[djvandrake]

Damn I hate when these ,100 floors plus, 1100-1200 foot tall buildings get hidden from view.

Just give it to some other city because we will never see it anyway because of the way it is all boxed in. ;)

*raises hand*

Yes please. You Chicago types are spoiled for riches. Even though Chicago is destined to be my future home, any buildings you want to send down this way, feel free. :cheers:

[BVictor1]

Have you ever been in front of the Peninsula in Chicago. There's always lots of cars waiting to be parked. Regarding parking, you also have to take into account ballroom functions, restaurants, spas, etc. There's lots of other reasons to go to hotels other then to stay overnight.

Many of the cars in from of the Peninsula are limos and private cars. There are also many cabs. With it's proximity to the Sheraton and Embasy Suites Lakefront, I think that traffic will actually flow more smoothly. There's only so much room to station a cab and other vehicles on upper North Water and Park Drive (sloped street leading to the Sheraton from Illinois). With the addition of this hotel, those cars won't be idleing as long because there will be more customers to service.

After reading the Sun Times article, I think the 1000 parking spots will be shared with the proposed 48 story rental building and it seems as if SOAR going to do their best to minimize the damage.


I don't believe that 1,000 parking spaces were ever mentioned in the article, that was TUP's 2'cents :)

After reading the Sun Times article, I think the 1000 parking spots will be shared with the proposed 48 story rental building and it seems as if SOAR going to do their best to minimize the damage.

The design hasn't been released to the public, but it the design was shown to SOAR on September 4th. The tower will be 50-stories and about 574' tall. They are going in under existing zoning, so there's no need to go before the plan commission on the rental tower, it's as of right. The tower was nice, but the parking base sucked ass and totally overshadowed the design of the tower. SOAR was appalled. My theory, is that SOAR will ask the 2 developers to work together on an shared underground garage. And I'd agree with them.

[aaron38]

My theory, is that SOAR will ask the 2 developers to work together on an shared underground garage. And I'd agree with them.

If they can't get all the parking underground, they could do what 600 N LSD did, which is to sandwich the parking in the middle between the two towers. From the render, there's a lot of space in the middle, and it would be mostly hidden from view.

[BVictor1]

If they can't get all the parking underground, they could do what 600 N LSD did, which is to sandwich the parking in the middle between the two towers. From the render, there's a lot of space in the middle, and it would be mostly hidden from view.

Possibly, but there is a view corridor west from Ogedn Slip that can't be obstructed. I believe that the height limit there is 30', and I don't believe there's any way SOAR would agree to give that up.

[nomarandlee]

The only criticism I have with this is that I wish it could be proposed for the lot of the NBC tower. I even think it is worthy enough for the WP or NE corner of Lakeshore East.

Yes, it is only one block north of the river but it would be nice to see a potentially iconic building on the rivers edge to be able to view base to top.

[Alliance]

Yeah... there are two lots on either side of NBC...one ON the River. I'm still kind of surprised we haven't seen development. There.

Perhaps Carley's tower will spur some.

[SolarWind]

September 28, 2007

Here are two panoramic shots from the site today. Nothing really special, just a parking lot. While I was taking pictures, about a quarter after noon, a green helicopter hovered right over the site for approximately 10 minutes. It was a beautiful day and perhaps they were gathering some photographs for future promotional material or maybe the pilot was a skyscraper fan checking the site out like me. ;)

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/5916/dsc0066ri7.jpg

Looking north-northeast
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/2862/59111974tz2.jpg

Looking northwest. Trump Tower is on the far left.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1052/83756351oo2.jpg

[aaron38]

Even though we have only one rendering, I would love to see what kinda impact on the skyline it would have.

Well this is my best guess for this skyline shot of mine from Western/Elston.
I eyeballed the base as bit smaller than AON, and from the NW, it would have a basically pyramidal shape, if both sides cut in to the point as it looks like they do.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/aaron38/Skyline%20Photos/SkylinefromWesternwithW-A.jpg

[bnk]

Well this is my best guess for this skyline shot of mine from Western/Elston.
I eyeballed the base as bit smaller than AON, and from the NW, it would have a basically pyramidal shape, if both sides cut in to the point as it looks like they do.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/aaron38/Skyline%20Photos/SkylinefromWesternwithW-A.jpg



nice pano but the shard has little impact upon the sky view from this point, but than again why should I complain?

[Reminiscence]

nice pano but the shard has little impact upon the sky view from this point, but than again why should I complain?

For an instant there, I thought that smokestack was a photoshoped picture displaying the proposed tower. :haha:

[aaron38]

From the North, rough silhouette.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/aaron38/Skyline%20Photos/W-AfromNorth.jpg

[rgolch]

Time once again for someone to break out that iRobot photo of the futuristic Chicago skyline.

[Dan in Chicago]

There is a view corridor west from Ogden Slip that can't be obstructed.

Any idea why that is being preserved? I guess it lines up pretty well with Tribune Tower, which would be good enough reason. As long as they're doing that, it would be better to (re)extend Ogden Slip all the way to Columbus. Just a nice fantasy... of course it would mean cutting through the central lobby between those 12-story Cityfront Place buildings.

[jcchii]

this would be some very premature banaculation, but it looks great

one of the worst surface lots left in chicago, for sure

[bjorda1]

nice pano but the shard has little impact upon the sky view from this point, but than again why should I complain?

What are you talking about? Little impact on the skyline? There's a big 1000' triangular building in the middle of the photo.

[Alliance]

nice pano but the shard has little impact upon the sky view from this point, but than again why should I complain?

Sorry, but its really effing hard to make a big impact in Chicago. You essentially have to build 2000' or on the edge of the skyline.

[munda]

oh wonderful
now i got another building i can look at on my drive home

Chicago, always trying to top it self

[kazpmk]

Wow. Chicago truly is amazing with all this development. Look out NYC!

[OhioGuy]

one of the worst surface lots left in chicago, for sure

Last time I was down in that area I was wondering when the hell they'd get rid of the stupid parking lot. I couldn't understand how something like that was existing right in the middle of all of the other highrises in the area. It'll be good when it's finally gone! :banana:

[IRLaw]

Last time I was down in that area I was wondering when the hell they'd get rid of the stupid parking lot. I couldn't understand how something like that was existing right in the middle of all of the other highrises in the area. It'll be good when it's finally gone! :banana:
I wonder the same thing every time I go to the movies. Not only this site, but is there any word on the empty lot south of NBC tower? I'd be happy with something even in the middle range height wise, just please no rotating tower!

[Tom In Chicago]

Any idea why that is being preserved? I guess it lines up pretty well with Tribune Tower, which would be good enough reason. As long as they're doing that, it would be better to (re)extend Ogden Slip all the way to Columbus. Just a nice fantasy... of course it would mean cutting through the central lobby between those 12-story Cityfront Place buildings.

That's a good question. . . I wondered that myself. . . but it probably has something to do with the original master plan in 1985 for the Cityfront Center project when the Chicago Dock and Canal Trust managed the site. . . they had plans for a performing arts center at one time that was supposed to line up with the axis of Ogden Slip. . . this link has a bunch of information on the CDCT plans. . .

http://sec.edgar-online.com/1996/07/09/00/0000912057-96-014125/Section2.asp


. . .

[honte]

Last time I was down in that area I was wondering when the hell they'd get rid of the stupid parking lot. I couldn't understand how something like that was existing right in the middle of all of the other highrises in the area. It'll be good when it's finally gone! :banana:

I don't disagree with you, but it's worth noting that about 6-7 years ago, that parking lot looked just like the rest of the area! The transformation that has happened over there is incredible.

[Dac150]

It's funny because that "futuristic pano of Chicago" in I-Robot is becoming a reality fast. All we need is robots and hovering cars and were all set.

[Alliance]

And Will Smith :haha:

[Dac150]

And Will Smith :haha:

Whats Chicago without Will Smith.:haha:

[DCCliff]

Any idea why that is being preserved? I guess it lines up pretty well with Tribune Tower, which would be good enough reason. As long as they're doing that, it would be better to (re)extend Ogden Slip all the way to Columbus. Just a nice fantasy... of course it would mean cutting through the central lobby between those 12-story Cityfront Place buildings.

That's a good question. . . I wondered that myself. . . but it probably has something to do with the original master plan in 1985 for the Cityfront Center project when the Chicago Dock and Canal Trust managed the site. . . they had plans for a performing arts center at one time that was supposed to line up with the axis of Ogden Slip. . . this link has a bunch of information on the CDCT plans. . .

http://sec.edgar-online.com/1996/07/09/00/0000912057-96-014125/Section2.asp


. . . The 10K filing only references the view corridor without any explanation of its existence. It was once my understanding that the Tribune Co. (&Chgo Dock & Canal) had made the slip & tower view easment a condition governing any and all future development. I've thought that for 20 years, but don't remember where I got it, and it may not be accurate.

[jcchii]

TRB own the parking lot immediately behind it, on the same level as lower wacker and that's it

[Lecom]

Wow, this came out of nowhere. Chicago keeps baffling me with their extensive skyscraper boom. Looks like the city may reach the I Robot skyline in much less time than most of us thought, and we don't even have to drain the lake.

[budman]

[
That's a good question. . . I wondered that myself. . . but it probably has something to do with the original master plan in 1985 for the Cityfront Center project when the Chicago Dock and Canal Trust managed the site. . . they had plans for a performing arts center at one time that was supposed to line up with the axis of Ogden Slip. . . this link has a bunch of information on the CDCT plans. . .

http://sec.edgar-online.com/1996/07/09/00/0000912057-96-014125/Section2.asp


. . .
^fascinating link, great find.

[Tom In Chicago]

^Yeah. . . I just wish I could find the old renderings. . . funny how it took nearly 20+ years to come together. . . sheesh!!!

[FrancoRey]

:previous: Either way, I am UBER jealous of this tower. Cmon, Chicago! Share the love of 1000ft+ buildings! Denver's tallest was in 1984 and is an 'Amoco Bldg Box' at 714 feet. We are getting a Four Seasons at 635 feet but still too short. AND, our only cool glass proposal as of now is yet again, another box at 40 stories (see pic). I would kill for some shapley towers in my city.

GIVE ME YOUR TOWER!!! :hell:

[Jaroslaw]

Very interesting, that view corridor.

For me, the placement of the towers is wrong, and it has to do with the inadequate street grid in this part of Streeterville... All those double-length blocks, and the not entirely successful attempts to fill them up.

I'd turn that sloping plaza along Columbus, on the w edge of the site, 90 degrees. Bring up the towers to Columbus, line them up to the street like in a city, and have the park between them, in the view corridor.

[migueltorres]

So I downloaded Google sketchup yesterday and started to play with it. I made a rough model of this building since i love the design. I made it around 1300'. I'm not an architect or a designer (and it shows!), just an IT guy that likes skyscrapers and loves Chicago (and extremely addicted to SSP)

Enjoy!

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/5676/waldorfastoria2iu4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Any experts out there that may want to improve it, PM me and i'll send you the sketchup file.

[Nowhereman1280]

^^^ Wow, that really helps to visualize the shape of this building! I hope that is entirely accurate and the building is of that shape. The only thing your diagram doesn't account for is the "scalloped" shape of the building. Any idea's as to what that quote means?

[aaron38]

Wait, have you seen another picture of the building? Cause it looked to me that both sides pulled in as it twisted, but it's hard to tell. Is that really what the top looks like? And is that a 45 degree twist?

[migueltorres]

^^^ Wow, that really helps to visualize the shape of this building! I hope that is entirely accurate and the building is of that shape. The only thing your diagram doesn't account for is the "scalloped" shape of the building. Any idea's as to what that quote means?

I didn't understand that part either, I built the model based on the fact that the article i read somewhere said that it started of with a square and it thinned off as it gets higher. Both sides twist on the model but it's hard to see from that angle, i just wanted to show kind of the same angle as the picture.

I took the same triangle(esque?) shape and inverted it for the other side and filled the middle in. That's how the building gets its twist

[Nowhereman1280]

Wait, have you seen another picture of the building? Cause it looked to me that both sides pulled in as it twisted, but it's hard to tell. Is that really what the top looks like? And is that a 45 degree twist?

No, I haven't seen another rendering, but all of what I said was from the original rendering or the articles.

[Alliance]

Any experts out there that may want to improve it, PM me and i'll send you the sketchup file.


What I'd like to see are views of the building not already given in the renders. You can send me the file if ya like :cool:

[CenIL_LA]

Isn't Bvic supposed to hear more about this tower today?

[Nowhereman1280]

I sure hope he is hearing more today. I really am anxious for more info and renders on this proposal.

[dallasbrink]

a Spire and a Blade, nice additions to the skyline

[forumly_chgoman]

Well we've got a drill bit (nail), & a blade....all we need now is a hammer

[left of center]

this city is unbelievable! Anyone know when we would be finding out more info on this project?

[Biff]

Sounds alot like the SWFC in Shanghai, my favorite building - only 300 ft shorter.

Square on the bottom, wedge on the top, all glass.

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1398/1439997367_533d9d3586_o.jpg

[Rocket1]

Time once again for someone to break out that iRobot photo of the futuristic Chicago skyline.

I saw "I Robot" for the first time last night on FX, and loved the depiction of Chicago in the future.


Just wondering. Is the robot manufacturer's HQ in the movie about where the W=A is?

http://img114.exs.cx/img114/2581/r6qxviditaiorobotdvd.jpg

[rgolch]

I saw "I Robot" for the first time last night on FX, and loved the depiction of Chicago in the future.


Just wondering. Is the robot manufacturer's HQ in the movie about where the W=A is?

http://img114.exs.cx/img114/2581/r6qxviditaiorobotdvd.jpg

Good question. I think its closer to where the CS would be. So the fictional building just to the left would be the W=A

[MrLakepoint]

[QUOTE=Rocket1;3090819]I saw "I Robot" for the first time last night on FX, and loved the depiction of Chicago in the future.


Just wondering. Is the robot manufacturer's HQ in the movie about where the W=A is?

No, The Manufacturer's HQ is actually located across the river south from Trump. :tup:

[Ryan81]

I did this the first day I found out about the project...didn't know if I liked my results enough to post....what the hell though.

I am not proposing that there would be cross bracing exposed on this, they are a product of closing the surfaces...couldn't get it to smooth out.

http://aycu12.webshots.com/image/30731/2000231739065534421_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000231739065534421)
http://aycu05.webshots.com/image/30124/2000281823985149752_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000281823985149752)
http://aycu37.webshots.com/image/29036/2000228923827822749_th.jpg (http://allyoucanupload.webshots.com/v/2000228923827822749)

[Alliance]

Thats kind of it.

Migueltorres' model seemed spot on to me. I've been scrambling to do a digital painting of it to post here.

[Knightwing]

Wow, I'm slow. This is my first time seeing this. I'm diggin this one...

[BVictor1]

Best that I could do...

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7285/p1090760wm1.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4018/p1090761jp5.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/img518/4929/p1090762ul3.jpg

[Nowhereman1280]

*Jaw Drops*

Very Nice, Very nice indeed!

[Alliance]

Best that I could do...haha..."best" my @ss

:cool:

Bvic, where would we be without you?

[IRLaw]

stunning, it just keeps getting better in Chicago doesn't it?

[Tom Servo]

ø

[DHamp]

That tower rocks. Period.

[spyguy]

Nice job, BVictor. This tower looks great.

[Chi_Coruscant]

Fantastic! This looks real nice.

[Nowhereman1280]

looks very nice.


...is KPF doing this? because it looks just like the Shanghai WFC, sanz cut-out.

This is completely different than the WFC. This one has a twisting motion to it and is skinnier. If you look closely you can see that two corners go all the way up and the others are slowly sliced away in rotational directions.

[Tom Servo]

∑

[Hot Rod]

BEEEEutiful!!!!

[Dr. Taco]

those are some of the best-done renders I have ever seen. I hope this building stamps its way confidently to completion

[SlatsGrobnik]

BVic: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

[EarlyBuyer]

Excellent BVic, thanks!

[Nowhereman1280]

oh really? it twists? huh... well is KPF the firm behind this?

No, it doesn't really "twist" like the spire, it looks like its rotates. Its not like the spire where each plate rotates X degrees fro the last, its the floor plates sizes change in a manner that makes it appear that they are rotating. In other words, a little bit of each corner gets shaved off on each floor so that it looks like it is twisted, but it really isn't, its just getting skinnier...

[SNT1]

looks alot like SWFC looking in a certain angle, but quite different with the north/south facade (?)

it's a 10/10 for me. I favor sleek glass scrapers...

[aaron38]

Holy crap, BVic, those are perfect. Thank you.
Well I see I got the top all wrong. I'll have to redo my skyline renders.

I love the shape, it's going to be very dynamic. Because of the two verticle lines, from most angles at a distance, it will apear as a simple monolithic box like Aon, solid and brutal and very Chicago.

But from the NW and SE, you will see it transform into a gracefull, tapering blade shape. And I love that it has a flat roof rather than the pyramidal shape.

If I have time tonight, I'll redo my renders, and add another one I was working on, but couldn't figure out the shape.

[Alliance]

looks very nice.


...is KPF doing this? because it looks just like the Shanghai WFC, sanz cut-out.

Looks like, but its definately got a 45 degree twist on two sides.
Sufficiently different for my tastes and different from anything else in Chicago.

No, it doesn't really "twist" like the spire, it looks like its rotates. Its not like the spire where each plate rotates X degrees fro the last, its the floor plates sizes change in a manner that makes it appear that they are rotating. In other words, a little bit of each corner gets shaved off on each floor so that it looks like it is twisted, but it really isn't, its just getting skinnier...

The floorplates don't twist, but the facade does. You have a square of which two opposite sides taper to its diagonal. The other two ascend vertically untill they're cut off. Its very clear that it does indeed twist, just not like The Spire or that other flooded building in Dubai.

victor, you are god of these forums. nice work once again. i think you're up around 7 or 8 billion SSP bonus points by now. i'll have to buy you a beer after tonight's GP3 & 4 meeting.

Wow. Beers cost a lot of SSP points.

[Steely Dan]

victor, you are god of these forums. nice work once again. i think you're up around 7 or 8 billion SSP bonus points by now. i'll have to buy you a beer after tonight's GP3 & 4 meeting.



well is KPF the firm behind this?
no, as victor reported earlier in this thread, it's destefano.

[sentinel]

WOW. Yes it does twist because you see the same profile from both the east and west views so the assumption is that it twists at the top to create that identical view. That also makes sense with regards to what the article said about this building being a 'tip of the hat' - an homage to the Spire.
BRAVO!!

[SNT1]

only a 45-degree twist. It's actually just more of a 'bend' :P

If this goes through, it will be my #2 favorite skyscraper in Chicago---and that's an all-star skyline right there.

[F1 Tommy]

Nice renders Bvictor,some of the best I have ever seen.

[Nowhereman1280]

The floorplates don't twist, but the facade does. You have a square of which two opposite sides taper to its diagonal. The other two ascend vertically untill they're cut off. Its very clear that it does indeed twist, just not like The Spire or that other flooded building in Dubai.


That's what I said, there are no floorplates that rotate compared to the others. They just start as squares and are slowly carved back from squares in a manner that makes it appear that it twists 45 degrees.

[sentinel]

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/7285/p1090760wm1.jpg
If you look carefully at the very top of this image you can see how the angle of the window lines from one floor to the ones on top kinda rotates over a little showing that slight twist.

[STR]

I have to get my Chicago model on my new PC and check this thing out. Simply astounding.

[honte]

^ STR, we all were hoping you would be reading this thread! ;)

[dallasbrink]

I like this one better then then its older brother in China. This ones base doesn't looks so bulky.

[SNT1]

^For me, that's a toughie. I like W-A's sleeker facade, but the still sleek, 500-foot taller, more gimmicky skydeck of SWFC is top-notch :D

[STR]

I posted this about an hour ago in the Chicago model thread, but UIC kicked me off the network just before I posted here, Unfortunately, I left the tether for my smartphone at home. It took me until now to get the wireless working again.

Anyway, the prelim model is probably too wide or too long, but that's nothing that can't be fixed. Nor does it really matter, as this is a massing model which will get deleted on way or another (the good way is to replace it with a final model, the other way is the easy delete-it-and-forget-it).

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3120/chi01qc2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/6113/chi02oq6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/7300/chi03ni4.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/281/chi04bd9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[rgolch]

That first image is amazing. I'm speechless.

[Wild Onion Mike]

^^^.....Surreal!!!.....

We have seen tomorrow....and it is here today.

All we're missing is soylent green, flying cars, and babble fish. I'll take 2 out of 3.

[Dr. Taco]

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/281/chi04bd9.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

incredible... and 3 of 4 of those supertalls will be there for sure! sigh :cool:
thanks very much for your talented work, str

[F1 Tommy]

Great job STR..Your renderings were one of the reasons I joined SSP.
It will be a good time in Chicago around 2012!

[Alliance]

Great work STR. We all miss your updates in the 2010 thread :cool:

My impression: Its amazing how little this guy stands out. :haha:

We need a 1600+ tower a few blocks northeast of the Spire.

[Steely Dan]

STR comes through with a home run!

thank you for posting those images. between you model images and victor's renderings i finally have a good mental grasp on the actual 3-dimensional shape of this thing (at first it was difficult for me to figure out how this one was different in form from SWFC).

from what we've seen so far, this one is shaping up to be a blockbuster.

[SlatsGrobnik]

We need a 1600+ tower a few blocks northeast of the Spire.

Rising out of the lake. I love it.

[Chicago2020]

Is it just me or does the spire seem alittle chunky??

STR, those are freaking amazing!!!! :worship: :worship: :worship:

[aaron38]

Excelent work STR. Yep, this'll be a good one. As you drive down the Kennedy you'll be lined up with the blade, and see the thin pyramid shape of STR's second render.
Then as you swing around to either side, it'll expand back out.

Yeah, I really like this building.

[cbotnyse]

My impression: Its amazing how little this guy stands out. :haha:.that was my first impression too. You'd never think an 1100 footer could get lost in the shuffle! The models look great, thanks for posting.

[Nowhereman1280]

STR's renders are just a preview of what will be the greatest Cluster of tall buildings on earth when completed. Also, remember that there will be another tall one at Wolf Point. Dubai might be able to beat this cluster in numbers, but they will all be right next to each and most of them will look like they belong in Las Vegas. This will be lots of tall, stunning, architecture, that will be just spaced out enough so that the views of and from each building are maintained. Hopefully there will be a supertall in LSE as well...


We need a 1600+ tower a few blocks northeast of the Spire.

Are you proposing they tear down Jardine? Or should they build it in the lake? I don't think that is allowed according to that ordinance about not building east of LSD... :haha:

[Alliance]

*smacks forhead*

Northwest.

[F1 Tommy]

That brings up a good point.I wonder how long it will take to make
a plan for building skyscrapers above the city water treatment facility NE of
the Spire site.Im sure someone is thinking about it.

[Steely Dan]

Im sure someone is thinking about it.

no, absolutely no one is thinking about it because any such development would be illegal and opposed by everyone in this city, including da mayor himself. the idea that skyscrapers might be built on top of jardine is so laughably absurd it does not warrant any amount of serious discussion.

[F1 Tommy]

Thats what they used to say ubout the railroad tracks under MP.
But your right Steely,it is not worth talking about now.If it did happen it wouldnt be for years.

[SNT1]

Thanks for the sneak peaks of its impact!

So it still peaks out from Grant Park above BCBS+1/340 OTP. That's good news. From the Southeast, its profile is very similar to SWFC.

Hahahah @Chicago River giving Dubai Marina and WTC complex a serious run for its money. Just need that WP proposal to be official!

[HK Chicago]

Looks good. SWFC is one of the better supertalls around, so a half brother is good with me.

Apparently the shape is the generally SWFC form with only 2 edges (SW, NE) bending in.

[aaron38]

I redid the skyline shot from the north.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/aaron38/Skyline%20Photos/W-AfromNorth-1.jpg


And I really like this night shot of the Spire. So what do you do while waiting for the game to start? Do another drawing.
http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r86/aaron38/Skyline%20Photos/W-Anightshot.jpg

[APPRAISER]

Nice aaron!!! I love the night shot!
By the way, does this building have a number on emporis?

[ColumbusTim79]

that night shot is my new background :)

[Dan in Chicago]

By the way, does this building have a number on emporis?

309503 :cheers: