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vandelay
Aug 23, 2011, 7:12 PM
With full cladding this tower is going to be a primo piece of eye candy for the skyline. :cheers:

aquablue
Aug 23, 2011, 8:01 PM
The only problem with this tower is it is like a fat blimp.

animatedmartian
Aug 23, 2011, 9:22 PM
http://img851.imageshack.us/img851/97/zscren335.png
http://www.video-monitoring.com/construction/kpitv/silver.htm

Don't blink, you might see New Jersey! :D

RobertWalpole
Aug 24, 2011, 12:19 PM
The only problem with this tower is it is like a fat blimp.

It's not fat in person.

Traynor
Aug 24, 2011, 5:14 PM
The only problem with this tower is it is like a fat blimp.

The girth of 4WTC compared to its height is out of proportion to what many skyscraper geeks prefer: That being, tall, slender towers, whose narrowness exaggerates their height.

However, I wouldn't say that was its only problem.

I find the awkward asymmetrical setback near the top inappropriate and architecturally irrelevant to the design sensibilities of the rest of the tower.

I don't need to be reminded that the setback is meant to echo and continue the look of step-down and setbacks from towers 3 and 2, next door. However, they are not going to be built for some time and a building should stand on its own architectural merits and not rely on another building nearby to make sense.

The trapezoidal upper section is abrupt, out of proportion, and is not thematically tied into the tower in any other way than it's there to defer to Tower 3 next door. That's bad architecture in my books.

Good points: The engineering is fantastic. The glazing is top-notch.

401PAS
Aug 24, 2011, 5:35 PM
In my opinion, the asymmetrical nature and setbacks are crucial to it's relationship and as a result of it's proximity with WTC3. Without these features it would totally not work in that site and would make it feel very congested (as well as completely block all south views for the WTC3 tenants). Additionally, it "softens the edges" of the entire WTC site and going north on Greeenwich up onto the site, it feels like it ushers you into the area as apposed to abruptly entering the space.

That's just my opinion.

Traynor
Aug 24, 2011, 6:02 PM
In my opinion, the asymmetrical nature and setbacks are crucial to it's relationship and as a result of it's proximity with WTC3. Without these features it would totally not work in that site and would make it feel very congested (as well as completely block all south views for the WTC3 tenants). Additionally, it "softens the edges" of the entire WTC site and going north on Greeenwich up onto the site, it feels like it ushers you into the area as apposed to abruptly entering the space.

That's just my opinion.

I agree with doing all of what you suggest, I just think they could have done a better job of integrating those ideals into the design of the tower. As it is, the top just looks plunked on top of another tower.

The change in floor plate should have been delineated by some architectural feature or telegraphed in an earlier setback lower down (excluding the base). Furthermore, the South facade gives no evidence at all that the upper floors even change shape. On its own the four elevations of the top of the tower (N,S,E and W) have little relation to each other. They only make sense when tower 3 is there (and even then, only when someone explains it to you) and that for me makes for bad design.

Look across West Street to the World Financial Centre (albeit a different architectural style: Post Modern) to see how chunky towers can have setbacks designed all the way up the tower, so that the top makes sense.

401PAS
Aug 24, 2011, 7:02 PM
I agree with doing all of what you suggest, I just think they could have done a better job of integrating those ideals into the design of the tower. As it is, the top just looks plunked on top of another tower.

The change in floor plate should have been delineated by some architectural feature or telegraphed in an earlier setback lower down (excluding the base). Furthermore, the South facade gives no evidence at all that the upper floors even change shape. On its own the four elevations of the top of the tower (N,S,E and W) have little relation to each other. They only make sense when tower 3 is there (and even then, only when someone explains it to you) and that for me makes for bad design.

Look across West Street to the World Financial Centre (albeit a different architectural style: Post Modern) to see how chunky towers can have setbacks designed all the way up the tower, so that the top makes sense.

Interesting... I think the fact that the four elevations are different from each other is what makes this building interesting. Looking at each elevation in flat 2 dimensions I can see where you say that they don't work with each other but when you put it into a real world three dimension it's what makes it more dynamic.

And I think that there is no way in the manner in which this entire complex was planned and is being executed that the buildings should not be designed to work with each other and have one influence the other's design.

Could it have been better?... I can agree with you there... Is it bad design? I think that is going too far.

animatedmartian
Aug 24, 2011, 7:46 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6202/6074982307_e442f74fac_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/6074982307/)
IMG_3625.JPG (http://www.flickr.com/photos/7799907@N05/6074982307/) by denkmanttlb (http://www.flickr.com/people/7799907@N05/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6077/6074643281_4315435373_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/agreatbigcity/6074643281/)
4WTC - August 21, 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/agreatbigcity/6074643281/) by agreatbigcity (http://www.flickr.com/people/agreatbigcity/)

STR
Aug 25, 2011, 7:28 PM
http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/2405/l004q.jpg

Otie
Aug 26, 2011, 2:05 AM
NY-NJ Port Authority aims to end WTC bond spat soon (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/08/25/us-worldtradecenter-portauthority-idUSTRE77O8DX20110825)


(Reuters) - The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey hopes to resolve a spat with Fidelity over the seniority of bondholders so that $1.3 billion of Liberty bonds can be sold by late September, Chris Ward, the authority's executive director, told Reuters on Thursday.

The rebuilding of the World Trade Center complex, dogged by delays and cost overruns, also faces an engineering challenge -- whether the underground garage can be finished six months early to avoid delaying work on the interiors of some towers.

The above-ground memorial with its plaza and one working waterfall were finished first -- in time for the 10th anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks -- so all of the fixtures, lighting, and desks for some of the new skyscrapers will have to be trucked in through the garage, Ward said.

The Authority hit on a novel approach to get the memorial for the nearly 3,000 who died in the attacks ready two years earlier than expected -- in time for the 10th anniversary.

"People don't know how close we were to losing this project three years ago," said Ward. Federal officials were "enormously frustrated with the delays," he said.

His agency owns the site, which curbs Mayor Michael Bloomberg's influence. But the mayor insisted the memorial had to be finished first and warned that the delays might mean the site was still just a hole in the ground on the 10th anniversary of the tragedy.

AN "UPSIDE DOWN" SUCCESS

One August night three years ago, Ward said he and his team solved the problem by flipping the normal order of construction work, building from the top down instead of starting on the bottom on Manhattan bedrock, and then building up.

"We turned it upside down so we could deliver this (the memorial) on the 10th anniversary," he said, "We built the ceiling of the PATH train station and the floor of the memorial all at once."

But the Liberty bond financing for World Trade Center Tower 4 still has to be finalized.

"We think Fidelity misunderstood the fundamental structure and are fully prepared to adjust to their potential concerns," Ward said.

The Liberty bonds will help pay for Tower 4, one of the three on-site skyscrapers that developer Larry Silverstein is building.

"Hopefully, all the financing for Tower 4 will be in place by October at the latest," Ward said.

A spokeswoman for Fidelity, the Boston-based mutual fund giant, declined comment.

davidinasia
Aug 28, 2011, 8:06 AM
I have a question.

Which will be the first trapezoid shaped floor? I.e. at what level exactly will the building transition from a parallelogram to a trapezoid-shaped floor plan?

It's hard to tell from the renderings; with the parallax some of them look like that transition point will be much lower than One Liberty Plaza, whereas in some other images, it looks like that point will be at equal height to OLP, or even taller.

And also, when can we expect this transition to occur? October?

RoldanTTLB
Aug 29, 2011, 2:17 PM
I believe it's the 56th floor (or within a floor or two either direction). This floor is likely to happen before November 1.

STR
Aug 29, 2011, 5:25 PM
It's hard to tell from the renderings; with the parallax some of them look like that transition point will be much lower than One Liberty Plaza, whereas in some other images, it looks like that point will be at equal height to OLP, or even taller.

http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=51902337

animatedmartian
Aug 31, 2011, 4:20 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6076/6098582378_162fd4d5f6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalantziscope/6098582378/)
Untitled (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalantziscope/6098582378/) by phillip kalantzis-cope (http://www.flickr.com/people/kalantziscope/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6199/6098396492_e1e7df9f4a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidexeter/6098396492/)
Ground Zero.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/davidexeter/6098396492/) by David Exeter (http://www.flickr.com/people/davidexeter/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6073/6096996490_862a3e4f38_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jersey2bronx/6096996490/)
It only took 10 years.... (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jersey2bronx/6096996490/) by Jersey2Bronx (http://www.flickr.com/people/jersey2bronx/)

patriotizzy
Aug 31, 2011, 6:19 AM
^^^^ That notch on the corner looks great.

davidinasia
Aug 31, 2011, 2:39 PM
http://skyscraperpage.com/diagrams/?searchID=51902337

Thanks for that STR. So, going by STR's infographic, the trapezoid section starts at approximately 715 feet, whereas One Liberty Plaza tops out around 750. So the transition point will indeed be lower, but not that much lower; a pretty significant amount of parallelogram floor construction is still left. I'm thinking November for the transition going by the number of floors left.

brenGT2
Aug 31, 2011, 4:12 PM
^^^^ That notch on the corner looks great.

I agree. The high reflectivity of the glass plays with the dimensionality of the building in a similar way to the Bank of China Tower in Hong Kong at night, albeit on a smaller scale.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/94/250164461_751de71e11_z.jpg?zz=1 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenie_nw8/250164461/)
[HK_64] Bank Of China (http://www.flickr.com/photos/greenie_nw8/250164461/) by greenie.nw8 (http://www.flickr.com/people/greenie_nw8/), on Flickr
(You can see what I mean by looking at the bottom of this photo.)

cityenthusiast
Sep 1, 2011, 6:48 AM
this glass is amazing:worship:

CGII
Sep 1, 2011, 1:14 PM
I agree. The high reflectivity of the glass plays with the dimensionality of the building in a similar way to the Bank of China Tower in Hong Kong at night, albeit on a smaller scale.


4 WTC is within 60' of Bank of China.

brenGT2
Sep 1, 2011, 7:39 PM
4 WTC is within 60' of Bank of China.
I should have been more clear. I meant the reflective facets in the "notch" of 4 WTC in particular. This design concept was executed on a larger scale on Bank of China Tower than on 4 WTC. I realize that the buildings are nearly the same height.

animatedmartian
Sep 2, 2011, 6:54 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6208/6104953671_e0fd09d742_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6104953671/)
2011-08-31 03 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6104953671/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6185/6104950893_5351d4d651_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6104950893/)
2011-08-30 09 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6104950893/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

CoolCzech
Sep 2, 2011, 2:11 PM
4 WTC is within 60' of Bank of China.

Excellent point: people underestimate the vast scale of the New WTC, and especially of 4 WTC because, I suppose, they think that "shortest" means small. And I wouldn't be surprised if 4 WTC is wider than the Bank of China, so that in terms of square footage the glazed facade of 4 WTC actually exceeds that of BoC.

Innsertnamehere
Sep 3, 2011, 10:25 AM
^

here is a cardboard model of the new world trade center compared to the entire toronto skyline.

the WTC is where the CN tower would normally be, and the |WTC part of the model is slightly off scale. (a little too small)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6190/6100296935_a78a4ef75f_z.jpg

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1429688&page=4

shows how f****ing big these are.

NYguy
Sep 3, 2011, 2:14 PM
RBudhu (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ryanbudhu/6105602493/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6088/6105602493_4b235f356c_b.jpg

NYC4Life
Sep 3, 2011, 4:39 PM
Just imagine how that last shot will look like in a few years from now with WTC 2, 3 and 5 hopefully rising by then.

davidinasia
Sep 4, 2011, 3:55 AM
Just imagine how that last shot will look like in a few years from now with WTC 2, 3 and 5 hopefully rising by then.

Actually, that particular shot will probably look the same except that T4 will be topped out and cladded. Even if T2 and T3 are under construction by then without further economic delays, they will be blocked by T4 until they are nearly complete, so you wouldn't be able to see anything from that angle. You would be able to see T5 well from that vantage point, true; but I'm not aware of any immediate plans to build T5 -I'm pretty sure it's intended to go on the former Deutsche Bank site which right now, is still being excavated. Even if and when it is built, it will certainly not be finished before T2 and T3.

You will, however have a nice view of the Performing Arts Center from there eventually, but it's unlikely in the next few years, because they can't even demolish the terminal entrance that is currently on the PAC site until the Calatrava hub is finished, and that's 2014 at the earliest.

CalibratedZeus
Sep 4, 2011, 2:48 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6084/6112653188_9eb5f42562_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6081/6112653580_c964dec89b_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6072/6112109949_5ea6a0c949_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6206/6112654746_f269f56a93_b.jpg

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6206/6112111603_865eb1e063_b.jpg

Onn
Sep 4, 2011, 4:39 PM
I haven't seen it in person, but this one looks to be very dramatic. It's such a shame they can't get 2 and 3 off the ground. :slob:

yaletown_fella
Sep 4, 2011, 6:58 PM
i like the blandness of this tower it has a quiet elegance, i think anymore "look at me" towers would have overwhelmed the site

Exactly. It will also emphasize the other more iconic towers in the WTC Center as well Stern's 99 Church street.

RobertWalpole
Sep 4, 2011, 7:27 PM
I don't think that this tower is bland at all it's base is not a box instead, it's an angled parallelogram and then there's the cutaway area.

Alliance
Sep 4, 2011, 7:47 PM
The shape is nice and great for the site, but the cladding is bland, especially in the context of its even blander sister buildings (except for 7). This building is screaming out for mullions or some sort of external ceramics.

CalibratedZeus
Sep 4, 2011, 11:20 PM
The shape is nice and great for the site, but the cladding is bland, especially in the context of its even blander sister buildings (except for 7). This building is screaming out for mullions or some sort of external ceramics.

Well I must say, yesterday when i took those photos was the first time I have been to the site any time other then early morning. I happened to hit it right around sunset and let me tell you, no photo will ever do the glass that is going onto this building justice. It is so gorgeous to see up front, and yesterday the way the sun happened to be hitting it was just surreal.

I know a lot of you are just basing your judgements on photos. Please hold any thoughts until you see these new building for yourself, because they are really something to behold.

Alliance
Sep 5, 2011, 12:01 AM
Well I must say, yesterday when i took those photos was the first time I have been to the site any time other then early morning. I happened to hit it right around sunset and let me tell you, no photo will ever do the glass that is going onto this building justice. It is so gorgeous to see up front, and yesterday the way the sun happened to be hitting it was just surreal.

I know a lot of you are just basing your judgements on photos. Please hold any thoughts until you see these new building for yourself, because they are really something to behold.

Well, I live here and see this building on a daily basis. I've posted my own photos of this building at sunset here. Photos can also make buildings look better than they appear, or worse, or just as is.

Also cladding is not just glass. Thanks.

STR
Sep 5, 2011, 8:41 AM
http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/8769/e119.jpg

mac78130
Sep 5, 2011, 6:41 PM
Larger renderings have been posted if you want to save them ;)

http://www.wtc.com/news/ (http://www.wtc.com/news/)

Brian Dino Vabec
Sep 5, 2011, 7:22 PM
September 4th, Tectonic, WNY..

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/8803/dsc1332sn.jpg
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207&page=107

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/8610/dsc1295sn.jpg
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207&page=107

http://img838.imageshack.us/img838/1885/dsc1293sn.jpg
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207&page=107

http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/5631/dsc1292sn.jpg
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207&page=107

jd3189
Sep 5, 2011, 10:28 PM
Why couldn't this be a supertall? Oh well,like the progress.

demon23
Sep 6, 2011, 11:43 PM
Did they increase the height 4 WTC instead of decreasing the height of 3 WTC because I was looking at the World Trade Center website newest renderings from the Hudson River and compared the older versions of the same renders and 4 WTC looks taller in the new ones and slightly shorter in the older ones, thus making 3 WTC look shorter. If that makes sense.

cityenthusiast
Sep 7, 2011, 12:27 AM
The height is still 977 ft they haven't increased or decreased the height of either one of the towers that I know of. Probably just inconsistencies with the renderings not a change in height for the buildings

NYguy
Sep 7, 2011, 3:08 PM
Images taken from wtc.com


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/137874412/large.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/137874414/large.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/137874412/original.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/137874414/original.jpg

Otie
Sep 8, 2011, 12:02 AM
^Don't forget to credit Joe Woolhead

Getty Images / Daylife (http://www.daylife.com/photo/0a4WgYobEh3Bq?q=One+World+Trade+Center)
http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0a4WgYobEh3Bq/x610.jpg

mac78130
Sep 8, 2011, 2:36 PM
JU5g3BdeWUA

drumz0rz
Sep 8, 2011, 3:58 PM
i like the blandness of this tower it has a quiet elegance, i think anymore "look at me" towers would have overwhelmed the site
I agree. The glass also does a great job reflecting the towers surrounding it, especially the US Steel building. I think it looks great.

rjb001
Sep 9, 2011, 2:06 AM
How soon will the next setback occur? Also, does anyone know when this building will likely be topped out. I'd imagine at least 4Q 2012.

Roadcruiser1
Sep 9, 2011, 3:13 AM
Early 2013. The setback should start soon. The most likely guess is somewhere at the 48th floor or higher.

animatedmartian
Sep 9, 2011, 2:06 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6200/6129686703_09314c8c81_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6129686703/)
2011-09-09 040 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6129686703/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6185/6129689593_55064bbc5d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6129689593/)
2011-09-09 049 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6129689593/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6064/6129681761_b844d7bded_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6129681761/)
2011-09-09 027 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6129681761/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

animatedmartian
Sep 9, 2011, 3:22 PM
Dan Nguyen @ New York City (http://www.flickr.com/people/zokuga/)
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6075/6129873045_b8757df89d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6129873045/)
WTC from the reopened Cortlandt St. stop, 9/9/11 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6129873045/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6183/6130423938_b879be366d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6130423938/)
WTC 9/9/11 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6130423938/)

animatedmartian
Sep 11, 2011, 4:59 AM
Dan Nguyen @ New York City (http://www.flickr.com/people/zokuga/)http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6184/6133995094_72b69fc51f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6133995094/)
The WTC Reconstruction, 9/9/2011, Tower 4 and One WTC (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6133995094/)

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6075/6135299110_17ebed0c76_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6135299110/)
WTC, eve of 9/11/2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zokuga/6135299110/)

Patapsco
Sep 12, 2011, 2:30 AM
Septemebr 9, 2011

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6061/6138410439_3b473936fc_b.jpg

CarlosV
Sep 12, 2011, 10:47 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6180/6140058932_774e495665_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6140058932/)
DSC_2730 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6140058932/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

NYguy
Sep 12, 2011, 12:38 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6200/6129686703_09314c8c81_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6129686703/)
2011-09-09 040 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/53024120@N04/6129686703/) by in.formed (http://www.flickr.com/people/53024120@N04/)

This glass is clearly the best of the new WTC so far.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/09/08/2011-09-08_nypd_unit_getting_new_wtc_home_mayor_says.html
NYPD unit getting new World Trade Center home, Mayor Bloomberg says

BY Bob Kappstatter and Doug Feiden
September 8th 2011

More than 600 cops assigned to police the Ground Zero area will have a new home - 4 World Trade Center, Mayor Bloomberg disclosed Wednesday.

"The tower will be home to the new World Trade Center police precinct and staffed with more than 600 NYPD officers," Bloomberg told reporters Wednesday at a briefing on the rebuilding of lower Manhattan.

The city is leasing about 600,000 square feet in the 2.3 million-square-foot building. The building will also be the headquarters of the Port Authority, which will occupy about a third of the office space.

NYguy
Sep 14, 2011, 1:29 PM
We are familiar with Joe Woolheads photos of the WTC construction, so here's a piece on him from the Observer...

http://www.observer.com/2011/09/joe-woolhead-the-poet-photographer-of-ground-zero/
Joe Woolhead, the Poet-Photographer of Ground Zero


http://www.observer.com/files/2011/09/Woolhead_Panels.jpg

Men at work. (Joe Woolhead



By Matt Chaban
September 14, 2011

The World Trace Center site may be the most famous construction project since the Tower of Babel, if not the most contentious.

But most of the work has taken place behind some 13,000 feet of blue construction fencing, and so to the extent that we have watched the progress, we’ve mostly relied on the images sent out from behind the fence—many of them the work of Joe Woolhead. The official photographer for Larry Silverstein and the National September 11 Memorial and Museum, he has spent almost every day for the past seven years documenting the slow pace of construction at Ground Zero.

...“The great satisfaction is knowing I’m documenting what is probably the most significant building project in the whole world,” Mr. Woolhead said earlier this month. “This site, no matter what it will be, will always be associated with 9/11. And yet we, as humans, to move on, we have to build bigger and better than ever before.” Mr. Woolhead was giving The Observer a tour around the “east bathtub,” the section of the site on the far side of the 1-train tracks. This will be home to 200, 175 and 150 Greenwich Street in the near and not so near future—the structures currently known as Towers 2, 3 and 4, the work of brand-name architects Lord Norman Foster, Sir Richard Rogers and Fumihiko Maki of Japan.

Otie
Sep 16, 2011, 4:01 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6180/6152770331_c3e19812b1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/6152770331/)
Four WTC | Diagram Update | September 16th, 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/62018165@N04/6152770331/) by Otie O'Daniel (http://www.flickr.com/people/62018165@N04/), on Flickr

Larger version (http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8606/4wtc160911.jpg)

patriotizzy
Sep 16, 2011, 9:32 PM
Can't wait for the setback! Maybe things will speed up a tiny bit more after that.

nudeeyes7
Sep 17, 2011, 8:09 PM
yeah i had been to that place long time back... it was nice bt i feel more comfortable where i can find some peace i mean in nyc our life is becoming like we r machines not human beings :S

NYCLuver
Sep 18, 2011, 2:57 AM
September 17th, 2011

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy111/DKNY618/IMG_0008.jpg
http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy306/DKNY619/IMG_0031.jpg

animatedmartian
Sep 19, 2011, 2:11 AM
messyrican (http://www.flickr.com/people/messyrican/)

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http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6151/6159350460_0cd9ddf354_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/messyrican/6159350460/)

CarlosV
Sep 19, 2011, 3:19 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6151/6160854249_0bedee3424_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6160854249/)
DSC_3081 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6160854249/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

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DSC_3082 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6161391616/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

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DSC_3083 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6161392446/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

CarlosV
Sep 19, 2011, 3:39 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6207/6161544052_94ff3753ff_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6161544052/)
DSC_3084 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6161544052/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

CarlosV
Sep 19, 2011, 3:40 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6084/6161557292_ccfaf6c2f1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6161557292/)
DSC_2956 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6161557292/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

CarlosV
Sep 19, 2011, 3:44 AM
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DSC_3086 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6161010127/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

CarlosV
Sep 19, 2011, 3:47 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6074/6161584936_2a283bd17c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6161584936/)
DSC_2981 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6161584936/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

Onn
Sep 19, 2011, 4:06 AM
Superb shots! Love it! :tup:

CarlosV
Sep 21, 2011, 6:58 PM
i can see one of the operateror's cabs from my place now!! it is just a few weeks now..and the tower will be visible :)

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DSC_3109 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6170231276/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

NYguy
Sep 22, 2011, 11:48 AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111903703604576584964205175544.html?mod=googlenews_wsj

Port Authority Plans WTC Bond Change .

http://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/NY-BE996_WTC_G_20110921173103.jpg

By ELIOT BROWN
September 22, 2011

In a move to avert a work stoppage on a new World Trade Center office tower, the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is planning to back down in a monthslong financial dispute with its bond investors, people familiar with the agency's plans said. Port Authority officials intend to restructure a planned financing package for 4 World Trade Center in order to address the concerns of existing Port Authority bondholders who blocked the $1.37 billion effort in the spring, the people said.

The new bond sale, if it proceeds, would remove a major potential obstacle at the World Trade Center site, where 4 World Trade Center and the 104-story One World Trade Center are rising.

Since April, the fight had threatened to halt construction of 4 World Trade, a 72-story tower being built by developer Larry Silverstein. Mr. Silverstein needs to sell more than $1.3 billion in tax-free bonds to finish construction on the building, now 51 stories up.

NYguy
Sep 22, 2011, 12:07 PM
Taken from wtc.com (credite Joe Woolhead)

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/138277247/large.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/138277247/original.jpg

animatedmartian
Sep 23, 2011, 4:07 PM
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4 World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/zero_g/6174359384/) by [nilay] (http://www.flickr.com/people/zero_g/)

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New World Trade Center (http://www.flickr.com/photos/squirrel02/6169593453/) by squirrel83 (http://www.flickr.com/people/squirrel02/)

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SAM_0393 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/squirrel02/6174187773/) by squirrel83 (http://www.flickr.com/people/squirrel02/)

CarlosV
Sep 24, 2011, 11:36 AM
A few more weeks or perhaps days and it will surpass the Jacob K. Javits Federal Office Building :tup:

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DSC_3119z copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6177232193/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

NYCLuver
Sep 25, 2011, 3:43 AM
September 24th, 2011

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SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Sep 25, 2011, 5:12 AM
September 23rd

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http://i810.photobucket.com/albums/zz27/skyscrapersofnewyork/stuff/IMG00491-20110923-1708.jpg

Brian Dino Vabec
Sep 26, 2011, 1:41 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6152/6183497436_694bacb2ea_b.jpg
Zuccotti Park and Four WTC (P1260984) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52836039@N02/6183497436/) by michael.2999.pics (http://www.flickr.com/people/52836039@N02/) on Flickr

animatedmartian
Sep 26, 2011, 6:36 PM
Loving the contrast starting to form between Liberty and T4. :D

Dwils01
Sep 26, 2011, 6:54 PM
A lot of progress has happened since I seen these tower a year and a half ago in person.
All these towers have amzing cladding. The reflections of the buildings are so clear.

NYC2ATX
Sep 27, 2011, 4:19 AM
thanks for the great shot from Liberty Plaza, Brian. It's like getting a glimpse of the future.

Not to be a debbie downer, as I do love this tower, but I can't help but think about how many birds may die because of the facade. :(

Brian Dino Vabec
Sep 27, 2011, 9:27 AM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6168/6186785786_3c52a5abb8_b.jpg
WTC 4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pablo_pen/6186785786/)by Pablo PEN (http://www.flickr.com/people/pablo_pen/) on Flickr

hunser
Sep 27, 2011, 11:19 AM
this one is approaching the 200m mark sooner than I thought. just great progress! whereas 1WTC was more or less on hold this august (due to the 9/11 anniversary) 4WTC made huge steps forward!

Onn
Sep 27, 2011, 7:30 PM
It's certainly a beast! The cladding is looking great, very different from the other glass we've seen so far. It's a nice contrast to 1WTC and 7. Creates some variety, yet still retains the ulta-modern glass feel.

steveve
Sep 27, 2011, 8:11 PM
i think it's pretty safe to say this one will look EXACTLY like the renders. you can already tell by the cladding. so no surprises here

Obey
Sep 27, 2011, 8:39 PM
Look at that sweet, sweet glass.

FMIII
Sep 27, 2011, 9:22 PM
If only it could be more slender... :slob:
I guess perfection doesn't exist...

CClaudio21
Sep 28, 2011, 4:28 AM
Isn't this tower at the 51st floor? Why hasn't the setback happened yet, because I thought it started at the 48th floor.

Brian Dino Vabec
Sep 28, 2011, 9:04 AM
3 office and 1 mechanical floor till the setback..

NYguy
Sep 28, 2011, 2:47 PM
Look at that sweet, sweet glass.


Sweet it is.


mrperry (http://www.flickr.com/photos/mrperry/6184436900/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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MrSlippery519
Sep 28, 2011, 6:00 PM
Wow great picture of the entire complex, I will be there late next week cannot wait to see it in person.

Brian Dino Vabec
Sep 28, 2011, 6:23 PM
September 26th..

http://i.imgur.com/vtaUI.jpg
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207&page=112

http://i.imgur.com/4di3Th.jpg
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207&page=112

http://i.imgur.com/0vg3f.jpg
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207&page=112

http://i.imgur.com/iLYPph.jpg
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207&page=112

http://i.imgur.com/2jAWfh.jpg
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207&page=112

http://imgur.com/MLrbj.jpg
http://wirednewyork.com/forum/showthread.php?t=9207&page=112

animatedmartian
Sep 29, 2011, 6:57 AM
Dated September 25.

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Twisted: Fall 2011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/phat104u/6184271442/) by J. David Buerk (http://www.flickr.com/people/phat104u/)

xnyr
Sep 29, 2011, 4:45 PM
Hi

I'm new to this thread, so pardon me if this has been asked before, but will there be an outdoor terrace on the setback?

NYguy
Oct 1, 2011, 1:55 PM
Likely not.


AkersGreg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/akersgreg/6197504809/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6017/6197504643_478e81094e_b.jpg

Otie
Oct 1, 2011, 10:45 PM
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6005/6199047789_90c908cb8b_b.jpg
Photo by jennifercarbone (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jennifercarbone/)

whiteford
Oct 2, 2011, 12:37 AM
behemoth. that's what it is.

Brian Dino Vabec
Oct 3, 2011, 8:56 AM
ZippyTheChimp, WNY..

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3269/wtc381c.jpg

steveve
Oct 3, 2011, 2:30 PM
From yesterday, October 2, 2011:
I gotta say, the glass on 4WTC is phenomenal! I think it looks a bit better than 7WTC, though 7WTC's base cladding is sick!
1.
http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6005/6207134095_77ba8983c9_b.jpg
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http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6029/6207644164_9bbfbe7dc4_b.jpg

I also managed to catch some of those Wall Street Protests... i saw the WikiLeaks truck!
4.
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By steveve from Toronto :)

caltrane74
Oct 3, 2011, 3:33 PM
nice work bro!

pnapp1
Oct 3, 2011, 3:36 PM
Here a few photos I took during my visit to the memorial on Friday. :cheers:

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/4wtc/wtc4_memorialVisit_p1.jpg

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/4wtc/wtc4_memorialVisit_p2.jpg

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/4wtc/wtc4_memorialVisit_p3.jpg

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/4wtc/wtc4_memorialVisit_p4.jpg

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/4wtc/wtc4_memorialVisit_p6.jpg

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/4wtc/wtc4_memorialVisit_p7.jpg

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/4wtc/wtc4_memorialVisit_p8.jpg

http://www.wtcphotos.com/photos/911memorialVisit_2011-09-30/4wtc/wtc4_memorialVisit_p9.jpg

mindbender
Oct 3, 2011, 5:00 PM
I feel like WTC4 would cut you if you touched it. It looks sharp. Look out!

animatedmartian
Oct 4, 2011, 9:57 PM
Won't be long before 4 WTC rises over its neighbor. :tup:

http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/3682/zscren436.png
http://www.video-monitoring.com/construction/kpitv/silver.htm

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Oct 4, 2011, 10:09 PM
How tall is the tower right now? it must be hovering around the 600 ft.mark.

cityenthusiast
Oct 4, 2011, 11:29 PM
^^^Sounds about right. Are these the last two floors before the setback?Or are there two more after this? I cant wait anymore

NewYorker2009
Oct 5, 2011, 1:05 AM
Tower 4 is way over 650' by now because 123 Washington Street is about 640' so Tower 4 is on a roll.