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Stingray2004
06-29-2007, 05:45 PM
The feds, the province, the Vancouver Port Authority, the rail companies, as well as the affected municipalities have agreed to pony up around $307 million for the Roberts Bank rail corridor grade separations, which certainly will make life more bearable particularly in Langley with 110-unit coal/container trains rumbling through.

Here's the press release and accompanying grade separation locations:

(BTW, am I missing something here??? Why aren't high volume Hwy 10 (at Glover Road), Fraser Hwy, and 200th St. not included???

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Government of Canada announces improvements to the Roberts Bank Rail Corridor

LANGLEY TOWNSHIP, BC, June 28 /CNW Telbec/ - Canada's New Government has concluded a multi-stakeholder agreement for road/rail grade separation projects along the Roberts Bank Rail Corridor under the Asia-Pacific Gateway and Corridor Initiative. This work, for which the federal government is investing up to $75 million, will contribute to more efficient road and rail operations and enhance the quality of life for residents along the rail corridor.

The announcement was made today by the Honourable David Emerson, Minister of International Trade and Minister for the Pacific Gateway and the
Vancouver-Whistler Olympics; Mr. Brian Jean, Parliamentary Secretary, on
behalf of the Honourable Lawrence Cannon, Minister of Transport,
Infrastructure and Communities; the Honourable Kevin Falcon, Minister of
Transportation of British Columbia; Mr. Gordon Houston, president and chief
executive officer of the Vancouver Port Authority; Mr. Malcolm Brodie, chair
of TransLink; and Mr. Kurt Alberts, Mayor of the Township of Langley, on
behalf of all municipal partners, at a media conference at the Langley
Township Council Chambers.

Mr. Jim Buggs, general manager, Port and Gateway Strategy Projects and
Regulatory Issues for the Canadian Pacific Railway; Mr. Kirk Carroll, general
manager, B.C. South Division for the Canadian National Railway;
Mr. Kevin Mahoney, president and chief executive officer of the British
Columbia Railway Company; and Mr. Doug Jones, general manager, Northwest
Division for the BNSF Railway, were also present at the announcement.

Stretching 70 kilometres through Delta, Surrey, Langley City, Langley
Township and Abbotsford, the Roberts Bank Rail Corridor links the Deltaport
Container Terminal and the Westshore Coal Terminal through the B.C. Lower
Mainland to the rest of Canada and the economic heartland of North America.

Public and private partners will jointly invest a total of approximately
$300 million for projects along the entire corridor, including nine grade
separations. The first two grade separation projects to proceed will be at
Mufford Crescent/64th Avenue in Langley Township and at 152nd Street in the City of Surrey. In addition, the railways will invest approximately
$60 million in the corridor to provide additional capacity for anticipated
growth.

"The Roberts Bank Rail Corridor project clearly illustrates the power of
the Gateway concept and its focus on systems and partnerships," said
Minister Emerson. "The Government of Canada is working together with its
partners to enhance quality of life and the environment in the Lower Mainland,
while also making Canada more competitive in the global economy. We are
creating something that will truly benefit Canadians for generations to come."

"The Asia-Pacific Gateway and Corridor has become one of the most
important initiatives of Canada's New Government," said Mr. Jean. "The
Initiative just keeps on gathering momentum as more and more Canadians see the benefits of working together to make Canada's West Coast the gateway between Asia and all of North America."

"There are tremendous economic opportunities arising from our growing
Asia-Pacific trade," said Minister Falcon. "As Canada's Pacific Gateway,
British Columbia is strongly committed to improving our transportation
infrastructure to keep pace with this growth."

"This is an excellent example of how partnership and cooperation between
business and all levels of government can achieve an outcome that will benefit
local communities and all Canadians," said Mr. Houston. "Vancouver Port
Authority's direct investment of up to $50 million in the Roberts Bank Rail
Corridor is a testament of our commitment to enabling sustainable growth
through this Gateway. We are committed to economic, social and environmental sustainability, and the cooperative nature of this initiative demonstrates how all three facets of sustainability can be achieved where there is a will to work together."

"These projects are a perfect fit for TransLink," said Mr. Brodie. "They
support our objectives to improve the flow of people and goods in Greater
Vancouver and will improve our transportation network's ability to bolster
Asia/Pacific trade for the good of our regional, provincial and national
economies."

"We currently have an intolerable situation with level rail crossings in
the Langley Regional Town Centre," said Mayor Alberts. "By working together,
the various partners have secured funds for works that will bring relief and
address safety and congestion issues. I am pleased that the Mufford
Crescent/64th Avenue project has been included as a high priority."

"It is encouraging to see all levels of government, TransLink and the
private sector working in co-operation to improve the movement of people and
goods," said Peter Fassbender, Mayor of the City of Langley. "This corridor
initiative will build on the 204th street overpass, which was the first
road/rail grade separation in Langley, and will dramatically reduce traffic
congestion and improve the north/south connectivity within our region."

"The Roberts Bank Rail Corridor initiative is part of a strategic plan to
enhance Asia-Pacific trade," said Dianne Watts, Mayor of the City of Surrey.
"The road/rail grade separation project will increase road safety and reduce
rail impacts on adjacent neighbourhoods while enhancing current north-south
road connections and providing a high level of access to South Surrey/White
Rock and the Campbell Heights industrial area."

"Delta's years of effort on behalf of the community to address impacts of
rail conflict at road crossings have been recognized," said Lois Jackson,
Mayor of the Corporation of Delta. "The federal government, through
Minister David Emerson, has advanced a plan to make a number of rail crossing
improvements and modifications along the Roberts Bank Rail Corridor between
Deltaport and Langley Township."

"This project is an excellent example of the federal and provincial
governments, the regional transportation authority, the port, municipalities
and railways working together to capitalize on business opportunities, create
jobs and prosperity for Canadians while addressing concerns of the communities we run through," said Mr. Buggs.

"CN is pleased to be part of a joint project that will accommodate future
economic growth in the region while maintaining safe, liveable communities,"
said Mr. Carroll.

"BNSF Railway, North America's largest provider of rail intermodal
services, is pleased to support the responsible and environmentally sensitive
growth of the Pacific Gateway by supporting the funding of these
infrastructure improvements," said Mr. Jones. "These improvements will help
minimize overall emissions and protect communities while increasing the
capacity, capability, and competitive ability of the Pacific Gateway."

Canada's New Government has committed over $1 billion to the Asia-Pacific
Gateway and Corridor Initiative, with $800 million going to projects in
British Columbia. Other projects in Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba are
also receiving funding.

The Prime Minister launched the Asia-Pacific Gateway and Corridor
Initiative in October 2006. Progress has already been made in construction,
planning, project selection, port amalgamation, policy development, technology application, international cooperation and marketing.

For more information about Canada's Asia-Pacific Gateway and Corridor
Initiative, please visit www.apgci.gc.ca.

A backgrounder with details of the Roberts Bank Rail Corridor projects is
attached.

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Backgrounder
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ROBERTS BANK RAIL CORRIDOR
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The Asia-Pacific Gateway and Corridor is a network of transportation
infrastructure including British Columbia's Lower Mainland and Prince Rupert
ports, their principal road and rail connections stretching across Western
Canada and south to the United States, key border crossings, and major
Canadian airports. The network serves all of North America, and is focused on
strengthening trade ties with the Asia-Pacific region.
On October 11, 2006, the Prime Minister launched the Asia-Pacific Gateway
and Corridor Initiative (APGCI). The APGCI brings infrastructure, policy,
governance and operational issues together into one integrated, multi-modal,
public-private strategy.
In this context, the Government of Canada has been working with various
public and private partners on the Roberts Bank Rail Corridor: Road/Rail
Interface Study, which was completed in February 2007. The findings of this
study were used as the basis for the development of an implementation plan
that includes a comprehensive package of nine road/rail grade separations
along the RBRC. The cost to separate these nine at grade crossings, coupled
with strategic road closures and detours, would total over $300 million.
These projects will enhance rail operations and accommodate anticipated
growth in rail and road traffic. Building grade separations provides local
quality of life and environmental benefits, including:

- reduced traffic congestion during rail operations;
- reduced congestion on key road corridors;
- reduced idling at level crossings and congestion on some parallel
facilities;
- reduced emissions and contributions to greenhouse gas;
- reduced direct exposure of road users and trains, with corresponding
safety benefits;
- increased agricultural productivity through improved vehicle movements;
- enhanced bicycle network connections;
- enhanced access to emergency service providers (police, fire,
ambulance); and
- reduced sound pollution as train whistling would no longer be required
for extended stretches on the corridor.

Canada is one of the most trade-dependent economies in the G-8 nations.
The benefits of the federal government's contributions to the APGCI projects
will be extended nationally as they directly support efforts to foster
increased international trade between all of Canada and Asia-Pacific
countries, including China and Japan, and serve to make the import and export
supply chains more reliable and efficient.
The federal government contributions to APGCI projects will improve
transportation infrastructure in many ways. While promoting increased trade
with the Asia-Pacific region, grade separation projects will enhance the
efficiency, safety, security and environmental sustainability of the
transportation system. These projects will also enhance the quality of life of
neighbouring residents.

Funding contributions and associated conditions
-----------------------------------------------

The implementation plan is supported by technical and financial
contributions from the following parties:

- Government of Canada - up to $75 million;
- British Columbia Ministry of Transportation - up to $50 million;
- Vancouver Port Authority - up to $50 million;
- TransLink - up to $50 million;
- municipalities including the Corporation of Delta, City of Surrey, City
of Langley and Township of Langley - collectively up to $50 million;
and
- railways including the British Columbia Railway Company, the Canadian
National Railway, the Canadian Pacific Railway and the BNSF Railway -
collectively up to $32 million.

The objective of this plan is to proceed with a total investment package
of approximately $300 million along the entire corridor, which would include
the following nine grade separations:

- 41B Street, Corporation of Delta;
- 80 Street, Corporation of Delta;
- 152nd Street, City of Surrey;
- 168th Street, City of Surrey;
- 192nd Street, City of Surrey;
- 54th Avenue, City of Surrey/City of Langley;
- 196th Street, City of Surrey/City of Langley/Township of Langley;
- Mufford Crescent/64th Avenue, Township of Langley; and
- 232nd Street, Township of Langley.

Along with the grade separations, there will also be an opportunity to
introduce advanced warning systems that will anticipate the arrival of trains
and re-route road users to nearby grade separations or nearby roads.
In addition to the nine grade separations, the railways will invest
approximately $60 million in the corridor to increase the capacity of the rail
infrastructure to handle anticipated growth.
These contributions are subject to a number of conditions and
requirements, including but not limited to the following:

- final approval by the federal and provincial governments boards of
directors and/or municipal councils;
- acceptance of engineering standards and designs and confirmation of
requisite railway approvals;
- environmental assessment approvals;
- Agricultural Land Commission approvals; and
- funding and budgetary appropriations.
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Description of individual grade separation projects
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Location 1: Vicinity of 41B Street
Municipality: Corporation of Delta
Approximate Project Cost: $24 million

Description: 41B Street is effectively within the Gulf Rail Yard near the
head of the Roberts Bank Causeway. At present, it serves approximately 1,000
vehicles per day, as well as agricultural movements. In the future, 41B may
provide access to the Tsawwassen First Nation lands. A grade separation in the
vicinity of 41B Street would enable the railways to expand the Gulf Rail Yard
and eliminate train whistling in this area. Pending successful negotiations
among project partners, the preliminary timeline for this project is within
five years, to coincide with the rail expansion projects.

Location 2: 80 Street
Municipality: Corporation of Delta
Approximate Project Cost: $19 million

Description: 80 Street is the primary access to the Boundary Bay Airport
and its improvement and expansion plans forecast that 2,700 vehicles daily
would use the proposed two-lane overpass. Assuming that anti-whistling
initiatives will be undertaken at 72 Street and closer to the Roberts Bank
Causeway, the 80 Street overpass would eliminate the requirement for whistling
for a distance of nearly 13 kilometres between Roberts Bank and 88 Street.
Pending successful negotiations among project partners, the preliminary
timeline for this project is within five years.

Location 3: 152nd Street
Municipality: City of Surrey
Approximate Project Cost: $41 million

Description: 152nd Street is a major north-south artery linking the
rapidly growing South Surrey / White Rock area with the rest of Surrey.
Combined with other initiatives in the area including a grade separation at
168th Street, this project could eliminate train whistling for up to 10-14
kilometres through Surrey. Pending successful negotiations among project
partners, the preliminary timeline for this project is within five years.

Location 4: 168th Street
Municipality: City of Surrey
Approximate Project Cost: $25 million

Description: 168th Street is expected to become an increasingly important
north-south road when the City of Surrey widens 168th Street north of Highway
10 from two to four lanes by 2011. A grade separation at this location would
provide traffic relief to approximately 5,000 vehicles per day, and enable the
railways to extend the Pratt rail siding westward. Along with other
initiatives and grade separation at 192nd Street, this project could eliminate
train whistling for up to 10-14 kilometres between 184th Street and Highway
91. Pending successful negotiations among project partners, the preliminary
timeline for this project is within five years, to coincide with the rail
siding extension project.

Location 5: 192nd Street
Municipality: City of Surrey
Approximate Project Cost: $34 million

Description: The grade separation at this location complements the grade
separations at 54th Avenue and 196th Street. This combination of projects is
expected to provide substantial traffic relief not only to 192nd Street but
also to nearby roads such as Fraser Highway and 200th Street. Pending
successful negotiations among project partners and the results of a sub-area
traffic study, the preliminary timeline for this project is five to eight
years.

Location 6: 54th Avenue
Municipality: City of Surrey and City of Langley
Approximate Project Cost: $25 million

Description: A grade separation at 54th Avenue would provide an east-west
connection between the 192nd Street and 196th Street grade separations.
Together with other crossings, a 54th Avenue grade separation is expected to
provide substantial traffic relief in the east Surrey / west Langley area.
Alternative connections between 192nd and 196th streets will be the subject of
a local sub-area traffic study. Pending successful negotiations among project
partners and the results of the study, the preliminary timeline for this
project is five to eight years.

Location 7: 196th Street
Municipality: City of Surrey, City of Langley and Township of Langley
Approximate Project Cost: $60 million

Description: For the most part, a road does not exist on the 196th Street
alignment. A grade separation on the 196th alignment would add substantial new
road capacity in this congested area, as well as provide traffic relief during
rail operations. Pending successful negotiations among project partners and
the results of a sub-area traffic study, the preliminary timeline for this
project is five to eight years.

Location 8: Mufford Crescent / 64th Avenue
Municipality: Township of Langley
Approximate Project Cost: $51 million

Description: The Mufford Crescent / 64th Avenue project includes the
closure of the existing Mufford Crescent and re-alignment along the 62nd /
64th Avenue corridors. A grade separation would cross the RBRC and Glover
Road, and extend to 216th Street. This road re-alignment and grade separation
is expected to provide substantial traffic relief on Mufford Crescent and the
Langley Bypass. This project is in a relatively advanced stage and it is
anticipated that it will be complete within five years.

Location 9: 232nd Street
Municipality: Township of Langley
Approximate Project Cost: $25 million

Description: 232nd Street connects communities north of Highway 1
including the eastern section of Walnut Grove and Fort Langley. Road traffic
is expected to remain constant at around 5,500 vehicles per day. The grade
separation would primarily accommodate the Rawlison rail siding extension,
which would be undertaken by the railways. The grade separation would
eliminate the requirement for train whistling through the rural area between
Glover Road and River Road, a distance of nearly five kilometres. The
preliminary timeline for this project is five to eight years, to coincide with
the rail siding extension project.



For further information: Jennifer Chiu, Press Secretary, Office of the
Minister of International Trade and Minister for the Pacific Gateway and the
Vancouver-Whistler Olympics, Ottawa, (613) 371-1557; Jeff Knight, Public
Affairs Bureau, Ministry of Transportation of British Columbia, Victoria,
(250) 356-7707; Anne McMullin, Vancouver Port Authority, (604) 665-9069; Ken
Hardie, Director Communications, Public and Corporate Affairs, TransLink,
(604) 453-4606; Erin McKay, Corporate Relations, Office of the Mayor of the
Township of Langley, (604) 533-6122; Mark Seland, Senior Manager,
Communications and Municipal Affairs, CP Rail, (403) 319-3566; Kelli Svendsen,
CN Public Affairs, (604) 589-6512, (604) 240-7037; Gus Melonas, Corporate BNSF
Railway Relations, (206) 625-6220; This news release may be made available in
alternative formats for persons with visual disabilities.





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David
06-29-2007, 08:23 PM
(BTW, am I missing something here??? Why aren't high volume Hwy 10 (at Glover Road), Fraser Hwy, and 200th St. not included???



I believe it is because there is already a separate project underway in Langley making overpasses at those sites. I could be wrong.

officedweller
06-29-2007, 08:30 PM
http://www.tc.gc.ca/majorissues/APGCI/rbrc.htm

http://www.tc.gc.ca/majorissues/APGCI/document/final_map.pdf

Question: Does the Roberts Bank rail line use the Southern Railway of BC segment through Surrey/Langley? i.e. Would this prevent use of the ROW for commuter rail or require a new parallel track due to capacity issues?

http://www.tc.gc.ca/majorissues/APGCI/images/rbrc-map.jpg

deasine
06-29-2007, 09:14 PM
I would say that it would be getting in the way. The proposed commuter rail crosses with this one at 176 st. (according to Google Maps) and separates after 232 St.

officedweller
06-29-2007, 10:05 PM
Thanks

Stingray2004
06-30-2007, 03:02 AM
I believe it is because there is already a separate project underway in Langley making overpasses at those sites. I could be wrong.

You may be referring to the 204th St. overpass (of both Hwy 10 and the railline), which was recently completed at cost of around $37 million.

Stingray2004
06-30-2007, 03:08 AM
Question: Does the Roberts Bank rail line use the Southern Railway of BC segment through Surrey/Langley? i.e. Would this prevent use of the ROW for commuter rail or require a new parallel track due to capacity issues?



Actually, those are *two* separate rail corridors, which come in close proximity of each other at the junction of Hwy 10 and Hwy 15.

The SRBC line has minimal utilization based upon my extensive travelling along Hwy 10 between the Serpentine River and Hwy 15 as the track runs parallel to Hwy 10 in that location.

In fact, over a 15-year period, I only recall seeing a train using that corridor *once*.

deasine
06-30-2007, 04:40 AM
oh really?! hmm... 'cuz on Google maps it's one... hmmm is this another google map flaw?

Oborro
06-30-2007, 05:42 AM
The two lines do connect (about midway between 180th and 184th)

There is a split again in the industrial areas of langley which appears to be for trains to pull off to pass each other (which is all I've seen them used for).

As for the SRBC, it used to have much more utility (once or twice a day) but that slowed down about 5 years ago to about three or four trains a week... I can't say what the frequency is now, as I no long live beside the tracks

deasine
06-30-2007, 05:50 AM
That's what I thought it

yesheh
07-01-2007, 06:03 AM
I live by the tracks and the SRY has about 2-3 trains a day now, usually two in the evening and one at 2 or 3 in the morning..., although I think the schedule varies on the day. The Glochester developments demand some rail access which is probably the reason for increased utilization of the tracks...

VALTAC
07-04-2007, 07:02 AM
Please find below a letter to the editor of Langley Times, from Bill Marr, VALTAC's oldest director..at 90 years young this man brings important topics to the table every week..he should as he has lived in Langley for most of his life...
VALTAC: Bill Marr...worship:

Other options should be considered


Jul 01 2007


Editor: A study released to the public on June 11 identified and evaluated road/rail crossings that would require grade separation, to provide relief to communities affected by rail transport along the Roberts Bank Rail Corridor.

This study has not had the circulation nor the grasp of understanding by the community of what is involved. The Canadian economy and our quality of life is being impacted by the development of this heavy rail corridor through the Township, in support of Asia-Pacific trade and the expansion of the marine terminals at Roberts Bank. The following is a critique of this study.

Briefly, this study indicates that it is the intention to increase train velocity along the corridor and also to increase the maximum intermodal train lengths to 3.65 km (12,000 feet), which will require extensions to existing sidings plus a new siding in the Boundary Bay area. The frequency of trains along the 78 km corridor will increase to upwards of 38 trains a day by the year 2021, plus the current short local freight trains.

Consider what this entails — noise, waiting for trains to pass and the general closure of streets and passages that are no longer available to us because of train frequency and danger to those close by. Multiply the time these long trains take to clear an intersection, plus the time for the gates to open and traffic to resume, by 38 trains a day, and we find that the roads that we have already paid for are now closed in aggregate, about 4.5 hours out of 24.

Grade separation is certainly required and the benefits from the 204 Street bypass are most evident. But who pays for all of this?

There are at present 65 road crossings of this railroad, 11 are already grade separated and 38 are at-grade public roads. Nine more are being considered to be made grade separated crossings. The completion of the 204 Street overpass is the first grade separated crossing in Langley, and the next crossing being planned for grade separation is Mufford Crescent at Glover Road.

This plan entails not only a grade overpass but a rerouting of Mufford Crescent to the north to cross Glover and to connect with 64 Avenue at 216 Street. This study or plan must be rethought, as it seemingly will ruin 100 acres or so of prime agricultural farm land.

It appears that the next crossing to receive grade separation will be at 232 Street, and yet there appears to be no plan to create an overpass of the railway on the Bypass near Glover Road. This is an oversight.

The federal government is making a contribution of $75 million for building road/rail separation along the Roberts Bank Rail Corridor between Mission and Deltaport. We assume that there will be other contributions.

Let us look at the cost of this rail infrastructure. The 204 Street overpass has cost about $36 million; the estimated cost of these projects ranges from approximately $15 to $20 million for a ‘simple’ grade separation crossing in Delta, to $78 to $108 million for substantial improvements such as the combination of the 54 Avenue/192 Street/196 Street project in Surrey and Langley.

The estimated capital cost of these potential nine additional grade separated crossings is $189 to $251 million.

This is a considerable amount, yet the future impact of container activity at Roberts Bank, including the introduction of Terminal 2, as an economic generator is expected to contribute a total value to the GDP of $2.7 billion, an increase of $1.9 billion over the existing activity. These are buoyant forecasts for continued growth in this Asia-Pacific trade.

Canada must compete and we must strengthen our transportation corridors and marine terminals. We must also help facilitate the whole of the transportation infrastructure and be strong, otherwise the Canadian economy, and ultimately our quality of life, is endangered. But must we have this heavy rail corridor bisecting our community?

One of the objectives of VALTAC is “the development of an alternate and safer route for bulk and container traffic in the Langley area.” There is a better way.

In 1968, the Lower Mainland Regional Planning Board prepared a brief for Lower Mainland municipalities and the province. This was to draw attention to proposals for rail links to the port facility being built at Roberts Bank.

The conclusion and recommendation of this study was “for an industrial rail corridor along the Fraser River and not through the Boundary Bay and Fraser Valley communities, and the rail route to Roberts Bank should be located as part of this Fraser River corridor.”

The money to be spent on grade separated crossings would go a long way to rerouting rails back to the Fraser corridor, along the South Fraser Perimeter Road.

It is costly to reroute rail lines, and this whole project involves large expenditures. If we cannot make enough from our Asian sales to pay for the infrastructure, then what is the point? Other options should be considered. The CN railway could be ditched through Fort Langley, or it could be re-routed along McMillan Island. There are other solutions.

Our final observation on this study is that this again seems to be a patch-up of a plan that was wrong from the beginning. VALTAC’s objective is to encourage a 50-year Master Transportation Plan for the Lower Mainland. Please visit our Web Site, www.valtac.org, and join with us for a better community.

William L. Marr,

director, VALTAC

SpongeG
07-04-2007, 07:14 AM
i read somewhere else that the panama canal is being expanded and will be ready in the next decade and that a lot of what comes here from Asia will just go that route by passing vancouver all together as they really want to get to the east coast as shipping is quicker and cheaper than having to transport it by train etc across canada

i wonder how that will affect things here...

VALTAC
07-04-2007, 07:19 AM
Please visit our website,

IF you would like to post documents, rail reports, or write something on transportation/rail issues please email us at valtac@telus.net

The funding announcement of last week was not received well by the people of Langley. We were at the two day Canada day event, and people are very concerned about the fact that this funding was announced to address the movement of goods, while in Toronto they are announcing mega money for moving the people...where's the balance.

The tide just turned....we now realize we were played by local politicians, our federal government... we believe we were strategically silenced...with promise of help and support for our initiatives...BUT NO MORE>>>>>> look out .....Langley is blowing steam!!!

www.valtac.org

SpongeG
07-04-2007, 07:27 AM
people who move to langley deserve it

lol

ruin our farmlands with their ugly ass sprawl

tintinium
07-04-2007, 06:00 PM
Panama is expanding? For more capacity or bigger ships? Ships called "post-panamax" ships are the ones that are important to The west coast... Panamax ships are the ship built to be the absolute maximum size that can fit through the Panama Canal.

I know Colombia has always wanted to built a canal, but the country can't unite to actually do it.

tintinium
07-04-2007, 06:02 PM
double post

SpongeG
07-04-2007, 10:16 PM
this is what wikipedia says:

The Third Set of Locks Project is a megaproject that will expand the Panama Canal. The expansion will be greater than at any time since the canal's construction. The Panama Canal Authority proposed the project after years of study. Panamanian President Martín Torrijos presented the plan on April 24, 2006 and Panamanian citizens approved it in a national referendum by 76.8% of votes on October 22, 2006. The project will double the canal's capacity and allow more traffic.

The project will create a new lane of traffic along the Canal by constructing a new set of locks. Details of the project include the following integrated components:

Construction of two lock complexes — one on the Atlantic side and another on the Pacific side — each with three chambers, which include three water-saving basins;
Excavation of new access channels to the new locks and the widening of existing navigational channels; and,
Deepening of the navigation channels and the elevation of Gatun Lake’s maximum operating level.[1]
As stipulated by the Panamanian Constitution, any project to expand the Canal had to be approved by the Cabinet, the National Assembly and by a referendum[2]. On Friday July 14, the National Assembly unanimously approved the proposal. In addition, the Assembly passed a law mandating a national referendum on the proposal. The referendum was held on October 22, 2006, the first Sunday more than 90 days after National Assembly approval.[3]


i can't access the vancouver sun archives but the story ran on june 17th - here is all i can see

Massive Deltaport expansion awash in questions
Vancouver Province (subscription), Canada - 17 Jun 2007
More importantly, a widening of the Panama Canal is expected to be finished by 2014, which means that Asian exporters will then be able to transport ...

from what i recall the article goes on to say that asian exporters can bypass the deltaport and use the new canal to reach the east coast where the importers are and want the goods - its cheaper for them and quicker for them

tintinium
07-05-2007, 07:22 PM
interesting.

zilfondel
07-06-2007, 12:39 AM
$5.3 billion project:

Comparison of sizes

* class: Panamax => Post-Panamax Lock Upgrade
* Length: 1050 ft => 1400 ft
* Width: 110 ft => 180 ft
* Draft: 41 ft => 60 ft
* TEU: 5000 => 12000

Quite a significant increase in ship size allowed to traverse the Panama Canal with the new upgrade.

Bert
07-06-2007, 03:15 AM
from what i recall the article goes on to say that asian exporters can bypass the deltaport and use the new canal to reach the east coast where the importers are and want the goods - its cheaper for them and quicker for them
Quicker?

SpongeG
07-06-2007, 05:28 AM
well they don't have to transfer the goods to trucks or trains and than get driven out east to wherever i assume is why they say its quicker??

the article was basically pointing out that here BC is spending millions on this project of which there is great opposition and just on the horizon is this panam canal project and we may end up with a white elephant

tintinium
07-06-2007, 06:15 PM
I'm not sure it will become a white elephant. I'm sure train travel will continue to be an important way of getting goods to places.

But I'm surprised the Panama Canal is so cheap to upgrade.

officedweller
07-06-2007, 06:58 PM
I'm not sure that ship travel is automatically faster than rail travel - don't they say that shipping goods to Prince Rupert will speed up delivery of goods to the US midwest versus shipping to Vancouver? (i.e. and the time savings is not just due to avoidance of the backlog in Vancouver)

SpongeG
07-07-2007, 01:33 AM
i really have no idea - the article seemed to be from an anti-expansion view point

VALTAC
07-11-2007, 07:38 AM
See the article below from the Province today. To see MP John Cummins document visit our website www.valtac.org Our website has been updated over the last few days with tons of info on the Roberts Bank Rail Corridor announcement of last week...www.valtac.org

THE FRASER VALLEY
MP pushing electric freight-only rail line
Brian Lewis
John Cummins is confident he’s found a way to keep Deltaport’s planned expansion on track to accommodate increased Asia-Pacific trade — but with far less negative impact on local communities than some of the current Gateway initiatives.


And a key element in the maverick Delta-Richmond East MP’s solution is simply to get down on your knees and play with the concept of electric trains.


Rather than move growing numbers of shipping containers through an expanding Deltaport on trucks and conventional trains that dissect densely populated parts of Delta, Surrey and the two Langleys, Cummins proposes a dedicated electrified freight-only rail line from Deltaport to Abbotsford that could be confined primarily to industrial areas. His proposal is outlined in a special four-page report titled Better Way For Gateway Project, which the Tory MP is distributing widely throughout the region.


Where the current rail route runs from Deltaport through East Ladner, South Surrey, Cloverdale and Langley City and Township, Cummins’ electrified rail route from the port connects with the Burlington Northern/Santa Fe line that parallels Highway 91 to the Alex Fraser Bridge. From there it would tunnel underneath North Delta near Nordel Way, then run past Fraser Surrey Docks to connect with the CN mainline near the Port Mann Bridge.


Not only does this route remove freight and coal-train traffic from the region’s community cores, but the Cummins proposal also advocates intermodal loading and offloading facilities along the route, thus lessening the need for significantly increased container-truck traffic and container storage facilities near core residential areas.


Furthermore, removing freight rail traffic from the existing tracks would allow them to be used exclusively for light-rail interurban transit up the Fraser Valley.


“Electrified rail is quieter and it doesn’t pollute,” he says, “and this route would also remove any immediate need for the $1-billion South Fraser Perimeter Road.”


His plan is based on a $6-billion project now under way in the Netherlands, where a 160-kilometre double-track, electrified freightonly rail line is being built to connect the Dutch superport of Rotterdam to Germany.


“The idea in Holland is to minimize the impact on people and I think that here the Asia Pacific Gateway Corridor project needs to make the same commitment to putting the interests of people first,” Cummins explains.


Among the current Gateway initiatives the proposed South Fraser Perimeter Road will pave over significant amounts of Delta farmland, encroach on environmentally sensitive Burns Bog and is already forcing hundreds of residents and businesses off their properties while the port expansion will also lead to establishing a major rail yard near Ladner and dramatically increase truck and rail traffic through regional residential and town centres.


However, Cummins admits that his plan is only a concept at this point so costing has yet to be done, but some of the region’s mayors who have been briefed by the MP say it’s worth more study.


“On a map the idea looks good but you really need to drill much deeper to see if it’s practical, feasible and affordable,” says Langley City Mayor Peter Fassbender. OK, then let’s drill.


blewis@png.canwest.com

officedweller
07-11-2007, 10:09 AM
This proposal would necessitate a modal shift in - Abbotsford it seems - from diesel locomotives to electric locomotives (and vis versa).

I doubt that the railways - CN, CP and BNSF would want to invest in new locomotives (and the attendant maintenance facilities) just for the short section of track. It also means that locomotives and train crews would have to be shuffled / reassigned at the transfer point.

If a new authority is established to run the electrified line, it isn't reasonable to expect the railways to contract out their work to the authority and its electric locomotives - I can see union problems already.

Even if there are intermodal facilities along the route, there would still be truck traffic from these intermodal facilities to the various freight forwarders scattered around the lower mainland who sort the goods and repack them into containers for reloading onto trains and eventual through shipment to their destinations. Unless the electrified train project proposes moving the freight forwarders' businesses out to Abbotsford, there may not be much reduction in intermodal truck traffic.

fever
07-12-2007, 03:14 AM
However, if a centralized intermodal facility is built and freight forwarders group around it, goods' movement through Vancouver should become much more efficient. Abbotsford is a good location because the rail bridge there allows for containers unloaded at Roberts Bank to be handled in the same location as containers unloaded at Vanterm and Centerm.

officedweller
07-12-2007, 07:03 PM
Good point - that would work well for long haul goods destined for points east, but not sure that would serve goods destined for the lower mainland. i.e. warehouses would be located in the inner suburbs.
Moving freight forwarders to Abbotsford could also exacerbate the spread of sprawl - i.e. jobs and light industrial sites - away from the inner suburbs even further into Abbotsford and Chilliwack - which in turn would put further pressure on Fraser Valley transportation infrastucture.

Sounds like a typical NIMBY argument and the reuslting problem - move the industrial uses far from the residential uses - i.e. away from the traditional core to the suburbs - thereby putting increased pressure on transportation infrastructure in the outer suburbs - but jobs and residents will follow industry, exacerbating the problem over time.

fever
07-13-2007, 05:51 AM
Good point - that would work well for long haul goods destined for points east, but not sure that would serve goods destined for the lower mainland. i.e. warehouses would be located in the inner suburbs.
Moving freight forwarders to Abbotsford could also exacerbate the spread of sprawl - i.e. jobs and light industrial sites - away from the inner suburbs even further into Abbotsford and Chilliwack - which in turn would put further pressure on Fraser Valley transportation infrastucture.

Sounds like a typical NIMBY argument and the reuslting problem - move the industrial uses far from the residential uses - i.e. away from the traditional core to the suburbs - thereby putting increased pressure on transportation infrastructure in the outer suburbs - but jobs and residents will follow industry, exacerbating the problem over time.

This is true. However, the alternative sites as far as I can tell are Pitt Meadows, but only if a rail bridge is built across the Fraser between there and New West, and Kamloops. There isn't an inner suburban location where rail lines from all of the container ports meet.

VALTAC
08-10-2007, 07:03 AM
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