Cole and Neal gone!, Leafs demoted on CBC [Archive]

98fb

06-22-2007, 05:59 PM

About frikin time

http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20070621.wspttruth21/GSStory/GlobeSportsHockey/home

I like the part where it says CBC doesn't expect the leafs to be any good the next few years. 39 years to late.

IntotheWest

06-22-2007, 06:51 PM

Mixed feelings about this...I'm used to Cole/Neale, but they are getting older, and I do prefer Hughson.

I'm also glad to see the Leafs getting less exposure, but giving more to Montreal and Ottawa? Montreal does make some sense - as part of the "original six", they still have a large following outside of the six Cdn markets, but Ottawa?? Unless they're playing in the final again, I could really careless...however, rarely this actually affects games out west as they start later.

But, this is great news:

"If the most interesting game is Vancouver playing Calgary, that's the one Hughson and Millen should go to," a source said.

About bloody time. And is this going to be in HD - like they've been for Leafs/Sens/Cdns games the last year or two? I hope so.

GDS

06-22-2007, 07:03 PM

Great, at least my tax dollars won't only go towards paying Sundin.

scumtoes

06-22-2007, 07:09 PM

since we're talking of hockey....

anyone else pumped about today's draft? god i hope lowe makes some what of a splash. but i think the oil still have a year of being mediocre - they MIGHT squeak into the playoffs next season.

calling it early: flames will win the cup next season.

IntotheWest

06-22-2007, 07:47 PM

calling it early: flames will win the cup next season.

Hey, I'm all for that...as long as they don't get to the finals and choke.

I was thinking Vancouver or Montreal's turn, since the last three season has had Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa at the finals...and we all know the Leafs will never get there ;)

skrish

06-22-2007, 07:51 PM

calling it early: flames will win the cup next season.

:cheers:

Berklon

06-22-2007, 07:52 PM

...and we all know the Leafs will never get there ;)

Especially after the trade they made today.

theman23

06-22-2007, 07:57 PM

The Leafs finished ahead of Montreal and way ahead of Edmonton, so I'm not sure why they think the Leafs are the weakest Canadian team.

As for draft day deals, the San Jose traded Toskala and Bell to the Leafs for a 1st, 2nd and 4th round pick. Toskala is a big upgrade over Raycroft I think, so hopefully he'll get the starting job.

SHOFEAR

06-22-2007, 07:57 PM

Mixed feelings about this...I'm used to Cole/Neale, but they are getting older, and I do prefer Hughson.

Agree. Hughson is perhaps the best play by play guy out there right now.

I loved the Hrudy/Simpson/Maclean combo during the playoffs. I just can't figure out how Simpson can be so insightfull on TV but success on the PP eludes him.

401_King

06-22-2007, 08:14 PM

hughson is terrible. his accent is so bad (especially when he says "SCOREZ" ) is like listening to someone drag their fingernails across a chalk board!

CBC just plain sucks , the only thing they have going for them is cause its classic on saturday night to watch.

raisethehammer

06-22-2007, 08:19 PM

Great, at least my tax dollars won't only go towards paying Sundin.

your tax dollars don't get used at all for HNIC.
And even if they did, as Canadians we should all be fine with that in order to give our game the quality and coverage it deserves before Disney and ESPN take over with their ignorant announcers and goofy promo's (blue puck, ref announcing penalties like it's the NFL etc...)

kirjtc2

06-22-2007, 08:21 PM

Love to know why they didn't do this years ago. They finally figured out it's Hockey Night in CANADA, not Hockey Night in Toronto and Maybe Two Western Cities.

Mille Sabords

06-22-2007, 08:31 PM

I'm also glad to see the Leafs getting less exposure, but giving more to Montreal and Ottawa? Montreal does make some sense - as part of the "original six", they still have a large following outside of the six Cdn markets, but Ottawa?? Unless they're playing in the final again, I could really careless...however, rarely this actually affects games out west as they start later.

Ottawa is your capital. You will submit to it and watch its hockey team. :D

Mille Sabords

06-22-2007, 08:34 PM

Seriously, though. The table is set for a Hamilton team to join the happy family. That will take care of "exposure" since, presumably, Hamilton will be in the Leaf's division and therefore play them 8 times a year.

MolsonExport

06-22-2007, 08:36 PM

I for one will not miss either of them.

MolsonExport

06-22-2007, 08:38 PM

I for one will not miss either of them.

MolsonExport

06-22-2007, 08:38 PM

I for one will not miss either of them.

Wooster

06-22-2007, 08:51 PM

Bring back Chris Cuthbert to CBC. Great hockey announcer.

GDS

06-22-2007, 09:16 PM

your tax dollars don't get used at all for HNIC.
And even if they did, as Canadians we should all be fine with that in order to give our game the quality and coverage it deserves before Disney and ESPN take over with their ignorant announcers and goofy promo's (blue puck, ref announcing penalties like it's the NFL etc...)

That's because you aren't putting the cost of maintaining and operating a cross country subsidized network into the production cost of HNIC. When I watch a Habs game on RDS, I am paying an extra fee for that transmition to be sent to my home, with CTV, that fee is absorbed by CTV and lowers their profits. With the CBC, that transmission fee is paid for by the taxpayer.

Jay in Cowtown

06-23-2007, 12:55 AM

trueviking

06-23-2007, 04:16 AM

Great, at least my tax dollars won't only go towards paying Sundin.

umm...the leafs dont make extra money when their game is broadcast nationally.....your tax dollars are spread across all 30 teams....the hammer is right though HNIC is a big revenue stream for the CBC...it actually reduces the amount of tax dollars they need.

the move to show leafs games only in southern ontario more and broadcasting nationally different games seems to make sense...the more regional specialization, the more people watching, i would think....

it makes me wonder though if a new team in hamilton would ever see the light of day as they would never bump the leafs in the local market and would have a tough time being the alternate game shown across the country....i doubt hamilton would ever become a local CBC market exclusive of toronto so that their games would be shown at the same time a leaf game is being broadcast in toronto....where a calgary/vancouver game might be broadcast in the west at the same time that a leafs game is shown in toronto.

i wonder how much we will really notice this...it will probably be only a few games a year as there is little national audience for games other than toronto or montreal.

raisethehammer

06-23-2007, 02:40 PM

That's because you aren't putting the cost of maintaining and operating a cross country subsidized network into the production cost of HNIC. When I watch a Habs game on RDS, I am paying an extra fee for that transmition to be sent to my home, with CTV, that fee is absorbed by CTV and lowers their profits. With the CBC, that transmission fee is paid for by the taxpayer.

I'm not sure where you live, but I've never seen a game on CTV in my life in Hamilton.
The only other channels I'm aware of showing sports are the cable sports channels.
And last time I checked, they don't absorb their costs. You have to pay extra to get those channels.
One only need to look at the success of the NFL to see how important it is for these leagues to be on 'free' TV.
I'm a big CFL fan, but now with their move to TSN I won't be able to watch any of their league. Along with millions of other Canaidans. And guesss what that means - millions of kids growing up in Canada having no clue what the CFL is.
The NHL would be very wise to make sure it never leaves CBC. It's a staple of Canadian life (despite the friggin idiot running the league!)

flar

06-23-2007, 03:32 PM

I like Bob Cole and Harry Neale, but it's probably a good time for retirement.

WhipperSnapper

06-23-2007, 04:28 PM

Love to know why they didn't do this years ago. They finally figured out it's Hockey Night in CANADA, not Hockey Night in Toronto and Maybe Two Western Cities.

the competing paytv channel, Leafstv, owned by MLSE wasn't available yet?

Berklon

06-23-2007, 04:49 PM

I love the idea of all parts of Canada being able to watch a hockey game that's NOT a Leaf game.

The support the Leafs got was exponentially more than they deserved. It's high time the support should be shifted to actual good teams who have the desire to win a Stanley Cup (instead of being content to make the playoffs like the Leafs).

The great thing about this is that younger generations will be exposed to other hockey teams, so there'll be less Leaf fans in the future. This hurts MLSE and I love it.

Now if Hamilton can get their hockey team, this'll get many Leaf fans to jump ship.

Jay in Cowtown

06-23-2007, 04:55 PM

I'm a big CFL fan, but now with their move to TSN I won't be able to watch any of their league.

Who doesn't have TSN? Where are these millions of kids that won't be able to watch the CFL? ... surely to Christ there isn't that many people left in this country with only over the air antennas or rabbit ears... who can't afford basic cable?

SHOFEAR

06-23-2007, 05:17 PM

Who doesn't have TSN? Where are these millions of kids that won't be able to watch the CFL? ... surely to Christ there isn't that many people left in this country with only over the air antennas or rabbit ears... who can't afford basic cable?

If you can't afford TSN on basic cable, you likely can't afford the occasional CFL game and your useless to the advertisers who pay the big bucks to make all these games on TV possible. What good are you as a fan?

I could support a TV station that uses money generated by CFL and NHL programming to fund a bunch of useless crap that I don't care about. Or I could support a TV station that reinvests that money back into sports programing. Care to guess what is best for your average CFL or NHL fan?

raisethehammer

06-23-2007, 05:57 PM

I attend many Ticat games and MLB games....I simply CHOOSE not to subscribe to cable, as do many other people I know.
I'm sure there is also a segment of population that can't afford it, but some of us don't see the need to pay a ton of money each month for 100 channels of crap.
I attend games live more than I watch on TV (other than NFL) so how does that make me a 'useless fan'??
And lets not confuse a 'sports fan' with a 'consumer'.
I like sports and I follow sports.
I don't waste my money buying crap because joe-blow advertiser tells me to.

kirjtc2

06-23-2007, 06:11 PM

the competing paytv channel, Leafstv, owned by MLSE wasn't available yet?

Leafs TV doesn't figure into the equation. CBC has exclusive rights to broadcast NHL games in Canada on Saturday nights. Leafs TV, TSN or Sportsnet couldn't broadcast any other games if they wanted to.

The Toronto area is still going to get every Saturday Leafs game on HNIC. It's the rest of the country that this decision affects. If Toronto plays Atlanta and, say, Ottawa plays Pittsburgh, the rest of the country will now likely get the Sens game instead of defaulting to the Leafs like usual.

And even still, all CBC games are now streamed online or available through the timeshifting package on digital cable or satellite. It's all about expanding options.

Jay in Cowtown

06-23-2007, 06:11 PM

Gdoggy

06-24-2007, 02:38 AM

Leafs are moving more towards all their games on their own station. I believe this season 20 of the games will only be on Leafs-TV. In a few years they will all be on there...

As for where your tax dollars CBC spends on hockey... well it goes to the NHL which pretty much ends up sending it to teams that can't make a dime, like the Nashville Predators...

WhipperSnapper

06-24-2007, 03:47 AM

Leafs TV doesn't figure into the equation. CBC has exclusive rights to broadcast NHL games in Canada on Saturday nights. Leafs TV, TSN or Sportsnet couldn't broadcast any other games if they wanted to.

CBC can't broadcast Leaf games without their consent and considering the Leafs own LeafsTV, how exactly does that not figure into the equation?

vid

06-24-2007, 07:40 AM

Some people don't have cable because in many cities, like mine, you will pay more than 34$ for only 31 channels. It is a rip off, and Shaw is an abortion of a corporation.

kirjtc2

06-24-2007, 04:29 PM

CBC can't broadcast Leaf games without their consent and considering the Leafs own LeafsTV, how exactly does that not figure into the equation?

CBC (and TSN, generally) gets its rights directly from the NHL. The Leafs have no say.

The way it works is that once CBC and TSN pick their games (and remember, the NHL has given CBC exclusive rights on Saturday night), then each team controls their own rights for the remainder of their games. Those are the only games MLSE directly controls the broadcast rights to (and, as an aside, they sell some of them to TSN - the "LEAFS REGION ONLY" games).

LeafsTV will *never* air games on Saturdays as long as Hockey Night in Canada is around, simply because CBC has first dibs. They don't need the Leafs' consent. Add in a few games here and there that TSN would also want, and you're then left with only 50-60 games max that could be on LeafsTV.

The Red Sox and Yankees both own their own networks that already air virtually their entire schedule, but they don't air games covered by FOX or ESPN either. LeafsTV would have the same kind of holes in their schedule.

theman23

06-24-2007, 05:04 PM

Some people don't have cable because in many cities, like mine, you will pay more than 34$ for only 31 channels. It is a rip off, and Shaw is an abortion of a corporation.

I get the same deal from Rogers in Toronto.

flar

06-24-2007, 05:21 PM

The Hamilton area has the worst cable company imaginable: Cogeco.

You should be able to pick the channels you want, but you're restricted by the packages they offer.

ErickMontreal

06-24-2007, 06:00 PM

The Hamilton area has the worst cable company imaginable: Cogeco.

You should be able to pick the channels you want, but you're restricted by the packages they offer.

Rogers offers the same shit in my area even worst

I already had Cogeco, sorry but its quite better than Rogers

SteelTown

06-24-2007, 06:11 PM

Cable companies have a complete monopoly. I'm forced to take Mountain Cablevision, it's the only cable in my area. Yet if I move in another area of Hamilton I have to go with another cable company like Cogeco. Should be an open market and you pick which cable provider you want.

vid

06-24-2007, 10:27 PM

Yes, the monopoly should be lifted and we should be able to choose the channels we want. I shouldn't have to pay for Treehouse to get CNN, and I shouldn't have to pay for RDI to get The Weather Network. And if the Weather Network gets taken off the analogue system and made digital-only, I will kill everyone on the CRTC.

I'm getting carried away, sorry...

raisethehammer

06-25-2007, 02:21 AM

i like my solution the best - no cable!

vid

06-25-2007, 05:21 PM

i like my solution the best - no cable!

But you can't watch TSN now, and Jay in Cowtown will think less of you!!!

HockeyFan

06-25-2007, 11:37 PM

It seems Rogers covers most of the Toronto area -- how far in each direction does it extend? Looking at their website, Oakville and Aurora, for example, don't seem to be in their territory.

To those of you without Rogers... is the OHL Action Pack available to you? I thought I recall it being exclusive to Rogers...?

Jay in Cowtown

06-26-2007, 04:03 AM

To those of you without Rogers... is the OHL Action Pack available to you? I thought I recall it being exclusive to Rogers...?

Don't [QUOTE] me on it... but I'm sure Rogers is one of the few cable systems that has almost all of the sports PPV packages, like MLB Extra Innings, Center Ice, ESPN Gameplan & so on. I know useless Shaw only carries Sunday Ticket!

kirjtc2

06-26-2007, 11:55 AM

I think (and this is just what I know from a couple other boards I read) that Cogeco has almost everything Rogers has, including the OHL. Their systems in Ontario are interconnected.

Rogers is in NB, and we have the OHL pack here, despite nobody giving a damn. We can probably watch more Petes games than the Saint John Sea Dogs or Moncton Wildcats.

HockeyFan

06-26-2007, 10:58 PM

Thanks for the info.

Interesting, I would have thought there was a QMJHL pack in New Brunswick and much of Atlantic Canada. The Q has really taken off in that area the past decade.

Personally, I'd love to have all 3 major junior leagues on a sports pack -- I'm an addict of junior hockey!