[mr.x2]

InTransitBC is planning to only partially paint the new trains for the Canada Line. I am not allowed to show you the renderings of what the livery might look like, however, I can tell you that only the heads on both ends of the trains will be painted (thus why the heads are white in the pictures below) with a unique design much different than the "Translink brand".

We've basically agreed on that only painting the trains partially, especially just the fronts, will look incredibly ugly.

Make your views heard....Canada Line officials do read our posts from time to time, and I can tell you that our opinion does matter to them.



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[deasine]

When I have the time, I will scan my VERY QUICK sketches of what the Canada Line trains should have looked like.

[j4893k]

I think the white and silver could have gone really well together if they were properly integrated. The way it is now, it looks as if the head of of the train doesn't belong to the body. I hope they decide to paint the whole train white and add a red colour scheme similar to the mark 1 and 2 "swooshes".

That being said, I think the trains themselves are quite nice looking, even if the interior looks a little mark 1-ish.

[David]

doesn't bother me. i actually like the silver.

[raggedy13]

I also kinda like the stainless steel look. I don't like the white heads as they are now though but I'm sure whatever paint job they have in mind will make the heads a bit more integrated in appearance with the metallic grey.

[mr.x2]

I also kinda like the stainless steel look. I don't like the white heads as they are now though but I'm sure whatever paint job they have in mind will make the heads a bit more integrated in appearance with the metallic grey.

The white heads aren't the livery. I posted a leaked rendering of the train livery a few months ago....the heads of the trains had a unique blue/white design (sort of like BC Ferries actually) and the blue faded into the stainless steel grey on the sides of the train. It didn't go well with the train at all.

The rendering had to be removed because of a request from InTransitBC.

[djh]

You know what message an unfinished train will give to the public? That Translink didn't want to spend the money to finish the trains properly, all to save a few pennies.

I can understand how they would want to send the message that they are not "wasting" money on "frivolous" things like paint, but yet, London buses are all red and recognised everywhere, and it all adds to the sense of a uniform fleet.

[The_Henry_Man]

It should be all painted white because it'll give the entire rapid transit system in Metro Vancouver a unified look, and OFFICIALLY name the C-Line as part of the Skytrain system. Basically, have a livery that's highly similar to the Mk II trains. Any variations of that is fine as long as the background colour is white.

[mr.x2]

During the summer, i was fortunate enough to be personally invited by the top guy in charge of the Canada Line, to have a one-in-one discussion on the project. We had a really good discussion, went over quite a bit.....one of the reasons why the Canada Line won't be branded as SkyTrain is because they don't want people to get mixed up with a Translink operated system and a private operated system. He used the Nestle and Willy Wonka example.....when Willy Wonka Chocolates merged with Nestle, the Willy Wonka brand disappeared under the Nestle label.

But he did concede that many will, and in ten years from now, continue to call the Canada Line a "SkyTrain". So, it didn't really matter whether or not it would be called SkyTrain. And they don't want to dip into all the legal business again and modify the line's name in the contract.

These were some very valid points, and on a private sector perspective I would have the same views too. But on a public sector perspective, I would think a unified brand (train colour and name) for the sake of creating a single-metro system would be more proper and much more ideal, like the HK MTR or London Underground.



I should also mention....to those that saw the sneak-peak of the train livery from the rendering i posted, the colours of the livery are not finalized.

[SpongeG]

as long as it goes from A to B they could paint it brown purple and orange for all i care

[officedweller]

The white face reminds me of Thomas the Tank Engine.

I could see it if the "faces" were painted or shrink-wrapped (so as not to block the window) with aboriginal sun or moon masks like this Tsimsian style Sun Mask carved by Sportour from pbase - it would also tie into YVR's aborginal art theme. The border around the mask would conceal the transition between white and aluminum body.

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[mr.x2]

^ lmao.

[clooless]

I've seen the proposed design and it looks like ass. The transition between the painted front and the silver body just doesn't cut it. They need to either extend the area the painted front transitions into the silver body or, better yet, just paint the entire train white.

[Nutterbug]

During the summer, i was fortunate enough to be personally invited by the top guy in charge of the Canada Line, to have a one-in-one discussion on the project. We had a really good discussion, went over quite a bit.....one of the reasons why the Canada Line won't be branded as SkyTrain is because they don't want people to get mixed up with a Translink operated system and a private operated system. He used the Nestle and Willy Wonka example.....when Willy Wonka Chocolates merged with Nestle, the Willy Wonka brand disappeared under the Nestle label.

Translink's not operating it?

I thought it was going to be integrated into the same transit system.

[tintinium]

It really depends on the final product. Personally, I think it should've been ALL stainless steel. That would've looked cool. I wonder how they're going to have huge "ad" trains like on the M-Line.

[Mininari]

It really depends on the final product. Personally, I think it should've been ALL stainless steel. That would've looked cool. I wonder how they're going to have huge "ad" trains like on the M-Line.

Thats just the thing.
They may have simply decided not to paint the body anything, and let the advertisers pay for it as contracts are signed.

Otherwise, I agree that the whole train should remain silver.

[The_Henry_Man]

During the summer, i was fortunate enough to be personally invited by the top guy in charge of the Canada Line, to have a one-in-one discussion on the project. We had a really good discussion, went over quite a bit.....one of the reasons why the Canada Line won't be branded as SkyTrain is because they don't want people to get mixed up with a Translink operated system and a private operated system. He used the Nestle and Willy Wonka example.....when Willy Wonka Chocolates merged with Nestle, the Willy Wonka brand disappeared under the Nestle label.

But he did concede that many will, and in ten years from now, continue to call the Canada Line a "SkyTrain". So, it didn't really matter whether or not it would be called SkyTrain. And they don't want to dip into all the legal business again and modify the line's name in the contract.

These were some very valid points, and on a private sector perspective I would have the same views too. But on a public sector perspective, I would think a unified brand (train colour and name) for the sake of creating a single-metro system would be more proper and much more ideal, like the HK MTR or London Underground.



I should also mention....to those that saw the sneak-peak of the train livery from the rendering i posted, the colours of the livery are not finalized.


I'm quite disappointed by the decision not to brand the C-Line as Skytrain. Now we might have a fragmented rapid transit system. But hopefully after their operating contract is up in the next 35 years, it might be branded as Skytrain when Translink takes over?

[djh]

What about rust? Without any paint, and in our rainforest/coastal climate, that metal is gonna be brown and streaky within 1 year, I guarantee you.

Then you will get your wish of brown and orange, SpongeG!

[officedweller]

The white Skytrains show a lot of rust too.

Translink's not operating it?

I thought it was going to be integrated into the same transit system.

The Public-Private Partnership is to design, build, operate, maintain (i.e "DBOM") and partially finance the line.

The Concession Agreement basically acts like a franchise agreement - setting standards for design, construction, operation, maintenance, payments and allocating risk.

There will be full fare integration with the Translink system - and fares will be established by Translink.

[officedweller]

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[djh]

The white Skytrains show a lot of rust too.



Good point. But if the rust is on top of paint or even better, on top of advertising material (usually has a plastic coat), it can be cleaned off easily. Rusted metal is just rusted metal through-and-through.

[SpongeG]

maybe they are doing is since about 80% of the track is underground?

[paradigm4]

I did not know that InTransitBC was the operator. That changes things a lot. I suppose the service is somewhat like the WEC or West Van Buses, where it's operated by a separate company under contract to Translink. I would hope that InTransitBC paints the line in Translink livery, similar to the MKI and MKII trains. If there's one thing Translink does very badly, of which there are many, it's having a uniform brand. Having the Canada Line as a separate entity will just make it even worse, and only time will tell whether having the project as a P3 was a good decision.

Whether InTransitBC does the livery like Translink or tries to do their own brand, having the train front painted and the body in metal just looks plain ugly. Either paint it all, or have it all in metal. The original mockup, with the silver body and the rapid transit stripes looked okay. I would prefer a completely white body, but if that's too close to Translink, I understand. Just don't do half and half!

And the second mockup, with the light blue and white looked okay, just too similar to BC Ferries, IMO.

[mr.x2]

I did not know that InTransitBC was the operator. That changes things a lot. I suppose the service is somewhat like the WEC or West Van Buses, where it's operated by a separate company under contract to Translink. I would hope that InTransitBC paints the line in Translink livery, similar to the MKI and MKII trains. If there's one thing Translink does very badly, of which there are many, it's having a uniform brand. Having the Canada Line as a separate entity will just make it even worse, and only time will tell whether having the project as a P3 was a good decision.

Whether InTransitBC does the livery like Translink or tries to do their own brand, having the train front painted and the body in metal just looks plain ugly. Either paint it all, or have it all in metal. The original mockup, with the silver body and the rapid transit stripes looked okay. I would prefer a completely white body, but if that's too close to Translink, I understand. Just don't do half and half!

my thoughts as well.

[SpongeG]

y'all need to go to san francisco and see how many different companies are involved in the transit there

there is muni, bart, marin county etc etc

they often share bus stops too

to an outsider it makes it easier at least to decipher what you want

[Nutterbug]

It should be blue and yellow like the rest of Translink, but with an extra red stripe/streak to denote a separate organization and federal involvement.