[Coldrsx]

http://members.shaw.ca/vincentwansink/Renderings/The%20Quarters.jpg

[SHOFEAR]

http://www.abfab.co.uk/Thumbnails/S21305.jpg

[Coldrsx]

http://www.abfab.co.uk/Thumbnails/S21305.jpg

oh yes:haha:

[IKAN104]

I like how they made it look traditional yet modern. Very well done.

[Coldrsx]

skyline views will be amazing from the SW units.

[crooked rain]

Looks alright. Where will it be situated?

[Coldrsx]

just north of downtown, 109st/105ave

[Riise]

Sweet, it looks really nice! I'm a big fan a Parisian architecture and one of the reasons why I really like this building is that its height, it's fitting. I think with a taller building it would lose the detail and boldness of its Parisian features and accents. My only complaint would be the base; I think it should go with a base that has the same proportion/width. Right now it looks like an inverted "T" but would look much better as an "l".

[guymez]

I really like the design...is this the first phase of a multi phase project?

It looks as if the area that runs immediately north of 104 ave may turn out to be Edmontons equivalent of the Beltline in Calgary.

Good stuff.

[ExcaliburKid]

I know this location well, and that building will look waaay out of place unless there are a few more decent upcoming proposals in that area. There's still a good handfull of light industrial on 105th ave, and it should be interesting to see exactly what else will be lining that VERY important stretch of roadway. On second thought though, being kitty-corner to donovans might help it fit in a bit. Looks good at first glance, though I like how they didnt include GMACs parkade in the render haha

[Deepstar]

I think this would be a great project, if it didn't have the fake Paris rooftop.

[Hardhatdan]

The "rake paris rooftop" fits the style of the building. Removing it wouldn't make much sense in my mind.

[SunCoaster]

Is it a 2 or 3 tower project? Tough to tell from the rendering provided ... that said ... looks like a great project!!

Located @ 105 ave and 109 str will give a great boost to a rather rundown neighbourhood ...

What's the timeline?

[feepa]

I can't wait to see 105 ave in 3-6 years.

[IKAN104]

The base reminds me of something I've seen before... It's either McElheran's on 124th or the Park Lighting (???) building (used to be Finesse) on 170th Street.

[Habanero]

The "rake paris rooftop" fits the style of the building. Removing it wouldn't make much sense in my mind.

I think it would look better as is, but with a modern look to it. Change the rooftop, and the materials on the podium. For example the stone block look of the podium isn't going to be stone blocks but rather stucco. Outside of the rooftop and podium style, it looks really good. In Calgary, I'd like to see a project like this as part of a TOD, ie..around Chinook centre. or North Hill mall.

This would look great as a modern style. I don't see the Paris theme fitting in.

[murman]

I think that this project will look fabulous IF it's well-built and finished. If it ends up being a really low-budget finish, then all bets are off.

And to those that say the building isn't in keeping with Edmonton's heritage, would you then say that the brown/tan/blech patina that pollutes your city IS reflective of your heritage? I'd take something like this all day long over most everything else that's ever been put up in Edmonton.

(Caveat: I think that there's too much of a commercial podium for a project in this location.)

[Calgarian]

Is it going to be called Paris?

[Coldrsx]

^"The Quarters" is the working name.

@ murman - right now yes...too much comm, but in 3-5 yrs when other infill goes in, it will be primo dreamo.

[Lyle]

Looks great, a little glass for Edmonton.

btw, it's "Je ne sais quoi."

[tuffyy]

Looks really good to me,reminds me of the ''beaches'' district in my home town...

[m0nkyman]

I think that this project will look fabulous IF it's well-built and finished. If it ends up being a really low-budget finish, then all bets are off.

I tend to view renderings as filtered through a developers previous work. If Westbank had presented this, I'd be doing a little happy dance.... But it's not Westbank. It's Tarjan, and looking at their past work, I fear....

[murman]

That's Tarjan? D@mn, once again, hope's lowered...

[OLM]

C'est magnifique!

[Coldrsx]

the more and more i look at it...the more and more i like it.

[Kevin_foster]

That's Tarjan? D@mn, once again, hope's lowered...

Magically, my pen has stopped writing at $5

Maybe I'll hold off on writing those extra 0's :D

[murman]

Magically, my pen has stopped writing at $5

Maybe I'll hold off on writing those extra 0's :D

Tarjan has left several honkin' turders over the past several years in Calgary. I'd be surprised if they've subsequently got religion...

[Coldrsx]

different development group though...here it is arcus.

diff client means diff look

[Greco Roman]

Good thing we aren't talking about Paris Hilton; otherwise Edmonton's reputation would take a giant nosedive. :haha: :haha: :haha:

[Shodan]

http://www.baronboutique.com/movie_replica/merovingian_suit.jpg

"It's like wiping your ass.....with silk."

[Coldrsx]

Good thing we aren't talking about Paris Hilton; otherwise Edmonton's reputation would take a giant nosedive. :haha: :haha: :haha:

however it would be easier to get into one of these...

[Coldrsx]

Good thing we aren't talking about Paris Hilton; otherwise Edmonton's reputation would take a giant nosedive. :haha: :haha: :haha:

however it would be easier to get into one of these...

[Shodan]

Good thing we aren't talking about Paris Hilton; otherwise Edmonton's reputation would take a giant nosedive. :haha: :haha: :haha:

http://www.nothinspiration.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/paris-hilton-sucking.jpg

http://64.111.216.18/ul/1310-ph50.jpg

.......

[m0nkyman]

however it would be easier to get into one of these...

I'm guessing not.... At least not according to my acquaintances who've gone to the same parties as her... ;)

[m0nkyman]

And I have to admit that it'll be an improvement, no matter how bad I think this will turn out:
http://aptenobytes.typepad.com/m0nkymans_photo_blog/images/DSC01063-tm.jpg

[CanadianCentaur]

^ EW. That looks even worse than I remember. The Quarters will definitely be an improvement on that!!

[Coldrsx]

not to mention solidify retail for the emerging 105ave...they will need stores and places to go...perfect if you ask me.

[Hardhatdan]

I think it would look better as is, but with a modern look to it. Change the rooftop, and the materials on the podium. For example the stone block look of the podium isn't going to be stone blocks but rather stucco. Outside of the rooftop and podium style, it looks really good. In Calgary, I'd like to see a project like this as part of a TOD, ie..around Chinook centre. or North Hill mall.

This would look great as a modern style. I don't see the Paris theme fitting in.
I am going to go out on a limb and say that pseudo stone, aka stucco shaped like stone isn't going to make it past an EDC review for the building.
So far from the EDC minutes I have seen they have been very strong on their belief in street interaction.

However, I agree with you that if it was changed to be a modern style OVERALL it would look great too. Problem is, than it becomes a totally different building.

[Hardhatdan]

Tarjan has left several honkin' turders over the past several years in Calgary. I'd be surprised if they've subsequently got religion...
Tarjan isn't a developer though. They are simply the architect. If you want to speak of the turds left all over Calgary I would look closer at Point of View.

This design is miles ahead of anything they did for Point of View, as is they Astoria proposal in Calgary. Both of those are for Arcus, who may demand and provide much better as a client.

[murman]

Tarjan isn't a developer though. They are simply the architect.

So the developer of Tarjan Pointe named the project as such in order to _____________? :shrug:

[Hardhatdan]

So the developer of Tarjan Pointe named the project as such in order to _____________? :shrug:
Who knows, either way it was developed by Point of View.

[CMD UW]

So the developer of Tarjan Pointe named the project as such in order to _____________? :shrug:
The Tarjan Point project and this project have nothing in common. Tarjan must mean something, I just don't know what it means.

[SHOFEAR]

The Tarjan Point project and this project have nothing in common. .

Other than the same architect

[Waterlooson]

Looks great, a little glass for Edmonton.

btw, it's "Je ne sais quoi."

Yes, it looks great. BTW, it's "a little class for Edmonton". :tup:

[Surrealplaces]

I don't know what to think of this one. Normally I would probably like this one, but after spending a week in Las Vegas, I'm sick of themed buildings. I'd much rather see it without the Paris theme, and instead as a moden nicely shaped building.

[ExcaliburKid]

^Something tells me you wont like Astoria then either? :D

[Surrealplaces]

I see your point about Astoria, I don't care for the top pyramid portion of Astoria, but outside of that, the New York theme is more in the marketing than the building itself. 95% of the building is almost identical to Stella/Nova, which are nice modern towers.

This project is akin to the Renaissance towers at Calgary's North hill mall.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9531/renqk6.jpg

What I don't like about this one is that the rooftop looks too much like a replica of a building in Paris. I don't like the podium materials either, the stone block theme indeed looks like a building in Paris, but of course this be stucco. Like I say, having just come back from Vegas, I'm really tired of 'themed' buildings.

I'd rather see it replicate something in Vancouver. Take rooftop and flatten/modernize it, and replace the podium stucco, with an aluminum finish, it would be an excellent building.

After a while it will probably grow on me.

[Jasper and one o nin]

I think its not too bad. Hoefully they don't perigrine it.

[ExcaliburKid]

^I see your point as well. It was a bit of a shock to my system when I first saw the renderings for Quarters about 6 months ago, but it has grown on me now, and I think it will be a project worth watching. As well as the development that will follow for this area. i.e. Will developers try and match this style for that block? or will it be treated as a black sheep?

[Deepstar]

^ Hopefully the developments around it could keep the same theme. that would be pretty cool.

[Lyle]

Yes, it looks great. BTW, it's "a little class for Edmonton". :tup:

I really meant "glass," I'll accept "class," too. :cool:

[CMD UW]

Other than the same architect
Methinks that Tarjan did not design this.

I think Kirkor Architects from Toronto did and Tarjan Group is the local applicant / design firm.

Click on the Kirkor website site: Portfolio > Upcoming Projects > Gallery > Sixth icon from the left (The Quarters)

http://www.kirkorarchitects.com/

[m0nkyman]

See, I like that sketch. It's very different from the Tarjan render.

I guess we'll see what gets brought to the EDC...

[CMD UW]

/\ Not really. The sketch and the rendering as posted share many, many similarities.

[m0nkyman]

Yes, they share many similarities, but the scale of the street level interaction in the sketch is nicer, the setbacks are different, the vibe of things..... I like the vibe of the sketch, and I don't like the render. Those are my gut reactions....
http://aptenobytes.typepad.com/quarters.gif
http://members.shaw.ca/vincentwansink/Renderings/The%20Quarters.jpg

[Minato Ku]

look like a residencial building built in Paris in the 1980's ;)
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9531/renqk6.jpg

The modern style of housing building in Paris :)

Built in the 2000's
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P13MasHam.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P13MasLogDe.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P13MasLogFu.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P13MasLogPe.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P13MasLogChevaleretBreGon.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P12LogArtsBreGon.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P12LogCharRambFu.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P12LogVilliotRapeeBu.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P12BerLogGLameBu.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P15LogHervieuX.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P15LogLefTGaT.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P15LogDuhamelSo.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P20LogChampagneVo.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P13MasLogBeNThe.jpg
http://archiguide.free.fr/PH/FRA/Par/P13MasLogBaBe.jpg

[Coldrsx]

i have a feeling the 1st was the architect's vision and the following was the developer's interaction...ie more units, more land use, slightly less interesting, but still an overall nice looking development IMO.

[someone123]

Horrendous.

[Coldrsx]

Horrendous.

please sir, explain.

[The Chemist]

Horrendous.

I agree. What the heck does Parisian architecture have to do with Edmonton?

[someone123]

The proposal is a poor knockoff of a style built in another region in another time with completely different materials and skills. 19th century Parisians did not live in 2,000 square foot condos and their buildings were not built out of precast and plastic. They were built out of limestone, slate, wrought iron, terra cotta, etc. during a time when relatively skilled labour was cheap and plentiful (i.e. you could get people to do more than fit precast panels together). Cheap materials aside, the buildings are simply poorly proportioned, with strange windows, ugly storefronts, and oversized upper levels, plus they are set out by themselves in a way that you would never normally see for a similar building in Paris.

Why can't developers just build elegant modern buildings that actually look half decent given modern building materials and labour costs?

[Coldrsx]

^this isnt about creating the Champs on 109st...this is about a building that is unqiue from most everything in this city. A building with great use of classic design and MODERN materials. A building that makes you stop and admire it. A building that invites people into the centre of it. A building that uses large % of glass. A building with levels of detail far beyond most contemporary highrises.

Although renderings hold only half truths, im happy we are seeing something novel, something unique, something different that 99% of the towers in Canada.

[someone123]

Unique? These knockoffs are all over the place. You could find about 200 of them in the suburbs North of Toronto. You don't see as many pictures of them on the forum because they are tacky.

[nunuangel99]

Unique? These knockoffs are all over the place. You could find about 200 of them in the suburbs North of Toronto. You don't see as many pictures of them on the forum because they are tacky.

OK Cold said unique in EDMONTON not Toronto!!

We will gladly take one of these "knockoffs"

[etown]

The Venetian was quickly blasted on the SSP forum, I'm curious why there is so much support for the Quarters?

[Coldrsx]

^"oh no you dizznt" - Hardhatdan


venetian is crap (exterior wise)

quarters while "bringing a little paris here"...is far far far far beyond in design.

[CMD UW]

/\ Exactly, you can't compare the two. One uses a good mix of materials the other does not.

[Hardhatdan]

^"oh no you dizznt" - Hardhatdan


venetian is crap (exterior wise)

quarters while "bringing a little paris here"...is far far far far beyond in design.

How dare you misquote me.

Threaten to get silly with your nine milli.

[murman]

I agree. What the heck does Parisian architecture have to do with Edmonton?

You're right. Let's stick to what Alberta does best... brown/tan prairie sh!t.

[Kevin_foster]

I have mixed emotions.

I'd rather see something more modern, but if this one is done right - with the right materials and colors; it'll be a gem.

This would have been prime land for GMC to build their new Arts building - GMC will be 8 city blocks long (westward) when that's done (includes crappy res building(s)).

The "quarters" would have looked great right in front of the Res. Building situate HERE: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=Edmonton,+AB,+Canada&ie=UTF8&ll=53.54651,-113.509948&spn=0.003162,0.010042&t=k&z=17&om=1

[Coldrsx]

^GMC arts will be west of robbins...i prefer that.

[Kevin_foster]

I know where it's location is, I've even seen the prelim. designs :P - that being said, now 8 blocks of the street have no good solid pedestrian traffic outside of students. Sure it's a campus, but I can't help but feel it's now a giant wall :>

[Coldrsx]

^the problem was they should have had outward facing coffee shops/retail. But with proper redevelopment south of 104ave from 109-105st, things will be ok.

[Kevin_foster]

^ Yep - I suspect with 'Q', AltaVista, Venetian, Gates (north side), etc. etc. and a few other condos going there; south 104 will be alright....

But again, it's walling up the area north of it; but whaddya do

[Coldrsx]

there are plenty of "passage ways" through the "towers" on each block...and if anything i think it will make 105 north a more urban suburb feel which will appeal to many.

[The Chemist]

You're right. Let's stick to what Alberta does best... brown/tan prairie sh!t.

Just because I think that Parisian architecture has no place in Edmonton doesn't mean that I think that we should stick with the status quo. Calgary, for example, has several examples of new projects that are certainly not brown/tan prairie shit but are not ripped off from other cities' architecture - Nuera, Stella/Nova, Chocolate, Colours, Arriva, for just a few examples. Edmonton can do unique without resorting to outright copying architecture from a city that has zero connection with Edmonton.

[CMD UW]

Just because I think that Parisian architecture has no place in Edmonton doesn't mean that I think that we should stick with the status quo. Calgary, for example, has several examples of new projects that are certainly not brown/tan prairie shit but are not ripped off from other cities' architecture - Nuera, Stella/Nova, Chocolate, Colours, Arriva, for just a few examples. Edmonton can do unique without resorting to outright copying architecture from a city that has zero connection with Edmonton.
And we have a number of projects that utilize the same type of style ~ Century Park, Illuminada, Jasper Properties.

Calgary has its own 'knock-offs' as well.

All in all this project provides a different style of archiecture to the neighbourhood. I call it diversity.

[Coldrsx]

"but are not ripped off from other cities' architecture "

www.vancouverdidittenyearsago.com

[Kevin_foster]

there are plenty of "passage ways" through the "towers" on each block...and if anything i think it will make 105 north a more urban suburb feel which will appeal to many.

Ok you are starting to sound like Mr. Cantor :whip:

I suppose there is pedestrian "passage ways" - but they don't lead into the North Edge. If anything, North of GMC is in a serious need of upgrading :)

[CMD UW]

Ok you are starting to sound like Mr. Cantor :whip:

I suppose there is pedestrian "passage ways" - but they don't lead into the North Edge. If anything, North of GMC is in a serious need of upgrading :)
Read the North Edge Plan and you'll realize that it is intended to 'link' to the downtown and create these types of pedestrian environments.

[Boris2k7]

"but are not ripped off from other cities' architecture "

www.vancouverdidittenyearsago.com

I don't think that there is anything in Vancouver that looks like Nuera, Centuria, Union Square, etc. Some others do have similarities though (Arriva, Stella/Nova/Luna, etc.).

[Coldrsx]

^the latter are what i am refering to.

[EdmTrekker]

I think this would be a great project, if it didn't have the fake Paris rooftop.

I visit Paris every year - and there ar many new buildings in Paris looking like this. I think the design is top notch - it well sell out like hotcakes - and I will likely look at buying a unit. I love the design. I wish it were on 105th st south of 104 - but the planned location is just fine. That area, with thew new shops will be up and coming no doubt about it. Kudos to the design team and developers.

[EdmTrekker]

The proposal is a poor knockoff of a style built in another region in another time with completely different materials and skills. 19th century Parisians did not live in 2,000 square foot condos and their buildings were not built out of precast and plastic. They were built out of limestone, slate, wrought iron, terra cotta, etc. during a time when relatively skilled labour was cheap and plentiful (i.e. you could get people to do more than fit precast panels together). Cheap materials aside, the buildings are simply poorly proportioned, with strange windows, ugly storefronts, and oversized upper levels, plus they are set out by themselves in a way that you would never normally see for a similar building in Paris.

Why can't developers just build elegant modern buildings that actually look half decent given modern building materials and labour costs?

Having just been in Halifax - run don't walk and look at the hotel developments on the waterfront that just went up in your city of Halifax (east of Alexander Keiths). What has been proposed here in Edmonton for the Quarters looks damn great - compared to what I saw. But then I have pics...if I just knew how to post them on here :)

[EdmTrekker]

I know where it's location is, I've even seen the prelim. designs :P - that being said, now 8 blocks of the street have no good solid pedestrian traffic outside of students. Sure it's a campus, but I can't help but feel it's now a giant wall :>

You have seen the prelim designs? Must have been single sourced without competition to er...Kasian????????????? I never saw an RFP for Design Consultants.

[Kevin_foster]

^ I dont know? GMC advisory annual meeting - there were plans, maybe the colleges own plans yet to be released to anyone?

[feepa]

Having just been in Halifax - run don't walk and look at the hotel developments on the waterfront that just went up in your city of Halifax (east of Alexander Keiths). What has been proposed here in Edmonton for the Quarters looks damn great - compared to what I saw. But then I have pics...if I just knew how to post them on here :)

upload them to www.imageshack.us then it will give you a "direct url"

wrap that direct url around so it comes out like this
direct url

[sdimedru]

i like it... probably too pricy for a first time homebuyer though,,,

[Coldrsx]

^everything is

[someone123]

Having just been in Halifax - run don't walk and look at the hotel developments on the waterfront that just went up in your city of Halifax (east of Alexander Keiths). What has been proposed here in Edmonton for the Quarters looks damn great - compared to what I saw. But then I have pics...if I just knew how to post them on here :)

If you want to post your pictures then I will gladly point out what I like and dislike about the developments but I don't see how this is relevant to my earlier comments in this thread. I never claimed that Halifax somehow set the standard for this kind of development. Even if the buildings in Halifax were provably uglier that would not make this Edmonton proposal attractive.

The other important fact to consider here is that developments almost never look as good when completed as they did in the renderings. Renderings are idealized images designed to sell condos.

[HomeInMyShoes]

^Anyone got a rendering of Peregrine? I'm trying to imagine it looking good and I just can't stop laughing.

[SSLL]

I like the roofs. Other than that, it ain't very Parisian.