[raggedy13]

Thanks for the great pics jlousa. Those double-height units would be amazing for parties (and the penthouse too I'm sure).

[vanman]

Is that a pool I see taking shape on the penthouse level?

[jlousa]

Yes it is. :tup:

[Yume-sama]

It would be better if it was an infinity pool that gave the illusion of swimming off the building and in to the ocean :P

So yeah, that ruins it for me. And here I was with a check for $20 or so million, ahh well. :D

[officedweller]

not the nicest view from the podium pool..


It'll be replaced in a few years with windows of gawking office workers....

[skymaster]

Shangri la from the harbor center observation deck
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3090/2555852048_d88b2e152c_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3159/2555851098_0cd411a1ca_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3082/2555848174_5644da497f_o.jpg

[phesto]

Had my first tour of the building today, too bad it was an awful day, but took some photos anyway:

View from one of the top floors
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/12/024ru4.jpg

Balcony
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5060/025qt5.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1359/040fj6.jpg

60th
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1669/028re0.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/8206/029sr5.jpg

58/61 elevator
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/4357/027za4.jpg

East view from 60th floor on a crappy day
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/5847/030lw2.jpg

Installing glass on the fins on Georgia side:

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/893/033me1.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/3609/036ab4.jpg

http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6135/037ob1.jpg

View from around the 40th floor:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/6826/041xe2.jpg

Lobby:
http://img501.imageshack.us/img501/1451/042yg4.jpg

I'll be sure to go back up on a sunny day for the view...

[subdude]

Nice, thanks!

Those guys look cold - hard to believe it's June...

[officedweller]

Nice!

[deasine]

Nice, thanks!

Those guys look cold - hard to believe it's June...

That's because it was cold today, and sigh, tomorrow isn't any better.

thanks for the pics!

[raggedy13]

Great pics phesto, thanks.

Here are a couple pics from Crab Park I took on Saturday:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2212/2559825593_71cb569164_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3273/2560649430_99136da71d_b.jpg

[danby]

This is looking very niceeeeeeeeeee amazing views.. thats a wicked pool!

The weather has been horrible most of this spring here!

[excel]

nice pics, thanks.

[giallo]

I rarely see skyline pictures from Crab Park. Thanks, Raggedy.

[Canadian Mind]

It'll be replaced in a few years with windows of gawking office workers....

whatcha mean?

[LeftCoaster]

New Bentall office building going up right across the street replacing the parkade currently seen in that picture.

[Canadian Mind]

nice, hopefully they will take advantage of downtowns allowance in increased density, meaning they take up the whole lot.

[jlousa]

Across the street is 745 thrulow st, that parkade will be a 300' office tower managed by Bentall in the not very distant future.

see Leftcoaster beat me to it, again.

And no do not expect any increase in height at it is in a viewcone.

[LeftCoaster]

Like Jlousa said it will not be too high (91m), but it will be girthy with around 17,500sf floor plates.

[phesto]

An update on the tower crane: I was told it'll likely be removed next month. It will be dismantled by a derrick crane which will lower it down. Then a smaller derrick crane will be brought up to hoist the first derrick crane down. That third derrick crane is small enough that it will be dismantled and taken down the elevator. No helicopters required.;)

[jlousa]

That's correct, it'll come down July12+13 :tup:
I can't beleive anyone would be stupid enough to think it would come down via helicopter. :koko:

[alta-bc]

I can't beleive anyone would be stupid enough to think it would come down via helicopter. :koko:

Well, I believed it. Helicopters are used extensively in the construction industry, like moving HVACs to roof tops, moving materials, transmission tower construction, cell phone towers etc, etc. I believe a helicopter was used to mount the "W" sign on the old Woodwards building. The CN Tower was partially built by helicopter. There are many more instances.
So it not so "unbelievably stupid" to think that they may have used a helicopter.

[sacrifice333]

Well, I believed it. Helicopters are used extensively in the construction industry, like moving HVACs to roof tops, moving materials, transmission tower construction, cell phone towers etc, etc. I believe a helicopter was used to mount the "W" sign on the old Woodwards building. The CN Tower was partially built by helicopter. There are many more instances.
So it not so "unbelievably stupid" to think that they may have used a helicopter.

I think the difference is putting things on TOP vs. taking things from the side of a building.

If you're placing something on top and you have a gust of wind... so what... you just wait a minute until it calms down... from the side... uh oh. There goes the building facade.

[jlousa]

Because of the source of that information. :tup:

[towerguy3]

I'll chat with some guys in orange and yellow vests and let you know the latest on the helicopter.

What I have heard is that the helicopter idea has been turned down due to insurance costs.

So instead they will be using a Hydrogen filled Blimp.

[alta-bc]

http://www.francisalee.com/projects/pa_lift/Lg/05.jpg

http://www.francisalee.com/projects/pa_lift/Lg/03.jpg

http://www.francisalee.com/projects/pa_lift/Lg/06.jpg


More at http://www.francisalee.com/projects1.html

So it IS possible.

[mr.x]

I didn't think it was that ridiculous either that the crane atop Shangri-la would be moved off by helicopter.....but then again, where are his sources?

[towerguy3]

Seriously, there's no way a series of cranes can dismantle an overhead crane and lower it down piece by piece without having the last piece or the last crane sitting up there waiting to be taken down with the help of a helicopter.

At some point, there will be one large last piece left up there with no other crane to lower it down. That last crane will need another crane to lift it down. You have to get the last piece off somehow. Think about it.

[jlousa]

I'm sure if you use google you'll be able to find countless videos of cranes being dismantled w/o helicopters. As a bonus you'll probably see lots of people in orange vests.

[phesto]

Seriously, there's no way a series of cranes can dismantle an overhead crane and lower it down piece by piece without having the last piece or the last crane sitting up there waiting to be taken down with the help of a helicopter.

At some point, there will be one large last piece left up there with no other crane to lower it down. That last crane will need another crane to lift it down. You have to get the last piece off somehow. Think about it.

Seriously, what is wrong with you?:koko:

[Canadian Mind]

aren't they just using a ground based crane to get the rest down?

I swear to god i saw a diagram put up awhile back showing how it would be done.

[towerguy3]

I asked my Uncle who owns a Crane company and he says the highest a ground based crane can reach is 450 feet.

[LeftCoaster]

^ Pay attention idiot

An update on the tower crane: I was told it'll likely be removed next month. It will be dismantled by a derrick crane which will lower it down. Then a smaller derrick crane will be brought up to hoist the first derrick crane down. That third derrick crane is small enough that it will be dismantled and taken down the elevator. No helicopters required.;)

[Yume-sama]

Using a helicopter would be easier and a lot cooler looking :P Except of course when a big wind comes up and the crane goes through the building and drops on the street. Watch out...

[officedweller]

I asked my Uncle who owns a Crane company and he says the highest a ground based crane can reach is 450 feet.

The temporary derrick crane is erected on top of the tower and is used to lower the pieces of the construction crane from the top of the tower. This was done for One Wall Centre.

[Built Form]

^ Pay attention idiot

Could we be more civil here on this forum?
I don't think name calling is appropriate or allowed under the rules.
Plus towerguy3 is getting too much abuse on this site.
If you don't agree with him and you can't be polite don't make a reply at all.

[hollywoodnorth]

Plus towerguy3 is getting too much abuse on this site.


I don't think nearly enough IMO :cheers:

[LeftCoaster]

I'm through being civil to TG3, I've tried hard enough for too long. If he is too lazy/stupid to read back several posts in a thread he has been active in since day one then he certainly doesn't deserve it.

Respect is be earned, not doled out with little regard. If TG3 ever settles down and starts making some meaningful contributions to this forum then I will treat him with some civility.

[eduardo88]

Could we be more civil here on this forum?
I don't think name calling is appropriate or allowed under the rules.
Plus towerguy3 is getting too much abuse on this site.
If you don't agree with him and you can't be polite don't make a reply at all.

I don't think you understand how annoying, irritating and just plain stupid he gets at times...

[excel]

^exactly, its a brutal session.

[98fb]

^ Pay attention idiot

Dude relax

[vanman]

I don't think you understand how annoying, irritating and just plain stupid he gets at times...

No doubt! There are entire threads that I avoid (bc place renovations thread) cause of him.

[Volksboi]

I dont particularly like how people are always quick to attack, it does not make this a very welcoming forum. I understand the "attackers" frustraction, however I would suggest just ignoring his post and not respond to them. If you respond to them, it just fuels the fire. If you dont say a thing, it is no longer fun to disrupt the forum. Sometimes we just need to be the bigger person, and I think this is all of your time.

[phesto]

I'm through being civil to TG3, I've tried hard enough for too long. If he is too lazy/stupid to read back several posts in a thread he has been active in since day one then he certainly doesn't deserve it.

Respect is be earned, not doled out with little regard. If TG3 ever settles down and starts making some meaningful contributions to this forum then I will treat him with some civility.

Amen to that! I can't tell whether it is out of laziness or ignorance (or both), but he has continually posted nonsense that has him on the verge of troll status.

I dont particularly like how people are always quick to attack, it does not make this a very welcoming forum. I understand the "attackers" frustraction, however I would suggest just ignoring his post and not respond to them. If you respond to them, it just fuels the fire. If you dont say a thing, it is no longer fun to disrupt the forum. Sometimes we just need to be the bigger person, and I think this is all of your time.

If I felt that he was making a sincere attempt to contribute to the discussion, even just by asking questions, I would overlook some of it. The fact that he has been permitted to carry on in this manner has undermined the legitimate information being posted here. I've been here longer than most, and I've never seen someone allowed to behave in such an immature manner without warning.

[towerguy3]

Nonsense? Who was the one that scooped details about the Retractable roof months ago?

[LeftCoaster]

not you.

[quobobo]

Amen to that! I can't tell whether it is out of laziness or ignorance (or both), but he has continually posted nonsense that has him on the verge of troll status.

On the verge? Way past that.

I like TG3 though, he's generally entertaining (especially when he provokes reactions from people who haven't figured out his MO). I'll take a thousand TG3s over one miketoronto.

[flight_from_kamakura]

i like tg3 too. the stuff he says is totally harmless, and annoying (and humorous) as his posts may be, he's not doing anyone any harm, is he?

anyway, as for shangri-la, is the hotel still set to open in january 2009? i heard that it may be moved up a month or two (?!).

[Yume-sama]

They are still, according to the website, planning for "early 2009". No reservations are being accepted yet but they have a nifty mockup of the rooms :P

http://www.shangri-la.com/uploadedImages/property/Vancouver/rooms_suites/slv_rs.jpg

"The guestrooms, averaging 550 square feet (approximately 55 square meters), will be among the largest in Canada. The guestrooms will incorporate three components to deliver a suite-type concept: oversized bathrooms, bedrooms, and living/working areas. In addition, the full array of Shangri-La services and facilities include 24-hour room service, same day laundry and valet service, 40”flat panel LCD television in living room with DVD player plus ipod/MP3 connections, LCD TV in bathroom and wired and wireless Internet service. All rooms will have sensurround AV system and connectivity."

[phesto]

i like tg3 too. the stuff he says is totally harmless, and annoying (and humorous) as his posts may be, he's not doing anyone any harm, is he?

anyway, as for shangri-la, is the hotel still set to open in january 2009? i heard that it may be moved up a month or two (?!).

Whatever. If the makeup of the forum has changed enough that the majority find him entertaining, then so be it, but what he has posted in this thread and others is not just misinformation, but complete bull$#!^ that he makes up. If it turns people off from visiting and contributing valuable info, then is it really harmless ?

[mr.x]

If I felt that he was making a sincere attempt to contribute to the discussion, even just by asking questions, I would overlook some of it. The fact that he has been permitted to carry on in this manner has undermined the legitimate information being posted here. I've been here longer than most, and I've never seen someone allowed to behave in such an immature manner without warning.

You do realize that he was banned from the forum for nearly 3 months?



As for being harmless, it is harmless. It affects the discussion of this forum, and it ruins the credibility of everything posted in it.

[jlousa]

I know I've stopped posting regularly in this thread and others due to the annoyance. I can assure you there are a few other memebers who would've been a great asset that have stopped visiting completely due to posters like him.

[mr.x]

....maybe he should've stay banned here, my mistake?:shrug:

And it's not just here, he's ruining discussions at Skyscrapercity and GamesBids too.

[Cypherus]

1.) This is getting off topic
2.) Aren't you guys meeting up for an SSP Vancouver forum meeting which includes TG3? Talk about an awkward situation for TG3.
3.) Some of the board members are not friendly (almost arrogant) and this had led me to be more of a lurker on this particular forum.

[towerguy3]

let's shift over to some breaking news:

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=151228&page=8

[SFUVancouver]

June 12th

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3850/shangrilafromlookout2jurc3.jpg
http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) My photo, taken June 12th, 2008.

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6820/shangrilafromlookout1jupg4.jpg
http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) My photo, taken June 12th, 2008.

[northwest2k]

Should of been an office building

[vanman]

June 12th

http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/3850/shangrilafromlookout2jurc3.jpg
http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) My photo, taken June 12th, 2008.

http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/6820/shangrilafromlookout1jupg4.jpg
http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) My photo, taken June 12th, 2008.

Great pictures as always sfu. She's almost done. Can't wait to see what the night lighting will look like on the finished product.

[AlexYVR]

Pretty exciting to see the lights creeping up the sides, especially from Lion's Gate at night. . .

[raggedy13]

Once again, great pics SFU.

I also can't wait to see these lighting effects in action.

[raggedy13]

Thought I might as well start a new page to post these...

Some pics I took earlier today of the base (mostly):

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3156/2574866424_0dd162f179_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3131/2574043447_a3831bc39c_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3076/2574043689_567532e623_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3092/2574867764_bc7e75038a_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3259/2574868042_711f446ea1_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3123/2574044773_60e6b6dbcb_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/2574868888_ed0026398b_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2574045527_40e3de3d68_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/2574051151_0798faa13d_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3105/2574869470_5cf3d700e9_b.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/2574046565_ffae94e8f1_b.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3260/2574871550_4063212f62_b.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3112/2574872376_c6db79f41a_b.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3058/2574882710_5b792e1922_b.jpg

[excel]

great updates!

[Hourglass]

Great photos, raggedy.

Looking at some of the panoramas posted by SFUVancouver, I'm struck again by the large number of low- and medium-rise buildings downtown.

Even with the viewcones, there seems to be an awful lot of room available to build up -- if some of the older stock of office buildings were torn down.

[nathan6969]

Great photos, raggedy.

Looking at some of the panoramas posted by SFUVancouver, I'm struck again by the large number of low- and medium-rise buildings downtown.

Even with the viewcones, there seems to be an awful lot of room available to build up -- if some of the older stock of office buildings were torn down.

Although if we don't have the lease rates to cover building office towers on empty sites, imagine the cost of taking down 15 storey buildings first.

[flight_from_kamakura]

what an awesome update! thanks raggedy

[phesto]

Thanks for the photos Raggedy.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/2574051151_0798faa13d_b.jpg

The bamboo that is going to planted on these slopes is going to awesome.

[towerguy3]

With all the publicity over orange vests they've now gone to yellow vests.

I spotted a Shangri-La squad car on Alberni today. My goodness, they have their own cars. The cars are black with small lettering Shangri-La on the driver door.

They have unveiled a new banner on the Thurlow side indicating opening date is January.

[Yume-sama]

I wonder if they'll manage to open up the hotel for the New Years Eve. Then they can have a big show and shoot fireworks off the roof!! :P

[mr.x]

I wonder if they'll manage to open up the hotel for the New Years Eve. Then they can have a big show and shoot fireworks off the roof!! :P

That would be pretty cool....like how there were fireworks shooting off at Brockton Point when that new cruise ship was christianized in the city.....as long as nothing goes wrong, and the fireworks don't blow up the multi-million dollar penthouse. :p j/k

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/176/369768709_ac92947aa1_o.jpg

[Cypherus]

The rooftop glass looks great. The solar panels on the glazing look great. The podium looks great. An all around great building.

[towerguy3]

According to these new banners they've hung there's still some Estates available at $ 4.85 million each and opening is January 2009

http://http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/2579710068_9ddefafca0.jpg

Was hoping to get more of a sunlight reflective effect off this shot but I guess we'll wait till the windows are washed down

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3100/2578881655_a9469fab43.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/2579710068_9ddefafca0.jpg

[SFUVancouver]

http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2559/shangrilafromstanleyparyh6.jpg
http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) Taken by SFUVancouver, June 15th, 2008.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/2530/shangrilafromstanleyparyb6.jpg
http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) Taken by SFUVancouver, June 15th, 2008.

http://img78.imageshack.us/img78/8721/shangrilafromstanleyparwv4.jpg
http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) Taken by SFUVancouver, June 15th, 2008.

[Cypherus]

Great pics SFU. Vancouver will be showing off its downtown core in 2010 with this grand piece of architecture.

[officedweller]

Thanks for the pis - looks like the scaffolding is down within the lowest of the three double height suites (the box that pokes out).
Any reason why the lowest one looks to have more reflective glass than the two above? I guess it ould be a coating applied to the inside of the glass?

[LeftCoaster]

That would be pretty cool....like how there were fireworks shooting off at Brockton Point when that new cruise ship was christianized in the city.....

LOL I think you mean christened... Its not a religious conversion!

[mr.x]

LOL I think you mean christened... Its not a religious conversion!

No, that's what I meant. :p The fountain/waterfall place will be filled with holy water, and it'll be used for baptizing the rich and famous.

[vancty69]

More tall buildings..............:cheers:

[northwest2k]

Is it just me or does it already look tacky and out dated

[vanman]

^:haha:
It's just you.

[dreambrother808]

Is it just me or does it already look tacky and out dated

you have a point. the design was very, very safe.

[eduardo88]

Is it just me or does it already look tacky and out dated

It's not anything iconic, but it's a beautiful clean design and will look good for years to come.

[towerguy3]

How much will the monthly strata / maintenance fees likely to be for the owners?

$ 2000 / month? Look at it this way. What if the Hotel starts doing poorly financially and starts losing money? Strata fees may go up.

With a mixed Hotel / Condo project like this, the owners very much help to subsidize the Hotel if the Hotel does not perform well financially.

The hotel is not entirely subsidized by the owners, but if Shangri-La Hotel doesn't do well financially, I can't see the monthly strata fees for the owners necessarily going down.

[Yume-sama]

In the unlikely event the hotel goes under, they can sell it and re-model the hotel floors and become the nicest Holiday Inn in the World :P

As for strata fees, I have heard they are going to be in the region of 35 - 40 cents per square foot.

[entheosfog]

From Hastings & Naniamo:

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc300/whereismymind2007/DSCF7078.jpg?t=1213686032

[mr.x]

Is it just me or does it already look tacky and out dated

It's always you.:haha:

[eduardo88]

How much will the monthly strata / maintenance fees likely to be for the owners?

$ 2000 / month? Look at it this way. What if the Hotel starts doing poorly financially and starts losing money? Strata fees may go up.

With a mixed Hotel / Condo project like this, the owners very much help to subsidize the Hotel if the Hotel does not perform well financially.

The hotel is not entirely subsidized by the owners, but if Shangri-La Hotel doesn't do well financially, I can't see the monthly strata fees for the owners necessarily going down.

I don't think thats something anyone has to be worried about. Shangri-La is a large company and any risk is offset by offset by the fact that it performs extremely well in other markets, therefore these earnings would subsidize the hotel in the case that it does fair poorly. That is very unlikely to happen anyway.

[Yume-sama]

I don't think thats something anyone has to be worried about. Shangri-La is a large company and any risk is offset by offset by the fact that it performs extremely well in other markets, therefore these earnings would subsidize the hotel in the case that it does fair poorly. That is very unlikely to happen anyway.

Yeah. If anything more people will COME to Vancouver because there is a Shangri-La. There are a lot of brand loyalists, especially in Asia, who will go wherever their favorite hotel chain goes. Same goes for Ritz Carlton, people will come to the city just to stay in the Ritz Carlton. So both of these buildings bode well for the future of Vancouver tourism... especially by the type who are going to spend a lot of money :P

[jo67sh]

is the pool of the 4th or 5th floor an outdoor pool or indoor pool?

[Yume-sama]

Outdoor heated pool to be open year round. I'd assume they would put a canopy of some sort over it in the rainy seasons...

[LeftCoaster]

Why? you're just going to get wet anyway!

[Yume-sama]

Why? you're just going to get wet anyway!

:P Nobody wants to get wet by *that* type of water! Least of all the people staying at the Shangri-La ;)

[jlousa]

There won't be a canopy, just like there isn't at Pan Pacific or the Fairmont waterfront pools.
When it's raining people just don't use the pools. Pretty amazing concept.

[Yume-sama]

Well, that's silly. I guess they thought it'd be tacky to install one of those automatic roll-out ones you see on TV that can roll out of your trailer...

[officedweller]

From the water taken by me last Friday:

http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/5417/p6130711vq2.jpg

[skymaster]

Well, that's silly. I guess they thought it'd be tacky to install one of those automatic roll-out ones you see on TV that can roll out of your trailer...

Don"t forget that they have an indoor pool as well. By the way whats going to be built by that massive, what looks like to be 80 foot pit beside the orpheum theature?

[LeftCoaster]

Don"t forget that they have an indoor pool as well. By the way whats going to be built by that massive, what looks like to be 80 foot pit beside the orpheum theature?

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=138045

[Yume-sama]

Yeah they really need to put some signage up on the Capitol site. It's quite a nice building, really. Why no love from the marketers... other than the fact it sold out in the first few weeks. :P

[skymaster]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3077/2594922684_1880b1a37c_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3129/2591511021_d3121cde57_b.jpg

[excel]

crazy pics.

[Cypherus]

What a terrific skyline.