[SpongeG]

120.0

[Nicko999]

Stations are 114.4

[HAMRetrofit]

We need to build 9-15 more refineries in Sarnia to quickly solve this problem in Southern Ontario. Soon as we let Alberta do some refining this is the thanks we get.

[vid]

We need to build 9-15 more refineries in Sarnia to quickly solve this problem in Southern Ontario. Soon as we let Alberta do some refining this is the thanks we get.

Why waste money on refineries? Oil is going to run out soon. We should build nuclear plants and drive electric cars instead. ;)

It is about 120/L here. The highest prices in Ontario are once again located in the Northwest. The part of Ontario located closest to the refineries in Alberta.

[HAMRetrofit]

The lowest prices are where it is refined. This the most value added part of the supply process. This is in the Golden Horseshoe and Sarnia.

[401_King]

ya southern ontario has a vast array of pipelines (sun cdn) and terminals coming from sarnia. the supply terminals (esso shell sunoco) in North York are by far the largest in canada and they supply all of the GTA.

[feepa]

We need to build 9-15 more refineries in Sarnia to quickly solve this problem in Southern Ontario. Soon as we let Alberta do some refining this is the thanks we get.

maybe you should start taking transit

[HAMRetrofit]

I take the TTC subway everyday. Thanks for the tips.

[LordMandeep]

is it true, I was watching the CBC last night and I heard that Eastern Ontario still gets its oil from overseas???

Why does it not get it here.

I do not mean at a cheap price or anything. However why does Canada still import oil???

[HAMRetrofit]

Because Alberta has peaked in conventional oil production and tar sands are still expensive as hell to convert into transportation fuel. The Americans are the ones who have the refining capacity to make them affordable.

[401_King]

I do not mean at a cheap price or anything. However why does Canada still import oil???

hmm i dunno about overseas, but lots come from the US. for sarnia, it comes from Chicago

[vid]

I do not mean at a cheap price or anything. However why does Canada still import oil???

We're required by NAFTA to export a certain amount of oil to the US. As a result, we cannot produce enough oil to supply ourselves entirely and maintain that quota, resulting in the need to import.

[LordMandeep]

well that is rather stupid.

That a country that is now has the 2nd or thirds largest oil supply, still gets its oil from a very risky unstable region.

I think Canada should get its own oil, just so that it has a stable supply. I am not saying we be like Saudi Arabia and have 5cent gas, but we should supply our selves.

[401_King]

we need to trade man there are many benefits. plus its regional, cause canada is so huge right and for us, Sarnia gets its oil from chicago cause the pipelines are there in a central chicago market. it all runs through chicago for us

[e909]

well that is rather stupid.

That a country that is now has the 2nd or thirds largest oil supply, still gets its oil from a very risky unstable region.

I think Canada should get its own oil, just so that it has a stable supply. I am not saying we be like Saudi Arabia and have 5cent gas, but we should supply our selves.
Iran imports virtually all of its gasoline.

How's that for irony?

On a related note, in Dawson Creek BC this week I paid 1.30/liter to fill up.

[Nicko999]

Some stations are 116.4 here.

[mmmatt]

In a perfect world Canada would be completely self sufficent, then gas would be 5c a liter...as we have more than enough to supply ourselves...but besides minerals, grain and oil and a few other things we rely on other countries for imports...and we obviously need to return the favor...keep up alliances and stuff too...Im no economics major, but I guess it makes sence to an extent...

what makes no sence is gas being 1.15/lt while gas companies say "it costs so much to make it...and theres storms and junk, c'monnnnn"...meanwhile Exxon becomes the most profitable company IN THE WORLD and oil revanues skyrocket to insane ammounts...oh the poor poor oil companies...course the government wont do anything about it, Bush et al were already paid huge sums (for "campaign costs") so they wont be doing shit thats for sure.

point being we, the consumer are royaly F@*%ED!

[401_King]

^ refineries are losing money if they dont raise the gas prices since they need to buy oil to refine into products. the profit margin is called a crack spread, and with oil record high minus the last two trading days....well you can do the math.

[Ayreonaut]

115.9 here in Yorkton (yes, not in Moosomin anymore).

[vid]

The problem with the refineries is 1: New ones cannot be built, at least in the United States, because they "pollute to much". (How's that for irony?) 2: They're all in very poor condition. While some are top of the line, many refineries are dealing with equipment from the 1970s, or earlier.

What the oil companies need to do is invest some of their profits in renovating and upgrading their refineries. The problem there is, demand is so high, they can't afford to close any refineries to fix them up! It's a never ending circle.

[401_King]

most refineries have a winter turnaround when demand is low

[vid]

Yes but it isn't a complete overhaul, is it?

[401_King]

its plant section by plant section. so over a few years it all gets maintained while still supplying gas. a complete overhaul would be an engineering nightmare from hell

[Nicko999]

Some stations were 112.4 today!

[mersar]

Spotted a few throughout Calgary tonight at 105 and 106, still 108 out in Cochrane though.

Scary thing is diesel, pushing 122 in some places around Calgary now.

[SpongeG]

its anywhere from 116.9 to 120.5

mostly 120.5 today

even with the 3.5 cent discount its too much

[HAMRetrofit]

104.6 in Hamilton today.

104 in Toronto South today.

[SpongeG]

121.7 today

[vid]

This is neat (http://ontariogasprices.com/price_by_county.aspx?c=can). Surprisingly low in the Rainy River region.

[Nicko999]

Up to 121.4 this morning!!!
Now it's 119.4

[SpongeG]

122.2 now

[Nicko999]

down to 117.4 today!!!

[Nicko999]

was 113.4 today!!!

[mersar]

115.9 in Cochrane, 118.9 at the the station north of town (at the RV storage place)

[SpongeG]

119.9 this evening

[Nicko999]

wow!!! 123.4 this morning and 119.4 this afternoon:koko:

[Nicko999]

some stations are 118.4!

[SpongeG]

122.7

[Nicko999]

117.4

[vid]

It was 127.9 at a few places last night. It's gone down to 127.4 this morning, though. :rolleyes:

[Nicko999]

Was 126.4 this morning. Now it's down to 123.4

[mersar]

All but one station in Cochrane were still at 115.9 this afternoon, the one other station was at 110.4 though.

[You Need A Thneed]

posted @ 118.9 in NE Calgary, which means that the gas price is 115.4.

[Nicko999]

134.4 this afternoon

[rrskylar]

My trip west to Vancouver this summer now includes travel west and back east through the US!:(

[mersar]

Spotted one station in NW Calgary at 127.4, several others at 125.9

[youngregina]

127.9 here in regina

[tayser]

$1.56 in Melbourne, stop whinging you big girl's blouses.

(love you long time :)).

[LordMandeep]

$1.21, if it goes at this rate my commuter train will have people sitting on the top

[wild wild west]

I paid 116.9 this morning

[Xelebes]

1.249/Litre in Edmonton as of yesterday.

[vid]

Averaging 131c per litre here. Consistently, Thunder Bay and Cochrane districts have the highest gas prices in Ontario.

[SpongeG]

it was 130.4 in the morning

by the evening i saw three prices 129.5, 125.4 and 127.4

[Shodan]

Loonie-a-litre lost
Analyst says gasoline will never be below a dollar again

By NICKI THOMAS, SUN MEDIA - April 25, 2008

With the price of oil soaring to record heights, the days when gasoline cost less than a loonie a litre are gone - and they're never coming back.

"I don't think we'll see (gas) below a dollar a litre again in our lifetime," said Peter Linder, vice-president of investments for DeltaOne Capital Inc. in Calgary.

The price of gas in Edmonton is up six cents from last week, reaching $1.24 at several stations yesterday.

Local prices are on par with the national average, which is expected to top $1.40 a litre this summer, according to a forecast from CIBC World Markets.

But that estimate is conservative compared to Linder's predictions, which puts gas at $1.50 by the end of May and $1.80 by summer.

Oil and mineral prices posted new highs in March, and crude oil has continued booming to a record of $119.90 US per barrel Tuesday on the New York Mercantile Exchange. By yesterday, the price had dropped down to $116.06 US.


TIGHTER SUPPLIES

CIBC's report also predicts that tighter supplies will drive crude oil over $150 US a barrel by 2010 and to $225 US a barrel in four years, putting the price of gas at $2.25.

"We'll have to adjust our driving habits and recognize that we're going to have to spend more of our income on energy. It's just a fact of life," Linder said.

That sentiment is echoed by Christopher Atkinson, spokesman for Co-op Taxi, who said cab drivers are doing their best to cope with the ever-increasing price of gas.

"It's difficult. They work hard. But what can you do? It's a fact of life and everybody understands that," he said.

An increase in cab fares legislated by the city last month has eased the pressure somewhat, Atkinson said.

Since March 3, a cab ride costs 20 cents every 135 metres, rather than every 150 metres, plus an initial fixed rate of $3.60.

"The idea was that over the period of a day, if you work hard, you should make enough to offset the price of gas, which means $15 to $20, on a good day, maybe $25," he said.

WAYS TO CUT CONSUMPTION

Jason Toews, co-founder of Gasbuddy.com, a website that tracks pump prices in the United States and Canada, said drivers can cut their fuel consumption by 30% to 40% just by tweaking the way they drive.

"Try to avoid high speeds. Try to drive at a smooth, constant pace by using cruise control," he said, adding that ditching a gas-guzzling SUV for a hybrid is another good way to go, since you can get as much as triple the fuel economy.

"We just need to use less gasoline. We need to start carpooling, start biking to work or taking public transportation. That's what got us in the bind in the first place is that we're using too much gasoline."

http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/Edmonton/2008/04/25/pf-5381691.html

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Maybe in a few years we'll all end up just like in Road Warrior, blazing down the Trans Canada HWY in our souped-up post apocalyptic machines fighting over the "precious juice," with Prime Minister Humongous (the Ayatollah of Rock-and-Rolla) lording over the prairie wastelands:

http://www.youloveben.com/Thumbnails/Humongous.png
www.youloveben.com

http://www.hollywood-diecast.com/road%20warrior%20pic.jpg
www.hollywood-diecast.com

http://www.scottsimmons.tv/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/11/hdrp_0602_best_car_movies_12_z+road_warrior.jpg
www.scottsimmons.tv

[Nicko999]

132.4 today

[ReginaGuy]

Maybe in a few years we'll all end up just like in Road Warrior, blazing down the Trans Canada HWY in our souped-up post apocalyptic machines fighting over the "precious juice," with Prime Minister Humongous (the Ayatollah of Rock-and-Rolla) lording over the prairie wastelands

:haha: that seems like the most plausible scenario

[Coldrsx]

and to think 12 yrs ago when i got my license it was 39.9

[Canasian]

$1.34 here in St. John's- but i'm lucky. I probally drive 10 kms a day!

[boden]

1.18.9 today in Bellevegas....but it was a beautiful day...we went swimming, so I could care less.

[mersar]

Most stations in Cochrane at 123.9, though as of last night one station was still at 118.9 reportedly.

Most of Calgary seems to be at 125.9

[SpongeG]

i don't think its been below 120.0 for over a week now

[LeftCoaster]

It was $1.37 when I gassed up last night. Highest I've seen it in 2008.

[harls]

I have yet to see it beat $1.40 here.. that's the highest I've ever seen at a pump.. back in N. Ontario just after Hurricane Katrina.

I'm sure we'll beat that price this summer.

[Mordack]

Just filled up for $1.14 here.

[Nicko999]

129.4

under 130 for the first time this week

[mersar]

I'm about to go fill up, hopefully the 118 price thats on gasbuddy for the one station just off my normal route home is correct.

[youngregina]

127.9 still here in regina.

[francely57]

I thought this thread would be really active right now.

Isn't it like 139+, in Montreal at least?

[vid]

135 or so here. The local cab alliance wants to raise prices and work in a formula to make it increase when gas prices go up. The city itself is also feeling a crunch with gas prices, they have to dip into reserve funds every month to run their fleet.

[LordMandeep]

The recent ideas to cut gas taxes by 5 cents is so stupid, anyone with half a mind should be able to figure out how stupid it is. First of all, what is 5 cents when gas costs $1.25-1.40? Furthermore, the price of gas fluctuates so much that a savings of 5 cents would be useless in a matter of days. Also, what stops gas companies from making up the difference. I know many of us hate and dislike government and hate giving taxes. Tell me though; would you rather want five more cents of your own money going to some Oil company executive or to the government?

[Laurent]

^ I agree with you 100%!!! Just that is a good enough argument to maintain (even raise?) gov't taxes on gas.

I'd even go further and say that high gas prices, in of themselves (whether strictly market or govt' driven), are probably a good thing. I'm not clairvoyant, so I may be wrong, but I just get that strong feeling.

Here are just a few reasons:

Good for our Economy:
- Cost of importing (by air & sea) is skyrocketing, especially for imports from Asia. Of course, these price increases in the short and medium term won't eliminate the enormous total cost advantage that asian manufacturers have over N-American ones. However, it's just a question of time (maybe 20 years) before sky high gas prices (along with a slow but sure increase in Asian salaries) will knock out (or almost) Asian manufacturing cost advantage. Hence, high gas prices means more manufacturing jobs here (along with all jobs that often (but don't necessarily) hover around manufacturing, such as design, finance, engineering, etc.), rather than outsourced overseas. My job is actually to manage clothing imports from Asia in my company. And believe me, the cost of freight is affecting a hell of a lot of decisions. And the change is far from being over.

- While high oil & gas costs can hurt an economy because the economy is somewhat built on oil & gas on so many levels, it might end up hurting other economies more than ours. Why? Because although we're a huge gas consumer (one of the biggest consumers per capita in the world), we're also by far one of the biggest oil exporters.


Good for our Health & Environment:
- everyone knows that high gas prices are great for the environment 'cause they encourage less gas consumption. More importantly, in my mind, reduced consumption directly improves our health (rather than 'just' the health of our planet). Like most people on this forum, I imagine, I live in a very urban area (centre of MTL island) and I'd love breathe cleaner and just better smelling air. Car pollution has only been part of human lives for a short stint in human history, and I'm looking forward to the day (and I believe I'll see it) when car pollution and disgusting smog will be a thing of the past. And although we can't put a $ amount on it, I imagine that our health care system would save huge sums of money from dealing with people's respiratory problems.

Good for Society:
The gradual yet marked decline in solo transportation will of course coincide with the gradual and marked increase in public transportation. We often look at this strictly in the urban perspective (subway, bus, commuter train), which is great (I'd love to have more subway lines in Montreal and be able to go to work using only one line (which would take like 15 minutes) rather than 2 lines & a bus (which takes 45 minutes) or my car (30 minutes)). In subways we can read, talk to hot girls we don't know, and even easily scratch our asses - all things we can't do easily when we're driving. But what we rarely ever talk about is inter-city public transit, like trains. Higher gas prices means that more and more people will be taking the train to go from MTL to TO or Calgary to Edmonton, etc. Traveling by train has so many advantages: in a train you could easily move around (even change seats when there are free ones), read, sleep, go to a bar or restaurant (if there is one in the train), often it's a hell of a lot faster than by car (sometimes even faster than by plane since trains go from downtown to downtown), and we can often meet people in trains. When I traveled around Europe by train with a friend of mine in my early 20s (about 5 years ago), we met tons of people on the train, people with whom we later traveled and partied and what not. Therefore, I think that more trains and less cars on long haul trips will mean more socializing between all kinds of people, especially between people of different cities, regions, countries, etc., and that's awesome (I'd say it's even (almost) priceless).


BTW, if anyone thinks that I'm all gung ho about high gas prices 'cause I'm some kind of bike riding hippie (not that there's anything wrong with that), that's the opposite of the truth 'cause the only method of transportation i currently use is my car, and it happens to be a car that consumes quite a bit of gas (volvo s70). I just think that our wealth (non-financial, of course) would be much more maximized if we incurred more costs in our gas consumption than if we incured less costs in our gas consumption.

In the final analysis, I might be wrong though. But with the quick and dirty general analysis I made, this is very strong impression I get.

[LordMandeep]

Well, I don't like the high gas prices, but just acting like a dumb oaf and saying things "I drive a SUV to work downtown and the price is to high" is really stupid.



I drive a V6 Toyota Camry and well I like the added power of a V6, it really eats a lot of fuel compared to a V4. So, I sort of blame my self for my own stupid consumer choice.

[Rathgrith]

The few times when I do drive in Ottawa I always use this website: http://ottawagasprices.com/

[wild wild west]

Tell me though; would you rather want five more cents of your own money going to some Oil company executive or to the government?

Neither!

I do agree with you in principle though, that a minor cut to gas taxes isn't going to make much of a difference to consumers. Would serve more as a PR stunt than anything.

[canlefty]

Well, I don't like the high gas prices, but just acting like a dumb oaf and saying things "I drive a SUV to work downtown and the price is to high" is really stupid.



I drive a V6 Toyota Camry and well I like the added power of a V6, it really eats a lot of fuel compared to a V4. So, I sort of blame my self for my own stupid consumer choice.

...That would be an Inline 4 (I4).... :P :banana: :banana: :banana:

[Lysander]

Great post Laurent. I share your views. Never thought about the higher import/export costs.
Maybe grocery stores will start buying more homegrown products also (even in my hometown city in Lac-St-Jean, you rarely have any "bleuet du Lac-St-Jean" for sale at Metro or Provigo which is a shame).

[harls]

Montreal's gas prices are whacked. Go outside of the city and you save close to 10 cents a litre. It's almost worth the trip...not quite but almost!

[MalcolmTucker]

^ I agree with you 100%!!! Just that is a good enough argument to maintain (even raise?) gov't taxes on gas.

I'd even go further and say that high gas prices, in of themselves (whether strictly market or govt' driven), are probably a good thing. I'm not clairvoyant, so I may be wrong, but I just get that strong feeling.

Here are just a few reasons:

Good for our Economy:
- Cost of importing (by air & sea) is skyrocketing, especially for imports from Asia. Of course, these price increases in the short and medium term won't eliminate the enormous total cost advantage that asian manufacturers have over N-American ones. However, it's just a question of time (maybe 20 years) before sky high gas prices (along with a slow but sure increase in Asian salaries) will knock out (or almost) Asian manufacturing cost advantage. Hence, high gas prices means more manufacturing jobs here (along with all jobs that often (but don't necessarily) hover around manufacturing, such as design, finance, engineering, etc.), rather than outsourced overseas. My job is actually to manage clothing imports from Asia in my company. And believe me, the cost of freight is affecting a hell of a lot of decisions. And the change is far from being over.

- While high oil & gas costs can hurt an economy because the economy is somewhat built on oil & gas on so many levels, it might end up hurting other economies more than ours. Why? Because although we're a huge gas consumer (one of the biggest consumers per capita in the world), we're also by far one of the biggest oil exporters.


Good for our Health & Environment:
- everyone knows that high gas prices are great for the environment 'cause they encourage less gas consumption. More importantly, in my mind, reduced consumption directly improves our health (rather than 'just' the health of our planet). Like most people on this forum, I imagine, I live in a very urban area (centre of MTL island) and I'd love breathe cleaner and just better smelling air. Car pollution has only been part of human lives for a short stint in human history, and I'm looking forward to the day (and I believe I'll see it) when car pollution and disgusting smog will be a thing of the past. And although we can't put a $ amount on it, I imagine that our health care system would save huge sums of money from dealing with people's respiratory problems.

Good for Society:
The gradual yet marked decline in solo transportation will of course coincide with the gradual and marked increase in public transportation. We often look at this strictly in the urban perspective (subway, bus, commuter train), which is great (I'd love to have more subway lines in Montreal and be able to go to work using only one line (which would take like 15 minutes) rather than 2 lines & a bus (which takes 45 minutes) or my car (30 minutes)). In subways we can read, talk to hot girls we don't know, and even easily scratch our asses - all things we can't do easily when we're driving. But what we rarely ever talk about is inter-city public transit, like trains. Higher gas prices means that more and more people will be taking the train to go from MTL to TO or Calgary to Edmonton, etc. Traveling by train has so many advantages: in a train you could easily move around (even change seats when there are free ones), read, sleep, go to a bar or restaurant (if there is one in the train), often it's a hell of a lot faster than by car (sometimes even faster than by plane since trains go from downtown to downtown), and we can often meet people in trains. When I traveled around Europe by train with a friend of mine in my early 20s (about 5 years ago), we met tons of people on the train, people with whom we later traveled and partied and what not. Therefore, I think that more trains and less cars on long haul trips will mean more socializing between all kinds of people, especially between people of different cities, regions, countries, etc., and that's awesome (I'd say it's even (almost) priceless).


BTW, if anyone thinks that I'm all gung ho about high gas prices 'cause I'm some kind of bike riding hippie (not that there's anything wrong with that), that's the opposite of the truth 'cause the only method of transportation i currently use is my car, and it happens to be a car that consumes quite a bit of gas (volvo s70). I just think that our wealth (non-financial, of course) would be much more maximized if we incurred more costs in our gas consumption than if we incured less costs in our gas consumption.

In the final analysis, I might be wrong though. But with the quick and dirty general analysis I made, this is very strong impression I get.

A couple things, maybe it will cause a pull back on Air Cargo, but transporting by sea is so cheap (less than 2% of final product price on average) that it won't have much effect on goods transportation. Most transport costs are in the 'last mile' anyways, so it doesn't matter if the product takes 50 miles or 5000 to get to Wal-Marts or Canadian Tires distribution centre.

As for train travel, if Via actually had a mandate to provide service along major corridors it might help. Calgary right now has no service.

As for air pollution, in Quebec auto pollution is probably up near the top of pollution next to home heating with fuel oil. In Alberta, Saskatchewan, and the maritimes, you have huge coal power plants to supply electricity that are the number one source of pollution and green house gases. Cars in the last 30 years have gotten so clean in comparison, which is why air pollution (besides CO2 which is not a pollutant in the traditional sense) has decreased since the 60s.

Not that I am saying we shouldn't worry about cars, but it seems the market is already solving that problem for us!

High oil prices are good, it should help spur a huge amount of fuel oil to natural gas conversions in Quebec and the Maritimes (especially since the Maritimes have a big supply pipeline flowing through, and Quebec is already partially converted)

Switching cars to something else will be a longer term proposition.

Gas in Canmore yesterday coming home from skiing was $125.9 / Litre

[canlefty]

:previous:

You should see the fuel that goes into those massive cargo ships, yuck.... you can pretty much scrape out the waste from the bottom of the stills and those meter diameter pistons will churn away like nobody's business... But the most important thing (which will seem to be addressed eventually) is the lack of control over sulfur content in those massive ships.

I think we can both agree that heating oil => nat gas in the east and coal => nuclear for base loading in the west would be a very good idea.

[Nicko999]

It was 139.4 Wednesday, and two days later it's 132.4:rolleyes:

[SpongeG]

it was 134.7 pretty much everywhere this afternoon - yesterday was 131.7

does montreal have an extra gas tax? like vancouver? once you leave vancouver (metro area) the 11 cent gas tax is gone and prices are much better and more on average with the rest of the country

[KrisYYC]

Hmm, before the long weekend "analysts" were saying it would hit $1.40/litre during the long weekend. Still $1.22 in my neck of the woods. We'll see if the " OMG!!!$2.00/litre by the end of 2008!!!!" doom and gloom is just BS as well.

[Greco Roman]

Hmm, before the long weekend "analysts" were saying it would hit $1.40/litre during the long weekend. Still $1.22 in my neck of the woods. We'll see if the " OMG!!!$2.00/litre by the end of 2008!!!!" doom and gloom is just BS as well.

$2.00/litre will happen, it's just a question of when.

[SpongeG]

on the way downtown last night around 9 pm it was 129.7 on the way home from downtown around 1 am it was 134.7

today it was 134.7 still

[vid]

Hmm, before the long weekend "analysts" were saying it would hit $1.40/litre during the long weekend. Still $1.22 in my neck of the woods. We'll see if the " OMG!!!$2.00/litre by the end of 2008!!!!" doom and gloom is just BS as well.

It is. It probably won't reach $2.00 by mid to late 2009.

[Nicko999]

down to 129.4 today

Last night, I was going somewhere and I saw one station showing 132.4 and the other 10m away(on the other side of the street) showing 129.4.
When I came 3hours later, both were showing 129.4.

competition...:rolleyes:

[98fb]

135.1 in surrey

[Nicko999]

was down 128.4 this afternoon!

[Jimby]

$1.20 after my Petropoints credit card discount

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj184/lumin8_bucket/DSC_0137-3.jpg

[Greco Roman]

You know there is something wrong with gas prices when it costs you $55 to fill up your 2008 Toyota Matrix :hell:

[IntotheWest]

^It cost us $90 to fill up our minivan a few days ago...and my wife wants a truck still :-)

It'll be interesting to watch how most people's auto choices will change in the next several years - or, how manufacturers will adapt. We'll be seeing several diesel powered cars here in the next year - including the Outback diesel (which, manages about 46 US mpg), Honda Accord (also averaging 50-ish MPG in city, and reportedly in the mid-70's for some Hwy), and also the Nissan Maxima (probably not as good mileage, as it'll be V6 likely, and focused on performance).

I firmly believe hybrids as we know them today will also evolve or disappear completely.

EDIT: A few manufacturers are already planning to exit 8 cylinder engine production - most notably Ford talking of going smaller with turbo power.

The CAFE regulations are really going to force change starting in 2012...I guess my V8 Mustang just might start collecting dust.

[drew]

^ yep, North America will start to see more and more diesels into the market, hopefully catching us up with the rest of the world.

I am a big fan of diesels. I had a VW TDI and it was fantastic.

IMO Diesels offer the best transition towards achieving large scale improvements in automotive fuel economy.
They offer hybrid fuel efficiency in a platform that is far more usable for everyday use than most hybrids, and without the expensive and costly drive trains.

[Nicko999]

138.4 today:rolleyes:

[boden]

My prediction is that after a few more weeks of climbing, gas prices will fall. I predict they will be back to a buck ten by years end. Anyone want to lay some bets?

[IntotheWest]

^ yep, North America will start to see more and more diesels into the market, hopefully catching us up with the rest of the world.

I am a big fan of diesels. I had a VW TDI and it was fantastic.

IMO Diesels offer the best transition towards achieving large scale improvements in automotive fuel economy.
They offer hybrid fuel efficiency in a platform that is far more usable for everyday use than most hybrids, and without the expensive and costly drive trains.

Absolutely...I've never owned one, but have driven enough that I know how much the designs have advanced too. 40% of Europeans drive diesels (when I was over there in '94, gas was the equivalent of $1.20...so, we don't have it that bad!).

I believe VW holds the record for gas mileage (on a specially prepared car), and shows what can be done.

Peugeot is working on a diesel hybrid as is Benz, so there will be a growing list of great options.

EDIT: Oh, as a sports car fanatic, I was really happy to see Audi is quite sure it will build the R8 TDI...they just need to be able to handle the massive amounts of torque (nearly 800 lb ft). But, great to see diesels will be used in a wide variety of applications.

[drew]

^ my 2002 Golf TDI went from Lloydminster to Winnipeg on a single tank (55L). The low fuel light came on in Headingly (basically Winnipeg), and meant I still had about 7 litres in the tank.

1100 km using 48L of fuel, 4.4L/100km.

That was traveling in the winter, at a steady speed of around 110 kmph.

The VW diesel fuel tanks have a trick where you can bypass the venting system to overfill the tank to about 65L. My goal was to try a Calgary, or Edmonton to Winnipeg one tank trip, but I had to sell the car before I could attempt it.

[mersar]

A number of Calgary stations jumped from the 122-125 range all the way to 129 overnight, though a few are still at 118 from what I've heard. One station in Cochrane had jumped to 129.4 last night, but was back down at 122.9 this morning, and one other station out there still was at 119.9

[Greco Roman]

^ my 2002 Golf TDI went from Lloydminster to Winnipeg on a single tank (55L). The low fuel light came on in Headingly (basically Winnipeg), and meant I still had about 7 litres in the tank.

1100 km using 48L of fuel, 4.4L/100km.

That was traveling in the winter, at a steady speed of around 110 kmph.

The VW diesel fuel tanks have a trick where you can bypass the venting system to overfill the tank to about 65L. My goal was to try a Calgary, or Edmonton to Winnipeg one tank trip, but I had to sell the car before I could attempt it.

What are gas prices in Winnipeg now?

[drew]

^129.9 posted, which would translate into 126.4 at the pump.

(everyone here does the 3.5 cents off the posted price)

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$ 1.329 for diesel in Calgary. No 3.5 cent discount either.