Mo Mohanna is behind this. Just thought I would share my experience with you all.

[TowerDistrict]

nice strategy. maybe the city can get a group of handicap girl scouts to rally
for public support of redevelopment efforts?

[innov8]

You guys are giving Mo way to much credit. This is the third year an initiative
like this has been circulating, the last two years it did not get enough signtures.
Below is what's currently circulating.

1251. (07-0018)
Eminent Domain. Acquisition of Owner-Occupied Residence. Constitutional Amendment.
Summary Date: 7/5/07 Circulation Deadline: 12/03/07 Signatures Required: 694,354
Proponent: Christopher K. McKenzie, Susan Smartt and Kenneth Willis c/o Steve Lucas (415) 389-6800

Bars state and local governments from using eminent domain to acquire an
owner-occupied residence, as defined, for conveyance to a private person
or business entity. Creates exceptions for public work or improvement, public
health and safety protection, and crime prevention. Summary of estimate by
Legislative Analyst and Director of Finance of fiscal impact on state and
local government: The measure would likely not have a significant fiscal
impact on state or local governments. (Initiative 07-0018.) (Full Text (http://ag.ca.gov/cms_pdfs/initiatives/2007-05-14_07-0018_Initiative.pdf))

[TowerDistrict]

heh.. no, i was just playing along. i remember the talk of this when the city
decided to proceed with the 700/800 block plans. of course it didn't get that
far then, but now i kinda wish it did...

[neuhickman79]

Check out Congressional Quarterly's "City Crime Rankings: Crime in Metropolitan America". It's embarassing that we're #41. BUT, a LOT of that is property crime. If we're looking at violent crime, we're probably pretty low compared with other cities! But, anyway, #41! WOW! This is NOT the city I grew up in!!!

On another note, I'm not sure if anyone here likes Ani DiFranco. I happen to love her. Anyway, she has a song on her new cd "Canon" called "Subdivision". It is AWESOME and talks about the state of big cities because of white flight and such. I think it should be the theme of skyscraperpage.com. The last line is "America the Beautiful is one big subdivision". Very profound!

[urban_encounter]

Check out Congressional Quarterly's "City Crime Rankings: Crime in Metropolitan America". It's embarassing that we're #41. BUT, a LOT of that is property crime. If we're looking at violent crime, we're probably pretty low compared with other cities! But, anyway, #41! WOW! This is NOT the city I grew up in!!!

I actually thought #41 wasn't that bad.

Especially (as you noted) that most of the crime in Sacramento is property crime..

[neuhickman79]

I actually thought #41 wasn't that bad.

Especially (as you noted) that most of the crime in Sacramento is property crime..
The problem is (and the study is being HEAVILY criticized for this) that the study doesn't differentiate. Also, Sacramento is higher on the list than HOUSTON (#44), Las Vegas (#58), Phoenix (#64), LOS ANGELES (#135), and NEW YORK CITY (#237). Unfortunately, this makes Sacramento look very dangerous and IT'S NOT!! Anyway, luckily, I haven't seen too much media attention on this and there has been no mention of Sacramento's ranking. I had to dig for it all myself. Also, the average person doesn't look at this. So, it shouldn't make a big difference. Hopefully, the recent increase in crime is due to desparation on the part of the poor and minorities because we have such a horrible president and a government that is oblivious and apathetic to the plight of inner city America. Which means, in a few years it will get better (hopefully)! If anyone doesn't believe me, there was a recent study that came out that said that ONLY 1 in 4 blacks in America feels like they are better off than they were 5 years ago and only 44% feel like it's going to get better.

Study: Black pessimism worst since 1980s
(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21775438/)

[urban_encounter]

The problem is (and the study is being HEAVILY criticized for this) that the study doesn't differentiate. Also, Sacramento is higher on the list than HOUSTON (#44), Las Vegas (#58), Phoenix (#64), LOS ANGELES (#135), and NEW YORK CITY (#237). Unfortunately, this makes Sacramento look very dangerous and IT'S NOT!!


Good point..

[Nawlijispower]

Check out Congressional Quarterly's "City Crime Rankings: Crime in Metropolitan America". It's embarassing that we're #41. BUT, a LOT of that is property crime. If we're looking at violent crime, we're probably pretty low compared with other cities! But, anyway, #41! WOW! This is NOT the city I grew up in!!! !


I dont know about other areas. but where I live (Fruitridge and 65th, Fruitridge and Power Inn, anywhere south of Hiram Johnson High School on the 65th corridor) I can totally believe this study. In the past 4 years I personally know of at least 30+/- times people on my street have had there vehicles vandalized. In the past 10 years just my house has had 11 stolen cars and roughly 20 break ins. I know Sacramento has BEAUTIFUL neighborhoods like Elmhurst, Woodlake, Mckinley Park, Fab40s, River Park, Etc. but when they do these studies, they look at Avondale, Oak Park, Lemon Hill, Franklin Villa, Del Paso, Etc.

Just my :2cents:

[brandon12]

^If I were you, I would lay in wait with a shotgun. seriously. A man has a right to protect his home and property.

[urban_encounter]

^If I were you, I would lay in wait with a shotgun. seriously. A man has a right to protect his home and property.



I was thinking the same exact thing as I was reading his post.

They may have had 20 successful break ins; but they wouldn't get 21.

[Nawlijispower]

I was thinking the same exact thing as I was reading his post.

They may have had 20 successful break ins; but they wouldn't get 21.

Im sorry for the misinformation on my part. I meant break ins on our vehicles. Not on my house. If my house was the case the first time would be the last. For the record we have only had 2 attempted break ins on my house.

[reggiesquared]

I dont know about other areas. but where I live (Fruitridge and 65th, Fruitridge and Power Inn, anywhere south of Hiram Johnson High School on the 65th corridor) I can totally believe this study. In the past 4 years I personally know of at least 30+/- times people on my street have had there vehicles vandalized. In the past 10 years just my house has had 11 stolen cars and roughly 20 break ins. I know Sacramento has BEAUTIFUL neighborhoods like Elmhurst, Woodlake, Mckinley Park, Fab40s, River Park, Etc. but when they do these studies, they look at Avondale, Oak Park, Lemon Hill, Franklin Villa, Del Paso, Etc.

Just my :2cents:

Yeah it would not be a very credible report if they didn't look at the rough areas. I mean, just because they are rough areas doesn't mean they aren't inside the city limits. I think when you look at Sac proper on a big map, chances as you can take a big sharpie and outline all the ghettos then look at what's left. Not much.

[TowerDistrict]

Yeah, I wouldn't call Sacramento a "safe" place really. I think the central
city areas get a bad rap for crime and violence that isn't deserved at all...
but some of the suburbs around here are notorious.

Though it's really not a good way to feel better about yourself - look at
Oakland and Richmond in at #4 and #9 respectively. What's up with the
town? That's really bad.

[TowerDistrict]

Few waves with mayor at the helm
By Marcos Bretón - mbreton@sacbee.com
Published 12:00 am PST Wednesday, November 21, 2007
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1 (http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/508157.html)


Heather Fargo is the perfect politician for Sacramento. It's no wonder she
appears headed for easy re-election as mayor next June.

How would one campaign against her?

She has no soaring political triumphs to her name. But she's not doing a
bad job, either. She's not beloved, but neither is she riddled with enemies.
She's not charismatic, but she is very nice. Fargo loves Sacramento, and
is a big booster for its downtown. She's anti-politician, very inclusive.
She still sees herself as a neighborhood activist – an important distinction
in this town.

Like it or not, the preservation of Sacramento's distinctive neighborhoods is
the central issue for those who participate in local politics.

Even though Sacramento is a big city – with big-city problems – many here
harbor a desire to keep Sacramento small, uncomplicated, tree-lined. It's a
boat that doesn't want to be rocked.

If Sacramento were a guy, you'd call him Even Steven.

How Even Steven is Fargo? She has all of $5,000 in her campaign war chest
right now, according to the latest figures kept by the city clerk.

Make that $5,181, to be exact. Such a pittance seems like walking-around
money for local titans such as developer Angelo K. Tsakopoulos. That's
probably what Mort and Marcy Friedman – owners of the Arden Fair mall –
give out to charities every hour on the hour.

It's quite a statement in a city this large.

Then you meet with Fargo, and it's impossible not to like her. And feel
empathy. Fargo is very public about having multiple sclerosis. She speaks
openly about how her condition has progressed, how it used to be relapsing
and remitting, but now there are no reprieves.

"I'm at the point where the damage that's been done pretty much affects
my walking every day," Fargo said. "As far as I know, I've had no cognitive
issues. It hasn't affected my speech or my vision. Where the lesions are on
my brain and spinal column, it (affects) my hips and legs."

Can one assess Fargo as a politician without seeming callous or unkind? Are
potential Fargo opponents afraid to find out?

For the sake of this column, Fargo is taken at her word: She says she's
ready to campaign and take whatever comes her way, like anyone else.

When asked about her primary accomplishments, she said: "The
relationship the city has with other cities in the region. I work very hard
with West Sacramento on waterfront issues, with Yolo County on flood
issues ... There is a high level of cooperation on the council."

"We've made progress on downtown, on K Street, on the waterfront ...
We've made so much progress on the levees we've been able to work on.
We do have a majority of the city out of the floodplain now ... I feel good
that I know as much as I know about flood control."

On all of these issues, Fargo speaks of "moving forward" and having "more
work to do." She's all about the process.

Is Fargo's work worthy of respect? Yes. Are there signature accomplishments
to rally behind? Sort of. Are there positive changes downtown in which city
staff has played as big a role or bigger than Fargo and her council? Yes.
Would Sacramento benefit from a vigorous mayor's race with major issues
looming such as increased crime and the development of the downtown
railyard? Yes.

But that likely won't happen, and it's not Fargo's fault. It's apparently the
way you want it to be.

[DALINSAC]

Progress on K street? lol

Anyway, I think Fargo's heart was always in the right place. I always have. I just think she just does not know how to go about in getting it done right. It would be of our best interest for her step down and let someone else spearhead the future of Sacramento City. I think she really wanted to make the difference, just didn't work for her. or, us.

[Majin]

Give me about 10-15 years and I'll be rocking the political boat big time here. Damn, why do I have to be so young?

Don't we have quite a few "seasoned" members on this board that share our common views? Why don't any of you guys run for Mayor in the mean time while I get my career out the way? It's almost a free win against Fargo.

[TowerDistrict]

I think she made a big difference, actually. I think this whole city is better
aligned for future growth. The planning and development and general plan
policies will take this city where it needs to go.

With that said - better policy doesn't mean more action. I think Sacramento
would be better served to hand over the reigns to a more bullish leader.

Her stamp has been made on the city. But it's time to move on, in my opnion.

[TowerDistrict]

Give me about 10-15 years and I'll be rocking the political boat big time here. Damn, why do I have to be so young?

Don't we have quite a few "seasoned" members on this board that share our common views? Why don't any of you guys run for Mayor in the mean time while I get my career out the way? It's almost a free win against Fargo.

Did you ever sign up for the City's Management Academy (http://www.cityofsacramento.org/city-management-academy/)?

[ltsmotorsport]

Few waves with mayor at the helm
By Marcos Bretón - mbreton@sacbee.com
Published 12:00 am PST Wednesday, November 21, 2007
Story appeared in METRO section, Page B1 (http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/508157.html)

She has no soaring political triumphs to her name. But she's not doing a
bad job, either. She's not beloved, but neither is she riddled with enemies.
She's not charismatic, but she is very nice. Fargo loves Sacramento, and
is a big booster for its downtown. She's anti-politician, very inclusive.
She still sees herself as a neighborhood activist – an important distinction
in this town.

It's this apathetic attitude that is ruining this city. It really seems like the people in Sacramento either follow the mayor like sheep, or are just too lazy enough to care. There seemed to be none of this attitude when Serna was mayor.

[ozone]

Fargo has not been good for Sacramento. I think much of the positive changes we have seen are the result of the city manager not the mayor.
Remember the Natomas community plan was Mrs. Fargo's baby and she was Natomas' representative and the mayor during all that anti-urban type development. Who besides the developers is most responsible for that mess? Fargo is just not much of presence in this town. This is exactly the time for a dynamic, highly visible, agressive head of city.

Hey Hey..Ho Ho Fargo's got to GO!
Fire Fargo '08

[TowerDistrict]

Plan to build large state office building near Capitol scuttled
By Mary Lynne Vellinga - mlvellinga@sacbee.com
Published 4:49 pm PST Monday, November 26, 2007 (http://www.sacbee.com/749/story/522402.html)

The state budget crisis slammed the Sacramento region Monday with the announcement that the competition to build
one of the largest state office projects in history would be canceled.

Local development firms have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars preparing bids to build a new 1.4-million-
square-foot headquarters for the state Resources Agency somewhere within three miles of the state Capitol.

Doug Button, deputy director of the state Department of General Services, said in a prepared statement that the
department had "determined that it is not in the best interests of the state and the parties concerned to continue with
a project of this magnitude during this period of financial uncertainty when funds have not been allocated."

Button said the state would continue to work toward "securing a new home for the Resources Agency," perhaps by
seeking funding through the Legislature. But that doesn't help the Sacramento developers who have been working
feverishly to meet the early January timeline for the current competition to win the right to build a new headquarters
and lease it to the Resources Agency.

"I'm very disappointed that the administration, having made the decision to ask business people to submit proposals,
has now decided to change its mind and tell them despite all the money they've spent, forget it," said Assemblyman
Dave Jones, D-Sacramento.

[urban_encounter]

:previous:

Figures..

[neuhickman79]

It's worth fighting for, I guess! :)Docks developers to pursue state land in middle of project
Sacramento Business Journal - by Michael Shaw Staff writer


Developers of the 1,000-home mixed-use project along the riverfront known as The Docks say they plan to work through the State Legislature to obtain crucial state land that sits in the middle of the project.

The California Department of Parks and Recreation has said that it may need to keep the land after its plans for a new railroad museum in the downtown Sacramento railyard were called into question by developer Thomas Enterprises Inc.

The state said the riverfront land would be a valuable place to store and repair trains, should there not be enough room within The Railyards, which is Thomas Enterprises' plan to redevelop the railyard. The city of Sacramento had been working on a plan for pedestrian walkways, homes, shops and office buildings for the site.

"I'd hate for our project to go away," said Bethany Fischer, project manager for Kenwood Investments, who said that the company plans to meet with legislators next year to discuss ways to keep the land transfer moving forward.

In the meantime, negotiations between the state and Thomas Enterprises continue over the use of hisotric buildings within the railyard for museum uses.

[urban_encounter]

It's worth fighting for, I guess! :)

In other words Kenwood Investments, isn't about to let some politcal stooge in the state parks department put their investment at risk.

I doubt that they're going to be pushovers.

[ltsmotorsport]

Good for them. This whole situation reminds me of the stunt Cal Trans pulled with 500 CM. Who the hell is hiring all these douches?

[neuhickman79]

WAY off topic...but, Edie Lambert and Van Nuys Assemblyman Lloyd Levine are engaged (he's WAY HOT!). They make an attractive couple!
http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:e2Hz8wMa6MdiTM:http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2007/07/11/20/705-4W12LEVINEC.embedded.prod_affiliate.4.JPG

http://www.kcra.com/2007/0208/10964891_240X180.jpg

[Phillip]

WAY off topic...but, Edie Lambert and Van Nuys Assemblyman Lloyd Levine are engaged (he's WAY HOT!). They make an attractive couple!

Edie Levine...doesn't have the same ring. Congratulations anyhow.

So when are Dave and Lois going to retire?

[neuhickman79]

Edie Levine...doesn't have the same ring. Congratulations anyhow.

So when are Dave and Lois going to retire?
NEVER! They're like the stars of the show! I love those two! Lois gets a little cranky sometimes. But, I like their banter and I like Dave's little corny jokes. They have personality. Try watching Channel 13's news! That's like watching a High School News Show. It's disgusting! 10 is okay. But, I'm loyal to 3! Edie, Deirdre, Lois, Dave, Mark, and the whole lot of them! :)...OH!..and Adrienne Bankert...DIVA!!!! Love her, too!!

http://www.kcra.com/2006/1109/10277300_320X240.jpg

[SactownTom]

Bring Back Bette Vasquez!!!!


LONG LIVE SWEATY BETTE!

[urban_encounter]

NEVER! They're like the stars of the show! I love those two! Lois gets a little cranky sometimes. But, I like their banter and I like Dave's little corny jokes. They have personality. Try watching Channel 13's news! That's like watching a High School News Show. It's disgusting! 10 is okay. But, I'm loyal to 3! Edie, Deirdre, Lois, Dave, Mark, and the whole lot of them! :)...OH!..and Adrienne Bankert...DIVA!!!! Love her, too!!

http://www.kcra.com/2006/1109/10277300_320X240.jpg


I agree..

Sacramento is lucky to be a top twenty market, so they actually get pretty decent talent in town.

But there's few news anchors of the caliber of Dave and Lois.

[cozmoose]

KCRA's sports coverage SUCKS!

[Phillip]

NEVER! They're like the stars of the show! I love those two! Lois gets a little cranky sometimes. But, I like their banter and I like Dave's little corny jokes. They have personality. Try watching Channel 13's news! That's like watching a High School News Show. It's disgusting! 10 is okay. But, I'm loyal to 3! Edie, Deirdre, Lois, Dave, Mark, and the whole lot of them! :)...OH!..and Adrienne Bankert...DIVA!!!! Love her, too!! I wasn't asking when Dave and Lois will retire because I want them to...they're the best. Just idle curiosity if they had a plan.

When I was living in Sac and had out of town visitors I used to make them sit down and watch 30 minutes of Dave and Lois. That was part of the Sacramento tour as much as Sutter's Fort or Old Sac.

And yes...Adrienne Bankert is good too. I keep on wondering why they don't give her something more to do than traffic. She seems sharp.

[arod74]

Its funny how people develop a loyalty to certain local news stations. Growing up my family was also loyal KCRA3 viewers. Presently, I usually watch channel 10 and 40. I think 10's production and anchors are better though I still watch 3 from time to time to watch Dave and Lois because they broadcast in hi-def and Bankert and the weather hottie Jovora (I think thats her name) look espaecially good in 1080i. For the limitations that 40 has to work with, I think they do a decent job but the Fox tie in's for American Idol and other Fox shows turn me off quite a bit. Still I really like their anchor's and you can't beat Jim Crandell..

[neuhickman79]

I wasn't asking when Dave and Lois will retire because I want them to...they're the best. Just idle curiosity if they had a plan.

When I was living in Sac and had out of town visitors I used to make them sit down and watch 30 minutes of Dave and Lois. That was part of the Sacramento tour as much as Sutter's Fort or Old Sac.

And yes...Adrienne Bankert is good too. I keep on wondering why they don't give her something more to do than traffic. She seems sharp.

I think she does weekend anchoring.

[Pistola916]

I love Jim Crandell. The cry baby of the week segment is cool.

[urban_encounter]

Tesco planning Fresh & Easy store in Fairfield
By Jon Ortiz - jortiz@sacbee.com
Published 1:47 pm PST Friday, November 30, 2007


British grocery giant Tesco PLC, which has already made waves with the small-format Fresh & Easy stores it debuted in Southern California and Las Vegas earlier this month, has applied for a liquor license for a store in Fairfield.

That signals Northern California's tumultuous grocery industry is in for more shakeups with what will likely be dozens of non-union Fresh & Easy stores reaching for shoppers who buy food at traditional supermarkets and big box stores.

"I can confirm that we're looking at a number of locations in Sacramento," said Brendan Wonnacott, a spokesman for the chain. "But there's nothing firm to announce. We're still in the early stages."

Tesco has already opened 15 stores in Las Vegas and the Los Angeles area. Another 35 will open by February. No date has been announced for the Fairfield store.

[innov8]

There's a map on the SacBee.com site that shows the current amount
of for foreclosures in the Sacramento region.

Current Totals as of today
Sacramento: 4031
Citrus Heights: 366
Folsom:116
Fair Oaks: 95
Elk Grove: 983
Rancho Cordova: 222
Carmichael: 117
Orangevale: 104
Ganite Bay: 0
El Dorado Hills: 86
Cameron Park: 38
Placerville: 45
Auburn: 35
Roseville: 285
North Highlands: 251
Rio Linda: 85
West Sacramento: 183

Search here: http://projects.scoopytube.com/foreclosures/map.html

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/8782/forclosure07bu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[neuhickman79]

Good Morning, Sacramento! :D
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2072/2088570673_705f1a17fc_o.jpg
from KCRA 3's Towercam on 10th and C

[brandon12]

^OMG, that has to be about the coolest shot of sac that I have ever seen. Thanks for sharing neuhickman79 :)

[sugit]

Wow..that's a bitchin' shot there.

[Phillip]

Impressive photo, neuhickman. Sacramento looks like it's on another planet.

[sugit]

That shot made me think of this though....:(

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5348/70929541ez6.png

[TowerDistrict]

^^^ that's why i didn't say anything. oh well

on the bright side, most of our lil towers poke through the fogline there.

[neuhickman79]

^OMG, that has to be about the coolest shot of sac that I have ever seen. Thanks for sharing neuhickman79 :)
See, you've never seen that before (neither have I, for the record!)...Channel 3 really is where the news comes first! :D (scroll to the top of the page). ;)

[arod74]

Ah yes, imagine if you had a nice highrise condo. On days when everyone else is mucking around in the fog you could sit on your balcony and enjoy the sunshine with some coffee... sigh

[neuhickman79]

Ah yes, imagine if you had a nice highrise condo. On days when everyone else is mucking around in the fog you could sit on your balcony and enjoy the sunshine with some coffee... sigh
That would be amazing!!! I love this city with or without the Towers. But, they sure would have been nice! :)

[brandon12]

I used to wonder if I'd sometimes be above the fog line on the 44th floor... :(

[neuhickman79]

I used to wonder if I'd sometimes be above the fog line on the 44th floor... :(
If the Metropolitan goes through, are you considering buying a unit?

[urban_encounter]

^OMG, that has to be about the coolest shot of sac that I have ever seen.

Why is that? Because most of the city isn't visible???

:haha:

[Majin]

If the metropolitian goes through I'll be buying a unit.

[neuhickman79]

That towercam shot from channel 3 was cool. But, on KCRA WeatherPlus Mark Finan shows a time lapse video and it was SOOOOO friggin' cool!!! The clouds ebbed and flowed and looked like ocean waves on the skyline. It was AMAZING!! Check it out!!

[doriankage]

Good Morning, Sacramento! :D
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2072/2088570673_705f1a17fc_o.jpg
from KCRA 3's Towercam on 10th and C


Wow, Sacramento never looked so beautiful! Just imagine if all the high rises planned were built... Awe, what a wonderful dream!

[doriankage]

That towercam shot from channel 3 was cool. But, on KCRA WeatherPlus Mark Finan shows a time lapse video and it was SOOOOO friggin' cool!!! The clouds ebbed and flowed and looked like ocean waves on the skyline. It was AMAZING!! Check it out!!

I tried looking for it and couldn't find it.

[Pistola916]

I love that pic of the fog rolling throw downtown.

BTW, Marilyns on K on Friday will be hosting a night of tribute in memory of the death of the great John Lennon from 8pm-10pm. There will be a tribute band afterwards and also prize giveaways.I believe theres a 10 dollar cover. Go check it out!

[wburg]

According to the city council's agenda, it looks like the city will be buying the roughly triangular lot right next to the Bee Bridge on 19th and Q (there used to be an electrical transformer there) and turning it into a park. It's an interesting space: it used to be the center of a "wye" where Western Pacific trains left the WP mainline (the one between 19th and 20th) and the Whitney Avenue industrial switching branch (the alley between Q and R.) Also interesting (to a local historian, at least) is that the block across the street (Q from 19th to 20th) was once a city park, known as "Richmond Grove," until the WP put their mainline through it in the early 20th century.

I think the city also plans to add the corner where the transformer was (currently owned by SMUD) to the park space. Should make for a nice little corner. The city Parks Department has been discussing ways to build "pocket parks" in small spaces within the downtown area, and I guess this will be one of their pilot projects.

[SacTownAndy]

Not sure if anyone noticed, but the CA DOF released their population estimates for 7/1/2007. Here's Sacramento's new CSA number:

Provisional
July 1, 2007

Sacramento...................1,415,117
Placer.............................329,818
Yolo................................197,530
El Dorado.........................178,689
Nevada.............................99,587
Douglas, NV.......................45,909 (based on US Census 2006 Est)

TOTAL...........................2,266,650

YOY Growth: 1.42%



10 Largest CA Counties, 7/1/2007

1. Los Angeles.............10,294,280
2. San Diego.................3,120,088
3. Orange.....................3,098,183
4. Riverside...................2,070,315
5. San Bernardino...........2,039,467
6. Santa Clara...............1,820,176
7. Alameda....................1,530,620
8. Sacramento...............1,415,117
9. Contra Costa.............1,044,201
10. Fresno.......................923,052

[Majin]

Think we'll pass Alameda by the 2010 census?

[neuhickman79]

Think we'll pass Alameda by the 2010 census?
I don't see how they could grow anymore. We may.

[innov8]

Uh, not good for our local job base or state of the McClatchy Co.


McClatchy's Miami Herald taps India workers
Sacramento Business Journal

Friday, December 28, 2007

The McClatchy Co. is moving more newspaper jobs to Asia with a decision to outsource some work from The Miami Herald to a company in India, the Associated Press reported Friday.

It's the second such move this month for the Sacramento-based newspaper publisher (NYSE: MNI); The Sacramento Bee also is moving some advertising production work to India.

The Herald, McClatchy's second-largest newspaper by average weekday circulation and largest by Sunday circulation, will begin sending copy-editing and design work in a weekly section of community news and of some special advertising sections to Mindworks Global Media, based in New Delhi, the AP story reported. Executive Editor Anders Gyllenhaal told the news organization that Mindworks also would monitor reader comments on online stories, and that the program was being tested so no decision has been made on whether Florida jobs would be affected.

[Michael Kramer]

Not sure if anyone noticed, but the CA DOF released their population estimates for 7/1/2007. Here's Sacramento's new CSA number:

Provisional
July 1, 2007

Sacramento...................1,415,117
Placer.............................329,818
Yolo................................197,530
El Dorado.........................178,689
Nevada.............................99,587
Douglas, NV.......................45,909 (based on US Census 2006 Est)

TOTAL...........................2,266,650
YOY Growth: 1.42%



10 Largest CA Counties, 7/1/2007

1. Los Angeles.............10,294,280
2. San Diego.................3,120,088
3. Orange.....................3,098,183
4. Riverside...................2,070,315
5. San Bernardino...........2,039,467
6. Santa Clara...............1,820,176
7. Alameda....................1,530,620
8. Sacramento...............1,415,117
9. Contra Costa.............1,044,201
10. Fresno.......................923,052

The US OMB officially added the Yuba City MSA to the CSA, renaming it, Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba City, CA-NV CSA. So here is the new total with that.

Sacramento...................1,415,117
Placer.............................329,818
Yolo................................197,530
El Dorado.........................178,689
Nevada.............................99,587
Douglas, NV.......................45,909 (based on US Census 2006 Est)
Sutter..............................92,715
Yuba................................70,053

TOTAL...........................2,429,418

I have to laugh at Arden-Arcade being in the name since it has virtually no civic identity or even recognized by the post office as an address designation.

Since Elk Grove is the second largest city in the MSA, it should read, Sacramento-Elk Grove-Yuba City, CA-NV CSA

[urban_encounter]

The US OMB officially added the Yuba City MSA to the CSA, renaming it, Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba City, CA-NV CSA. So here is the new total with that.

Sacramento...................1,415,117
Placer.............................329,818
Yolo................................197,530
El Dorado.........................178,689
Nevada.............................99,587
Douglas, NV.......................45,909 (based on US Census 2006 Est)
Sutter..............................92,715
Yuba................................70,053

TOTAL...........................2,429,418

I have to laugh at Arden-Arcade being in the name since it has virtually no civic identity or even recognized by the post office as an address designation.

Since Elk Grove is the second largest city in the MSA, it should read, Sacramento-Elk Grove-Yuba City, CA-NV CSA



It will soon enough when the name is officially changed to the

Sacramento, Dixon, Elk Grove, Roseville, Folsom, Galt, Yuba City, Marysville, Arden-Arcade, Curtis Park, Citrus Heights, Antelope, Truckee Ca-NV CSA

[TWAK]

nah Dixon wont happen. Dixon is in the Vallejo-Fairfield and the San Fran MSA/CSA thingies.
Should just be Sacramento, CA CSA or something. It would make the city seem bigger :-D

[neuhickman79]

The US OMB officially added the Yuba City MSA to the CSA, renaming it, Sacramento-Arden Arcade-Yuba City, CA-NV CSA. So here is the new total with that.

Sacramento...................1,415,117
Placer.............................329,818
Yolo................................197,530
El Dorado.........................178,689
Nevada.............................99,587
Douglas, NV.......................45,909 (based on US Census 2006 Est)
Sutter..............................92,715
Yuba................................70,053

TOTAL...........................2,429,418

I have to laugh at Arden-Arcade being in the name since it has virtually no civic identity or even recognized by the post office as an address designation.

Since Elk Grove is the second largest city in the MSA, it should read, Sacramento-Elk Grove-Yuba City, CA-NV CSA

As far as I know, the CSA cities are the biggest job centers in the region in order of jobs. I could be wrong. But, I swear I read that somewhere!

[econgrad]

I am way confused at something. What and where exactly is Arden-Arcade?
I am reading what I can, but I guess I never realized it is being considered not Sacramento?!

Edit: OK, I read the Wikipedia on this Arden-Arcade (CDP). I never knew, I always assumed that was all Sacramento city.

[Michael Kramer]

I am way confused at something. What and where exactly is Arden-Arcade?
I am reading what I can, but I guess I never realized it is being considered not Sacramento?!

Edit: OK, I read the Wikipedia on this Arden-Arcade (CDP). I never knew, I always assumed that was all Sacramento city.

That's why this whole incorporation effort is stupid IMHO! My grandparents moved to "Arden-Arcade" in 1950 from midtown. My grandfather told me that the "old-guard" in Sacramento felt that the natural northern boundry for Sacramento was the American river. Development happed out there anyway, largely to the job base at McClellan. There were several efforts to annex the area to Sacramento, all of them failed. The last effort was in 1960. Most of the old-timer anti-city people have passed on. The incorporation effort is by a few people looking for local control. they failed or refused to consider the option of annexing to Sacramento.

I am convinced that the incorporation will fail for the following reasons:

1..Unlike, Citrus Heights, Elk Grove, Rancho Cordova, Carmichael, Fair Oaks and North Highlands...Arden-Arcade has no civic identity.

2. Many people living in Arden-Arcade are unaware that they are not really part of Sacramento even though they have a Sacramento address.

3. The area is divided. Many people are questioning cityhood and suggesting that annexation to Sacramento is a better solution.

4. Sacramento is finally looking at annexation of unincorporated areas like Fruitiridge-South Sacramento, Rosemont and Arden-Arcade.

I personally feel that the county should not be in the municipal service business. Either there should be wide spread city/county consolidation (failed in 1974 and 1990) or complete annexation to cities.

[doriankage]

That's why this whole incorporation effort is stupid IMHO! My grandparents moved to "Arden-Arcade" in 1950 from midtown. My grandfather told me that the "old-guard" in Sacramento felt that the natural northern boundry for Sacramento was the American river. Development happed out there anyway, largely to the job base at McClellan. There were several efforts to annex the area to Sacramento, all of them failed. The last effort was in 1960. Most of the old-timer anti-city people have passed on. The incorporation effort is by a few people looking for local control. they failed or refused to consider the option of annexing to Sacramento.

I am convinced that the incorporation will fail for the following reasons:

1..Unlike, Citrus Heights, Elk Grove, Rancho Cordova, Carmichael, Fair Oaks and North Highlands...Arden-Arcade has no civic identity.

2. Many people living in Arden-Arcade are unaware that they are not really part of Sacramento even though they have a Sacramento address.

3. The area is divided. Many people are questioning cityhood and suggesting that annexation to Sacramento is a better solution.

4. Sacramento is finally looking at annexation of unincorporated areas like Fruitiridge-South Sacramento, Rosemont and Arden-Arcade.

I personally feel that the county should not be in the municipal service business. Either there should be wide spread city/county consolidation (failed in 1974 and 1990) or complete annexation to cities.

I grew up in Rosemont (Rosewood Dr.) and always thought of it as Sacramento. I would rather have them do it than Rancho!