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EastSideHBG
05-13-2007, 02:00 PM
Better rapid transit? Bus advocates think so

BRT could reduce costs and environment harm. But the pro-rail lobby in D.C. is strong.

By Jeff Nesmith
Cox News Service

WASHINGTON - Advocates of "bus rapid transit" say the country is wasting billions of dollars to build glitzy urban rail systems when people can travel more cheaply and with less environmental impact by bus.

Bus rapid transit, or BRT, should not be confused with traditional urban bus systems, its most fervent advocates point out.

Instead of those smoky old mechanical dinosaurs that toil from stop to stop, BRT buses whiz along dedicated roadways, pausing briefly at stations where passengers quickly get on and off without having to pause and feed the driver's coin box.

New showcase systems in Los Angeles; Adelaide, Australia; Bogota, Colombia and other cities have been received enthusiastically by commuters.

In fact, Bogota's Transmileno is so popular that the mayor who built it, Enrique Penalosa, is often mentioned as a candidate for president.

But in Washington, BRT proponents say they are being out-lobbied.

In a report to Congress in February, the Federal Transit Administration said it planned to issue grants worth $18.2 billion to help build rail projects during fiscal 2008, and about $1.4 billion for BRT projects.

"The reason the federal government invests in rapid transit in the first place is that it gets people out of their cars," said William Vincent, a former Transportation Department official who is now general counsel of the Breakthrough Technologies Institute, a Washington-based environmental advocacy group.

"You cut down on greenhouse gases. You reduce oil consumption," Vincent said. "You can get the same number of people out of their cars for about one-quarter the cost with a BRT."

According to the institute's calculations, BRT can move commuters with less than a third of the carbon dioxide emissions of light rail, and one-sixth those of private cars.

When it comes to cost, Vincent recently studied federal documents surrounding the funding of 37 rapid transit plans.

Vincent said he found the annual operating cost for a rail system was about $933 per average weekday boarding.

That means if an average of 1,000 people board a system each weekday, the annual operating cost would be $933,000.

The average for BRT was less than half as much, $445.

Capital costs for rapid transit systems vary widely. For example, Boston's new Silver Line, a BRT that runs from South Station to Logan Airport, is costing more than $800 million per mile, Vincent said, and New York's Second Avenue Subway will cost $2 billion per mile.

But on average, he said, capital costs for the rail plans run $240 million per mile, compared with $66 million for BRTs.

According to the federal documents, "BRT seems to be the winning option," he said.

So why the disconnect between cost and federal funding?

"To be quite blunt about it, there's a lot more money to be made building rail systems than there is building BRT systems," he said. "So you have major engineering and construction firms lobbying cities to build rail so they can make more money."

In addition to the local preference for rail systems, the federal transit agency is hamstrung by congressional earmarks in its budget.

In a recent transportation spending authorization, Congress wrote in more than 6,000 earmarks, mandating federal support for everything from safety gates at remote rail crossings to elaborate ferry docks and other transportation infrastructure.

Among rapid transit systems, the congressional earmarks overwhelmingly favored rail, although there were also BRT earmarks, including a $100 million authorization for a system in Birmingham, Ala.

The American Public Transit Association, made up of government transportation agencies and private industry, also favors light- and heavy-rail transportation systems.

Vincent's enthusiasm for the bus systems is not shared by everyone who would use them.

Ross Capon, executive director of the National Association of Rail Passengers, said buses were slower, carried fewer passengers and were sometimes dangerous.

Also, he said, "evidence has proven conclusively" that claims of superior cost-effectiveness of BRTs "have been overstated." Similar preferences were noted in a Government Accountability Office report three years ago to the Senate Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs Committee.

Although GAO official JayEtta Z. Hecker concluded that BRTs offered many advantages in terms of cost and flexibility, she concluded that "bus service has a negative image, particularly when compared with rail service."

She said rail-based plans were often viewed as the mark of "a world-class city" and an image-enhancer that could attract developers.

"As more experience is gained with BRT, its advantages and disadvantages will become better understood," she said.

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/world_us/20070513_Better_rapid_transit__Bus_advocates_think_so.html

J. Will
05-14-2007, 04:33 AM
The problem with any sort of bus system, is it's almost never 100% grade-seperated (though I believe Ottawa's and Curitiba's systems are). These types of systems are good complements to a proper grade-seperated transit system, but are a poor substitute for one. Anyone who thinks such a system is adequate for a major metro area is kidding themselves.

miketoronto
05-20-2007, 02:33 AM
BRT has its place, and often as Ottawa shows, it can beat the hell out of LRT when it comes to offering transit that actually competes with the car for travel time.

Infact it is a known fact that if Ottawa replaced their busway with LRT many riders would see their transit travel times double.

So BRT does have its place.

upinottawa
05-20-2007, 05:10 PM
Ottawa's BRT is not completely grade separated. In certain sections the BRT buses run in mixed traffic, run in dedicated lanes in mixed traffic, and face at grade intersections with traffic lights that provide no preference to the buses. The downtown BRT sections can be a complete disaster during rush hours and during inclement weather.

The reason that travel times were going to increase for some LRT users (the LRT plan has been scrapped) was that the tail end of the LRT was designed as a political compromise and took a convoluted route to downtown. The main reason for the increased travel times would have been the discontinuation of express bus service in certain areas.

If Ottawa wanted to spend the big buck and create express LRT, is there any reason to believe that express LRT would be slower than express BRT (the routes being the same)?

mikeelm
05-21-2007, 12:29 AM
Oh Please rail transit is better. I mean if you live in the city and work downtown and hop on the bus you're stuck in traffic just like the cars. But if you ride the train, you can generally avoid that.

glowrock
05-21-2007, 04:19 AM
As has been discussed ad nauseum in the past, BRT and LRT both have their places as mass transit options. I see LRT as the trunk lines for regional rapid transit systems, and BRT can effectively be used where ridership may not justify LRT expenses...

In Denver's case, I can see BRT systems along Federal Blvd., maybe Colorado Blvd, 120th Ave., etc... etc... LRT is far better for highly-traveled commuter routes, like downtown to the tech center (again, in Denver's case)...

This isn't an all or nothing situation. The world's great mass transit systems use combinations of normal buses, LRT, BRT, and subways, along with substantially improved pedestrian and bicycle access...

Aaron (Glowrock)

Justin10000
05-22-2007, 09:38 AM
Enough of this BRT vs. LRT debate.

Glowrock said it best.

Each mode has it place in the transportation. I cannot believe this article was even posted.

Ottawa's system is not really that quick. The time saved on the express buses, is lost when you factor in the long time it takes to get through the core. Only a fool would still think that Ottawa's bus system is working well. As it stands, OC Transpo is planning to scrap some express routes, because there are simply too many buses in the core, and even the outer stations(Hurdman, and Lebreton), will not be able to handle the extra buses needed.

RAlossi
05-22-2007, 03:13 PM
Los Angeles's Orange Line will be at capacity in a few years' time given current growth rates. Sure, North/South traffic could be blocked every few seconds for a bus to pass on the East/West ROW, but that defeats the purpose.

It needs to be converted to light rail in the (near) future. Metro has taken some measures to ensure continued operation, like ever-larger articulated buses, but Angelenos are starved for an alternative to traffic.

Light rail would be faster because even if it's not completely grade-separated at certain intersections, current Orange Line buses have to slow to 10 MPH through intersections. Light rail would have crossing gates.

The Cheat
05-23-2007, 05:20 AM
This has got to be the dumbest line in the article:

That means if an average of 1,000 people board a system each weekday, the annual operating cost would be $933,000.


Operating costs don't really scale linearly, as the article implies. For low ridership, bus works well, but for high ridership, it suffers and rail would be a better option. You can make a train of 10 vehicles with rail, and operate it with one person, but each bus has to have its own operator. So you can see that per-passenger operating costs aren't linear with rail.

niwell
05-23-2007, 05:51 AM
Infact it is a known fact that if Ottawa replaced their busway with LRT many riders would see their transit travel times double.


Sorry Mike, but this is a half-truth at best. This particular situation would only occur if a very small number of people chose to take the LRT at a very specific time instead of a localized express bus that runs no more than a few times a day. And this has nothing to do with replacing the transitway, but with comparing sekected commute times with the cancelled light rail vs. BRT. Of course since the LRT was not supposed to replace the LRT, but rather suppliment it the argument was moot. Some people would have faster transit on the train, and others on the bus. It depended on the trip.

As someone who (at least in the winter) uses BRT on almost a daily basis, I can safely say that it is the "poor mans" rail transit. It's cheaper and works, but is uncomfortable, loud, crowded (at least in Ottawa) and for the greater part of the day slower.

Justin10000
05-24-2007, 09:28 PM
^^agreed 100%

But I think Ottawa has reached the point where BRT is just not cutting it anymore.

The City is going to regret cancelling the LRT

miketoronto
05-24-2007, 10:36 PM
I am not really against LRT. I know it has its place.

However that being said, I think cities really need to look into if they are driving people away from transit instead of attracting them by changing to LRT vs busway.
People don't care the mode. They want fast transit that gets them to work fast, and competes with a car.

If a study finds that the Ottawa busway competes better then LRT, then I say keep the busway.

I just don't think busways should be discredited as a means of transport.
In Brisbane for example the South East busway is being creided with actually decreasing car use in the south east suburbs, because so many people have been attracted to public transit since the busway opened. And why were they attracted?
Because getting downtown before meant riding buses for one hour or more, or riding feeder buses to a train station, and then taking a train downtown, that also took one hour.
Now with the busway the trip takes 18 min. Yep you read right.

So if LRT is going to be slow like Portland's for example, then why build it. Just keep the buses.

The thing I find interesting is that everyone harps on the buses. Yet Ottawa has more people takeing transit into downtown then places like Calgary, Portland, or the other famous LRT cities. So the busways must be doing something right.

So we really have to look and see if converting to LRT really would benefit riders. You can bet if I lived in Ottawa and my trip was going to be increased because of converting to LRT, I would not stand up for it.

Like one rider from Barhaven said. What is the point of converting to LRT, when my trip by bus takes 25min to get downtown, and by LRT its going to take 45 min?

alexjon
06-04-2007, 02:37 AM
So if LRT is going to be slow like Portland's for example, then why build it. Just keep the buses.

So you've lived here?

I guess you're right, a 45 minute ride IS shorter than a 21 minute ri-- hey, wait a minute.

LMich
06-04-2007, 02:59 AM
As has been said, BRT can have its place in a mixed mass and rapid transit system. BRT makes great short-route connections where rail rapid transit lines don't or can't connect. But, BRT as the only option of rapid transit is usually done more out of cost savings than effectiveness.

mhays
06-04-2007, 03:34 AM
BRT has plenty of advantages ignored on this thread so far.

Buses can use dedicated routes for several miles, then fan off into the neighborhoods. One BRT line can have several non-BRT branches. This means one-mode, one-leg transportation for far more people than possible with a rail line.

BRT can be grade-separated Downtown. Like Seattle's bus tunnel.

Seattle has some aspects of BRT. We have a few separated ROWs, plus many HOV lanes on freeways and other roads. Along with slower bus routes and a tiny bit of rail (more being built), the result is transit ridership that isn't impressive by the standards of Toronto, Boston, etc., but is much better per capita than many cities with substantial rail. In 2000, our city and metro ridership was easily #2 in the Western US.

We just voted a 20% increase in bus service in addition to the light rail and streetcar we're building now.

waterloowarrior
06-04-2007, 04:00 AM
So we really have to look and see if converting to LRT really would benefit riders. You can bet if I lived in Ottawa and my trip was going to be increased because of converting to LRT, I would not stand up for it.

Like one rider from Barhaven said. What is the point of converting to LRT, when my trip by bus takes 25min to get downtown, and by LRT its going to take 45 min?

The BRT wasn't being converted into LRT! That Barrhaven rider was misinformed...

The Barrhaven extension wasn't really meant primarily for connection to downtown, more to connect with destinations along the way, especially Carleton (IIRC, the busiest planned station). Like Niwell said, for some people BRT would still be faster to get to their destination, for others LRT would be faster - the rider can pick whichever mode they prefer.

J. Will
06-04-2007, 06:42 AM
In theory a BRT network can carry more people than a rail line.

In practice it doesn't work that way.

LMich
06-04-2007, 06:50 AM
If even they could carry more people in practice, time is another huge part of the equation.

miketoronto
06-04-2007, 12:55 PM
The BRT wasn't being converted into LRT! That Barrhaven rider was misinformed...

The Barrhaven extension wasn't really meant primarily for connection to downtown, more to connect with destinations along the way, especially Carleton (IIRC, the busiest planned station). Like Niwell said, for some people BRT would still be faster to get to their destination, for others LRT would be faster - the rider can pick whichever mode they prefer.


You can't choose though if Ottawa was going to cancel all the non-stop buses from Barrhaven to downtown Ottawa once the LRT opened. Which is what was planned.

You gotta watch out when planning LRT and stopping services by bus that people actually like.

It is not widly documented because they don't want people to know. But places like Portland have actually seen the percentage of people taking transit drop, when LRT was opened. And why? Because LRT replaced very popular and fast express bus services from the suburbs. And people did not like the idea that their trip was doubled.

You gotta make sure LRT is competative, or it just does not cut it.
I know how it is to live near uncompetative rapid rail transit.
Even in rush hour car drivers can usually beat me home, thats how slow rail transit can be. I would gladly take an express bus if given the chance, over rail :)



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