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Nunavuter
06-23-2007, 12:15 AM
Here's a preview of the proposed new subway car design that should debut in Toronto in 2009. It has numerous design features that I give a thumbs up to, and just one I kinda wish they'd reconsider.

http://www.rushmessageboard.com/cpmb/uploads/post-333-1166563109.jpg

Artist's Conception

The new class of car doesn't yet have a designation, but if it follows the usual pattern it will be a letter followed by a number. The old Gloucester cars were called G-1s and G-2s, Montreal-built cars were M-class, Hawker-Siddely built the H-1 to H-6 and the current design is called T-class (for Toronto, presumably), although they were built in Thunder Bay.

Snazzy looking, eh? I'd call it S-class for "Serpentine" or V-class for 'Viper.' But that's me.

http://www.rushmessageboard.com/cpmb/uploads/post-333-1166566295.jpg

Interior mock-up

The snake references come to mind because these subway cars are articulated, with an accordion-like connecting gangway between the cars. If your car is too full, just move down the train and maybe you'll find a seat. Half the time, the cars near the front of train will be packed to the windows while the last two cars are almost empty. This design solves that problem.

There are wheelchair attachment areas throughout the train, and the open-concept makes accessibility more feasible for people with special mobility needs.

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In the above mock-up, the open ends are simulated with mirrors. Notice the pixel board on the ceiling? It tells you what the next station is while a computer voice reads out the name loud and clear. The arrow points to which side of the car the door will open.

http://www.rushmessageboard.com/cpmb/uploads/post-333-1166563276.jpg

Above the doors, the red 'X' will light up if the door is not going to open, and a green arrow will light up if it is. Thus, there are both audio and visual cues, which will be helpful for out-of-towners and people with vision and hearing problems.

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The map above the door is also given a high-tech upgrade. The location of your train is shown by an LED display, with a twinkling light display indicating the direction the train is moving.

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The front and rear cabs of the trains fold out to create emergency exit ramps in case the train needs to be evacuated. this is an improvement over just hopping down four feet to the ground inside a tunnel.

http://www.rushmessageboard.com/cpmb/uploads/post-333-1166563382.jpg

Currently, four different seating configurations are under consideration for the design. I favour Scheme One, which is the most similar to the present T-1 trains. Those two red lines going down the centre are textured, providing a guide for the blind. Scheme One also has no centre stanchions, which allows easier movement in the car by strollers, wheelchairs etc. (Shorter people might not like this much).

Scheme Two looks horrible, cheap and uncomfortable. Scheme Three is sort of "retro," but I'd prefer it in red and grey rather than lemon yellow.

Scheme Four...ugh. It looks like the subway train that carries prisoners to toil in the underground sugar caves run by our new insect overlords.

The downside of this new train design?

Currently, the subway cars used in Toronto are interchangeable in married pairs (The air car has an air compressor and the other car carries the power system) . If one car has a problem, it and its mate can be pulled out of a train and another two swapped in. A car can form the front, middle or rear of a train set.

This new design has a dedicated front and rear, making swapping cars less flexible.

Justin10000
06-23-2007, 01:35 AM
You are many, many months out of date.

Nothing new.

SSLL
06-23-2007, 02:23 AM
I like scheme four

MonkeyRonin
06-23-2007, 02:46 AM
As far as I know, scheme 1 is the final one. Don't think there was ever really debate on this issue though, as the first was the only actual rendering (and obviously based upon a TTC vehicle), the rest are photographs from existing metros.

This promo video for the TTC talks a bit about the new trains.

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Daquan13
06-23-2007, 03:32 AM
Ummm, any chance of those trains coming here to Boston?

Wishful thinking, I guess. Oh well, can't miss what we never had!

northbay
06-23-2007, 04:32 AM
You are many, many months out of date.

Nothing new.

awww, cmon man, hes just sharing! ;)

I never knew about this until this thread. i like scheme 4 also.

Justin10000
06-23-2007, 02:55 PM
Fine, Fine. :P

But yeah. The new trains are going to look slick!

I hope they keep the silver, and red theme.

M II A II R II K
06-23-2007, 04:28 PM
Too bad about not being able to see out the front window anymore.

bbeliko
06-23-2007, 05:53 PM
way better than the ones canda line is going to see

M II A II R II K
06-23-2007, 10:33 PM
And plus being able to walk between the cars is cool. Will make it more convenient for those begging for change too.

Nunavuter
06-24-2007, 01:54 AM
Hey I understand I might be a bit out of synch with the latest news right now. This will improve the longer I hang out here at the SSP.

palemonk
06-24-2007, 09:12 AM
Scheme 4 kinda looks like the NYC Subway interior

Busy Bee
06-24-2007, 10:55 PM
^That's 'cause it is.

Daquan13
06-25-2007, 12:34 AM
Oh, I get it now!

Is this train an articulating one from front to back? Judging from Scemes 1 & 3, it appears to be.:shrug:

Wright Concept
06-25-2007, 01:07 AM
So are these trains going to be two married pair cars that are articulated or the full 6 car train that is articulated? If it's the full 6 car train, I wonder how the maintenance shops/facilities can accomodate the longer trains.

champdemars
06-25-2007, 01:46 AM
Scheme Two looks horrible, cheap and uncomfortable.

Sheme two is actually the MR-73 trains in Montreal, with a look of... well... 1973... currently these trains are gradually being revamped with new colors, new chairs... and a new scheme! Strange to see that a deprecated scheme in Montreal is considered in Toronto...

MonkeyRonin
06-25-2007, 06:15 PM
Sheme two is actually the MR-73 trains in Montreal, with a look of... well... 1973... currently these trains are gradually being revamped with new colors, new chairs... and a new scheme! Strange to see that a deprecated scheme in Montreal is considered in Toronto...

Like I said earlier, I don't think those other "Schemes" were ever intended to be used in Toronto's trains. Notice that the trains themselves are all different sizes and shapes...ones that don't fit the specifications of our trains.

M II A II R II K
04-12-2008, 06:42 PM
I believe it shouldn't be too long now, they start to come out next year or so, and I imagine the yellow and orange trains will start disappearing shortly afterward.

CANAUS
04-12-2008, 07:45 PM
The different 'schemes' were only ever considered as possible seating arrangements to determine where the seats should be situated.



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