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Otie
Feb 21, 2012, 4:06 AM
It wasn't until recently Tower 4 reached Woolworth's height.

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 21, 2012, 5:50 AM
^ It's about to eclipse the 900 foot mark. Woolworth is 792 feet.

Otie
Feb 21, 2012, 12:37 PM
^
The core columns reach floor 54 (El. 1,110'-2" above datum) or about 798' above Greenwich Street (add +4' for column splices)

NYguy
Feb 21, 2012, 1:34 PM
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Noll
Feb 21, 2012, 3:17 PM
Looks like more glass is going up.

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http://www.earthcam.com/usa/newyork/worldtradecenter/

lakegz
Feb 22, 2012, 11:00 AM
Looks to be about 780-90 feet tall. Just a tad taller than 1 Liberty

NewYorkSkyline117
Feb 22, 2012, 9:17 PM
It wasn't until recently Tower 4 reached Woolworth's height.

That's what I thought, I was just gonna say, a few months ago?

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 22, 2012, 11:04 PM
Lowermanhattan.info (http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/world_trade_center_tower_76774.aspx)

*The following information was last updated on February 17, 2012.

-Steel is now above floor 62

We should be around 870-900 feet above ground.

It wasn't until recently Tower 4 reached Woolworth's height.

The steel is above floor 62, as of the 17th. That's ten floors below the topping out point. So we're definitely at the 800-900 foot point, but it hasn't hit 900 feet yet. We're above 800 feet.

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 22, 2012, 11:15 PM
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THE BIG APPLE
Feb 22, 2012, 11:36 PM
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Davidsam52
Feb 23, 2012, 12:13 AM
That crane atop the setback floors singin' "Lonely, I'm Mr. Lonely...":D

Otie
Feb 23, 2012, 2:46 AM
The steel is above floor 62, as of the 17th. That's ten floors below the topping out point. So we're definitely at the 800-900 foot point, but it hasn't hit 900 feet yet. We're above 800 feet.

LowerManhattan can say whatever they want, but I've got the elevation prints, top of steel is at 54th.


That's what I thought, I was just gonna say, a few months ago?
Tower 4 is 798 (add +4' for splices) above Greenwich Entrance, being about 10' taller than Woolworth since they got core columns in place last week; though Woolworth is still higher at this moment due to topography.

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 23, 2012, 2:52 AM
^ So a building in Denver is the WTB. NO. Topography shouldn't count. The buildings height from street level to roof (or spire), should count. But I get that it looks taller because of a higher elevation than 4WTC.

Duck From NY
Feb 23, 2012, 3:28 PM
This building is so much better in real life than in renderings. When I first saw the final plans, I was disappointed. Now I love it. One Liberty has no right to stand next to this beauty.

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 23, 2012, 3:34 PM
^ If the Singer Building, was here, people would say '4WTC has no right standing next to that beauty'. It look awesome in real life.

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 23, 2012, 4:02 PM
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On a lighter note after the dreadful crane incident; you can see the Steel Mullions starting to cover the base (as I first noted a few (alot) of pages back).

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Duck From NY
Feb 23, 2012, 5:58 PM
^ If the Singer Building, was here, people would say '4WTC has no right standing next to that beauty'. It look awesome in real life.

I'm sure some would, but everyone who's seen 4WTC in person was very pleasantly surprised. And man-o-man would the Singer Building reflect beautifully against it.

Davidsam52
Feb 24, 2012, 12:38 AM
I'm sure some would, but everyone who's seen 4WTC in person was very pleasantly surprised. And man-o-man would the Singer Building reflect beautifully against it.

Why doesn't someone propose and design a modernized version of the Singer Building?

It is true that the Singer was the tallest building ever brought down for peaceful purposes, (i.e. by a demolition company).

Roadcruiser1
Feb 24, 2012, 1:44 AM
Why doesn't someone propose and design a modernized version of the Singer Building?

It is true that the Singer was the tallest building ever brought down for peaceful purposes, (i.e. by a demolition company).

1) Someone did, but it failed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Ferry_Plaza

2) Nope.

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 24, 2012, 2:03 AM
^ South Ferry Plaza wasn't based off the Singer Building.

It is true that the Singer was the tallest building ever brought down for peaceful purposes, (i.e. by a demolition company).

The Singer was the tallest building pre disassembled. The tallest buildings to fall were the old Twin Towers. The tallest free standing structure, to be brought down was the Matla Nuclear Power Station Smokestack in Johannesburg, South Africa at 906 ft.

Guiltyspark
Feb 24, 2012, 2:28 AM
The Singer was the tallest building pre disassembled. The tallest buildings to fall were the old Twin Towers. The tallest free standing structure, to be brought down was the Matla Nuclear Power Station Smokestack in Johannesburg, South Africa at 906 ft.[/QUOTE]

Keyword peaceful. The destruction of the old Twin Towers of the WTC clearly do not fall into that category. I also don't think he as asking about the tallest smokestack...

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 24, 2012, 3:00 PM
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dar124
Feb 24, 2012, 4:41 PM
Looks like they've got 2 cranes back up on 4WTC again!!!

MrSlippery519
Feb 24, 2012, 4:53 PM
Looks like that is from a few weeks ago as they are installing steel one level up from that picture...so sadly only one crane at the moment.

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 24, 2012, 5:02 PM
^ Yeah it's from a few weeks ago, the city still hustling and bustling the same as in the pic, and 1 Liberty Plaza, looking evermore ugly.

THE BIG APPLE
Feb 24, 2012, 9:24 PM
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THE BIG APPLE
Feb 26, 2012, 5:35 AM
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Chapelo
Feb 26, 2012, 7:16 AM
The fireproofing blanket was removed today. Was that because of the wind?

Roadcruiser1
Feb 28, 2012, 7:58 PM
Relates to here.

And just when we were talking about tenants. This article just came hot off the press this morning.

A Whole Lotta Space Up for the Takin’ in 2013
By Daniel Edward Rosen


While leasing activity for much of New York City in the past few months has been more lackluster than blockbuster, a sizable chunk of available space –sizable in the, say, 6 million square foot range– is on the cusp of hitting the market, The Wall Street Journal reports.

New developments like 1 World Trade Center, 4 World Trade Center, and Edward Minskoff’s 51 Astor Place, are all slated to hit the market in 2013. The last time NYC had this much new space becoming available was in 1989, said Cassidy Turley’s Robert Sammons.

But this isn’t giving developers like Mr. Minskoff a roaring case of agita and insomnia.

“I sleep well at night,” Mr. Minskoff told The WSJ .

As WSJ (and Commercial Observer alumni Laura Kusisto) points out:

“… the bulge in the delivery pipeline comes at a time when demand in the New York office market is showing signs of flagging because of the contraction in the financial-services industry. Tenants with more than 5,000 square feet leased 5.9 million square feet in the fourth quarter, compared with 6 million square feet in the third quarter and 6.2 million square feet in the fourth quarter of 2010, according to Colliers International.

Also, financial-services firms are likely to pull back from more than 2 million square feet of space requirements in the next couple of years. That’s going to put pressure on owners to possibly cut rents to fill space in their towers.”

In short, there’s going to be a whole lotta inventory, but not too many takers, some fear. Unveiling new space at a painful time in the market, much like the struggling 11 Times Square building (which was built during the downturn and is now roughly 60 percent vacant), can spell restless nights for owners, Ms. Kusisto reports.

“Manhattan development tends to run in cycles. There was an enormous surge of new construction in the late 1980s as developers scrambled to take advantage of expiring tax breaks.

The result: Many speculative buildings hit the market just as the national economy went into the recession of the early 1990s. Many of the developers wound up losing their buildings to banks and some of the projects sat empty for years.”

Other possible concerns are tenants who are becoming more hip to smaller and more efficient office spaces. When the leases for these tenants come up, they are taking less, not more, space.

And if firms flock for the newer buildings, it will come at the expense of older ones.

“‘What you end up with is a segmented marketplace, where certain buildings are going to lease and other buildings might just languish with empty space,’” says Paul Glickman, of Jones Lang LaSalle, who is on the team leasing 51 Astor.”

But such concerns are not keeping Mr. Minskoff and World Trade Center developer Larry Silverstein up at night… at least, not in 2012.

http://www.observer.com/2012/02/a-whole-lotta-space-up-for-the-takin-in-2013-wsj-sez/

NYguy
Feb 28, 2012, 9:04 PM
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Dac150
Feb 28, 2012, 9:08 PM
Absolutely love that first shot above!

hunser
Feb 28, 2012, 9:16 PM
It's all coming together now. Notice how everyone can see that 4WTC has clearly surpassed OLP.

NYguy
Feb 29, 2012, 3:48 PM
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THE BIG APPLE
Feb 29, 2012, 11:39 PM
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NYguy
Mar 1, 2012, 2:14 AM
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THE BIG APPLE
Mar 1, 2012, 2:51 AM
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DrNest
Mar 1, 2012, 3:00 AM
^ Yeah it's from a few weeks ago, the city still hustling and bustling the same as in the pic, and 1 Liberty Plaza, looking evermore ugly.

I think 1 Liberty Plaza is a fantastic skyscraper that compliments beautifully with the new 4 WTC. They will be perfect companions once construction is completed.

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 1, 2012, 3:02 AM
Yeah but look at the 4 World Trade Center photo (the second one) on this page. There will be a stark difference between 1LP and 4 World Trade Center, especially since one's old and one's new, one looks dirty and one looks BRAND NEW (4WTC) and clean.

Roadcruiser1
Mar 1, 2012, 3:03 AM
Crane Accident Raises Safety Questions at World Trade Center

By Julie Shapiro

More than a week after a cable snapped at 4 World Trade Center and sent a massive load of steel beams plummeting 40 stories to the ground, big questions loom about what happened and why.

City, state and federal investigators flooded the site in the wake of the Feb. 16 accident, but so far none have come to any conclusions about why the cable failed.

The Department of Buildings, which ordinarily investigates major construction mishaps in the city, does not have its usual authority at the World Trade Center because the 16-acre site is owned by the Port Authority, a state agency.

The Department of Buildings did look into the recent accident — in which the falling steel beams smashed into the back of a flatbed truck, amazingly not injuring anyone — but the city agency did not have the jurisdiction to issue any safety violations and referred the matter to the Port Authority, online records show.

Catherine McVay Hughes, chairwoman of Community Board 1's World Trade Center Redevelopment Committee, said on Friday that she was concerned about how long the investigation was taking and the uncertainty over the roles of the many different agencies and contractors that are involved.

"It's already been over a week," Hughes said. "We want to know what went wrong and what's being done to prevent it from happening again."

The Buildings Department referred questions about the accident to the Port Authority, which in turn referred questions to Silverstein Properties, the private developer building 4 World Trade Center, and the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, which s spokesman was still investigating as of Friday afternoon.

Silverstein declined to comment, as did Tishman Construction, the general Contractor at 4 World Trade Center.

The crane that broke Feb. 16 was a TG-1900 tower crane made by FMC Link-Belt Construction Equipment Co., a common model that is used on many other construction sites throughout the city, sources said.

At the time of the accident, the crane was reportedly lifting three 62-foot steel beams weighing about 38,000 pounds, or nearly 20 tons, in total. That should be well within the crane's capacity of 150 tons.

But for some reason the crane's cable snapped and the steel crashed back down to the ground.

Even though no one was hurt, the accident sparked renewed calls for clearer safety oversight at the World Trade Center site, which falls into a regulatory gray area because it is owned by the state.

The Port Authority is not legally required to follow New York City building and fire codes at the World Trade Center site but has made several commitments over the years to meet or exceed the city's safety standards.

In 2009, amid concerns about crane safety at other construction sites in the city, the Port Authority agreed to allow Department of Buildings inspectors onto the World Trade Center site.

However, the DOB has to give the Port Authority advance notice of when it plans to inspect and must be escorted by the Port Authority at the World Trade Center site, according to a March 5, 2009, Memorandum of Understanding between the DOB and the Port Authority.

In practice, when the DOB is called in to investigate a safety complaint, the agency often refers the issue back to the Port Authority, according to an online listing of complaints.

State Sen. Daniel Squadron, who represents Lower Manhattan, has sponsored legislation to try to resolve the jurisdictional uncertainty at the World Trade Center and other state-owned sites. The legislation was partly in response to the many safety violations uncovered at the state-owned Deutsche Bank building after a 2007 fire there killed two firefighters.

"[The Feb. 16 accident] is just another reminder that we need better processes and more clarity on the overlapping responsibilities and city and state building and fire codes," Squadron told DNAinfo on Friday.

"The overlapping roles between city and state agencies are too often confusing."

As a result of Squadron's legislation, an appointed panel will release recommendations as soon as this spring on how to improve safety at sites like the World Trade Center.

Many workers at 4 World Trade Center appeared to take the Feb. 16 accident in stride and said they did not see an issue with safety oversight on the project.

"It was a freak accident," said Tom Purcell, 43, shop steward with the Local 638 Steamfitters union. "That no one got hurt is the main thing."

Purcell said he felt safer working at the World Trade Center than on other construction sites because there are so many different agencies overseeing it.

"It's such a high-profile job," he said.

But a 49-year-old construction worker on the tower, who did not give his name, said he did not think the oversight made the project safer.

"They put up a big front that it's safe," the worker said, "but it's rush, rush, rush like any other job. Pretty much they're all unsafe."

Last May, a four-foot steel rod fell from 4 World Trade Center and hit a teenager who was walking down Liberty Street. The teen's hand was hurt, but not seriously.

Other recent accidents include a worker who fell 20 feet from Silverstein's 3 World Trade Center last November; a 1 World Trade Center worker who was hospitalized after a piece of metal fell on his leg last July; and a 1 World Trade Center worker who was hit in the chest with equipment last May.

Read more: http://www.dnainfo.com/20120227/downtown/crane-accident-leaves-safety-questions-at-world-trade-center#ixzz1npYSaOkm

DrNest
Mar 1, 2012, 3:22 AM
Yeah but look at the 4 World Trade Center photo (the second one) on this page. There will be a stark difference between 1LP and 4 World Trade Center, especially since one's old and one's new, one looks dirty and one looks BRAND NEW (4WTC) and clean.

That's the one that makes me feel these two work together so well. Maybe 1 Liberty Plaza needs a clean up, but so will 4 WTC in, say, ten years.
I recognise folks have different tastes, but to me 1 Liberty Plaza is a symbol of the 'classic modern' skyscraper. ( I get that's an oxymoron, but it's for want of a better terminology.)

NYguy
Mar 1, 2012, 12:30 PM
This is the 4 WTC thread people, let's keep it at that.


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NYguy
Mar 1, 2012, 9:49 PM
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The Grand Architect
Mar 5, 2012, 2:11 AM
Hey guys, sorry I have been out of touch for a bit on SSP, I am busy on a few things.

Speaking of "busy", I was busy making more animation goodies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_BoAeRP1Hw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRr04jY5HmI
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I also uploaded some more renderings on my channel (Link in my sig).

NYguy
Mar 5, 2012, 5:10 PM
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Roadcruiser1
Mar 6, 2012, 2:21 AM
Four World Trade Center from Chinatown with the setting sun. Taken today.

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NYguy
Mar 6, 2012, 11:36 PM
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Mar 8, 2012, 3:11 PM
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MrSlippery519
Mar 8, 2012, 3:52 PM
Has there been any news about the Crane going back up? I see construction is still moving along slowly with the one Crane (seems the cocoon will jump soon).

Davidsam52
Mar 9, 2012, 2:58 AM
Yeah it would seem the steel pieces lost/damaged in the accident have now been not only replaced but erected as well so we should see the next jump soon- at least that's how it appears...

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 9, 2012, 3:41 AM
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NYguy
Mar 9, 2012, 5:31 AM
For the love of skyscrapers...


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Roadcruiser1
Mar 10, 2012, 8:17 PM
Even though I took them yesterday there still is no second crane.

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SoaringSkylines
Mar 10, 2012, 10:33 PM
Does anyone know what that big open space is near the 55-60th floor almost half way in the middle of the building for? Is it like a outdoor terrace or something?

If not, what is going to be on there?

(I'm talking about where half of the tower cuts off).

NYCLuver
Mar 11, 2012, 5:00 AM
March 10th, 2012

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THE BIG APPLE
Mar 11, 2012, 5:51 AM
Pretty soon the base is gonna look like this.

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/news/gallery/photos/072409_4wtcmockup01.jpg (http://www.lowermanhattan.info/news/gallery/photos/072409_4wtcmockup01.jpg)

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 11, 2012, 5:59 AM
Does anyone know what that big open space is near the 55-60th floor almost half way in the middle of the building for? Is it like a outdoor terrace or something?

If not, what is going to be on there?

(I'm talking about where half of the tower cuts off).

Here's a planned layout.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78263233/original.jpg

SoaringSkylines
Mar 11, 2012, 2:50 PM
Here's a planned layout.

http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/78263233/original.jpg

What in the world is that? LOL!

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 11, 2012, 2:56 PM
^ It's the floor layout of 4WTC in front of the silhouette of 3 WTC, which is in front of the silhouette of 2 WTC.

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 11, 2012, 2:57 PM
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SoaringSkylines
Mar 11, 2012, 3:59 PM
^ It's the floor layout of 4WTC in front of the silhouette of 3 WTC, which is in front of the silhouette of 2 WTC.

I know, but what is that big open space for in 4WTC? Like where it cuts off in the middle?

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 11, 2012, 4:06 PM
^ Mechanical floor, which this tower has 5 of. Which floor are you talking about? Maybe I'll tell you something more accurate.

SoaringSkylines
Mar 11, 2012, 4:36 PM
^ Mechanical floor, which this tower has 5 of. Which floor are you talking about? Maybe I'll tell you something more accurate.

http://www.pbase.com/image/77334126.jpg

Okay, do you see almost in the middle of the tower; right where half of the building cuts off and the other half just keeps on rising?

Okay my question is, what will the roof of that deck be used for? Like what will go there?

Roadcruiser1
Mar 11, 2012, 5:37 PM
It's just a setback. I don't think anything will go there.

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 11, 2012, 6:04 PM
Okay, do you see almost in the middle of the tower; right where half of the building cuts off and the other half just keeps on rising?

Okay my question is, what will the roof of that deck be used for? Like what will go there?

Nothing. It's just a setback. Some people have suggested that it be an observatory platform, but people's suggestions DON'T matter, only the pockets of the wealthy do.

jd3189
Mar 11, 2012, 6:42 PM
:previous: You couldn't really use it for an obs deck,even if it was possible. It's too short.

SoaringSkylines
Mar 11, 2012, 7:35 PM
Nothing. It's just a setback. Some people have suggested that it be an observatory platform, but people's suggestions DON'T matter, only the pockets of the wealthy do.

I'd hope those "wealthy people" in charge were smart to do it because putting an outdoor observation deck on 4WTC would generate a lot of revenue too.

Roadcruiser1
Mar 11, 2012, 10:01 PM
I'd hope those "wealthy people" in charge were smart to do it because putting an outdoor observation deck on 4WTC would generate a lot of revenue too.

Not much people will pay 10-20 dollars to look from an observation deck 500 feet from street level.

SoaringSkylines
Mar 11, 2012, 10:56 PM
Not much people will pay 10-20 dollars to look from an observation deck 500 feet from street level.

In New York, a city that is visited by 40-45 million people from all over the world each year, you'd be surprised.

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 12, 2012, 3:59 AM
People would kill for an OUTDOOR observation deck (at the WTC site) no matter how high it is. But it is not feasible (in the wealthy man's pockets). But in realty this is America anything's possible. It would have a killer view HEAD on of 1 WTC though.

SoaringSkylines
Mar 12, 2012, 11:40 AM
People would kill for an OUTDOOR observation deck (at the WTC site) no matter how high it is. But it is not feasible (in the wealthy man's pockets). But in realty this is America anything's possible. It would have a killer view HEAD on of 1 WTC though.

Agreed. It'll definitely be in competition there with 1WTC.. But they both will be up there high with each other..

Because yes, 1WTC has an observation deck, but it's about 1,300 ft high indoors.
Yes, 4WTC (could) have an observation deck, but it's outside.
Americans love having outdoor observation decks because it gives it a more realistic feel.

So SEEING THAT WE AREN'T HAVING A OBSERVATION DECK ON THE OTHER TOWER **Cough** 1WTC, unfortunately. I'd think it would definitely be a cool idea. At least it would bring in SOME revenue, ya know?

NYguy
Mar 13, 2012, 1:49 PM
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Guiltyspark
Mar 13, 2012, 2:14 PM
Nothing. It's just a setback. Some people have suggested that it be an observatory platform, but people's suggestions DON'T matter, only the pockets of the wealthy do.

You mad bro?

shakman
Mar 13, 2012, 5:14 PM
Nothing. It's just a setback. Some people have suggested that it be an observatory platform, but people's suggestions DON'T matter, only the pockets of the wealthy do.

Well then you should try to be wealthy. ;)

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 13, 2012, 10:04 PM
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tdawg
Mar 13, 2012, 10:16 PM
a very elegant addition to the FiDi skyline.

Chapelo
Mar 14, 2012, 3:53 AM
Who didn't see this one coming?

http://www.dnainfo.com/20120313/downtown/city-orders-lighter-crane-loads-after-wtc-accident-contractor-says

The accident set work on the tower back about two months, so it will now top out in early July rather than in early May, Tishman officials said

hunser
Mar 14, 2012, 10:50 AM
^^ To be honest, we are so used to the towers being delayed over and over again, that I don't care anymore. :haha: As long as they finish it some day, I'm good...

uaarkson
Mar 14, 2012, 12:31 PM
a very elegant addition to the FiDi skyline.

Man, where the hell did the term FiDi come from? Lower Manhattan dammit.

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 14, 2012, 12:46 PM
Financial District

SoaringSkylines
Mar 14, 2012, 2:15 PM
who didn't see this one coming?

http://www.dnainfo.com/20120313/downtown/city-orders-lighter-crane-loads-after-wtc-accident-contractor-says

"The accident set work on the tower back about two months, so it will now top out in early July rather than in early May, Tishman officials said."

Oh, OF COURSE! Like I would've never thought they'd have another excuse to push the topping out date further...............:rolleyes:

CarlosV
Mar 14, 2012, 5:10 PM
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RommeDK
Mar 16, 2012, 6:34 PM
Steel is up ;)

NewYorkSkyline117
Mar 16, 2012, 11:49 PM
I don't believe it will take that long at all..its only got a little under 200 feet to go..

CarlosV
Mar 17, 2012, 1:11 PM
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DSC_0142 copy (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ceva321/6989737123/) by Ceva321 (http://www.flickr.com/people/ceva321/), on Flickr

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 17, 2012, 1:18 PM
This building (for now) is just a backdrop to Woolworth, Beekman, Municipal, and US Court.

THE BIG APPLE
Mar 17, 2012, 2:26 PM
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NewYorkSkyline117
Mar 17, 2012, 3:46 PM
How tall is it now?

hunser
Mar 17, 2012, 4:59 PM
^^ Slightly over 800', it just passed the Woolworth recently...

http://www.lowermanhattan.info/construction/project_updates/world_trade_center_tower_76774.aspx

*The following information was last updated on March 16, 2012.

Steel is now above floor 63
Concrete is being poured above floor 47
Curtain wall installation began in late April 2011 and is now above floor 43
Fireproofing and masonry underway
Below-grade mechanical work underway
Elevator shaft work underway
Two cranes are now active at the site
The tower's substructure reached grade in mid-November 2009

NYguy
Mar 19, 2012, 12:32 AM
NorcrossMedia (http://www.flickr.com/photos/norcrossmedia/6823162408/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

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davidinasia
Mar 19, 2012, 11:41 AM
This is a nice sideways shot of the west facing ground level mullions, from DKNY617 at WNY. They still have the protective wrapping on. And if you inspect the pic carefully, you can see they now have some mullions on the south facing side as well.

http://i800.photobucket.com/albums/yy281/DKNY621/IMG_1665.jpg

Dac150
Mar 19, 2012, 4:58 PM
It's almost surreal to see how this building has already eclipsed OLP.

NYguy
Mar 20, 2012, 1:15 AM
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steveve
Mar 20, 2012, 2:19 AM
i don't get how any of the renders never showed this thing being so thin ^

Zapatan
Mar 20, 2012, 3:50 AM
The official WTC renderings made all the buildings look terrible, they should have just hired STR lol.. but yea I agree, it is slim, at least from some angles.

NYYskyline
Mar 20, 2012, 4:20 AM
Did anyone see this video http://www.wtc.com/media/videos/4%20WORLD%20TRADE%20CENTER

SoaringSkylines
Mar 20, 2012, 5:11 AM
morrongiello (http://www.flickr.com/photos/morrongiello/6997694291/sizes/l/in/photostream/)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7195/6997694291_304dccd442_b.jpg

Possibly the best shot of 4WTC that I have seen in here in a long time! Thanks NYguy!

It just looks SO TALL in this picture!

NYguy
Mar 20, 2012, 1:46 PM
This building will be just as towering as the others, just not as tall.


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/77331737/original.jpg



Taken from www.wtc.com

(Joel Woolhead, March 12, 2012)


http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/142190256/large.jpg



http://www.pbase.com/nyguy/image/142190256/original.jpg

T-Mac
Mar 20, 2012, 5:41 PM
This building has the most amazing glass. I am looking more forward to seeing this building in person than One World Trade Center strictly because of the outstanding glass used on it.