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Onn
Jun 20, 2011, 10:12 PM
I'm really liking the cladding too. It's definitely shinyer than what we were lead to believe, but I wouldn't say that's a bad thing. There might be a hint of the 80s in there, I don't know. If there is that could also mean its just ahead of its time. All great design tends to be just that. I really like it so far, although I haven't seen it in person. :)

Traynor
Jun 20, 2011, 10:14 PM
The vision glass is quite transparent on that one floor. Is that because the ones above are actually opaque and covering mechanical and the main office floors will be like the transparent floor OR is the rest of the tower going to be mirrored like most of that cladding and that one floor is just an anomaly?

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Jun 20, 2011, 10:15 PM
The vision glass is quite transparent on that one floor. Is that because the ones above are actually opaque and covering mechanical and the main office floors will be like the transparent floor OR is the rest of the tower going to be mirrored like most of that cladding and that one floor is just an anomaly?

The lobby will have transparent glass while the office floors will have ultra reflective glass.

Traynor
Jun 20, 2011, 10:30 PM
I was referring to the different levels of transparency of the first few floors.

http://i.imgur.com/vtRk2.jpg (http://imgur.com/vtRk2)
(Close-up from above image)

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Jun 20, 2011, 10:53 PM
I was referring to the different levels of transparency of the first few floors.

http://i.imgur.com/vtRk2.jpg (http://imgur.com/vtRk2)
(Close-up from above image)

That floor will be a part of public space(lobby/atrium) thus the justification to be distinctive from the rest of the floors. Though the rest of the floors wont follow that pattern they will be mirrored.


this is that floor specifically

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78077888/large.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78077888/large.jpg

heres some more renderings.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331757/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331757/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331757/medium.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331757/medium.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66546859/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/66546859/original.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146504/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/85146504/original.jpg

http://buildipedia.com/images/masterformat/Channels/In_Studio/Ground_Zero_WTC_Progress/Tower_4/Tower_4_Maki_and_Associates_02.jpghttp://buildipedia.com/images/masterformat/Channels/In_Studio/Ground_Zero_WTC_Progress/Tower_4/Tower_4_Maki_and_Associates_02.jpg

The Grand Architect
Jun 20, 2011, 10:58 PM
Are these glass panels like a one-way-mirror?

Traynor
Jun 20, 2011, 10:58 PM
^Cool! Thanks SoNY, that makes it all much clearer.

:cheers:

Alliance
Jun 20, 2011, 11:03 PM
^^^ The upper floors will have the ultra reflective glass. The clear glass I beleive was unique only to the base and that 1st floor where it is already.

In what way? It looks like a glass facade,no different from Lever House or any other all glass facade that was ever built.

...:haha:. Yeah. This is just I dont even.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Jun 20, 2011, 11:13 PM
^^^ The upper floors will have the ultra reflective glass. The clear glass I beleive was unique only to the base and that 1st floor where it is already.



...:haha:. Yeah. This is just I dont even.

Elaborate,if you think it looks 80's what makes you say that?

The Grand Architect
Jun 21, 2011, 2:23 PM
For those of you who are wondering how fast the glass are installed, you should check out this timelapse video I posted on the Museum and Memorial thread.

The video focuses on the Memorial, but you can see the progress for 4WTC very clearly on the upper right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ6CAwQEkBY

I apologize if the video is short, it was only a timelapse covering construction progress of 6 hours.

animatedmartian
Jun 21, 2011, 10:58 PM
Phillip Kalantzis Cope (http://www.flickr.com/people/kalantziscope/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3115/5853316369_37bf9fe0ab_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalantziscope/5853316369/)


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2770/5853319687_2916803393_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalantziscope/5853319687/)


http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2536/5853876558_442cd799b5_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalantziscope/5853876558/)


http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5114/5853322847_6ffa3e6beb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalantziscope/5853322847/)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2712/5853304555_4c8b222fc1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalantziscope/5853304555/)

in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3026/5857452401_33febf6cb9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/5857452401/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5228/5857992074_d8df3a3edf_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/5857992074/)


:slob:

hunser
Jun 25, 2011, 1:52 PM
http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/world_trade_center_tower_76774.aspx


*The following information was last updated on June 24, 2011.

Steel is now above floor 37; concrete above floor 29
Curtain wall installation began in late April 2011 on the west side
Concrete pours, fireproofing and masonry underway
Below-grade mechanical work underway
Elevator shaft work underway
Two cranes are now active at the site
The tower's substructure reached grade in mid-November 2009

NYguy
Jun 27, 2011, 6:05 PM
From Gothamist.com (Jake Dobkin)...

http://gothamist.com/2011/06/27/exclusive_world_trade_center_progre.php#photo-1

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18589/1503871.jpg

jackster99
Jun 27, 2011, 7:45 PM
:previous:
With each new picture the new WTC complex looks increasingly more beautiful. And I know its been sad before, but wow the glass on building 4 sure is reflective. Its like looking in a mirror; just stunning.

animatedmartian
Jun 28, 2011, 6:12 AM
From DinoVabec at SSC

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6631/photo8jn.jpg

http://img862.imageshack.us/img862/7100/photo9tn.jpg

http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/9803/photo10q.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/7783/photo11xh.jpg

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/1692/photo12qy.jpg

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/2104/photo13ogs.jpg

http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/5876/photo14qk.jpg
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=80389956&postcount=1758

patriotizzy
Jun 28, 2011, 5:50 PM
What the heck are those white things taking up half the windows? On the last set of pictures.

Onn
Jun 28, 2011, 6:00 PM
What the heck are those white things taking up half the windows? On the last set of pictures.

Air Vents. ;)

animatedmartian
Jun 28, 2011, 8:08 PM
Yep, and there's going to be 7 floors of them on all three sides except the front. (before anyone freaks out).

http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/2489/3414tower4rendering.jpg
http://www.wtc.com/media/images/d/34_14_Tower4_Rendering.jpg

Anyone know how the podium is coming along? It'd be cool to have a few pictures from the Trinity/ Liberty Street intersection.

Patapsco
Jun 28, 2011, 11:36 PM
June 28, 2011
20th floor of seven world trade

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5028/5882168875_8dd27974f1_b.jpg

NYguy
Jun 29, 2011, 12:24 AM
restlessuniverse (http://www.flickr.com/photos/restlessuniverse/5875829850/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3019/5875829850_595f91bb4f_b.jpg

NYguy
Jul 1, 2011, 5:12 AM
Clip from today...(June 30, 2011)


vzPocbDvpfY

animatedmartian
Jul 1, 2011, 8:27 PM
June 30th.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5063/5889815802_254c948809_b.jpg

in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

JayPro
Jul 1, 2011, 8:34 PM
June 30th.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5063/5889815802_254c948809_b.jpg

in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

Where did the micro-setbacks come in? What corner of the building are we looking at? Thx

Alliance
Jul 1, 2011, 8:42 PM
Too bad those air vents arent going up the entire side of the building. Its nice to see something in this complex that has visual interest again.

animatedmartian
Jul 1, 2011, 9:03 PM
Where did the micro-setbacks come in? What corner of the building are we looking at? Thx


S.W. Corner. The setbacks start where the mechanical floors end.

NYguy
Jul 1, 2011, 10:10 PM
Too bad those air vents arent going up the entire side of the building.

They are a nice touch. This building for me is what skyscrapers are all about.


JUNE 30, 2011

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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18581/1514282.jpg


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http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18581/1514283.jpg


26. Happy 4th of July Weekend!

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/18581/1514284.jpg

JayPro
Jul 1, 2011, 11:45 PM
S.W. Corner. The setbacks start where the mechanical floors end.

I knew about the big ones up there. I just noticed that what I thought were mini-setbacks was the illusion of uninstalled windows.

brenGT2
Jul 1, 2011, 11:54 PM
I still can't get over the reflective mirror-like quality of the glass. When I was in New York, they had only just started installing the first line of glass along the west wall, and it was difficult to get a feel for how it would look. Now that there is an appreciable amount up, the glass looks absolutely stunning!

CalibratedZeus
Jul 2, 2011, 3:19 AM
July 1, 2011

1.
http://calibrated.99k.org/NYC/1501.jpg
2.
http://calibrated.99k.org/NYC/1508.jpg
3.
http://calibrated.99k.org/NYC/1509.jpg
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http://calibrated.99k.org/NYC/1502.jpg
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http://calibrated.99k.org/NYC/1503.jpg
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http://calibrated.99k.org/NYC/1504.jpg
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http://calibrated.99k.org/NYC/1505.jpg
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http://calibrated.99k.org/NYC/1506.jpg
9.
http://calibrated.99k.org/NYC/1507.jpg

So....pics are being kind of testy on showing up, here is my host site if someone wants to get them on here somehow if they stop showing up....http://calibrated.99k.org/

yankeesfan1000
Jul 2, 2011, 11:50 AM
Was biking down 5th Ave yesterday after I'd been outa town for a couple weeks and didn't realize that this will loom over 5th. Should be a really impressive site to look down the endless street wall of 5th Ave and then see a nearly 1,000 foot office building looming over it.

I'll try and snap a photo in the next few days just to get a different perspective.

sterlippo1
Jul 2, 2011, 1:08 PM
the glass looks absolutely stunning!

it certainly does

hunser
Jul 2, 2011, 8:53 PM
http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/world_trade_center_tower_76774.aspx

*The following information was last updated on July 1, 2011.

Steel is now above floor 37; concrete above floor 29
Curtain wall installation began in late April 2011 on the west side
Concrete pours, fireproofing and masonry underway
Below-grade mechanical work underway
Elevator shaft work underway
Two cranes are now active at the site
The tower's substructure reached grade in mid-November 2009

animatedmartian
Jul 3, 2011, 12:54 AM
July 1st.

agreatbigcity (http://www.flickr.com/people/agreatbigcity/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6046/5891888937_aafd51636f_b.jpg

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5234/5891888927_d089ddb22f_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6024/5891888921_8cd343f8a8_b.jpg

NYguy
Jul 4, 2011, 5:46 AM
328DLCR (http://www.flickr.com/photos/60713648@N03/5897095502/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5317/5897095502_2b19670231_b.jpg

Servo
Jul 8, 2011, 12:35 AM
Core platforms and a lone column are up.

cityenthusiast
Jul 8, 2011, 3:57 AM
god i love this building its such a stunning design

animatedmartian
Jul 10, 2011, 1:03 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6008/5919303747_7aee16aecd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/seiyastar/5919303747/)
seiyastar (http://www.flickr.com/people/seiyastar/)

CoolCzech
Jul 10, 2011, 2:48 PM
I always said the success of this building depended almost entirely on the quality of the materials used. Judging by the glass, I'd say this tower will be quite successful, indeed!

lakegz
Jul 10, 2011, 3:55 PM
So far I love the cladding. Im assuming this tower is going to look like a stoic knight in shining armor. What mystique and class!

steveve
Jul 10, 2011, 4:29 PM
7 WTC vs 4 WTC... who would win? :shrug:

Traynor
Jul 10, 2011, 4:50 PM
7 WTC vs 4 WTC... who would win? :shrug:

Is it a Beauty Contest or a Wrestling Match?

I think 7 may win the Beauty contest. I like 4's cladding, but the chunky and awkward asymmetrical setback up top, mars its perfection.

However, 4 would win in a Wrestling match, handsdown! I mean look at it! It is bottom heavy and has a good 20 floors on 7. No contest!

:haha:

steveve
Jul 10, 2011, 7:03 PM
Is it a Beauty Contest or a Wrestling Match?

I think 7 may win the Beauty contest. I like 4's cladding, but the chunky and awkward asymmetrical setback up top, mars its perfection.

However, 4 would win in a Wrestling match, handsdown! I mean look at it! It is bottom heavy and has a good 20 floors on 7. No contest!

:haha:

yeah, i agree with the 4WTC setback, it's just awkward how the bottom half is so bulky... I wish they'd put the setback lower down (to balance it out), or have another major setback. 4WTC is the least attractive out of the other new WTC towers (or at least the one that looks most out of place), or the most conservative,
honestly, i wish this tower was slimmer,

hunser
Jul 10, 2011, 7:51 PM
^^ to exaggerate, it's either massive bulkiness or tall spire in nyc, there's nothing in between lol. :haha:

NYguy
Jul 11, 2011, 1:45 PM
Per_karlsson (http://www.flickr.com/photos/per_karlsson/5916752016/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6136/5916752016_d237c03938_b.jpg

animatedmartian
Jul 12, 2011, 6:41 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6016/5930040455_f456e1a720_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/terryballard/5930040455/)
terryballard (http://www.flickr.com/people/terryballard/)

http://cdn.globest.com/media/newspics/nyc_4wtctour.JPG
http://www.globest.com/news/1953_1953/newyork/311963-1.html

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Jul 12, 2011, 9:58 PM
More steel went up today,unfortunately i wasn't able to take any pictures.

Traynor
Jul 12, 2011, 10:25 PM
There's always the standby HD webcam view:

http://i.imgur.com/p8OEe.jpg (http://imgur.com/p8OEe)

http://i.imgur.com/zVWjf.jpg (http://imgur.com/zVWjf)
(Screen captures from the KPI TV HD webcam found here: http://evsdatacenter.netfirms.com/kpitv/silver.htm )

Alliance
Jul 13, 2011, 12:00 AM
Its nice to finally see this one break the skyline from my bedroom.

Roadcruiser1
Jul 13, 2011, 3:44 AM
Four World Trade Center is already massive at street level even though it's just poking at Lower Manhattan's skyline right now. I haven't been there for 1 month, but from street level that building was a monster then. I think this monster has became way bigger now. Must be a killer from street level now, and I can't wait to see how big it is once it's complete.

animatedmartian
Jul 13, 2011, 4:26 PM
hoveringcheesecake (http://www.flickr.com/people/34471641@N07/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6008/5915787781_02b21ca901_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34471641@N07/5915787781/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5313/5915790821_bc9790eb05_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/34471641@N07/5915790821/)

Might be a little dated.

nycdagreatest
Jul 14, 2011, 12:42 AM
Here's some pics I took of 4WTC

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6121/5934982157_7df5a3840c_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6021/5935539928_f915bdfc49_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/5935524916_6a160562a3_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6002/5935535204_7962fa49df_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6138/5935530696_5d4a8bf208_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6131/5935544970_efd422492a_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6003/5934967867_62565784e4_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6006/5935526666_c8f9967523_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/5934987071_398b360ecc_b.jpg

meh_cd
Jul 14, 2011, 4:20 AM
Might be a little dated.

Maybe. But no one else has a picture of Tower 4's unofficial mascot. That I've seen anyway. :cool:

NYguy
Jul 16, 2011, 1:54 PM
Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/5941698865/sizes/z/in/photostream/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6133/5941698865_c60165db1e_z.jpg



http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6133/5941698865_c60165db1e_b.jpg

The Grand Architect
Jul 16, 2011, 1:58 PM
The tower reached it's halfway point this week.

My first render of the 4WTC lobby:

http://www.bluemelon.com/photo/36444/1552103.jpg

animatedmartian
Jul 17, 2011, 4:57 AM
From lofter1 @ WNY.

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/4%20WTC/110715_4WTC_03.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/4%20WTC/110715_4WTC_04.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/4%20WTC/110715_4WTC_05.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/4%20WTC/110715_4WTC_06.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/4%20WTC/110715_4WTC_07.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/4%20WTC/110715_4WTC_08.jpg

http://i130.photobucket.com/albums/p242/Lofter1/WTC/4%20WTC/110715_4WTC_10.jpg


http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207&p=369343&viewfull=1#post369343

Troubadour
Jul 17, 2011, 6:34 PM
Will the bulkiness serve a security purpose - i.e., make it more resistant to collapse in the event of significant structural damage?

photoLith
Jul 17, 2011, 6:40 PM
Wow, this got really tall really quick.

NYguy
Jul 18, 2011, 11:41 AM
This building is turning out to be even more stunning than I thought.


Stuartist (http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartist/5946068648/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6148/5943128827_0ba760fc92_z.jpg



Suzanne Tiedemann (http://www.flickr.com/photos/suzanne_tiedemann/5943905510/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6125/5943905510_672161ff2d_b.jpg



http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6014/5943894670_35e177a768_b.jpg

The Grand Architect
Jul 19, 2011, 8:20 PM
Those air vents on the south side of the facade are almost completed. According to the last photo, there are 6 floors already covered with them. Just 1 more to go and then resume on the regular glass.

NYguy
Jul 21, 2011, 3:35 AM
While one 900 footer rises for Silverstein, another one slumbers - until it too begins the climb up Manhattan's skyline...

joshua.winata (http://www.flickr.com/photos/joshuawinata/5943281302/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6121/5943281302_df487c0762_b.jpg

animatedmartian
Jul 21, 2011, 9:40 AM
You can see the east facade near the bottom of the picture.
http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6809/27910525068168494443320.jpg
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=250681684944433&set=a.205589489453653.54016.204143246264944&type=1&ref=nf

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/340/27920725093931158533720.jpg
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=250939311585337&set=a.216782151667720.62968.204143246264944&type=1

Mindrelic photography (http://www.facebook.com/Mindrelicphotography)

Traynor
Jul 21, 2011, 8:20 PM
Oooohhh! New steel today.

http://i.imgur.com/alE4H.jpg (http://imgur.com/alE4H)
(Closeup of screen capture from KPI TV HD webcam found here: http://evsdatacenter.netfirms.com/kpitv/silver.htm )

The Grand Architect
Jul 21, 2011, 11:03 PM
I really like those "criss cross" support beams on the north side of the tower. Too bad they're going to be covered with the mirror-like glass, barely being able to see them afterwards. Take a good look at it now before the facade rises on the north side.

davidinasia
Jul 23, 2011, 3:22 PM
I really like those "criss cross" support beams on the north side of the tower. Too bad they're going to be covered with the mirror-like glass, barely being able to see them afterwards. Take a good look at it now before the facade rises on the north side.

It's funny, but I was going to ask if they would rush to cover those beams up before the 9/11 anniversary, because they are kind of odd looking. It seems that for whatever reason, the west side cladding is way ahead of the north side. And I assumed that one reason was the greater complexity of attaching mounting brackets on the north side, because of those same irregular beams.

Recall, according to info posted on this thread previously, the X-beams were not part of Maki's design. They were put in because of the unevenness of the Manhattan bedrock; by shifting the columns over several feet, they put the structural load onto more solid ground.

The Grand Architect
Jul 24, 2011, 5:40 PM
It's funny, but I was going to ask if they would rush to cover those beams up before the 9/11 anniversary, because they are kind of odd looking.

Yeah, I didn't like it back then, but now that the tower got alot taller, it looks nice. I mean hey, it looks better than having 4 identical vertical columns going up and down on the side of the tower.

Also, another reason why I liked them is because 3WTC's X bracing appears to be removed in the latest renders. Because of this, I was hoping 4WTC's "criss cross" beams can fill in the spot. It's the closest we'll get to 3WTC's X bracing. (If it gets removed, of course).

animatedmartian
Jul 25, 2011, 1:02 AM
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brian.odonnell20
Jul 25, 2011, 1:18 AM
Yeah, I didn't like it back then, but now that the tower got alot taller, it looks nice. I mean hey, it looks better than having 4 identical vertical columns going up and down on the side of the tower.

Also, another reason why I liked them is because 3WTC's X bracing appears to be removed in the latest renders. Because of this, I was hoping 4WTC's "criss cross" beams can fill in the spot. It's the closest we'll get to 3WTC's X bracing. (If it gets removed, of course).

hate to be so argumentative, but the "criss cross" beams of 4wtc will have such an infintesimal effect compared to the x bracing of 3wtc, and to be honest will not come close in any way, imo of course.

The Grand Architect
Jul 25, 2011, 1:27 AM
hate to be so argumentative, but the "criss cross" beams of 4wtc will have such an infintesimal effect compared to the x bracing of 3wtc, and to be honest will not come close in any way, imo of course.

Well duh obviously. But at least we have something. You can't argue with this can you?

davidinasia
Jul 25, 2011, 4:25 PM
hate to be so argumentative, but the "criss cross" beams of 4wtc will have such an infintesimal effect compared to the x bracing of 3wtc, and to be honest will not come close in any way, imo of course.

Or they might not have any effect at all, if the beams are hidden by the cladding. And if the north side glass has the same optical qualities as the west side glass, then they probably will be. Maybe at certain times of day, or from the inside looking out, you could tell that they are there, but otherwise not.

Which means the criss cross beams might end up being the answer to a trivia question. Or one of those "little known details" that guides talk about on architecture tours. ;) Anyway the good point is, we will probably know the answer to this question soon, one way or the other, because it's likely that they will install that glass in the next couple of months.

RoldanTTLB
Jul 25, 2011, 9:34 PM
The glass on the mechanical floors is backed. You will not ever see the columns below the first office floors that start at the notch on either side of the tower.

The Grand Architect
Jul 25, 2011, 10:16 PM
The glass on the mechanical floors is backed.

Not just the mechanical floors, but all floors as well. These ultra reflective glass panels prevents anyone even up close to see the floor behind it.

Anyways, my newest render:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6125/5976028937_8ca58a3b7f_b.jpg

NYguy
Jul 26, 2011, 3:19 PM
JULY 24, 2011

Joining big brother on the skyline, this tower will be 977 ft of skyscraper goodness...

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animatedmartian
Jul 26, 2011, 5:17 PM
It's a perfect addition to the Liberty St. view. Thanks. :tup:

Onn
Jul 26, 2011, 5:46 PM
I approve! This is coming out nicely, I love the cladding! It's very futuristic.

Traynor
Jul 26, 2011, 6:09 PM
The vents on the lower mechanical floors of the South side give us a pretty good idea of what to expect for the vents on the upper floors of 1WTC. Very nicely done aesthetically and in keeping with the Neo-modernist theme. I like them.

uakoops
Jul 26, 2011, 8:15 PM
Those vent strips look really classy, like a pinstripe suit...

They are getting ready to move the third crane onto it's sliding platform. It looks like they are going to attach it to the platform, then just pull out the tower sections from underneath. Kewl....

MercurySky
Jul 26, 2011, 9:26 PM
Can someone please post a diagram comparison of this building next to Key tower in Cleveland my town? They are very similar sizes. I would appreciate it if possible.

NYC2ATX
Jul 27, 2011, 9:25 AM
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Aren't skyscrapers wonderful? :rolleyes:

hunser
Jul 27, 2011, 9:29 AM
^^ look here: http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=51528328

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Jul 27, 2011, 10:20 AM
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NYguy
Jul 27, 2011, 3:54 PM
It's quite possible this could be the best "looking" of the new towers. This one sets the standard higher for 2 and 3.

meh_cd
Jul 27, 2011, 4:55 PM
Really? The glass looks great up close, but from far away it changes quite a bit. I prefer Tower 1 myself so far. I think T2 may end up being my favorite if they keep the current design.

It'll be quite the interesting progression from Chase (1961) -> HSBC (1967) -> One Liberty Plaza (1973) -> 4 WTC (2012/13). Like a time machine!

animatedmartian
Jul 27, 2011, 7:16 PM
Heh, the tower looks sort of small in this shot.

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MercurySky
Jul 27, 2011, 11:23 PM
The glass looks the same as the others which is good.

NYguy
Jul 28, 2011, 4:39 PM
The glass on this one is better than the glass on the Freedom Tower. This building also has a better overall "crispness" to it. We'll have to wait to see what the glass really looks like on towers 2 and 3, although we've seen the mockup for T2 already. You need to see enough of it on the building to really get a sense of it.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Jul 28, 2011, 9:19 PM
The glass on this one is better than the glass on the Freedom Tower. This building also has a better overall "crispness" to it. We'll have to wait to see what the glass really looks like on towers 2 and 3, although we've seen the mockup for T2 already. You need to see enough of it on the building to really get a sense of it.


Can you please re-post Tower 2's mockup, i've seemed to have missed that.

RobertWalpole
Jul 29, 2011, 1:31 AM
I walked by today. t4 is very nice.

brian.odonnell20
Jul 29, 2011, 2:17 AM
nothing on this site is beating tower two, and that's the end of it.

NYguy
Jul 29, 2011, 5:38 AM
nothing on this site is beating tower two, and that's the end of it.

Well, I do hope you're right sir, because that will make tower 2 and amazing tower. The standards are high, and the challenge issued...:) This tower is begging to be my favorite for now, but we'll see what happens with the others.


Can you please re-post Tower 2's mockup, i've seemed to have missed that.

Here's the link...
http://www.wtc.com/media/videos/2%20WTC%20Curtain%20Wall%20Mock%20Up%20Review

NYguy
Jul 29, 2011, 5:48 AM
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Alliance
Jul 29, 2011, 6:20 AM
Its unfortunate the cladding is covering up the rather distinct structure underneath without even the slightest reference to it whatsoever.

CoolCzech
Jul 29, 2011, 3:29 PM
would you consider these "bland' and "featureless"?

http://www.weatherpattern.com/wp-content/uploads/lever_house_sm.jpg
http://www.weatherpattern.com/wp-content/uploads/lever_house_sm.jpg

http://www.archpaper.com/images/feature_03_05/pjohnson7.jpg
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http://sattlers.org/mickey/culture/memoriam/worldTradeCenter/images/wtc-before-penttbom.jpg
http://sattlers.org/mickey/culture/memoriam/worldTradeCenter/images/wtc-before-penttbom.jpg

Well, quite honestly... if THOSE aren't, WHAT IS??? :rolleyes:

No, really... post some pics of buildings you DO consider bland and featureless, and let's compare them to these.

NYCLuver
Jul 29, 2011, 3:31 PM
July 28th, 2011
(Humid, Hazy day, sorry for the not so clear pictures!)

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy111/DKNY618/IMG_2968.jpg
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SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Jul 29, 2011, 3:37 PM
Well, quite honestly... if THOSE aren't, WHAT IS??? :rolleyes:

No, really... post some pics of buildings you DO consider bland and featureless, and let's compare them to these.

hers bland and featureless.

http://www.unlikelymoose.com/blog/2008MMserverimages/concrete-building.jpg
http://www.unlikelymoose.com/blog/2008MMserverimages/concrete-building.jpg

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meh_cd
Jul 29, 2011, 3:49 PM
The glass on this one is better than the glass on the Freedom Tower. This building also has a better overall "crispness" to it. We'll have to wait to see what the glass really looks like on towers 2 and 3, although we've seen the mockup for T2 already. You need to see enough of it on the building to really get a sense of it.

I'm going to have to disagree. Up close, yes, Tower 4's glass looks FANTASTIC. When you look at it from afar, though, it looks kind of dark and bland. I will reserve judgment until the cladding is complete, though.

Tower 1, on the other hand, looks great all over. I just hope they don't goof up that podium.

I'm really looking forward to T2 as well. It'll be the "busiest" of the towers when it comes to the cladding.

CoolCzech
Jul 29, 2011, 4:08 PM
hers bland and featureless.

http://www.unlikelymoose.com/blog/2008MMserverimages/concrete-building.jpg
http://www.unlikelymoose.com/blog/2008MMserverimages/concrete-building.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/3222453844_40b0ccc958.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3337/3222453844_40b0ccc958.jpg

Expand out the first one to 110 stories and take a photo of it from across the the Hudson. It ain't gonna look much different from the old WTC.

STR
Jul 29, 2011, 6:59 PM
I'm going to have to disagree. Up close, yes, Tower 4's glass looks FANTASTIC. When you look at it from afar, though, it looks kind of dark and bland. I will reserve judgment until the cladding is complete, though

That's because, from far away, the viewing angles don't allow you to see anything other than A) the ground and B) the building across the street. Both of which are usually in shadow, since it's Lower Manhattan. Tower 1's curtain wall started several stories higher than this facade has even reached yet, and as such you see reflections of the sky and taller buildings that stick out of the canyons, giving it a false appearance of being lighter colored that 4, when in fact the opposite is true.

Up close/far away isn't really going to matter with this kind of cladding. It's a mirror with almost perfect reflections. The reflections aren't dimmed or color shifted. It will look nuts when done. The light colors will be brighter, and the shadows will be darker.

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Jul 31, 2011, 1:50 AM
Heres some pics i took from the 38th floor of the Marriott Hotel on West st. sorry for the bad quality.

http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/stuff/downsize3.jpg
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http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/stuff/downsize1.jpg?t=1312076786

Zapatan
Jul 31, 2011, 5:02 AM
I count 37 ish floors and the builidng is only around 500 feet tall if that. I think this tower might actually have 72 floors and not just as a made up number.

animatedmartian
Jul 31, 2011, 2:41 PM
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/5786/zscren285.png
http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/?cam=milleniumhilton1

If I'm looking at this graininess correctly then that should be cladding on the north side of the building. Also, are they not putting glass on the podium for the same reason the aren't putting it on the base of 1 WTC? To get stuff into the building or something?