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steveve
Jan 13, 2012, 8:55 PM
Setback floors :hyper:

i know OMG!!!! all of a sudden 4WTC looks CRAZZY TALL!!! wow, the setback is so awesome!

Dac150
Jan 13, 2012, 9:47 PM
doughaslam (http://www.flickr.com/photos/doughaslam/6690289641/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6690289641_b4eb74e856_b.jpg

This pic really gives you a sense of what the 'canyon' is going to look like. :yes:

hunser
Jan 14, 2012, 9:57 AM
It's so good to finally see the setback floors taking shape. All of a sudden 4WTC looks incredibly taller.

CarlosV
Jan 14, 2012, 10:41 AM
I can't wait until this surpasses 1 Liberty in height. I would have loved to see the Singer Building being reflected in WTC#4

:) there it is!!

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QUEENSNYMAN
Jan 14, 2012, 6:09 PM
Nice Carlos!

Dac150
Jan 14, 2012, 6:20 PM
Incredible to see OLP essentially dwarfed . . and to think the next two will dwarf one another.

mac78130
Jan 14, 2012, 7:47 PM
New Crane?

http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/WTC/wtc4crane.jpg

via http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/

WTCman7301
Jan 14, 2012, 8:29 PM
New Crane?

http://i544.photobucket.com/albums/hh359/mac78130/WTC/wtc4crane.jpg

via http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/

There moving the right tower crane to the setback because where the right tower crane currently is, it's getting in the way of the floors that are being put up.:)

CarlosV
Jan 15, 2012, 2:43 PM
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JoePDX
Jan 15, 2012, 9:05 PM
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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6690289641_b4eb74e856_b.jpg

I'm beginning to see the purpose of the setback. It almost has the effect of cutting down on the "boxiness" of the tower and will help to give a "slimmimg", "soaring" effect.

CarlosV
Jan 16, 2012, 6:50 PM
3 cranes now...on top...

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xnyr
Jan 16, 2012, 6:52 PM
There moving the right tower crane to the setback because where the right tower crane currently is, it's getting in the way of the floors that are being put up.:)

I'm surprised they would need two cranes now, due to the smaller floor plate.

And since these cranes are self hoisting and do not extend the height of the tower, I don't see how they "get in the way".

Davidsam52
Jan 16, 2012, 11:57 PM
I bet they still remove the lower tower crane now that a new "base crane" is on the 1st roof.

Otie
Jan 17, 2012, 3:53 PM
Joe Woolhead (http://www.joewoolhead.com)'s blog (http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/blog/)
http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/4J9Z6438.jpg

http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/4J9Z6461.jpg

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http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/IMG_92011.jpg

http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/4J9Z6508.jpg

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http://www.joewoolhead.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/IMG_9551.jpg

NYguy
Jan 17, 2012, 9:02 PM
Gary Burke (http://www.flickr.com/photos/klingon65/6711665027/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7030/6711665027_a7c666e93d_b.jpg

scalziand
Jan 17, 2012, 9:45 PM
^Huh. Who knew that 4wtc would (at least temporarily) terminate the view of a street. That's a neat shot.

NewYorkSkyline117
Jan 17, 2012, 10:00 PM
is this tower rising more rapidly than one wtc? wow whats the intervals of new steel?

Roadcruiser1
Jan 17, 2012, 11:11 PM
is this tower rising more rapidly than one wtc? wow whats the intervals of new steel?

Same pace. Don't know...

Servo
Jan 17, 2012, 11:23 PM
Same pace. Don't know...

Well, 1WTC hasn't gone anywhere in a month. This thing's gone up four floors at least. Can't really complain, though. At least it's going up! :tup:

Wish I could say the same about 1WTC, though it is going up... just really slowly...

1Boston
Jan 17, 2012, 11:52 PM
I don't really mind 1wtc slowing down as long as this speeds up. If this t/o soon then at least we'll have a new tower in the sky thats finished and shiny. And it would mean that the guys working at 4wtc could go to 1wtc and speed that process up.

NewYorkSkyline117
Jan 18, 2012, 2:33 AM
Same pace. Don't know...

You seem to know a lot of information...where do you get it from? it's very impressive

Roadcruiser1
Jan 18, 2012, 3:33 AM
You seem to know a lot of information...where do you get it from? it's very impressive

The PDF for the buildings, information I can find online, WTC.com, and World Trade Center progress. If you work hard enough you can learn about the buildings inside out which is exactly what I am doing, but only because I want to be an architect.

steveve
Jan 18, 2012, 3:39 AM
this tower is clever the way the setback at the top lines up with that black steel building behind it, and the way the lower part of the tower's angle lines up with 7 WTC and the setback starts in/around the height of 7 WTC too,

i think this towers sole purpose is a complimenter tower and the transition between the rest of the city and the WTC complex. that's why it's pretty conservative in design,

this setback is turning out better than expected (if such a thing... yes, it's just a setback). it adds some cool geometry to it, especially from that street view ^^^

CarlosV
Jan 18, 2012, 3:57 PM
^^^
I don't think the architect was thinking that way..he just wanted to create a beautiful skyscraper..no architecht wants to take a back seat to another one in such high profile project, he is japanese so perhaps his cultural background influenced his design....thats it! IMO :rolleyes:


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NewYorkSkyline117
Jan 18, 2012, 9:03 PM
The PDF for the buildings, information I can find online, WTC.com, and World Trade Center progress. If you work hard enough you can learn about the buildings inside out which is exactly what I am doing, but only because I want to be an architect.

Are you still in high school?

Roadcruiser1
Jan 18, 2012, 9:21 PM
Are you still in high school?

A senior that is going to graduate in June and go to an architectural college. :D

NYguy
Jan 19, 2012, 10:12 AM
^ Folks, that's what the PM's are for.


^Huh. Who knew that 4wtc would (at least temporarily) terminate the view of a street. That's a neat shot.

Lower Manhattan's street grid is not as rigid as Midtown's, so there are surprising views of the new wtc from various angles.


michael.2999.pics (http://www.flickr.com/photos/52836039@N02/6700681413/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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A little more on the design...
http://www.wtc.com/about/office-tower-4/office-tower-4-design

In designing 150 Greenwich Street, Maki and Associates took a two–fold approach – creating a "minimalist" tower that would assume an understated, reverent position opposite the memorial while developing a more active podium intended to foster interaction with the immediate urban environment at pedestrian street level, bringing energy and vitality as part of the overall downtown redevelopment effort.

The building's façades will be clad in floor–to–ceiling windows utilizing composite glass with multiple layers of coatings intended to achieve a mat metallic quality with a luminous sheen. This will give the tower an abstract quality – minimal, light, cool in color, and ephemeral, changing with the light of day. Seen from a distance, the tower will possess a unique angular profile that is chiselled at its crown, assuming position amid the spiral composition proscribed for Towers 1 through 4 under the master plan for the site.

The two glass obtuse edges of the tower on the southwest and northeast corners will be articulated with dramatic indentations, making them appear slender and sharp. Inside, a single edge will form two corners with a window from the open office to allow for uninterrupted views at the corner tip of the floor.

The inner core wall of the lobby is clad in polished black granite to mirror the Memorial inside and is rotated to realign the geometry of the space so that it is parallel to the park. The walls of the elevator banks are finished in fused oak and glass panels to echo the oak trees lining the Memorial Park.

The four corners of the building site lie at varying topographical elevations, resulting in a 12–foot difference from the high point on the corner of Church and Cortlandt Streets to the lowest point on the corner of Greenwich and Liberty Streets, diagonally across the site. As a result, the street fronts of the building at ground level on all four sides will be on an incline, and the interior levels all will need to mitigate the differences to achieve comfortable entry points as well as harmonious spatial relationships with the surrounding pedestrian environment.

CarlosV
Jan 19, 2012, 8:04 PM
3rd crane fully assembled...

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NYguy
Jan 20, 2012, 7:17 AM
Taken from WTC Progress (http://www.facebook.com/wtcprogress#!/photo.php?fbid=238223876254858&set=a.133475800063000.32624.109423129134934&type=1&theater)


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/141017460/large.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/141017460/original.jpg

2-TOWERS
Jan 20, 2012, 1:48 PM
So much for the Dallas Cowboys having the biggest,largest HDTV..

CarlosV
Jan 20, 2012, 9:40 PM
one crane is on its way down.......all happened within 4 hours....

1.

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2.

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DSC_5155 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6732730369/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

Otie
Jan 20, 2012, 10:24 PM
Great update, Carlos! The crane being removed is the one located at Quadrant 3 (west crane). They're also removing the sliding crane and the newer one will take its place, being used by the concrete contractor.

Davidsam52
Jan 20, 2012, 11:51 PM
Looking at closeups of the cab of the new crane; correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is the same crane that was removed from Tower 2.

NewYorkSkyline117
Jan 21, 2012, 12:33 AM
Okay guys I'm sorry this is reallllllllly off topic but heres just a progress rendering of 4 WTC.....I'm sure Carlos could do better :)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6733414243_8d8e17ccf3_b.jpg

davidinasia
Jan 21, 2012, 2:00 AM
Great update, Carlos! The crane being removed is the one located at Quadrant 3 (west crane). They're also removing the sliding crane and the newer one will take its place, being used by the concrete contractor.

That's great, with the removal of the sliding crane it will enable them to put in a lot of glass that was blocked by the crane supports.

Eidolon
Jan 21, 2012, 2:52 AM
Okay guys I'm sorry this is reallllllllly off topic but heres just a progress rendering of 4 WTC.....I'm sure Carlos could do better :)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6733414243_8d8e17ccf3_b.jpg
Looks great! :tup:
The part after the setback could be a little taller but otherwise it looks accurate and I love it.

Roadcruiser1
Jan 21, 2012, 2:57 AM
Okay guys I'm sorry this is reallllllllly off topic but heres just a progress rendering of 4 WTC.....I'm sure Carlos could do better :)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6733414243_8d8e17ccf3_b.jpg

There are other threads for the other buildings. Four World Trade Center or 150 Greenwich Street is in the Highrise Construction thread.

NewYorkSkyline117
Jan 21, 2012, 4:37 AM
Looks great! :tup:
The part after the setback could be a little taller but otherwise it looks accurate and I love it.

Thanks yeah I need to get a hang of the proportion settings in photoshop :D

AJM
Jan 21, 2012, 2:26 PM
Looking at closeups of the cab of the new crane; correct me if I'm wrong but I believe it is the same crane that was removed from Tower 2.

Crane that came down at Tower 2 was a TG 2300B from Cornell, looks like the new crane atop Tower 4 is a TG 1900 from Federated.

Davidsam52
Jan 21, 2012, 9:16 PM
Crane that came down at Tower 2 was a TG 2300B from Cornell, looks like the new crane atop Tower 4 is a TG 1900 from Federated.

Ok, it does look similar; the boom is different (not red/white like the T2 crane was):)

babybackribs2314
Jan 22, 2012, 1:18 AM
Photo taken by me; glass is INCREDIBLE.

full update on my blog,

http://newyorkyimby.blogspot.com/2012/01/new-wtc-construction-update.html

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/2637/wtc30.jpg

Duck From NY
Jan 22, 2012, 1:47 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7005/6700681413_26a38ca938_b.jpg

Sorry for saying this again, but man oh man I wish the Singer Building could be seen reflecting off this glass wall. I know, I know, no point...

xnyr
Jan 24, 2012, 1:21 AM
Sorry for saying this again, but man oh man I wish the Singer Building could be seen reflecting off this glass wall. I know, I know, no point...


Wouldn't that be sweet.

Well, there's always Photoshop.

Guiltyspark
Jan 25, 2012, 4:48 AM
A senior that is going to graduate in June and go to an architectural college. :D

I was going to school to become an architect. I was top of my class at LTU in Southfield Michigan. Two years and almost 40 grand later I realized there were no jobs (architects have an incredibly high unemployment rate) and all the ones I knew with jobs were working on exciting stuff like CVS zoning compliance in Ohio or cookie-cutter houses. Unless you are a starchatect it can be a very frustrating field because everyone in it is so creative, but very few of them get to do creative work. Anyway, I hope you are successful. A little advice, learn CAD and photoshop before you start school or you will already be behind.

As for 4WTC, this building is looking more and more Japanese all the time, which I love.

Roadcruiser1
Jan 25, 2012, 4:54 AM
I was going to school to become an architect. I was top of my class at LTU in Southfield Michigan. Two years and almost 40 grand later I realized there were no jobs (architects have an incredibly high unemployment rate) and all the ones I knew with jobs were working on exciting stuff like CVS zoning compliance in Ohio or cookie-cutter houses. Unless you are a starchatect it can be a very frustrating field because everyone in it is so creative, but very few of them get to do creative work. Anyway, I hope you are successful. A little advice, learn CAD and photoshop before you start school or you will already be behind.

As for 4WTC, this building is looking more and more Japanese all the time, which I love.

The difference is I am living in NYC which always has some sort of building project going on.

ardecila
Jan 25, 2012, 5:26 AM
I was going to school to become an architect. I was top of my class at LTU in Southfield Michigan. Two years and almost 40 grand later I realized there were no jobs (architects have an incredibly high unemployment rate) and all the ones I knew with jobs were working on exciting stuff like CVS zoning compliance in Ohio or cookie-cutter houses. Unless you are a starchatect it can be a very frustrating field because everyone in it is so creative, but very few of them get to do creative work. Anyway, I hope you are successful. A little advice, learn CAD and photoshop before you start school or you will already be behind.

As for 4WTC, this building is looking more and more Japanese all the time, which I love.

Nobody gives you anything. If you want to be creative and design buildings, you need to be the one who makes it happen. Get your practical experience doing the boring stuff, and let your employer pay you while you work on getting licensed. If you're lucky, you can find an employer who gives you stimulating work. If not, the experience (and the money) is still worthwhile in the medium-term.

Once you get licensed, you're free to start your own business where you are in charge of finding the work that you personally find stimulating. This might mean moving to a different city or a different state (obviously transferring your license). Just on this forum, there are architects and designers who are doing interesting work in cities around the country - it's not just on the coasts, and not just in the wealthy areas.

The people who stay doing "CVS zoning compliance", as you put it, are often those that have other life goals that don't involve "intellectual architecture". If you start a family, or you need to be close to your relatives, etc. then that will limit your choices, but they're still YOUR choices to make. If you're in one of those situations, it's up to you to decide whether you prefer the stability of the housing-tract work or the potential excitement but big risk of starting your own practice, and to weigh the consequences of that decision on the other aspects of your life.

I don't mean to belittle your feelings. I'm facing a really crappy employment market myself. But this notion that outside conditions are somehow "forcing" you to abandon your dreams is something I disagree with. If there's an obstacle, you need to figure out how to get around it - even if they didn't teach you that in school. You can't get everything in life, but you can almost always get one thing if you're willing to sacrifice everything else.

Roadcruiser1
Jan 25, 2012, 5:33 AM
Nobody gives you anything. If you want to be creative and design buildings, you need to be the one who makes it happen. Get your practical experience doing the boring stuff, and let your employer pay you while you work on getting licensed. If you're lucky, you can find an employer who gives you stimulating work. If not, the experience (and the money) is still worthwhile in the medium-term.

Once you get licensed, you're free to start your own business where you are in charge of finding the work that you personally find stimulating. This might mean moving to a different city or a different state (obviously transferring your license). Just on this forum, there are architects and designers who are doing interesting work in cities around the country - it's not just on the coasts, and not just in the wealthy areas.

The people who stay doing "CVS zoning compliance", as you put it, are often those that have other life goals that don't involve "intellectual architecture". If you start a family, or you need to be close to your relatives, etc. then that will limit your choices, but they're still YOUR choices to make. If you're in one of those situations, it's up to you to decide whether you prefer the stability of the housing-tract work or the potential excitement but big risk of starting your own practice, and to weigh the consequences of that decision on the other aspects of your life.

I don't mean to belittle your feelings. I'm facing a really crappy employment market myself. But this notion that outside conditions are somehow "forcing" you to abandon your dreams is something I disagree with. If there's an obstacle, you need to figure out how to get around it - even if they didn't teach you that in school. You can't get everything in life, but you can almost always get one thing if you're willing to sacrifice everything else.

I found 9,000 architecture jobs in NYC on Indeed.com paying 80K or more in 1 hit. I also expect the economy to be more better by the time I graduate. So I expect the number to be higher. NYC is also the Headquarters of Kohn Pedersen Fox a major architecture firm which I didn't find on Indeed that you can also work for.

meh_cd
Jan 25, 2012, 8:05 PM
I found 9,000 architecture jobs in NYC on Indeed.com paying 80K or more in 1 hit. I also expect the economy to be more better by the time I graduate. So I expect the number to be higher. NYC is also the Headquarters of Kohn Pedersen Fox a major architecture firm which I didn't find on Indeed that you can also work for.

This is getting off topic, but just because the internet found 9k architecture jobs doesn't mean you would qualify for even a quarter of them right out of school. Most jobs today require several years of experience just to be considered for the position. And in today's economy, the old adage "it is who you know, not what you know" could not be more correct.

NYCLuver
Jan 25, 2012, 9:07 PM
January 24th, 2012

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hunser
Jan 25, 2012, 9:23 PM
:previous: Still looks too fat imho, but with those setback floors it's only a matter of time till it really starts to soar.

Regarding the cladding: we got a nice match here for the city's best new cladding this year: 4WTC, One57 and Gem Tower. :yes:

Dac150
Jan 25, 2012, 9:55 PM
This tower is a class act - very sharp looking already and it will come out looking well put together.

Noll
Jan 28, 2012, 2:24 PM
WTC Progress on Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/WTCProgress).
http://p.twimg.com/AkLIcEzCQAEdBwg.jpg:large
A View of T4 atop T1

steveve
Jan 28, 2012, 4:56 PM
WOW! this tower just completely changed its image in the past few weeks! this thing is crazy skinny now (of course depending on your angle.. and will only get slimmer!), this thing is too awesome! can't describe it! especially from the memorial park!

meh_cd
Jan 28, 2012, 5:45 PM
This is the kind of simple design that would have been perfect for a set of mini-twins. Just mirror the design and plop one next door.

But that might have looked too much like Time Warner Center. Either way, the setback is making it look that much better. I think the Greenwich Street towers are going to steal the show from Tower 1 when all is said and done, since their lobbies will be much more inviting what with the above ground retail, below ground access, and lack of a ~20 story concrete bunker. Tower 1 is probably going to be a huge pain in the ass when it comes to security.

Otie
Jan 28, 2012, 5:57 PM
^Agree, Greenwich Street alone will have interesting stuff from an architectural viewpoint than any other typical street in New York.

NewYorkDominates
Jan 28, 2012, 7:15 PM
Does anyone believe Trinity Place will be comparable to Avenue of the Americas,in terms of giving it the "Grand Canyon" l

colemonkee
Jan 28, 2012, 9:12 PM
I love how in NYCLuver's second shot, the museum almost looks like the base of Tower 4 - and they work together well. The glass on the museum practically matches the glass on Tower 4, just set on a diagonal angle. Great coordination between the two projects, even if it's not entirely on purpose.

J_M_Tungsten
Jan 28, 2012, 10:11 PM
Today

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hunser
Jan 30, 2012, 2:19 PM
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Brooklyn Bridge & a dangerous baseball field (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jasonpiercephotography/6773677031/) von Jason Pierce Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/jasonpiercephotography/) auf Flickr

cadiomals
Jan 30, 2012, 11:25 PM
By itself, 4WTC seems disappointingly plain. But place it next to the three other (completed) towers and it becomes obvious why it has a plain design. Its not meant to steal the spotlight, the three other towers are supposed to (less of the third tower, mostly the first two). Its presence is simply meant to complete the site, not be a centerpiece. To me though, its still a very classy and dignified design, and the shimmering facade is gorgeous.

Once the entire World Trade Center is complete with all four towers, downtown will be beautiful again, and the skyline will be more than restored.:cheers:

CarlosV
Jan 31, 2012, 6:42 PM
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NYguy
Feb 1, 2012, 1:12 PM
fulvue (http://www.flickr.com/photos/31324280@N02/6789361391/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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cadiomals
Feb 2, 2012, 2:54 AM
The funny thing about 4WTC is that at 72 stories, in almost any other city it would be huge and dominate the skyline. Yet here it will be dwarfed by the sizes of the three other towers. Goes to show how big this project is.:banana:

Wheelingman04
Feb 2, 2012, 4:24 AM
The funny thing about 4WTC is that at 72 stories, in almost any other city it would be huge and dominate the skyline. Yet here it will be dwarfed by the sizes of the three other towers. Goes to show how big this project is.:banana:

Exactly. Even the Comcast Tower which is really tall and bold in Philly is about the same height

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 2, 2012, 4:34 AM
^ But the Comcast Center is a stick compared to 4WTC.

Zapatan
Feb 2, 2012, 11:00 AM
The funny thing about 4WTC is that at 72 stories, in almost any other city it would be huge and dominate the skyline. Yet here it will be dwarfed by the sizes of the three other towers. Goes to show how big this project is.:banana:


Only 1WTC really dwarfs tower 4.

2WTCs slant begins at about 950 feet, so the tower gets narrow up top, 3WTC may only turn out to be 90 feet taller, but hopefully not.

NYguy
Feb 2, 2012, 12:39 PM
The funny thing about 4WTC is that at 72 stories, in almost any other city it would be huge and dominate the skyline.
Yet here it will be dwarfed by the sizes of the three other towers.

That's just about the only thing I regret about this tower - the location. It will be dwarfed by the 3 larger towers, appearing as more filler on the skyline,
when in reality it could easily dominate many others.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/137541751/original.jpg



NorcrossMedia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/norcrossmedia/6750379733/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6750379733_261f75889c_b.jpg

cadiomals
Feb 2, 2012, 6:38 PM
That's just about the only thing I regret about this tower - the location. It will be dwarfed by the 3 larger towers, appearing as more filler on the skyline,
when in reality it could easily dominate many others.


That's what its supposed to be, though, just a building to fill in the skyline. Its not meant to steal the spotlight or be a centerpiece like 1WTC or the two other towers. But its simple presence completes the complex and brings a sense of closure, which is why it is small and has a simplified yet noticeable design. I've always said this to people who say 4WTC should have been taller and had a bolder design.

NYguy
Feb 2, 2012, 6:47 PM
That's what its supposed to be, though, just a building to fill in the skyline. Its not meant to steal the spotlight or be a centerpiece like 1WTC or the two other towers.

Obviously. However, a 977 ft building easily dominates in most other locations, that's the point we're making.

Roadcruiser1
Feb 2, 2012, 6:57 PM
Obviously. However, a 977 ft building easily dominates in most other locations, that's the point we're making.

If Four World Trade Center was built in Honolulu, San Francisco, Boston, and Miami it would be the tallest building in their skyline. For example Honolulu's tallest building is 350 feet. If you put Four World Trade Center into their skyline it would easily be seen everywhere since it would be 620 feet taller than any other building surrounding it.

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 2, 2012, 9:55 PM
If you put 4WTC in Dubai today it would be the 18th tallest. If you put 4WTC in Dubai in 1999 it would've been the tallest.

Kevin Scott Koepke
Feb 3, 2012, 1:51 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7144/6809644793_e39bbc021d_z.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6809644793/)
going up! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevinskoepke/6809644793/) by kevin scott koepke photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/kevinskoepke/), on Flickr

Please do not repost, copy, or otherwise reproduce. Thank you.:banana:

cadiomals
Feb 3, 2012, 3:29 AM
:previous:It seems like forever that I've been waiting for them to finally reach the setback. Progress is definitely being made.

NewYorkSkyline117
Feb 4, 2012, 3:31 AM
How tall is it, 850 feet? If not has it suprassed the Woolworth Building?

NYguy
Feb 4, 2012, 3:01 PM
As far as I can tell, we haven't hit 800 ft just yet.


If you put 4WTC in Dubai today it would be the 18th tallest. If you put 4WTC in Dubai in 1999 it would've been the tallest.

An extreme case, the Freedom Tower itself would be dwarfed. For most places, a 977 ft tower stands out. Tower 4 will be the fourth tallest on the
lower Manhattan skyline, in the shadow of taller towers. However, even if you place it on the opposite side of the skyline, it would stand out just a bit more.



February 3, 2012

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NewYorkSkyline117
Feb 4, 2012, 6:16 PM
[QUOTE=NYguy;5577164]As far as I can tell, we haven't hit 800 ft just yet.




An extreme case, the Freedom Tower itself would be dwarfed. For most places, a 977 ft tower stands out. Tower 4 will be the fourth tallest on the
lower Manhattan skyline, in the shadow of taller towers. However, even if you place it on the opposite side of the skyline, it would stand out just a bit more.


Cool. When do you think steel should go up for this one

Wheelingman04
Feb 4, 2012, 7:31 PM
^ But the Comcast Center is a stick compared to 4WTC.

Yes that is very true also. This tower is bulky and has the height also.

Jaystang5
Feb 5, 2012, 2:51 AM
:previous: the reflection in photo 15 is kind of a reminder of the former twins:sly: what building is that?

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 5, 2012, 3:50 AM
^ In pic 15 1 WTC is to the extreme right. 4 WTC is reflecting 1 Liberty Plaza to the left (black building), and the Century 21 Building (to the right).

SkyscrapersOfNewYork
Feb 5, 2012, 3:52 AM
:previous: the reflection in photo 15 is kind of a reminder of the former twins:sly: what building is that?

22 Courtladnt st.

http://www.infohedge.net/images/22Cortlandt.jpg
http://www.infohedge.net/images/22Cortlandt.jpg

NYguy
Feb 5, 2012, 3:30 PM
-ytf- (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ytf/6820725669/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7005/6820725669_58e6c47e19_b.jpg



http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7005/6820725669_e7648f8828_o.jpg

Zapatan
Feb 5, 2012, 4:41 PM
Lookin' good.


But people really need to stop calling it Freedom Tower, it's not called that anymore for good reason.

Zapatan
Feb 5, 2012, 4:47 PM
I love how people are saying 3WTC (1070 feet) will dwarf 4WTC (980 feet)

It's not even 100 feet taller c'mon

(Unless of course 3WTC ends of being constructed at it's full height, then it will be noticably bigger)

cadiomals
Feb 5, 2012, 5:19 PM
I love how people are saying 3WTC (1070 feet) will dwarf 4WTC (980 feet)

It's not even 100 feet taller c'mon

(Unless of course 3WTC ends of being constructed at it's full height, then it will be noticably bigger)

Yeah, it's weird, they actually shortened the height of that tower a little bit when they got rid of the x-bracing, I noticed it in the new renderings. Why they did that I'm not sure, but it'll still definitely be a noticeable part of the skyline.

steveve
Feb 5, 2012, 5:30 PM
Some photos from Wednesday/Thursday from the 53rd floor of the hilton

*sorry I couldn't get very good angles because the windows were really dirty and the blinds in the room were white and caused too many reflections

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6824122281_84c0254420_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7026/6824115393_16be6738fd_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7167/6824119463_6d38c9cdf9_z.jpg

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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7170/6824128145_32234a4f30_b.jpg

EDIT: more photos:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7002/6824161727_0315f82f34_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7006/6824167225_8993748d1d_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7175/6824173795_ba9ee2dec1_b.jpg

steveve
Feb 5, 2012, 6:09 PM
More photos:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6824332265_07070c7b4b_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6824336387_ce2d3dfc02_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6824340565_c2be503eff_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7154/6824344665_efa3814594_b.jpg


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7027/6824347787_b623e1b798_b.jpg

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hunser
Feb 5, 2012, 6:17 PM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7175/6824173795_ba9ee2dec1_b.jpg

Omg, what a sight!! And the glass is just spectacular.

Gorgeous pics man, thanks for sharing.:tup:

Danielson27
Feb 5, 2012, 7:50 PM
:previous: Oh I see they removed the sliding crane. Cladding on the NE side should catch up now :yes:...Great pics steveve:tup:

cadiomals
Feb 6, 2012, 12:23 AM
The smooth, solid, unbroken glass facade really belies the height of this building in photos. I was in Lower Manhattan several hours ago and I went to check out this building (as well as 1WTC). It is HUGE. All the photos I've seen cannot adequately convey the size of this building. In the original Twin Towers, the vertical beams in the facade gave you a good idea in the photos of how big they were. But the new WTC won't have that. So to truly experience the hugeness (is that a word?) of these buildings you have to come to LM and experience them yourself, up close and personal.:banana:

Davidsam52
Feb 6, 2012, 3:47 AM
:previous: Oh I see they removed the sliding crane. Cladding on the NE side should catch up now :yes:...Great pics steveve:tup:

Yes...once they remove also the track system that the sliding crane used.;)

RoldanTTLB
Feb 6, 2012, 4:58 PM
Track is gone as of this morning. Maybe I'll post a pic this evening. Also, this view will have good shot of 99 Washington as it rises. My understanding is that the crane was installed over the weekend, and it might already be visible from this angle.

Zapatan
Feb 6, 2012, 8:25 PM
so this will basically be a 300 meter mirror with 4 sides

I can dig it :D

winlinmac001
Feb 7, 2012, 4:44 PM
GO NY GIANTS!
4WTC ON YOUR RIGHT! :banana:



http://i44.tinypic.com/20frxo7.png

winlinmac001
Feb 7, 2012, 5:03 PM
NOW THAT'S PROGRESS! :banana:

http://i44.tinypic.com/18hoog.png

winlinmac001
Feb 7, 2012, 5:21 PM
BIG BLUE! GO BLUE! HERE'S A WRAP-UP, SET-TOP OF 4WTC!
:banana:
http://i39.tinypic.com/t8nedg.png

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 8, 2012, 3:15 AM
codecarnage (http://www.flickr.com/photos/codecarnage/6838778107/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

A bit old but REALLY captures the cladding

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7013/6838778107_450ffd6f0c_b.jpg

OrionDay2012
Feb 8, 2012, 10:03 AM
I have to say, the more high resolution pics that have been posted of 4wtc, the more I notice how this new generation of building represents an updated version of the Art Deco that was wildly popular in the city 80 years ago. Back when the ESB took shape, a new form of architecture brought on by better steel and tech gave the city buildings that to this day are among it's tallest. Now there is a new first with design, and safety. Mirror glass complimented by perforated steel, and frosting, and geometric shapes and curves that were not feasible are happening now. We are going to see a new art deco standard, like one57. And Hopefully not like one liberty Plaza. That's one ugly bitch. Seems to me we only inject art and magnificence into our buildings and cities when we are feeling down as a country..

crewex
Feb 8, 2012, 2:01 PM
If they removed the sliding crane......how are they doing the work that was being done by it before? The buildiing still has another ~20 floors of concrete and interiors to do right?

pnapp1
Feb 8, 2012, 5:35 PM
If they removed the sliding crane......how are they doing the work that was being done by it before? The buildiing still has another ~20 floors of concrete and interiors to do right?

The new crane on the roof (bellow the set back) will handle those duties now.

jd3189
Feb 8, 2012, 9:39 PM
I have to say, the more high resolution pics that have been posted of 4wtc, the more I notice how this new generation of building represents an updated version of the Art Deco that was wildly popular in the city 80 years ago. Back when the ESB took shape, a new form of architecture brought on by better steel and tech gave the city buildings that to this day are among it's tallest. Now there is a new first with design, and safety. Mirror glass complimented by perforated steel, and frosting, and geometric shapes and curves that were not feasible are happening now. We are going to see a new art deco standard, like one57. And Hopefully not like one liberty Plaza. That's one ugly bitch. Seems to me we only inject art and magnificence into our buildings and cities when we are feeling down as a country..

Agreed. We are going to see a new New York soon.