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Evergrey
09-15-2007, 12:31 PM
Philly seeks 10,000 men to guard streets

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070914/ap_on_re_us/philadelphia_violence

By MARYCLAIRE DALE, Associated Press Writer
Fri Sep 14, 6:24 AM ET



PHILADELPHIA - The city's embattled police chief, acknowledging that police alone cannot quell a run of deadly violence, has called on 10,000 black men to patrol the streets to reduce crime.

Sylvester Johnson, who is black, says black men have a duty to protect more vulnerable residents. He wants each volunteer to pledge to work three hours a day for at least 90 days.

"It's time for African-American men to stand up," Johnson told the Philadelphia Daily News, which first reported the story Wednesday. "We have an obligation to protect our women, our children and our elderly. We're going to put men on the street. We're going to train them in conflict resolution."

The program's backers include Dennis Muhammad, a former Nation of Islam official who has been hired by police departments in Detroit, Syracuse, N.Y., and other cities to conduct community-sensitivity training.

Philadelphia, the nation's sixth-largest city, has nearly 1.5 million residents, 44 percent of them black. It has notched 294 homicides this year. More than 80 percent of the slayings involve handguns, and most involve young black males.

Johnson plans to introduce the "Call to Action: 10,000 Men, It's a New Day" program on Oct. 21, three months before his planned retirement.

"He won't get anywhere near that number. If he gets 1,000 people, it will be great," said Heather DeRussy, who leads a local Guardian Angels chapter that has recruited just seven members in the past two years. Given its size, the group focuses on a single north Philadelphia park plagued by prostitution and drug use.

DeRussy lauded Johnson for his effort but said she fears the volunteers will find it dangerous to patrol their home turf.

"In their own neighborhoods, with the 'Don't snitch' mentality, they're kind of putting themselves in harm's way, because there are going to be people who disagree with what they're doing," DeRussy said.

The men who join Johnson's program will not carry weapons or make arrests but will instead emphasize conflict resolution, similar to the Guardian Angels' ground rules.

Police in other cities have hired Muhammad in recent years to provide sensitivity training to officers and community members, but it was not immediately clear whether any have deployed a volunteer patrol force.

Johnson, who had led the police department for seven years, appears increasingly frustrated by the daily gun violence. He and other city leaders have blamed the Legislature for not passing gun-control measures.

Mayor John F. Street, whose term is up at the beginning of 2008, has voiced support for the program, but it was not clear whether he would become involved. His office did not return a call for comment Thursday, nor did Johnson's office.

Street and Johnson have both endured withering criticism from frustrated residents and community leaders who say they should do more to halt the violence.

One gun-violence researcher said the idea of putting citizens on patrol had the potential to show children that adults care.

"A steady exposure to violence just creates this toxic environment for children and youth. As adults, we don't want them to think they have to handle it on their own," said Rose Cheney, executive director of the Firearm and Injury Center at the University of Pennsylvania.

"If, by putting people out there — not just as a town watch, but as resources who connect them to what they need from adults — that can be very promising," she said.

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http://www.10000menphilly.com/

bryson662001
09-15-2007, 02:06 PM
With a police chief like this....calling for vigilantes on the streets.....is it any wonder that things seem out of control? Thankfully this idiot and the idiot mayor who supports him will soon be out of office.

PhillyRising
09-15-2007, 02:16 PM
Too little and way too late. I'm glad Philadelphia only has to suffer with these two bozos for the next four months before a real mayor takes over...that being Michael Nutter.

dktshb
09-15-2007, 05:01 PM
America: :twoguns: What we ever do about the issue: :runaway:Which is :brickwall:

bryson662001
09-15-2007, 05:12 PM
America: :twoguns: What we ever do about the issue: :runaway:Which is :brickwall:

I love that dktshb. How refreshingly clever you are.

volguus zildrohar
09-17-2007, 03:33 AM
A couple of things:

A) The idea is more laudable than the execution could ever be. The circumstances that have created the perceived need for this action could largely solve themselves, ironically, through the actions of the people being called on to solve them now.

Sylvester Johnson has basically admitted that he is overwhelmed by the issue of violence and focuses his energy more on preventing young people from becoming trapped in this circle than stopping adults from committing more murders. He's half right. As overwhelming as the problem is and as noble as it is to save future generations he was appointed for the here and now and he's falling off on his duties in a big way. In his defense, the trepidation of the larger community to help the police when they can makes life harder for everybody.

B) This is not specifically a call for "black men" by the PPD's own admission - they're calling it a "call to all men" with a focus on black men, who are seeing their number cut down at greater speed than others.

C) I, being a black man who has gone at length on this subject more than once, am weighing the pros and cons of responding to the commissioner's call. The spirit behind it isn't to do the police's job - the spirit behind it is to get more men to do their own job, to help keep their own commmunities together even if they collectively have to do with two hands.

I'll be the first one to say it's one thing to make this request and another to essentially send unarmed men into a lion's den. The breakdown of the social structure (read: family/community) is a leading cause of this general decay but by no means the only one. The bad schools, the lack of good jobs and all those things we should, by now, know well all have a hand in this. That is an area that needs as much attention as any. The downward gaze of our youth and the downturn of the quality of life in so many neighborhoods is because there's nothing to look up to. Everything in front of you is broken glass, fast opportunities and seemingly out-of-reach goals. Equipped with the tools and armed with a new mindset that isn't focused on victimization or perceived limitation, we'll go a long way in slaying these oldest of our demons. The solution is simple - a change in attitude. It is also, oddly, the hardest to attain.

NewYorkYankee
09-17-2007, 05:28 AM
A couple of things:

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I'll be the first one to say it's one thing to make this request and another to essentially send unarmed men into a lion's den. The breakdown of the social structure (read: family/community) is a leading cause of this general decay but by no means the only one. The bad schools, the lack of good jobs and all those things we should, by now, know well all have a hand in this. That is an area that needs as much attention as any. The downward gaze of our youth and the downturn of the quality of life in so many neighborhoods is because there's nothing to look up to. Everything in front of you is broken glass, fast opportunities and seemingly out-of-reach goals. Equipped with the tools and armed with a new mindset that isn't focused on victimization or perceived limitation, we'll go a long way in slaying these oldest of our demons. The solution is simple - a change in attitude. It is also, oddly, the hardest to attain.


I want to say something about this paragraph that needs to be said:


While on one hand, I can understand why selling drugs, robbery, etc would be juicy incentives to cuase crime, but 50% of Philadelphia's homicides are caused by "Altercation". I've been though these "communites", and half the young men walking the streets have a look in their eye of a ticking time bomb. I'm not surprised this wave of violence is occuring, since there seems to be an endemic attitude of "I don't give a shit/everyone owes me/low class behavior" that cuts across Philadelphia regardless of race.


I'm sorry, this "We're all responsible" stuff is garbage. I can go to Oxford Valley Mall and see mixed race couples/children, families getting their lifef going, and young people trying to work hard and successful people, including a growing segment of African-Americans. Sorry, I'm done with the "Let's tax the shit out of the hard workers to give to the poor" bullshit. Maybe people should try to do for themselves.

bryson662001
09-17-2007, 05:40 PM
Actually I do see some merit in this idea. It was just seeing it coming from the Police Chief that was a little shocking. Also instead of just men patroling the streets it should be all neighbors becoming the eyes and ears of the police department. It then becomes Johnson's responsibility to take advantage of that opportunity and make sure the calls are responded to.

volguus zildrohar
09-19-2007, 02:39 AM
I want to say something about this paragraph that needs to be said:


While on one hand, I can understand why selling drugs, robbery, etc would be juicy incentives to cuase crime, but 50% of Philadelphia's homicides are caused by "Altercation". I've been though these "communites", and half the young men walking the streets have a look in their eye of a ticking time bomb. I'm not surprised this wave of violence is occuring, since there seems to be an endemic attitude of "I don't give a shit/everyone owes me/low class behavior" that cuts across Philadelphia regardless of race.


I'm sorry, this "We're all responsible" stuff is garbage. I can go to Oxford Valley Mall and see mixed race couples/children, families getting their lifef going, and young people trying to work hard and successful people, including a growing segment of African-Americans. Sorry, I'm done with the "Let's tax the shit out of the hard workers to give to the poor" bullshit. Maybe people should try to do for themselves.

You may have misunderstood what I meant by "we".

passdoubt
09-25-2007, 04:20 PM
Maybe people should try to do for themselves.
The bootstraps argument is so Reagan era.

NewYorkYankee
09-25-2007, 07:31 PM
The bootstraps argument is so Reagan era.

Communism/Socialism is so failed.

bry456
09-30-2007, 09:32 PM
I think bootstraps argument is quite valid and workable. I remember Bill Cosby's statements a few years back, that so inflamed and angered people, used this argument.

I don't know how well the 10,000 men will work. The people in the neighborhoods should already be doing this or working with the police to quell the crime.



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