[jimj_wpg]

I had to start a new thread because the Winnipeg Photos thread was Closed... :shrug:

Marc B said, on the Winnipeg Photos thread (post #103) (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=3043581&postcount=103):

By the way, comparative boasting, imo, is petty, small, and counter-productive. I don't understand why it occurs so often in these threads?

It's a guy thing Marc. Guys are biologically competitive and that's the way it's supposed to be.

If guys weren't competitive, there would be no race to the new tallest/highest skyscraper, would there?

Read Michael Gurian's book,
The Wonder of Boys (http://www.amazon.com/Wonder-Boys-Michael-Gurian/dp/0874778875) for more info.

[vid]

See my signature. :)

[jimj_wpg]

:previous: :cheers:

Amen, bro.

[Tower Crane]

We are well on our way, now if we can just get newflyer and J-Man to stop using half truth information, back handed compliments in newflyers case, no data attached to half baked suggestions, and stretching things into other things that they aren't we will have some great posts. Calgary, Edmonton, and Winnipeg have to stop scrapping each other as they share, so many commonalities, unique in their own ways, and people that move back and forth.

[1ajs]

lol yea each city is unique in its own way and all have been a boom town........ 2 are curently while one is climbing outa a hole of mismanigment it was in for what 50 years?.......

all three cities have river trail systems they have sprawl issues, they have unique skylines
i could keep on going.............

[newflyer]

We are well on our way, now if we can just get newflyer and J-Man to stop using half truth information, back handed compliments in newflyers case, no data attached to half baked suggestions, and stretching things into other things that they aren't we will have some great posts. Calgary, Edmonton, and Winnipeg have to stop scrapping each other as they share, so many commonalities, unique in their own ways, and people that move back and forth.

Which half truths.. back handed compliments .. and half baked suggestions are you refering too??? ... I would be more than interested in these hald truths... the proximity of the metro area to the lakes??? ... please give this sad dispute a rest. Stats Can determines the metro area ... if you want to dispute it.. take it up with them. They draw the maps .. not me. Perhaps there are just a few extremely sensitive people who can stand to see Winnipegers who are proud of a great city... and are more than willing to say so.

I have said that Edmonton and Calgary both have there own attributes.. Calgary's economy is the envy of the nation ... no doubt.. and Edmonton is also doing very well. What I am tired of is Albertans who look down on other cities, because they don't benefit from $72/bbl oil. Please keep those facts straight.

[J-MAN]

What I am tired of is Albertans who look down on other cities, because they don't benefit from $72/bbl oil. Please keep those facts straight.


1) ahem, newflyer get the hell over here and take controll :cheers:

2) Intothewest
lived and breathed the city in a week?

sha boy, during the summer when tourist activity, and city activity are at their highest.... :yes:


anyways I dont want u becoming another (waterloo son)


so... PEACE:worship:

[IntotheWest]

^Huh?

I think the point here is that for no good reason, you had to make a remark of how you believe Winnipeg has better ped-traffic than Calgary - a point that I didn't agree with (but, acknowledged that both are good), and your judgement was based on "living and breathing" the city in a week. Seems...well...a little short of a visit to make such a statement.

Anyway, why bother making such a statement to begin with? There was nothing in that past thread that even prompted that - so, you can't be surprised that some are going to call BS on such a statement.

@Newflyer - it's also tiring with the couple/few Winnipegers thinking every Albertan is out to get'em ;-) It's just so far from the truth...and at least a vast majority of the Winnipeg forumers know this.

[kool maudit]

If guys weren't competitive, there would be no race to the new tallest/highest skyscraper, would there?



boasting about a personal accomplishment is different than boasting about simply residing in close proximity to the recent achievements of others.

[kool maudit]

double post.

[kool maudit]

triple post.

[CCF]

I'd say IntotheWest is one of the more fair and balanced people on this forum.

[vid]

Indeed, I've never been given any reason to not like him. :)

From what I've seen in pictures (Thunder Bay is the biggest city I've ever been to, but I do live in the densest part of it) Winnipeg looks like it has a better walking atmosphere than Calgary, but Calgary is quickly improving and will blow Winnipeg out of the water soon. Winnipeg has a great asset but like Thunder Bay, is doing very little to capitalize on it. Probably that post-boom era mindset. I think our problem is we see our selves as being past our prime, and subconsciously consider our cities to be unable to attract people and businesses in the way they once did, which is a terrible mindset. Perhaps in 50 or 60 years, when Calgary has lost much of it's raison-d'être, they may suffer a similar affliction.

I don't know if what I made makes any sense but I stand by it. :)

[someone123]

Yes, some kinds of pride are a little strange.

One of the things that annoys me about this forum is that the vast majority of people avoid saying anything negative about anywhere, so instead of real discussions threads become strings of boring platitudes.

I would estimate that roughly 70% of the time when somebody is chewed out for saying something negative it was, nevertheless, entirely truthful.

[vid]

I try to bash my city as much as possible but I'll admit most of it is tongue in cheek.

Though I also have to admit that considering what I've heard about Simpson-Ogden, it isn't anywhere near as bad as people think it is. It isn't the Manhattan's lower east side or anything, but it isn't Winnipeg's north end either, at least this part of it. Down by Cumming and Victoria it gets pretty bad.

[newflyer]

Yes, some kinds of pride are a little strange.

One of the things that annoys me about this forum is that the vast majority of people avoid saying anything negative about anywhere, so instead of real discussions threads become strings of boring platitudes.

I would estimate that roughly 70% of the time when somebody is chewed out for saying something negative it was, nevertheless, entirely truthful.

I have made my share of critical remarks about certain aspects of Winnipeg's mindset both politically and economically. For those comments I have been called a Winnipeg hater... which could not be farther from the truth.

Winninpeg is not perfect.. and nobody here has said it is. There is room for improvements in multiple aspects heading forward.

This does not mean in anyway that Winnipeg does not have alot to be proud of.. nor should Peggers be silient when others try to slame our city for no good reason. Winnipeg is really gaining alot of momentum... and activity is really taking off .. especially in the downtown area.

I just wonder if someone suggested to the people in the Toronto or the Vancouver Forum .. or Calgary forum that they should keep the huge civic egos in check .. if it would have been accepted.

Perhaps some Winnipegers have been talked into thinking that bragging about our city is wrong. :shrug:

I guess thats one of the differences between Winnipeg and Calgary.

[DAVEinEDMONTON]

^Huh?

[QUOTE]I think the point here is that for no good reason, you had to make a remark of how you believe Winnipeg has better ped-traffic than Calgary - a point that I didn't agree with (but, acknowledged that both are good), and your judgement was based on "living and breathing" the city in a week. Seems...well...a little short of a visit to make such a statement.

I think that the winner in the pedestrian traffic has got to be Vancouver. The weather in that city lends itself to good street level traffic.

As for Calgary, Edmonton and Winnipeg, I would think that they are all about the same as far as pedestrian traffic. Depends on the time of day, if anything is going on downtown, the weather etc etc.

Calgary does not have as much street level traffic due to the +15 second floor pedway system. That system has, as in Edmonton, taken away the necessity to make the street level nothing more then a way to enter the buildings and move along the +15 system. Truly, in the business core in Calgary, there will never be much street level pedestrian traffic. Toronto's business core is much the same. Edmonton has lots of underground pedways which carry lots of the pedestrian traffic in the downtown core. (since it is the only city in the prairies that has a "subway").

I think all three cities could do a way better job of concentrating on the main pedestrian streets in the cities, Stephen Avenue Mall in Calgary, Portage Avenue in Winnipeg and Jasper Avenue in Edmonton. All three cities should concentrate on trying to encourage street level pedestrian friendly retail, clean up the nasty parts of the Avenues, if needed, ensure first floor retail in all new developments that go up to encourage people to come out and create a reason to use the Avenues all year long.

[newflyer]

I think all three cities could do a way better job of concentrating on the main pedestrian streets in the cities, Stephen Avenue Mall in Calgary, Portage Avenue in Winnipeg and Jasper Avenue in Edmonton. All three cities should concentrate on trying to encourage street level pedestrian friendly retail, clean up the nasty parts of the Avenues, if needed, ensure first floor retail in all new developments that go up to encourage people to come out and create a reason to use the Avenues all year long.


In Winnipeg's case things are really picking up on Portage Avenue. With the new MTS Centre and the large Manitoba Hydro Head Office building under construction two blocks away. This will enhance the pedestrian traffic on the south-side of Portage day and night. The northside of this massive avenue is still struggling with too many un-utilzed buildings.. and a perception of being unsafe.

With that being said .. the skywalks .. pedways .. +15's .. are a fact of life among the winter pararie cities (Winnipeg, Calgary & Edmonton). Commerical activity will be less active on street level if all the people are using the skywalk system.

[Marc B.]

Jim, I can't decide if I'm flattered or creeped out that you started a new discussion with an off-hand remark I made in a post from a locked thread. But, I don't feel flattered.

For the record, I enjoy my city on its own terms without needing to dwell endlessly on how all of its parts stack up against other communities, or to express arrogantly its superiority against all rivals. I guess this part of the comment's on topic, it's hard to tell.

[Only The Lonely..]

I enjoy my city on its own terms without needing to dwell endlessly on how all of its parts stack up against other communities, or to express arrogantly its superiority against all rivals.

That's truly the mark of living in a confident city.

[J-MAN]

I have made my share of critical remarks about certain aspects of Winnipeg's mindset both politically and economically. For those comments I have been called a Winnipeg hater... which could not be farther from the truth.

Winninpeg is not perfect.. and nobody here has said it is. There is room for improvements in multiple aspects heading forward.



I truly agree with you, the whole city (as in everycity) can and should be doing a lot better...

Newflyer you put a lot of great ideas on the table but who really knows if these ideas will ever get accomplished .... :yes:

[J-MAN]

some stuff i found on flickr

portage ave
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1372/1307764089_c5bf8d03e9_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12583879@N04/1307764089/


view from the radison
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1425/1315063455_988fcccde4_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uwajedi/1315063455/




AWSOME!!!!!:banana: :banana:

[wild wild west]

Nice pictures.

I've yet to see any of these disparaging remarks allegedly directed at Winnipeg by Alberta forumers. Could someone direct me to them?

I challenge all Winnipeg forumers not to make any comments about Calgary or Edmonton whatsoever for a month, unless of course they are in the Alberta section of the Forum. :D

[1ajs]

lol i miss having the west as one giant subform :'(

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1177/1316020299_7a692c5242_b.jpg
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12196545@N03/1316020299/

[kool maudit]

wow - that's quite a tree canopy.

[1ajs]

it sure as hell is :cool:

[DAVEinEDMONTON]

like the trees...anyone need my rake?

[1ajs]

aww why would we rake the leaves they insulate the ground witch slows the frost line down when it dips below -30 witch helps prevent water main brakes............

[DAVEinEDMONTON]

aww why would we rake the leaves they insulate the ground witch slows the frost line down when it dips below -30 witch helps prevent water main brakes............

That may be true but the leaves also contribute to that awful smell of the water during the spring run off that can last well into the summer depending on where you live and how low the rivers get. I spent three years in Calgary and could never drink a hot tea in a restaurant due to the smell from the hot tap water in the tea pot. This was due to the fact that the foliage which lingers causes issues with the water in the Glenmore reservoir...I was happy that my office Calgary had hot bottled water on tap...as for Edmonton, they used to have that problem but solved it by digging an expensive intake pipe to draw water to the downtown waterworks under the river far upstream from the street outfall sewers.

[IntotheWest]

I'd say IntotheWest is one of the more fair and balanced people on this forum.

Thanks CCF - glad to hear!

I've learned a few rules to live by on here: 1) respect all other opinions, 2) I'm not always right ;-) and 3) back-up any claims with data, examples or solid personal experience/observations.

I come to this forum to share ideas, and mostly, learn - about others viewpoints, news, and of course construction and skyscrapers. I likely wouldn't leave the Alberta or Canada forums, but I am genuinely interested in what happens in Winnipeg - as well as Regina, as I think that is a great city with great potential as well.

As for the ped discussion, yes, Van's streets are the best in the west...however, though I somewhat agree with Newflyer's comment about the +15's needed because of the winter weather, as I mentioned before Banff Ave easily has the most ped-traffic in the prairie provinces - and that includes winter. My wife and I go there for a couple days every year around Christmas (anywhere from Nov to the last week of Dec), and we're always amazed at the ped-traffic...and this is low season. Having spent 2 years in downtown Van, I would say it is very close to Robson in the same months. In fact, it's busy enough that stores usually stay open well past 9pm. In my opinion, this is enough to suggest that even with a couple/few weeks of real cold weather in Calgary (Banff is slightly colder on average), +15s could be removed (or, partially)...as the ped-traffic on streets like Stephen Ave and 17th - even in winter - is quite good.

[Greco Roman]

Nice pictures.


I challenge all Winnipeg forumers not to make any comments about Calgary or Edmonton whatsoever for a month

And I redirect this challenge to the Alberta forumers in regards to Winnipeg (mainly Edmonton and Calgary, but ESPECIALLY Calgary :D )

[IntotheWest]

^In the Alberta forums? Not sure the Peg comes up much at all (do you know of any threads for examples?).

Many Alberta forumers come to the MB/Sask thread since they grew-up, or spent a lot of time there...like me, and not unlike yourself (and Newflyer).

[vid]

wow - that's quite a tree canopy.

Yes, it is. You can have one too -- after you've started playing in Mayor mode, press ctrl+alt+shift, then when you click on God Mode, it will open. Then select the tree planting tool, and hold 'shift' while using it to cover the city in trees. :cheers:

[J-MAN]

Many Alberta forumers come to the MB/Sask thread since they grew-up, or spent a lot of time there...like me, and not unlike yourself (and Newflyer).


The only ones who really seem to 'pound the peg' are really:

90% ppl who are born here
10% the idiots who drive around looking at stupid shit:yuck:

[kool maudit]

the ground witch slows the frost line down.


sounds useful; wish the church hadn't done away with ours.

http://www.picknettprince.com/books/secrethistoryoflucifer/lucifer-witch_burning-web.jpg

[Greco Roman]

^In the Alberta forums? Not sure the Peg comes up much at all (do you know of any threads for examples?).

Many Alberta forumers come to the MB/Sask thread since they grew-up, or spent a lot of time there...like me, and not unlike yourself (and Newflyer).

Well, why should there be restrictions for the Winnipeg forumers and not the Calgary or Edmonton ones? Albertans come here and critique to their hearts content, yet if a Manitoban would do the same thing there, they would get mocked. I think the Winnipeg forumers (and Winnipeggers in general) take a lot of crap from other forumers (and even more from Canadians in general life) from other parts of the country, being the brunt of national jokes and what not.

Its time to be proud of where we grew up. It's time to make changes in order to get Winnipeg to reach it's full potential. I have unlimited confidence that, with the right people in charge of course, this city can become something that the rest of Canada will RESPECT (do you hear me Canada? That's right, I said RESPECT), and maybe envy a little ;) .

And let me tell you something; I am NOT afraid to boast about my city for any reason whatsoever. I couldn't give a rat's ass about what other people think of me. I'm proud of where I come from and I ain't afraid to show it! I will stand up and speak out for my hometown no matter what.

[Marc B.]

the ground witch slows the frost line down.
poetic, kinda like:

I know of some folks that'd be set up
At having in their town a noted witch:
But most would have to think of the expense
That even I would be.

[J-MAN]

I think the Winnipeg forumers (and Winnipeggers in general) take a lot of crap from other forumers (and even more from Canadians in general life) from other parts of the country, being the brunt of national jokes and what not.

I will stand up and speak out for my hometown no matter what.


I think saskatchewan has aways had the bad rep ...

btw, u didnt stand up for winnipeg before, if somthing was obviously wronge...

[Greco Roman]

btw, u didnt stand up for winnipeg before, if somthing was obviously wronge...

Right, because I kept my mouth shut during the whole Waterlooson fiasco. :rolleyes:

Anyways, I went too far with that; I let him get on my nerves. I think we've all learned (from me probably, lol) not to feed trolls.

My point being is for someone to tell me that I shouldn't be proud of where I come from is ludicrous. No matter where you are from, you ARE entitle to feel some pride for goodness sakes.

BTW, between you and Adrian, we have a good photo collection going, and now with my new digital camera, the next time I get home I'm going to do some "exploring" myself. :)

[IntotheWest]

^Greco, other than your example of the one forumer above, what other Alberta forumers do come on here and talk bad about the Peg? List names if you have to. But, the same is NOT true about the Alberta threads...I can't think of any threads in which the Alberta forumers were bashing the Peg. Just doesn't happen. Those Alberta forumers who are not from the Peg, don't care, and those that are like the Peg.

From what I understood as to your situation, you may be dwelling in AB as well...so, why would it be okay for you to live in AB yet be "proud" of being from the Peg, while it wouldn't be for others?

I think there's a chip on some shoulders here...because, I don't think anyone else has said you shouldn't be proud (other than perhaps Waterlooson, or whatever) - I think you automatically come to a defense that's not necessary.

If you are running into people in AB that do put down MB - which frankly, wouldn't surprise me - I'd be surprised if they are from Winnipeg. I have many Winnipeg friends and colleagues now living in AB, and all still like it there. However, if it's made you bitter/defensive on these forums, it's somewhat understandable. I had the same problem when I worked in Toronto, and again in Vancouver - and listened to the Edmonton or Calgary bashing...it made me defensive toward the TO/Van forumers on here - until I realized they seem to be a little better informed :-)

Anyways - hope this whole vs thing can be put to rest, and the threads continue with meaningful discussions :-)

[Ruckus]

Well, why should there be restrictions for the Winnipeg forumers and not the Calgary or Edmonton ones? Albertans come here and critique to their hearts content, yet if a Manitoban would do the same thing there, they would get mocked. I think the Winnipeg forumers (and Winnipeggers in general) take a lot of crap from other forumers (and even more from Canadians in general life) from other parts of the country, being the brunt of national jokes and what not.

Its time to be proud of where we grew up. It's time to make changes in order to get Winnipeg to reach it's full potential. I have unlimited confidence that, with the right people in charge of course, this city can become something that the rest of Canada will RESPECT (do you hear me Canada? That's right, I said RESPECT), and maybe envy a little ;) .

And let me tell you something; I am NOT afraid to boast about my city for any reason whatsoever. I couldn't give a rat's ass about what other people think of me. I'm proud of where I come from and I ain't afraid to show it! I will stand up and speak out for my hometown no matter what.

Switch Winnipeg with Saskatoon, Manitoba with Saskatchewan, go back in time (any time between 1985 and present day), and essentially your attitude is identical to my own.

I really enjoyed exposing myths (crime/no job opportunites or educational opportunities/racial tension/lack of entertainment or recreation) about the province and Saskatoon (I wore my Saskatoon T-shirt proudly on Calgary streets, in the bars, parks, etc for the most effective and lasting impression). It became a source of personal satisfaction to feel and see people react when learning about a place they thought they knew, now appear as something of interest and value to others and more importantly themselves.

Not that I had anything to do with my hometown's revival, but I like to think I made a positive contribution, and hope everyone I made an impression on thinks back about the young man from Saskatoon.

Positive people = Positive place; One of many things I observed and adopted while living and working in Calgary. Positive things tend to follow positive people, or is it the other way around ;)

Some modest claims about Saskatoon: I see Alberta and Manitoba license plates with a high frequency similiar to Saskatchewan plates in Calgary during my 2003-2004 stay.

From the Alberta plates I do see, most vehicles were purchased from smaller Alberta cities (Airdrie,Okotoks,Cochrane,Red Deer,High River,Sherwood Park,Grand Prairie IIRC) with the rest coming from Calgary and Edmonton.

Winnipeg is a wonderful city with huge potential. Patience is key....I've waited dearly to experience an evolution of Saskatoon and Saskatchewan after experiencing Calgary and Alberta. As you mentioned in your post, change requires select people with certain attitudes to manage and more importantly drive that change to new levels never thought possible.

Good luck in your quest!

[spiritedenergy]

That may be true but the leaves also contribute to that awful smell of the water during the spring run off that can last well into the summer depending on where you live and how low the rivers get. I spent three years in Calgary and could never drink a hot tea in a restaurant due to the smell from the hot tap water in the tea pot. This was due to the fact that the foliage which lingers causes issues with the water in the Glenmore reservoir...I was happy that my office Calgary had hot bottled water on tap...as for Edmonton, they used to have that problem but solved it by digging an expensive intake pipe to draw water to the downtown waterworks under the river far upstream from the street outfall sewers.

doesn't make sense

[Only The Lonely..]

^Greco, other than your example of the one forumer above, what other Alberta forumers do come on here and talk bad about the Peg? List names if you have to. But, the same is NOT true about the Alberta threads...I can't think of any threads in which the Alberta forumers were bashing the Peg. Just doesn't happen. Those Alberta forumers who are not from the Peg, don't care, and those that are like the Peg.



He's not alone, i've had some bad experiences in the Edmonton threads. I haven't visited anything relating to Edmonton on the site for some time.

For whatever reason Calgarians seem to be a little more secure when it comes to their city. Edmontonians seem to feel the need to make up the difference by beating up on the 'Peg.

Although in my humble opinion Winnipeg and Edmonton are NOT as wildly different as some in the Alberta section would suggest.

[IntotheWest]

^Okay, fair enough...I guess when I'm saying "Alberta" forums, I stick closely to the Calgary Construction thread and little else.

You are somewhat correct about Edmonton though. Aside from being larger (considerably now), when I moved there 10 years ago from the Peg, I thought it felt a lot like Winnipeg. Can't put a finger on it though, because it is also considerably different.

Anyway, still no good reason to pick on the Peg - or Sask (another, more probable target for many on and off these forums).

[Greco Roman]

He's not alone, i've had some bad experiences in the Edmonton threads. I haven't visited anything relating to Edmonton on the site for some time.

For whatever reason Calgarians seem to be a little more secure when it comes to their city. Edmontonians seem to feel the need to make up the difference by beating up on the 'Peg.

Although in my humble opinion Winnipeg and Edmonton are NOT as wildly different as some in the Alberta section would suggest.

They are definately secure in their city, but maybe a little too secure. When I lived there, the condescending, arrogant attitude of "oh you are from Winnipeg? So sorry to hear that" coupled with the belief that "Calgary is sooooo much better and way more civilized than Winnipeg" was over-abundant wherever I went, and really left even more of a bad impression of the mentality of that city on me.

Once again, I really do like that city, but can't stand the arrogant mentality of the citizens. I don't live there anymore, and am now back in a more level-headed city, IMHO :cool:

[wild wild west]

And I redirect this challenge to the Alberta forumers in regards to Winnipeg (mainly Edmonton and Calgary, but ESPECIALLY Calgary :D )

It's not necessary - I rarely if ever see Winnipeg being brought up in conversations in the Alberta section.

[wild wild west]

They are definately secure in their city, but maybe a little too secure. When I lived there, the condescending, arrogant attitude of "oh you are from Winnipeg? So sorry to hear that" coupled with the belief that "Calgary is sooooo much better and way more civilized than Winnipeg" was over-abundant wherever I went, and really left even more of a bad impression of the mentality of that city on me.

Once again, I really do like that city, but can't stand the arrogant mentality of the citizens. I don't live there anymore, and am now back in a more level-headed city, IMHO :cool:

Not sure what kind of people you associate with when in Calgary, but since most of us are from somewhere else to begin with I have never had a problem with being ridiculed about where I'm from, and neither has my Saskatchewan-born wife. In fact in my experience the problem is just the opposite - whenever my in-laws come to visit from Saskatchewan, they always get some cheap-shots in about how Calgary is too congested, expensive, big, dry, treeless, soulless, water-less, cold, dangerous, snobby or whatever. I don't let it bother me, since in my experience, people who feel the need to take cheap-shots at somewhere else are either insecure, envious or just plain pricks to begin with.

[Only The Lonely..]

Not sure what kind of people you associate with when in Calgary, but since most of us are from somewhere else to begin with I have never had a problem with being ridiculed about where I'm from, and neither has my Saskatchewan-born wife. In fact in my experience the problem is just the opposite - whenever my in-laws come to visit from Saskatchewan, they always get some cheap-shots in about how Calgary is too congested, expensive, big, dry, treeless, soulless, water-less, cold, dangerous, snobby or whatever. I don't let it bother me, since in my experience, people who feel the need to take cheap-shots at somewhere else are either insecure, envious or just plain pricks to begin with.

Point proven about the level of confidence Calgarians have.

Now if only your brethren in Edmonton weren't so insecure.

[DLLB]

I really like that picutre of the legislative building and all the trees in the background. I used to live under some of the in River Heights. In the summer when you looked down the street, you saw more tree that sky. It was beautiful.

[DAVEinEDMONTON]

For whatever reason Calgarians seem to be a little more secure when it comes to their city. Edmontonians seem to feel the need to make up the difference by beating up on the 'Peg.

Please show me a quote in the last two weeks where these hoards of Edmontonians are picking on the 'Peg...btw...Waterlooson was from BC...

[IntotheWest]

In fact in my experience the problem is just the opposite - whenever my in-laws come to visit from Saskatchewan, they always get some cheap-shots in about how Calgary is too congested, expensive, big, dry, treeless, soulless, water-less, cold, dangerous, snobby or whatever.

Actually, I guess I kinda forgot about it (or never really was paying attention?)...but while in the Peg, a few folks mentioned that to me as well - specifically targeting "sprawl", traffic, and expensive.

Otherwise I agree with your comments (and I'm guessing Greco is ignoring my comments towards him?)...I know quite a few former Winnipegers here, and all still like it there. However, as mentioned about comments I heard from Vancouverites and Torontonians directed at my living in Calgary were taken to heart - but really, it was few and far between...not a regular occurence.

[wild wild west]

/\Oh yeah, how could I forget about "sprawl" - my brother-in-law was in town last month, and he started talking about the amount of new construction here. I thought he was going to actually give Calgary a compliment for once, but instead he started into a 15 minute lecture about how "ridiculous" Calgary's sprawl is and how ugly all the new development is! I used to argue with him in years past, but honestly after a while you realize that there's just no point, so I typically just change the subject. I can't figure out why a guy would vacation here twice a year, yet never has a single good thing to say about this city or this province.

[newflyer]

/\Oh yeah, how could I forget about "sprawl" - my brother-in-law was in town last month, and he started talking about the amount of new construction here. I thought he was going to actually give Calgary a compliment for once, but instead he started into a 15 minute lecture about how "ridiculous" Calgary's sprawl is and how ugly all the new development is! I used to argue with him in years past, but honestly after a while you realize that there's just no point, so I typically just change the subject. I can't figure out why a guy would vacation here twice a year, yet never has a single good thing to say about this city or this province.

Perhpas he loves to ski ??? .. or maybe enjoys the Rockies wilderness ?? :shrug:

The Calgary area offers alot more than construction of sprawl.

[CCF]

Not sure what kind of people you associate with when in Calgary, but since most of us are from somewhere else to begin with I have never had a problem with being ridiculed about where I'm from, and neither has my Saskatchewan-born wife. In fact in my experience the problem is just the opposite - whenever my in-laws come to visit from Saskatchewan, they always get some cheap-shots in about how Calgary is too congested, expensive, big, dry, treeless, soulless, water-less, cold, dangerous, snobby or whatever. I don't let it bother me, since in my experience, people who feel the need to take cheap-shots at somewhere else are either insecure, envious or just plain pricks to begin with.

I'm sorry...but there's a lot more bashing of Saskatchewan on Alberta's part than the other way around.

[Greco Roman]

Actually, I guess I kinda forgot about it (or never really was paying attention?)...but while in the Peg, a few folks mentioned that to me as well - specifically targeting "sprawl", traffic, and expensive.

Otherwise I agree with your comments (and I'm guessing Greco is ignoring my comments towards him?)...I know quite a few former Winnipegers here, and all still like it there. However, as mentioned about comments I heard from Vancouverites and Torontonians directed at my living in Calgary were taken to heart - but really, it was few and far between...not a regular occurence.


And which comments are you referring to, exactly? The ones you make where I'm supposed to read between your lines and realize that my opinions on Calgary are unfounded? :rolleyes:

[wild wild west]

I'm sorry...but there's a lot more bashing of Saskatchewan on Alberta's part than the other way around.

Not in my experience.

[CCF]

Not in my experience.

You've got to be kidding me....

I don't think I have ever come in contact with a person from ALberta who actually had good things to say about Saskatchewan. Whereas Saskatchewan has 200,000 some people living in Alberta...that must say something.

[Greco Roman]

You've got to be kidding me....

I don't think I have ever come in contact with a person from ALberta who actually had good things to say about Saskatchewan. Whereas Saskatchewan has 200,000 some people living in Alberta...that must say something.

I think Albertan's are just blind to this fact, and will never admit to this.

Like I said, when I first moved to Alberta and told people where I was origionally from, I recieved responses such as "oh God, you are from where? The only thing good about Saskatchewan and Manitoba is that they collect the shit from the Geese flying south for the winter."

Plain stupidity from Albertans; moreso those from the southern portion of the province.

Why do they act like this, I do not know....................................

[newflyer]

I think Albertan's are just blind to this fact, and will never admit to this.

Like I said, when I first moved to Alberta and told people where I was origionally from, I recieved responses such as "oh God, you are from where? The only thing good about Saskatchewan and Manitoba is that they collect the shit from the Geese flying south for the winter."

Plain stupidity from Albertans.

Why do they act like this, I do not know....................................

Its mostly just ignorance.... from my experience .. most Calgarians who like to throw insults at the Peg or Saskatoon have little to no real experience to base it on. What it comes down to in many cases is Winnipeg can't be any good becuase its not Calgary.. :koko:

Yet when you actually enlighten them to the Winnipeg lifestyle.. and what it has to offer .. in many cases those same people are suprisingly impressed and say they had no idea.

Granted the local media in Calgary has lead the locals to believe the city is golden, but thats a completely different discussion. Some people here are a little too simplistic and believe everthing they hear.

The bottomline is... from someone who knows both cities very well, Winnipeg has alot to be extremely proud of.

[wild wild west]

/\No point in arguing, since you 3 have already made up your minds and nothing the rest of us say, even if based on real-life evidence, will make you revisit your sweeping generalizations. Must be hard walking around all day with those chips on your shoulders.

[CCF]

Case in point...

A news story about a Calgary couple who moved to Regina cited that their quality of life increased when they moved to Regina.

The CTV anchor responded "Yeah...but you have to live in Regina." I cannot even fathom someone on CTV Regina or any news station for that matter saying something similar about Calgary.

[newflyer]

Case in point...

A news story about a Calgary couple who moved to Regina cited that their quality of life increased when they moved to Regina.

The CTV anchor responded "Yeah...but you have to live in Regina." I cannot even fathom someone on CTV Regina or any news station for that matter saying something similar about Calgary.

Yup.. :yes: ... thats Calgary for you.

Can you imagine another city's media being to blatantly rude... but god forbid if someone from outside Alberta refers to Calgary as a large backwards hick cowtown. It is incredible how there is such a justifable double standard in Calgary.

On that point I have heard dozens of ex-Sask pats and non-Sask pats considering moving out of Calgary purely for the higher quality of life.

[DAVEinEDMONTON]

Case in point...

A news story about a Calgary couple who moved to Regina cited that their quality of life increased when they moved to Regina.

The CTV anchor responded "Yeah...but you have to live in Regina." I cannot even fathom someone on CTV Regina or any news station for that matter saying something similar about Calgary.

The problem here is that lots of people cannot fairly or objectively measure the quality of life. It is based on a number of things and I think you can get everything you need in any major western Canadian city. I suppose there is no NHL team in Manitoba or Saskatchewan but who cares? There is everything else...maybe not as much choice...but it is all there. And culturally, Winnipeg has way more stuff going on than most. I guess it all depends on what turns your crank!!! I always say that of Edmonton which has lots of entertainment and you can do it all. There may be only 2 jazz hangouts instead of a dozen but that does not matter. I used to love it when I lived in Calgary and people bawked that I preferred Edmonton because, really, how could I? The mountains are so much closer in Calgary and Calgary has sooo many more office towers ya da ya da ya da...I get the simliar issues with Vancouver...you know...so close to the ocean and the mountains etc etc...well...never has the number of office towers anywhere added to my "quality of life". And then I ask my doubting Calgary colleagues "When was the last time you been to the mountains?" and the answer is usually not in a very long time. I ask the Vancouverites the same thing, "Been to the beach lately or sailed the ocean lately and the answer is more often then not...no! And I know it is there if that is your lifestyle...but certainly if I could save $200,000 on a house and spend my holidays travelling to exotic places aoprund the world with my extra disposible income I would say that is a big plus to my "quality of life'.

I am just happy I bought my house in Edmonton in 1987 when things were much much cheaper..:haha: .

[1ajs]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1397/1369441506_0cb8c834f2_o.jpg

[newflyer]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1397/1369441506_0cb8c834f2_o.jpg

Yeah .. its going to be impressive!! :tup:

[1ajs]

you gota see it from central park ooo man.......

[newflyer]

you gota see it from central park ooo man.......

Pics???


lol .. look who I'm asking . ;)

[1ajs]

Pics???


lol .. look who I'm asking . ;)

did not have my camera with me last night when i passed by it... :( been so busy working on the ethinal tanks stuff at the shell terminal in st b industrial park comising starts in a mater of days lol and its not even ready

[IntotheWest]

And which comments are you referring to, exactly? The ones you make where I'm supposed to read between your lines and realize that my opinions on Calgary are unfounded? :rolleyes:

No, no. I actually spell it out for you - no in-between-line-reading.

Anyway, not all of your opinions on Calgary are unfounded...but, not every Calgarian you talk to puts down Winnipeg - that's just very, very hard to believe.

And so you, and Newflyer at times try coming off as defenders living in the land of all Evil reporting back to Winnipeg...some of us are just trying to help "balance" some of that ;)

Winnipegers and Sask shouldn't feel the need to defend. As I tried mentioning in a previous post, I heard it all from Torontonians and Vancouverites (and trust me, some Vancouverites can look down on every other city in Canada)...just let it go. You choose to live where you want to live, you don't need to defend it.

[IntotheWest]

Case in point...

A news story about a Calgary couple who moved to Regina cited that their quality of life increased when they moved to Regina.

The CTV anchor responded "Yeah...but you have to live in Regina." I cannot even fathom someone on CTV Regina or any news station for that matter saying something similar about Calgary.

CCF - This was on the local CTV station in Calgary, and you saw it?

Wow...that is surprising. And I'll just say that one of the morning support personalities on CityTV's BT is from Sask (small-town, can't remember which) and talks highly of the lifestyle there whenever it comes up.

So, even if it did happen on CTV, I wouldn't assume that's a regular thing.

[CCF]

Sorry it was actually Global, not CTV.

Here's the link. It's at the end...don't mind the fuzz in the middle.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aILQl-pUuys

I also recall listening to the radio this summer where someone called into the Gormely show and was irked by an Edmonton broadcaster dumping on Saskatchewan.

I'm not saying Saskatchewanians don't do the same, but in my experience I have only ever heard bad things about SK from Alberta. Most of Saskatchewan's youth can't wait to move to Calgary...so that says something.

[204]

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1397/1369441506_0cb8c834f2_o.jpg

Dude, you're obsessed with that building. Give it a rest ;)

We are all proud of both of Winnipeg's cranes....

[Greco Roman]

No, no. I actually spell it out for you - no in-between-line-reading.

Anyway, not all of your opinions on Calgary are unfounded...but, not every Calgarian you talk to puts down Winnipeg - that's just very, very hard to believe.

And so you, and Newflyer at times try coming off as defenders living in the land of all Evil reporting back to Winnipeg...some of us are just trying to help "balance" some of that ;)

Winnipegers and Sask shouldn't feel the need to defend. As I tried mentioning in a previous post, I heard it all from Torontonians and Vancouverites (and trust me, some Vancouverites can look down on every other city in Canada)...just let it go. You choose to live where you want to live, you don't need to defend it.

No, not all, but definately more than half. Even on the radio, a certain station, oh hell I'll say who they are, X92.9, had their moronic dj's go on the air and spew out trash such as "nothing good comes from Winnipeg". I pretty much blasted them with a nice little letter on my take of things.

Nothing good comes from Winnipeg. Yeah, what an accurate statement considering all of the music and acting talent that has been produced by that city; and since Calgary has produced so much and is so great :rolleyes:. I've also heard other comments by other DJ's on the eastern prairies, and I must say they are less than flattering. The ego of the people of that city is just as bad as can be found in Toronto. It's the people of Calgary that really made my stay a less than thrilling one.

[IntotheWest]

Sorry it was actually Global, not CTV.

Here's the link. It's at the end...don't mind the fuzz in the middle.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=aILQl-pUuys



Thanks for the link CCF.

Okay, it always helps to hear/see the source...the way you mentioned it, I was expecting a snipp-comment direct from the Gord Gilles (anchor), but really, the story was continuing and he was saying he heard "sure, but you have to live in Regina" - where the youtube clip ends with him saying "but there is a way you can have your cake and eat it too"...I'd like to know the rest of the story.

I'm not denying that there are those - like any other city - that will make such stupid comments, but I hardly find its the norm.

Moving to Sask has been tops in the news for some time (again, today front page of the Herald), or some might read into certain comments too much...but again, I've lived here for 8 years (10 in AB) and rarely have heard such comments toward the other prairie provinces.

[wild wild west]

Winnipegers and Sask shouldn't feel the need to defend. As I tried mentioning in a previous post, I heard it all from Torontonians and Vancouverites (and trust me, some Vancouverites can look down on every other city in Canada)...just let it go. You choose to live where you want to live, you don't need to defend it.

Exactly. Wise words. There are a few guys from Vancouver I work with, and man a couple of them don't have anything at all positive to say about Calgary or Alberta in general. I let whatever they say slide, because I figure they don't hate it that much if they chose to move here, I don't really care what they think anyways, and it's not like I'm gonna change their minds.

Think about it this way guys: someone who says something derogatory about where you are from, is trying to elicit a response from you. By ignoring them, brushing the comment off or whatever, you are not giving them that pleasure. Be the bigger man.

[vid]

"Ever since I moved to city X, my quality of life has improved."
"Yes, but you have to live in city X!"

If you really think about it, it makes no sense. "Haha, you moved to another city and that city offers a higher quality of life than mine! :haha:" :shrug:

It's mind-boggling. Even TBT wouldn't stoop that low, and their news is presented by college girls!

[IntotheWest]

^Vid, that's not what the newscast or anchor said...and unfortunately, the video ends before he can finish the story. This comment has been taken out of context (from the anchors perspective).

Yes, there are those across Canada (not just Calgarians) that would make such a comment about Regina (or Winnipeg), but they also wouldn't think that "their" quality of life would be better.

[newflyer]

I did see the actual broadcast on TV .. and was shocked at the time that such a massively stupid achor could possibly be aloud to propagate his biases.

From what I remember .. and keep in mind it was many months ago .. he and the other co-anchor had a brief chuckle and then they showed a related story.

One thing I noticed was even the story itself tried to suggest that Calgarians should rush to buy a (greatly inflated) house or condo. lol..

Sadly the story ended up reflecting Calgary's hatred for other centers, especially ones which could offer a much higher quality of life... instead of simply stating the facts of what a growing number of Calgarians were/ and are considering.. moving out to enjoy a better life.

[IntotheWest]

^Newflyer, the link is on the last page...skip to the end and watch again, as I think you've completely misinterpreted the phrasing from the anchor.

Albertans moving to Sask (or out of Calgary, especially to smaller towns/cities) has been a top story for months - it was page 2/3 in the Sat Herald this weekend (printed in the Leader Post as well)...and I have yet to see an article/news report completely biased in terms of saying "yeah, but you have to live in Regina". Most recognize why people want to do it.

[Greco Roman]

^Newflyer, the link is on the last page...skip to the end and watch again, as I think you've completely misinterpreted the phrasing from the anchor.

Albertans moving to Sask (or out of Calgary, especially to smaller towns/cities) has been a top story for months - it was page 2/3 in the Sat Herald this weekend (printed in the Leader Post as well)...and I have yet to see an article/news report completely biased in terms of saying "yeah, but you have to live in Regina". Most recognize why people want to do it.

No, this isn't the best media example, but there are plenty, unfortunately. Especially on the radio front.

[J-MAN]

:previous:

I'm seeing more and more alberta plates around and a lot more luxury cars strangly ...

:shrug:

probably just because of the bomber games and stuff ... Bombers PWED HAMILTON in hamilton:banana: :banana:

[J-MAN]

BTW it was so faggy reading alberta newspapers ....


peg city is definitly coming along.... 3rd fastest growing economy in canada...

http://profile.imeem.com/iKSbZw/music/XciLaU2T/peg_city/

(quickly click the play button ..{u have to be a member to listin:(}

peg city!!!!:whip: