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Alliance
Aug 1, 2011, 2:35 AM
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jackster99
Aug 1, 2011, 9:26 PM
Not sure if this will affect 4 WTC's progress or not.
http://blogs.wsj.com/metropolis/2011/08/01/world-trade-center-site-union-workers-stage-walkout/

NYCLuver
Aug 4, 2011, 2:59 AM
August 3rd, 2011

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STR
Aug 4, 2011, 6:25 PM
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THE BIG APPLE
Aug 4, 2011, 11:07 PM
curbed (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/page3/)

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WTCguy
Aug 5, 2011, 12:23 AM
:previous: Great pics!

STR
Aug 5, 2011, 1:09 AM
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animatedmartian
Aug 5, 2011, 11:50 AM
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mariadru (http://www.flickr.com/people/mariadru/)

You can see a tiny bit of 4 WTC starting to break the skyline. :previous:

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in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

davidinasia
Aug 5, 2011, 1:25 PM
August 3rd, 2011

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Well, there they go, caught in the act by NYCLuver, covering up those skewed X-columns on the north side. From the look of these shots, it seems I was right when I predicted that the skewed columns wouldn't be visible any longer after the glass was put on.

hunser
Aug 5, 2011, 3:38 PM
DER SPIEGEL (http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-71249-14.html)

http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-245350-galleryV9-vqkd.jpg

Das entstehende Hochhaus 4 WTC: Gesichtsloser Stahlklotz

they call 4WTC a "faceless steel chunk" :sly:

DER SPIEGEL should just ST*U! :cool:

STR
Aug 5, 2011, 4:07 PM
^Google translate came up with "Faceless Steel Block" which, since block=highrise, makes more sense given the context. But...I took Spanish in high school and college...so I'm not an expert here.

Anyway, more good stuff...
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/8890/t423.jpg

In case of stump...
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9606/t424.jpg

Onn
Aug 5, 2011, 5:15 PM
DER SPIEGEL (http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/fotostrecke-71249-14.html)

http://www.spiegel.de/images/image-245350-galleryV9-vqkd.jpg



they call 4WTC a "faceless steel chunk" :sly:

DER SPIEGEL should just ST*U! :cool:

Oh, and the Germans have produced some real masterpieces lately, haven't they? I'm sick and tired of Europeans constanly thinking they somehow know better when it comes to good architecture. :yuck:

Roadcruiser1
Aug 5, 2011, 5:59 PM
Europeans shouldn't be talking. They don't have any skyscraper right now that breaks the 1,000 foot mark unless if you count the London Shard which is still under construction, and it barely just makes it. If Europe wants to fight us then tell them to build a 2,000 footer. Otherwise Europeans are just a bunch of weaklings, and I am not counting the Eiffel Tower. To me that is just a steel lattice tower, and not an occupied skyscraper.

mac78130
Aug 5, 2011, 6:39 PM
First row of office glass
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Loqy Lion
Aug 5, 2011, 7:17 PM
Europeans shouldn't be talking. They don't have any skyscraper right now that breaks the 1,000 foot mark unless if you count the London Shard which is still under construction, and it barely just makes it. If Europe wants to fight us then tell them to build a 2,000 footer. Otherwise Europeans are just a bunch of weaklings, and I am not counting the Eiffel Tower. To me that is just a steel lattice tower, and not an occupied skyscraper.

No country should be telling America anything.

We were building 1,000 footers when Europe was plotting to blow each other up and the Asians were on the rickshaw.

Loqy Lion
Aug 5, 2011, 7:22 PM
In case of stump...

? Elaborate.

sask1982
Aug 5, 2011, 7:29 PM
? Elaborate.

If they cap Tower 3 off, and don't build the tower portion, that is what the view will look like.

JSsocal
Aug 5, 2011, 9:57 PM
The German article has every right to criticize the architecture of 4WTC, Europeans for the most part build much nicer buildings then we do, its just they don't build too many highrises, (and when they do they are top notch nowadays). From an architectural standpoint 4 WTC is kind of a faceless building, and neither architecturally significant or for that matter interesting. I appreciate it for its minimalism, but I think another high profile architect like KPF, Richard Meier, or Renzo Piano might have come up with something better. But imagine if Morphosis, Jean Nouvel, or Rem Koolhaus had taken a crack at this building, that'd be something...

Loqy Lion
Aug 5, 2011, 11:05 PM
The German article has every right to criticize the architecture of 4WTC, Europeans for the most part build much nicer buildings then we do, its just they don't build too many highrises, (and when they do they are top notch nowadays). From an architectural standpoint 4 WTC is kind of a faceless building, and neither architecturally significant or for that matter interesting. I appreciate it for its minimalism, but I think another high profile architect like KPF, Richard Meier, or Renzo Piano might have come up with something better. But imagine if Morphosis, Jean Nouvel, or Rem Koolhaus had taken a crack at this building, that'd be something...

Bullcrap about European buildings. IAC HQs and Beekman are better than anything they have (recently, of course), and those are just by one guy within the last few years.

I like Four WTC. I want Nouvel for Tower 5.

Roadcruiser1
Aug 5, 2011, 11:15 PM
No they don't. Tell them to build an attractive skyscraper, and then we will talk. Too bad they only have the London Shard to boast about.

Onn
Aug 6, 2011, 12:29 AM
The German article has every right to criticize the architecture of 4WTC, Europeans for the most part build much nicer buildings then we do, its just they don't build too many highrises, (and when they do they are top notch nowadays). From an architectural standpoint 4 WTC is kind of a faceless building, and neither architecturally significant or for that matter interesting. I appreciate it for its minimalism, but I think another high profile architect like KPF, Richard Meier, or Renzo Piano might have come up with something better. But imagine if Morphosis, Jean Nouvel, or Rem Koolhaus had taken a crack at this building, that'd be something...

The only area you might have a point on is transportation stations, because Europeans do spend more on that kind of thing. However modern European architecture in general sucks.

The Grand Architect
Aug 6, 2011, 2:05 AM
Europeans shouldn't be talking. They don't have any skyscraper right now that breaks the 1,000 foot mark unless if you count the London Shard which is still under construction, and it barely just makes it.

I agree with this. Just by typing that article makes them hypocritical.

However if that article was written by a person from China, then it will be OK. (If you don't already know, China has some nice glass skyscrapers in the recent decades).

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Aug 6, 2011, 2:23 AM
I agree with this. Just by typing that article makes them hypocritical.

However if that article was written by a person from China, then it will be OK. (If you don't already know, China has some nice glass skyscrapers in the recent decades).

Even those from China are no exception, the buildings simplicity has a meaning to disregard that undermines the entire site.

Illithid Dude
Aug 6, 2011, 7:10 AM
The only area you might have a point on is transportation stations, because Europeans do spend more on that kind of thing. However modern European architecture in general sucks.

Um... no? European Architecture is on average much better then American architecture. During my recent rip to Scandinavia I was blown away at how much nicer everything was. Turning Torso, in particular, was a stunning example of a high rise that truly innovated on the 500 foot rectangle. And guys, jeez. One person in Germany doesn't like 150 Greenwhich St., and suddenly you launch a tirade against Europe as a whole. A little xenophobic, wouldn't you think? People are entitled to their opinions. Get over it.

meh_cd
Aug 6, 2011, 7:33 AM
Um... no? European Architecture is on average much better then American architecture. During my recent rip to Scandinavia I was blown away at how much nicer everything was. Turning Torso, in particular, was a stunning example of a high rise that truly innovated on the 500 foot rectangle. And guys, jeez. One person in Germany doesn't like 150 Greenwhich St., and suddenly you launch a tirade against Europe as a whole. A little xenophobic, wouldn't you think? People are entitled to their opinions. Get over it.

Not that I disagree, but please tell me more about how a singlular highrise in Sweden beats the massive bulk of skyscrapers in Manhattan.

Roadcruiser1
Aug 6, 2011, 4:34 PM
Sure China builds nice skyscrapers, but it only makes them look good. Most of them are barely occupied, and are just completed glass shells.

Illithid Dude
Aug 6, 2011, 6:03 PM
Not that I disagree, but please tell me more about how a singlular highrise in Sweden beats the massive bulk of skyscrapers in Manhattan.

It doesn't, of course. I was just using it as an example. Though I did see a dozen other high-rises during my trip that have more character then 99% of the modern architecture in NY. Obviously, I can't compare anything to the pre-war high-rises, as Europe has none, but to say that Europe has bad modern architecture is a total lie.

Roadcruiser1
Aug 6, 2011, 7:02 PM
Oh please the only good thing Europe has going right now is the London Shard. Count that as your modernist example.

Patapsco
Aug 6, 2011, 11:52 PM
Taken from 30th floor one liberty plaza August 6, 2011

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davidinasia
Aug 7, 2011, 4:01 AM
Sure China builds nice skyscrapers, but it only makes them look good. Most of them are barely occupied, and are just completed glass shells.

Actually, that's not true. Due to my work, I've been inside many different high rises here in Shanghai. And most of them are jammed with occupants, 90% or more occupancy. You have to remember that with essentially zero office construction between 1949 and 1979, there was a vast unmet demand for office space that only started being met in the 1990s. It's true that the highest end properties have had slower uptake because the mass market is for lower end, cheaper space, but really dude, you cannot judge the China market by Western standards; this is an Asian country where the population density and scale of demand is of a completely different order.

Loqy Lion
Aug 7, 2011, 4:10 AM
Actually, that's not true. Due to my work, I've been inside many different high rises here in Shanghai. And most of them are jammed with occupants, 90% or more occupancy. You have to remember that with essentially zero office construction between 1949 and 1979, there was a vast unmet demand for office space that only started being met in the 1990s. It's true that the highest end properties have had slower uptake because the mass market is for lower end, cheaper space, but really dude, you cannot judge the China market by Western standards; this is an Asian country where the population density and scale of demand is of a completely different order.

Maybe not in Shanghai, but you've heard of the "ghost cities", right?

The RE bubble in China is the biggest of all-time.

Onn
Aug 7, 2011, 4:50 AM
Actually, that's not true. Due to my work, I've been inside many different high rises here in Shanghai. And most of them are jammed with occupants, 90% or more occupancy. You have to remember that with essentially zero office construction between 1949 and 1979, there was a vast unmet demand for office space that only started being met in the 1990s. It's true that the highest end properties have had slower uptake because the mass market is for lower end, cheaper space, but really dude, you cannot judge the China market by Western standards; this is an Asian country where the population density and scale of demand is of a completely different order.

Outside the city, however...

http://www.businessinsider.com/blame-kevin-costner-for-chinas-real-estate-bubble-2011-7

Illithid Dude
Aug 7, 2011, 5:46 AM
Oh please the only good thing Europe has going right now is the London Shard. Count that as your modernist example.

Height does not equal beauty. Almost all of London's U/C highrises could be landmarks if they were built in any other city in North America. Every other city has buildings under construction that are, though not tall, stunning in their own rights.

Brian Dino Vabec
Aug 7, 2011, 10:07 AM
August 6th, Dan Burnett..

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Highriseologist
Aug 7, 2011, 12:00 PM
To bad the the hydraulics broke stopping the slider crane's ascend.

Otie
Aug 7, 2011, 1:36 PM
in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

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Otie
Aug 7, 2011, 1:45 PM
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Reflection (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52229680@N03/6012842523/) by Ben-ah (http://www.flickr.com/people/52229680@N03/), on Flickr

Otie
Aug 11, 2011, 2:25 AM
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New York City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6026858605/) by Anthony Dolce (http://www.flickr.com/people/flydolce/), on Flickr

steve1young
Aug 11, 2011, 4:30 AM
Apologies if this has been asked before. I'm a recent convert from another site, so forgive the question. But, is there a reason why 2WTC, 3WTC, and 4WTC are not included in the titles for their respective threads here on SSP? Thanks.

animatedmartian
Aug 11, 2011, 5:14 AM
:previous: I've never noticed that. Interesting.

Dan Nguyen @ New York City (http://www.flickr.com/people/zokuga/)
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SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Aug 11, 2011, 5:20 AM
Apologies if this has been asked before. I'm a recent convert from another site, so forgive the question. But, is there a reason why 2WTC, 3WTC, and 4WTC are not included in the titles for their respective threads here on SSP? Thanks.

Because thats there official address.

Guiltyspark
Aug 11, 2011, 5:31 PM
I think this tower illustrates some of the unfortunate but necessary trends in US skyscraper design. While I love the height, the wide width and simplicity of the facade make it look like a much shorter tower. IV WTC is taller than City Group, but it really dose not look it because it is so dang wide. 15 Penn and 1 Manhattan West will both suffer from the same issues, although they have an advantage of being taller and in more remote locations, so they will soar a bit more. Overall I give IV WTC a B-.

animatedmartian
Aug 11, 2011, 6:38 PM
From WTC.com

http://www.wtc.com/uploads/images/712x534/14_61_2011_08_03-4WTC---Credit-Joe-Woolhead.jpg
http://www.wtc.com/media/images/d/14_61_2011_08_03-4WTC---Credit-Joe-Woolhead.jpg

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/3429/1461201108034wtccreditj.jpghttp://www.wtc.com/media/images/d/14_61_2011_08_03-4WTC---Credit-Joe-Woolhead.jpg

Servo
Aug 11, 2011, 8:47 PM
:previous: From some angles the glass reminds me of Tower 1. I do like the general dark color/reflection the glass gives, though.

Otie
Aug 11, 2011, 11:07 PM
Carolyn Cole / Los Angeles Times (http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/la-et-memorial-hawthorne-20110812,0,2608955.story)
http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2011-08/63914360.jpg

KN.
Aug 12, 2011, 10:34 AM
This building should be visible from Carlos penthouse by now i would imagine.

Roadcruiser1
Aug 12, 2011, 5:29 PM
It's actually already visible on the Manhattan Bridge. When the train is crossing the bridge you can see the cranes, and some of the floors for 4 WTC.

STR
Aug 12, 2011, 5:33 PM
Because thats there official address.

The city lists it under the vanity address of 4 World Trade Center for all of its records. That may change once there's tenants, but right now that's the "official" address under which all city surveys and complaints are issued under. If it wasn't PA land, and the jurisdictional conflict that entails, you'd have building permits listed there as well. Then again, if it wasn't PA land, they might have petitioned for a Greenwich address already.

If we want to meet half-way on this, Silverstein Properties uses "4 World Trade Center at 150 Greenwich Street" at several points.

Otie
Aug 12, 2011, 11:58 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6084/6035342455_c8e381b76d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6035342455/)
New York City (http://www.flickr.com/photos/flydolce/6035342455/) by Anthony Dolce (http://www.flickr.com/people/flydolce/), on Flickr

animatedmartian
Aug 13, 2011, 1:36 AM
:previous: Makes me think of Venetian blinds.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6210/6036215619_e3e503448e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6036215619/)
2011-08-12 007 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6036215619/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/), on Flickr


http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6139/6030164336_b793e2bf26_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6030164336/)
2011-08-10 11 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6030164336/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/), on Flickr

nycdagreatest
Aug 13, 2011, 2:41 AM
:previous: cladding is moving along nicely. There now putting up glass on the office floors

CarlosV
Aug 13, 2011, 12:19 PM
This building should be visible from Carlos penthouse by now i would imagine.


not quite there yet....i wonder how much longer i have to wait to see the tower from my terrace....i can see the the top of the cranes almost as high as the look out of the Woolworth building! :) perhaps 2 months?

if we could only vanish that brutalist Jacob K. Javits Federal Office Building out of the way!!!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6202/6037709549_15b84be562_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6037709549/)
DSC_1939 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6037709549/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

Otie
Aug 13, 2011, 12:37 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6085/6037272792_486cf847c4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28722563@N05/6037272792/)
WORLD TRADE CENTER 2011 - Lower Manhattan, NYC - 08/12/11 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28722563@N05/6037272792/) by asterix611 (http://www.flickr.com/people/28722563@N05/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6188/6036727415_79090df8b8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28722563@N05/6036727415/)
WORLD TRADE CENTER 2011 - Lower Manhattan, NYC - 08/12/11 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/28722563@N05/6036727415/) by asterix611 (http://www.flickr.com/people/28722563@N05/), on Flickr

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6061/6034333364_bb97e1d2f4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/drens71/6034333364/)
Downtown Manhattan.. (http://www.flickr.com/photos/drens71/6034333364/) by halmar1 (http://www.flickr.com/people/drens71/), on Flickr

sterlippo1
Aug 13, 2011, 1:05 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6200/6037792803_86b7f7001f_b.jpg

by sterlippo on Flickr

sterlippo1
Aug 13, 2011, 1:07 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6077/6037791363_0d46178f7e_z.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6141/6038334612_c08469875e_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/65951873@N08/6037788747/

NYguy
Aug 13, 2011, 2:09 PM
Getting ready for its skyline closeup...

EJP Photo (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejpphoto/6037844999/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6074/6037844999_8652bf172f_b.jpg


karmon26 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/karmon26/6033552790/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6147/6033552790_bd27bbd51f_b.jpg

patriotizzy
Aug 13, 2011, 6:27 PM
The glass for 4WTC looks a lot darker and more reflective than 1WTC's. Not sure if that's the case, or if it's just the appearance from certain angles.

Otie
Aug 14, 2011, 3:58 AM
^ It's just the appearance from certain angles, but you're right about the reflective part, the glass panes are a bit thicker than 1WTC's.

CarlosV
Aug 14, 2011, 12:54 PM
any tenants signed here ??

NYguy
Aug 14, 2011, 1:18 PM
any tenants signed here ??

None other than the Port Authority itself (about a third) and if no tenants are available, another third for the City.

Otie
Aug 14, 2011, 1:43 PM
Getty images / Daily Mail Reporter (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2025828/Stunning-new-photos-World-Trade-Center-9-11-Ground-Zero-site-progress.html)

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/14/article-2025828-0D69718B00000578-19_964x641.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/14/article-2025828-0D69644900000578-146_964x640.jpg

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/08/14/article-2025828-0D695E3100000578-478_964x662.jpg

CClaudio21
Aug 15, 2011, 7:58 AM
Does anybody know for sure what floor and or height 4WTC has reached by now?

Dac150
Aug 15, 2011, 6:00 PM
Any talk of US Customs making a return to the site? Tower four seems like it would be a good fit for them along with the PA.

STR
Aug 15, 2011, 6:51 PM
US Customs had, and still needs, a very customized (no pun intended) space. Evidence lockers, secure loading areas, extra security beyond even what is specified in these new buildings. They weren't just an office tenant. 6 World Trade Center was specifically designed with them in mind. 4WTC/150 Greenwich is not.

Dac150
Aug 15, 2011, 6:59 PM
Any idea why they had no interest in returning? I’m sure if they made the inquiry when the time was right, the logistics of the space could’ve been worked out.

STR
Aug 15, 2011, 11:49 PM
All federal space will be in Tower 1. There was never any discussion of substantial leases in any of the other buildings, as far as I'm aware. Below grade, they'd be hard pressed to cram in even more infrastructure. It's a tight fit as-is. Could they have done it? Yes, but it would have required input from pretty much the beginning, and you would not get a friendlier streetscape if they had done so.

Otie
Aug 16, 2011, 1:53 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6085/6047218414_081d9811c1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyperson/6047218414/)
3 WTC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nyperson/6047218414/) by nyperson (http://www.flickr.com/people/nyperson/), on Flickr

Dac150
Aug 16, 2011, 1:59 AM
All federal space will be in Tower 1. There was never any discussion of substantial leases in any of the other buildings, as far as I'm aware. Below grade, they'd be hard pressed to cram in even more infrastructure. It's a tight fit as-is. Could they have done it? Yes, but it would have required input from pretty much the beginning, and you would not get a friendlier streetscape if they had done so.

Makes sense then; thanks for the clarification.

steveve
Aug 16, 2011, 3:05 AM
i hate how fat this thing looks right now, it just looks darn awkward at street level.
Cam't wait till it's full height is reached,

Otie
Aug 16, 2011, 3:39 AM
Apologies for not posting the set of diagrams this 15th, I've been busy...
Here's a teaser though of a 3D version of 150GS, still a bunch of stuff to do including the facade on all four sides, retail levels and editing the core... suggestions are pretty welcomed! (Send them via PM ;) )


http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6186/6047828185_96e9927efe_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/6047828185/)
150 Greenwich St. (4WTC) | Diagram Update | August 15th, 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/6047828185/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

Full version (http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1184/4wtc1508113d.jpg)

Rizzo
Aug 16, 2011, 4:25 AM
Apologies for not posting the set of diagrams this 15th, I've been busy...
Here's a teaser though of a 3D version of 150GS, still a bunch of stuff to do including the facade on all four sides, retail levels and editing the core... suggestions are pretty welcomed! (Send them via PM ;) )


http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6186/6047828185_96e9927efe_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/6047828185/)
150 Greenwich St. (4WTC) | Diagram Update | August 15th, 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/6047828185/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

Full version (http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/1184/4wtc1508113d.jpg)

This is really great I really appreciate these clear diagrams.

STR
Aug 16, 2011, 6:47 AM
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1170/t426.jpg

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/9223/t428.jpg

NYguy
Aug 16, 2011, 9:34 PM
threepics (http://www.flickr.com/photos/amigafan/6046616757/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6082/6046616757_d09c0269e2_b.jpg

sterlippo1
Aug 17, 2011, 1:06 AM
i hate how fat this thing looks right now, it just looks darn awkward at street level.
Cam't wait till it's full height is reached,

i dunno, i really like this thing and it fits perfectly in it's place amongst the other 3:)

steveve
Aug 17, 2011, 1:36 AM
Well, i mean, right now ^^^, to me it looks awkward that 4WTC is just on its own right now, with that huge gap in between 1 WTC and it... It'll look better once topped off and surrounded by the other 2 towers :)

I was in Manhattan this past weekend,
Taken Saturday August 13, 2011:

From Flatiron (5th/Broadway)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6203/6051593292_7fb3df850e_b.jpg

animatedmartian
Aug 17, 2011, 5:19 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6064/6052093980_bef25238fc_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6052093980/)
World Trade Center Reconstruction (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6052093980/) by Dan Nguyen @ New York City (http://www.flickr.com/people/zokuga/)

animatedmartian
Aug 17, 2011, 8:54 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6203/6053084794_bd192f459e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/edenpictures/6053084794/)
4 World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/edenpictures/6053084794/) by edenpictures (http://www.flickr.com/people/edenpictures/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6061/6052702995_76da2c0be8_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/edenpictures/6052702995/)
7 World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/edenpictures/6052702995/) by edenpictures (http://www.flickr.com/people/edenpictures/)

Brian Dino Vabec
Aug 19, 2011, 8:59 AM
August 17th..

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6075/6053887271_f1602fbc92_b.jpg
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23056130@N08/6053887271/in/photostream) by cubs663 (http://www.flickr.com/people/23056130@N08/) on Flickr

Brian Dino Vabec
Aug 19, 2011, 9:01 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6088/6054440554_82df5ab218_b.jpg
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/23056130@N08/6054440554/in/photostream)by cubs663 (http://www.flickr.com/people/23056130@N08/) on Flickr

STR
Aug 19, 2011, 8:22 PM
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7629/t442.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7708/t444.jpg

http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4250/t445.jpg

http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3953/t443.jpg

Mr. Lion
Aug 19, 2011, 8:52 PM
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/7708/t444.jpg


:yuck: Visual artifacts, my pet peeve. The other ones are superb.

STR
Aug 19, 2011, 8:59 PM
Render times have crept up to an hour now that I've put in the cloud layer, so until I get a new PC, I'm not going to up the sampling rate to subdue those. They're not really artifacts, so much as the overexposed diffuse reflection of the metal material catching the sun. A higher sample rate will blend those with the glass, leaving the sheen effect, but it will be less sharp and pixel-y.

One more, a redux of a previous shot.
http://img546.imageshack.us/img546/3554/t446.jpg

photoLith
Aug 19, 2011, 10:27 PM
STR, you are a God, can I build a temple to you and form a religious cult?

patriotizzy
Aug 19, 2011, 10:47 PM
STR, you are a God, can I build a temple to you and form a religious cult?

I'll gladly follow.

STR
Aug 20, 2011, 3:06 PM
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/7932/t447.jpg

animatedmartian
Aug 20, 2011, 9:41 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6209/6063212190_6b91839f2a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6063212190/)
2011-08-16 02 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6063212190/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6072/6062659941_3bb3cf64c0_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6062659941/)
2011-08-13 10 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6062659941/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

cityenthusiast
Aug 20, 2011, 10:23 PM
Anyone know the current height of this building, and how many more floors until the tower cuts in half?

Patapsco
Aug 20, 2011, 11:52 PM
Taken August 20, 2011

From my work I cannot get too good a shot...But I thought the crane was interesting.

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6199/6063161179_37c4a79f62_b.jpg

STR
Aug 21, 2011, 3:07 AM
http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/334/t448.jpg

uaarkson
Aug 21, 2011, 5:09 AM
4WTC has a sliding crane? How did I miss that?

CarlosV
Aug 21, 2011, 1:23 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6078/6064897573_314f9b992b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6064897573/)
DSC_2121 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6064897573/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

CarlosV
Aug 21, 2011, 1:24 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6210/6064903021_be106a6d99_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6064903021/)
DSC_2125 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6064903021/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

animatedmartian
Aug 21, 2011, 9:59 PM
Vin_Schiano (http://www.flickr.com/people/vinschiano/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6197/6066308013_3ebb904dde_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/6066308013/)
Ground Zero WTC World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/6066308013/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6075/6066305717_5d59f54b2a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/6066305717/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6186/6066300751_f998c47b80_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/6066300751/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6086/6066842318_38b0e89237_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/6066842318/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6071/6066289249_a505003636_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/6066289249/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6064/6066224963_b91af85673_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/6066224963/)


http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6202/6066802886_9427b2f28f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/6066802886/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6191/6066200015_ac55f89978_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/vinschiano/6066200015/)

jsr
Aug 22, 2011, 3:43 AM
Are the lengths of each side of the tower listed anywhere?

STR
Aug 22, 2011, 5:39 AM
Are the lengths of each side of the tower listed anywhere?

Count the number of windows and multiply by 5. That will get you the answer in feet, +/- 3 inches.

http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/334/t448.jpg

http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/8755/t449.jpg

rjb001
Aug 22, 2011, 7:58 AM
Are the lengths of each side of the tower listed anywhere?

You could use the ruler tool in Google Earth. I've used it multiple times and I have to say that it is pretty accurate for the most part. It works better when 3D buildings is off FYI.

Granted you can only measure the lower portion at this point, as GE's NYC imagery is from June.

401PAS
Aug 22, 2011, 2:14 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6003/6007300283_a67eddbc5f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6007300283/)
201108_WTCMemorialUpdate_40 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6007300283/) by curbed (http://www.flickr.com/people/curbed/), on Flickr

taken 8/2/2011 but just think it's a fantastic picture showing the reflective quality of the cladding.

RobertWalpole
Aug 23, 2011, 12:11 AM
You must see it in person. It's not fat.

JoePDX
Aug 23, 2011, 4:25 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6003/6007300283_a67eddbc5f.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6007300283/)
201108_WTCMemorialUpdate_40 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/curbed/6007300283/) by curbed (http://www.flickr.com/people/curbed/), on Flickr

taken 8/2/2011 but just think it's a fantastic picture showing the reflective quality of the cladding.

WOW...that reflection is ridiculous!

STR
Aug 23, 2011, 6:02 PM
New diagram is up. Small preview of the 4x version.

http://img810.imageshack.us/img810/6272/t4prev.png