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The_Henry_Man
Dec 9, 2015, 5:16 AM
From the Journal of Commerce Dec 8, 2015:

http://journalofcommerce.com/Resizes/photoplayergallery/PageFiles/09/61/16109/002_RBI-image-1012024.jpeg
http://journalofcommerce.com/Infrastructure/News/2015/12/PHOTO-Renovation-work-at-Broadway-Skytrain-1012022W/

I really hope they would leave enough room in the Cut to put in another railroad track (BSFR) in order to permit expanded and more efficient WCE service to Abbotsford and Chilliwack.

city-dweller
Dec 9, 2015, 5:24 AM
I really hope they would leave enough room in the Cut to put in another railroad track (BSFR) in order to permit expanded and more efficient WCE service to Abbotsford and Chilliwack.

I was thinking the same thing. Would it be possible to fill the entire gap with the track bed and adjust the existing track to fit two?

casper
Dec 9, 2015, 6:00 AM
I was thinking the same thing. Would it be possible to fill the entire gap with the track bed and adjust the existing track to fit two?

Looks like there might even be enough room for a centre platform between the two tracks. Perhaps in a few years a Broadway WestCoast Express station.

aberdeen5698
Dec 9, 2015, 6:19 AM
I really hope they would leave enough room in the Cut to put in another railroad track (BSFR) in order to permit expanded and more efficient WCE service to Abbotsford and Chilliwack.There really isn't enough traffic that goes through the cut that another track is needed. Most of the rail traffic in that corridor leaves the line at Willingdon Junction where the line branches off through the Thornton tunnel to the CN bridge across Burrard Inlet. There are only a handfull of long-haul passenger trains per day and the occasional freight bound for the interchange to the CP downtown yard. I can't imagine that it would be much of a problem to schedule such a light traffic volume to move over the single track.

urbancanadian
Dec 9, 2015, 6:21 AM
There's room for two sets of tracks. But I wish they would've managed the space better.

One day I'll post my fantasy maps on here. I could potentially see up to five commuter rail lines in the region in the far future. Three of them would serve the South of Fraser cities, and would terminate at Pacific Central Station via the Grandview Cut. That would definitely mean a station at Commercial-Broadway since it would enable easy access to Central Broadway, UBC, etc...

But realistically, a "Fraser Valley Express" line will surely happen one day, and if it travels through the cut, I'm sure we'll see a station here. It's a no brainer, methinks.

The_Henry_Man
Dec 10, 2015, 1:16 AM
There really isn't enough traffic that goes through the cut that another track is needed. Most of the rail traffic in that corridor leaves the line at Willingdon Junction where the line branches off through the Thornton tunnel to the CN bridge across Burrard Inlet. There are only a handfull of long-haul passenger trains per day and the occasional freight bound for the interchange to the CP downtown yard. I can't imagine that it would be much of a problem to schedule such a light traffic volume to move over the single track.

True, but having twin tracks in that section of BSFR would allow for all day frequent WCE service to the Fraser Valley.

aberdeen5698
Dec 10, 2015, 7:27 AM
True, but having twin tracks in that section of BSFR would allow for all day frequent WCE service to the Fraser Valley.I'm having a really hard time imagining all-day WCE service that needs to be more frequent than about 20-30 minutes outside of rush hours in the foreseeable future.

urbancanadian
Dec 10, 2015, 7:32 AM
Doesn't the Port expect traffic to increase by quite a bit along that line? Hence the Powell Street overpass and upcoming Malkin Connector (and overpass), and other upgrades that jlousa alluded to a while back.

officedweller
Dec 10, 2015, 7:50 AM
Doesn't the Port expect traffic to increase by quite a bit along that line? Hence the Powell Street overpass and upcoming Malkin Connector (and overpass), and other upgrades that jlousa alluded to a while back.

Yup - that's why the redevelopment of the False Creek Flats (and removal of the railway tracks) is no longer in the cards.

Jebby
Dec 10, 2015, 6:01 PM
I'm having a really hard time imagining all-day WCE service that needs to be more frequent than about 20-30 minutes outside of rush hours in the foreseeable future.

Half hour frequency towards DT in the morning with hourly frequency on the way out of Vancouver.

Hourly frequency in both directions non-peak.

Half hour frequency out of DT in the evening with hourly frequency towards DT.

Express691
Dec 10, 2015, 7:59 PM
Hi all

Not to mention, there is have a heavy rail/WCX Proposal discussion here.

http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showthread.php?t=164316&page=41

Katherine S
Dec 11, 2015, 10:35 PM
I don't know if this has already been discussed, but I thought I'd add it in case; Surrey has a proposal out now for the north end of the Surrey Central SkyTrain station. This has come out of their December planning reports (http://www.surrey.ca/city-government/18624.aspx)

http://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/PLR_7915-0361-00.pdf

Sheba
Dec 11, 2015, 11:34 PM
I don't know if this has already been discussed, but I thought I'd add it in case; Surrey has a proposal out now for the north end of the Surrey Central SkyTrain station. This has come out of their December planning reports (http://www.surrey.ca/city-government/18624.aspx)

http://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/PLR_7915-0361-00.pdf

A couple tidbits:
The scope of work will include a 19-square metre (205 sq.ft.) platform expansion at the north, with a new station house 920 square metres (9,903 sq. ft.) in size. Within the new station house, a new CRU, 82.5 square metres (885 sq.ft.) in size, is proposed at the ground level.

The new 920-square metre (9,903 sq.ft.) station house has been designed as a 2-storey pavilion.

An 82.5-square metre (885 sq.ft.) commercial retail unit (CRU) is proposed adjacent the 103 Avenue entrance, encouraging activity along the street edge. It is has been strategically placed to provide views of the station's interior activities and be near the future bus pick-up bays along 103 Avenue.

red-paladin
Dec 12, 2015, 7:20 AM
I don't know if this has already been discussed, but I thought I'd add it in case; Surrey has a proposal out now for the north end of the Surrey Central SkyTrain station. This has come out of their December planning reports (http://www.surrey.ca/city-government/18624.aspx)

http://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/PLR_7915-0361-00.pdf

Thanks for posting and welcome to the forum!

Millennium2002
Dec 12, 2015, 9:54 AM
According to the rendering, this will be the third station (after Scott Road and Burrard) to have separate fare paid zones for the elevator and the stairs / escalators. This is due to the fact that that they plan to have a public passageway in between to allow people to shortcut the corner.

My only nagging points are:
- Why are the widths of the two entrances different?
- I really hope that lime green isn't the shade of green that will be used in the final project...

Otherwise, I think this will be a cool addition to the Downtown Surrey area. Hopefully they will also reconstruct the southern entrances and deep-clean the station to its former glory as part of future phases.

Jebby
Dec 13, 2015, 4:43 AM
A couple tidbits:

Some renders from the PDF

http://i.imgur.com/Kr3iCIt.png

http://i.imgur.com/YMq4MB9.png

http://i.imgur.com/BarClcv.png

urbancanadian
Dec 14, 2015, 4:26 AM
Thanks Katherine for the info!!

Some tidbits from quickly scanning the document:
- This is only the first phase. The whole station makeover is actually quite complex, and will likely require the North Surrey Arena to go before they can move on past this. The concrete walls on the west side will butt up against future development sites.
- This phase includes a new North station house, with a new elevator, and entries from the north (103rd) and the east (City Parkway).
- Future phase to include a new South station house.
- New CRU along 103 Avenue (likely a cafe).
- Surrounding paving will be similar to, and blend in with City Hall Plaza.
- Roof to be replaced in future phase.
- Once LRT is built, the sidewalk along City Parkway will expand by 3 metres.
- Translink wants to start work in May, 2016.

Here's another render from the document:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5833/23108385474_d2f17998d4_o.jpg
http://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/PLR_7915-0361-00.pdf

officedweller
Dec 14, 2015, 11:06 PM
Nice, thanks!

Katherine S
Dec 15, 2015, 6:26 AM
Thanks for the welcome! :)

My main worry with the renovation planned in the report is the width of the sidewalk currently (that is, until the LRT gets built). With the 502 stop located not too far away, it is possible that it's going to get quite busy and crowded at that corner.

mcminsen
Dec 19, 2015, 4:11 AM
I was at Commercial/Broadway today and took these pics. The first two are looking from East 10th Ave, the 3rd - 5th are looking from Broadway, the last 3 are looking into the ravine.



Dec.18 '15, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/910/F93q46.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/paF93q46j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/908/qjByut.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/p8qjByutj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/911/STptDn.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pbSTptDnj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/633/GzY3iL.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/hlGzY3iLj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/903/jEjEYd.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/p3jEjEYdj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/633/7l2z9R.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/hl7l2z9Rj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/908/0zkoDj.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/p80zkoDjj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/903/mS4oxe.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/p3mS4oxej)

Metro-One
Dec 19, 2015, 4:18 AM
Thanks for the updates as always!

officedweller
Dec 21, 2015, 9:07 PM
Great pics, thanks!

SFUVancouver
Dec 21, 2015, 11:36 PM
Thanks for the thorough update, McMinsen.

I had to chuckle at this photo, as it looks like the guy in blue in the staircase is looking straight at you.


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/633/7l2z9R.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/hl7l2z9Rj)

vanman
Dec 30, 2015, 3:23 AM
Metrotown Station progress from earlier today.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v643/vannmann/20151229_160400.jpg

officedweller
Jan 4, 2016, 9:42 PM
Thanks, here's a couple pics by me January 2nd:

http://i.imgur.com/337XPhU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/A5xo3Ti.jpg

jhausner
Jan 5, 2016, 7:13 PM
I don't know if this has already been discussed, but I thought I'd add it in case; Surrey has a proposal out now for the north end of the Surrey Central SkyTrain station. This has come out of their December planning reports (http://www.surrey.ca/city-government/18624.aspx)

http://www.surrey.ca/bylawsandcouncillibrary/PLR_7915-0361-00.pdf


Also if you take a look at the overall site plan, they have listed on the right side "Future South Station-House" with a similar outline to the new North House at Surrey Central.

So they will eventually be redoing that side near the current bus-loop. They also have "future development" building attached to the Station looking like the new station will be more integrated with whatever building is put in place of the North Surrey Rec Center once they start to bring down the ice sheets and building in the next 5-10 years.

Page L1.1 in the above planning report.

Also of note from the project architect:

The project aims to formalize a new north station house and the long term plan is to have a south station service in from buses dropping people off and the north station for people transferring out on to buses.

So the idea is to redesign Surrey Central station eventually to have 103 AVE act as a bus route pickup so people from SkyTrain -> Buses, and the 103A Ave to South where the currnet bus loop is eventually be designed to be Buses -> SkyTrain drop off.

officedweller
Jan 5, 2016, 9:31 PM
I wonder if that would work in practice, though, since buses may bunch up (i.e. the 2nd bus in line offloads faster than a more crowded bus that's 1st in line. So the 2nd bus has to wait before it can pull ahead to load?)

hollywoodnorth
Jan 5, 2016, 10:41 PM
no surprise here but looks like the Metrotown project is behind schedule already.

tonyvan
Jan 6, 2016, 5:45 AM
Any progress or news about Joyce Station?

MIPS
Jan 7, 2016, 2:35 AM
Last I saw about two weeks ago nothing had changed at the station besides some blue fencing.

Spork
Jan 7, 2016, 3:21 AM
The construction happening right now is strictly drainage. They have removed the wooden retaining wall, installed some drainage, and built a concrete wall. Work is progressing slowly, but it will probably be done by the end of January. Hopefully there is no overlap and demolition of this latest work required when they re-do the station. Although knowing bureaucracy, the odds of this happening are pretty high.

MIPS
Jan 7, 2016, 5:07 PM
Drainage on that end has always been awful. There's basically a swamp where the old rail ROW is.

tonyvan
Jan 8, 2016, 7:26 AM
The construction happening right now is strictly drainage. They have removed the wooden retaining wall, installed some drainage, and built a concrete wall. Work is progressing slowly, but it will probably be done by the end of January. Hopefully there is no overlap and demolition of this latest work required when they re-do the station. Although knowing bureaucracy, the odds of this happening are pretty high.

Thanks for the updates. So any idea of when the actual station upgrade will begin? Translink's website still says a 2016 completion date....

Spork
Jan 9, 2016, 6:03 AM
Drainage on that end has always been awful. There's basically a swamp where the old rail ROW is.

Biodiversity?

No idea when construction will begin, let alone end. They only just finished consultations embedded in the Joyce Station area plan in mid-December. Strikes me as odd that all of that work could be completed within 12 months (including second elevator, platform roof extension, extended east station house).

Waders
Jan 9, 2016, 6:48 AM
I think 18 months to 2 years is a better estimate.
I believe the federal government funding deadline is 2017. So I would be very happy if the project is completed by end of 2017.:)

From Translink's FAQ (http://www.translink.ca/en/Plans-and-Projects/Station-and-Exchange-Improvements/Expo-Line-Upgrades/Joyce-Collingwood-Station-Upgrades/FAQs.aspx)

What is the schedule for the project?

The overall project schedule is determined by government funding deadlines, and includes the following milestones for the upgrades to the east stationhouse:

Design – complete by summer 2015
Construction Phase – summer 2015 to winter 2016 (under two years)

The project schedule is subject to change.

tonyvan
Jan 11, 2016, 12:04 AM
I think 18 months to 2 years is a better estimate.
I believe the federal government funding deadline is 2017. So I would be very happy if the project is completed by end of 2017.:)

From Translink's FAQ (http://www.translink.ca/en/Plans-and-Projects/Station-and-Exchange-Improvements/Expo-Line-Upgrades/Joyce-Collingwood-Station-Upgrades/FAQs.aspx)

Oh I saw a new board today at Joyce saying construction time is Early 2016 to Fall 2017. I will take a picture next time.

Waders
Jan 11, 2016, 3:23 AM
Oh I saw a new board today at Joyce saying construction time is Early 2016 to Fall 2017. I will take a picture next time.

Yup, I saw that too today. The board advertises the project federal funding source, Canada's Economic Action Plan (http://actionplan.gc.ca/). It must have been erected only in the last few days.

Photo I took today.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1462/24198979122_68b3388e53_b.jpg

tonyvan
Jan 11, 2016, 3:54 AM
Yup, I saw that too today. The board advertises the project federal funding source, Canada's Economic Action Plan (http://actionplan.gc.ca/). It must have been erected only in the last few days.

Photo I took today.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1462/24198979122_68b3388e53_b.jpg

Thanks for the photo. This is great!

jhausner
Jan 11, 2016, 6:18 PM
I wonder if that would work in practice, though, since buses may bunch up (i.e. the 2nd bus in line offloads faster than a more crowded bus that's 1st in line. So the 2nd bus has to wait before it can pull ahead to load?)

They'll have their own bays and I'd imagine the schedules should be staggered enough such that this would be a rarity. That said I guess we'll see how it actually turns out. We're still a ways away from them building the South portion, probably 5+ years in my estimate.

Waders
Jan 14, 2016, 3:54 AM
As part of the station upgrades at Metrotown station, work needs to be done to strengthen the platform.

Because of this, SkyTrain will be single tracking at this station as well as Patterson.

Work is scheduled for January 17 to January 28, Sundays through Thursdays from 9pm until the end of service.Buzzer Blog (http://buzzer.translink.ca/2016/01/metrotown-single-tracking-begins-january-17-2016/)

Strengthen the platform?

tonyvan
Jan 17, 2016, 1:30 AM
Some updates for Joyce Station:

Translink website was updated this week regarding this project, with specific constructions dates of late-Jan 2016 to fall 2017.
http://www.translink.ca/en/Plans-and-Projects/Station-and-Exchange-Improvements/Expo-Line-Upgrades/Joyce-Collingwood-Station-Upgrades.aspx

Also, various street markings were drawn on the ground near the east station house.
According to Translink's website:
A temporary staircase will be built in the east stationhouse in February.

Customers will only be able to exit through the east stationhouse
The west stationhouse will act as the main entrance to the station
Signs will be in place to direct customers to entrances and exits

Spork
Jan 17, 2016, 2:29 AM
I noticed this as well. Fencing has appeared (in stacks) nearby the site on Friday.

Waders
Jan 17, 2016, 6:15 PM
That basically means Joyce station east entrance will be "closed" for at least a period of time until a new staircase can be built.
I believe the temporary staircase is a fire code requirement.

Waders
Jan 18, 2016, 6:00 PM
Fencing has been erected on the west side outside Joyce station east entrance. Construction crews were doing site inspection this morning and the last few days.
Does anyone know when Wall Centre Central Park residents will move in? Since the residents are most likely to use Joyce station instead of Patterson station, the west entrance will be very busy.

Spork
Jan 19, 2016, 3:39 AM
Fencing has been erected on the west side outside Joyce station east entrance. Construction crews were doing site inspection this morning and the last few days.
Does anyone know when Wall Centre Central Park residents will move in? Since the residents are most likely to use Joyce station instead of Patterson station, the west entrance will be very busy.

A long time still to go. I would bet at least 6 months. The West side won't have any capacity problems.

Sheba
Jan 21, 2016, 5:54 AM
An update from Commercial-Broadway Station construction

https://i1.wp.com/buzzer.translink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/summaryofupgrades.png

Construction is well underway at Commercial-Broadway Station!

Upgrades to the station will improve accessibility, capacity, safety and security at one of the busiest stations in the SkyTrain system.

Buzzer Blog (http://buzzer.translink.ca/2016/01/an-update-from-commercial-broadway-station-construction/)

officedweller
Jan 21, 2016, 7:31 AM
Thanks!

This one is cool:

http://i2.wp.com/buzzer.translink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Jen4.jpg?resize=924%2C693
Pedestrian overpass steel fabrication
http://buzzer.translink.ca/2016/01/an-update-from-commercial-broadway-station-construction/

red-paladin
Jan 22, 2016, 8:46 AM
A new hoop truss is going up right now at the west end of Metrotown station.

AMTDGT
Jan 23, 2016, 4:50 AM
A new hoop truss is going up right now at the west end of Metrotown station.

i see from the camera's they are pulling the gravel trucks out of the tunnel. I guess they will be pouring concrete soon if the haven't already started.

WarrenC12
Jan 23, 2016, 5:07 AM
A new hoop truss is going up right now at the west end of Metrotown station.

According to Translink's page there are 3 phases to Metrotown:


Phase 1
Centre Stationhouse Construction – early 2015 to spring 2016

Phase 2
West Stationhouse Construction – summer 2015 to summer 2016

Phase 3
East Stationhouse Construction – spring 2016 to fall 2017


Phase 3 can't begin until one of the other two phases are done to provide access to the station. Do these timelines still look reasonable?

Sheba
Jan 23, 2016, 8:09 AM
Phase 3 can't begin until one of the other two phases are done to provide access to the station. Do these timelines still look reasonable?

TransLink also says "Design of the project was completed by December 2014, with construction is expected to begin early 2015 and continue until winter 2017." They still haven't changed the individual timelines though...

There's a large hole in the platform for the new stairs. They're going to have to move fast if they want the Center Stationhouse completed "Spring 2016" (which ok technically means anywhere between mid-March to mid-June).

Then the new West Stationhouse. The pics officedweller posted (http://forum.skyscraperpage.com/showpost.php?p=7287632&postcount=1725) show all sorts of 'stuff' under the station but it doesn't look like there's anything in place where the new stationhouse is going to go. Sure some of it will be prefab and brought to the site, but can they really have the whole thing finished by "Summer 2016" (so between mid-June to mid-Sept)? I'll have to take a good look at the station next time I'm there - maybe they've been really busy recently.

They can start on rebuilding the East Stationhouse with only the Center Stationhouse open. Sure there'll be people cranky about no escalators. If they do it right (which is always debatable) then they'll close the stairs from the ground to the ticket level and get to work on ground level first. That would give them a bit of breathing room before they shut down that whole end.

I think they're going to push off the dates on the East Stationhouse so they can concentrate on building the other stationhouses. Plus they haven't done any work on the platform level (mostly replacing the mesh panels with glass ones) and they'll have a whole bunch of paving / landscaping to do around the station and the promised divided bike path (Spring 2018 for that?).

red-paladin
Jan 24, 2016, 9:09 AM
And the second new hoop truss is up at Metrotown.

Sheba
Jan 25, 2016, 12:07 AM
I looked today and the station doesn't look much different from the pics taken about 3 weeks ago. There's more scaffolding and by the looks of it more stuff being stored under the platform now, but they're also single tracking at night to "strengthen the platform" so that could be why.

CanSpice
Jan 25, 2016, 5:38 PM
They've taken the wraps off of the two new escalators from street level at the New Westminster station (one from 8th Street, one from the bus loop). They've also installed some glass panels along the platform and removed the plywood cladding around them.

officedweller
Jan 25, 2016, 9:25 PM
And the second new hoop truss is up at Metrotown.

Thanks.

So the addition hoop trusses are to extend the roof over the existing uncovered platform end (west end) - and then they'll add the new station houses to each end...

Here are the latest renderings of Metrotown Station. I can't find the link online anymore, but they're from Translink at the December 2014 open house.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8627/16472509368_c573cd4e9b_b.jpg

Jebby
Jan 26, 2016, 12:27 AM
It sucks that they're adding more of the hoop trusses. I wish they'd remove them entirely and go with something more sleek and elegant.

Sheba
Jan 26, 2016, 2:30 AM
It sucks that they're adding more of the hoop trusses. I wish they'd remove them entirely and go with something more sleek and elegant.

Almost all of the original Expo Line stations have hoop trusses. Why would you think they'd remove a functioning roof and replace it with something prettier, esp after the plebiscite failed.

MIPS
Jan 26, 2016, 3:58 AM
The hoop trusses ARE sleek and elegant.

Metro-One
Jan 26, 2016, 4:02 AM
The hoop trusses ARE sleek and elegant.

I agree 100%

Have always liked the trusses. great design element and they are part of skytrain`s history.

Removing them would be a mistake.

Jebby
Jan 26, 2016, 4:07 AM
The hoop trusses ARE sleek and elegant.

Totally disagree.

MIPS
Jan 26, 2016, 4:12 AM
Compared to other above-ground stations like Scott Road or Lincoln station it looks really really cool and makes the stations prominent among the mid-rises that now surround most of them. Kinda needed these days since TransLink has been taking down the old unmaintained SkyTrain station signs at various corners.
Also reminds me of some old Mass Driver (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_driver) concept artwork.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/100_2013-2.jpg
Photo courtesy of MIPS

You have some bland tastes if you don't think it looks cool, or you have no imagination.

Even at age 20 when I first went to Vancouver and realized what it was my first response was..
This.....looks...so.....AWESOME!!

Sheba
Jan 26, 2016, 5:03 AM
I think we can all agree that painting them white is a mistake.

GlassCity
Jan 26, 2016, 5:30 AM
I think they're hideous but I love their 80s vibe. Stationhouses should be kept as they are unless it's really necessary to rebuild them. We have plenty of other opportunities to build nice, modern looking stations.

VancouverOfTheFuture
Jan 26, 2016, 8:22 AM
I think we can all agree that painting them white is a mistake.

yup. because with the green colour they are, they are the same green as that mold/slimy moss stuff. so you cant tell when they are filthy. but being white, they will now show ALL of that green stuff within a year and i doubt they will be cleaning them often enough, if at all. sure it may freshen it up for the first year, but it will look horrid after that.

retro_orange
Feb 4, 2016, 10:22 AM
yup. because with the green colour they are, they are the same green as that mold/slimy moss stuff. so you cant tell when they are filthy. but being white, they will now show ALL of that green stuff within a year and i doubt they will be cleaning them often enough, if at all. sure it may freshen it up for the first year, but it will look horrid after that.


I think it would be badass if they painted the old style stations in the bright primary colours that were used for expo 86. :cool: or just the simple blue and white https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5e/Expo86logo.svg/800px-Expo86logo.svg.png

Pic from https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expo_86

MIPS
Feb 4, 2016, 7:25 PM
The downtown stations all used red highlights instead of green. The only thing that was ever blue was the signage.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/oldstadium.jpg
Image courtesy of Vision Vancouver.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/IMG_3268.jpg
Image courtesy of MIPS.

officedweller
Feb 4, 2016, 9:04 PM
Those were also the BC Transit colours.

Jebby
Feb 4, 2016, 11:28 PM
Those were also the BC Transit colours.

They could use grey, as that's in the new TransLink livery.

officedweller
Feb 5, 2016, 12:00 AM
Yeah, that would hide dirt (and be better than yellow)., but may be a bit drab.

MIPS
Feb 5, 2016, 3:44 AM
Grey would be hideous. Just look at New Westminster once the renos are finished.

Sheba
Feb 5, 2016, 4:46 AM
Grey would be hideous. Just look at New Westminster once the renos are finished.

Dark grey would be bad but a light silver grey would be nice, paired with bright blue and white (like the T signs they're using now).

MIPS
Feb 11, 2016, 3:50 PM
Was back in the region again briefly so I took the time to see how the renos were going along.
As mentioned, the new hoop trusses are installed at Metrotown.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/CGS_0819.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/CGS_0820.jpg
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Images courtesy of MIPS
(This IS my drug. HNNNNNGGGGGG :slob:)

Further down the line, 29th Avenue is now completely encapsulated in plastic for painting. It feels like an art exhibit inside now with TVM's hiding in nooks, cameras sticking out of holes and just the whole building covered in saran wrap.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/CGS_0823.jpg
Image courtesy of MIPS

Progress at Broadway seems good as well. Foundations for the new bridge over the cut are now also completed.
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/CGS_0824.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/CGS_0825.jpg
Image courtesy of MIPS

Meanwhile down at Main Street that absolutely awful storebought fluorescent light that was over the elevator has now been replaced with a proper custom fixture. :)
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/CGS_0826.jpg
Image courtesy of MIPS

Later that night as I left New Westminster I spotted more tube steel frame pieces sitting in the yard. We're looking good for a new hoop over here as well it seems. :tup:
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/CGS_0827.jpg
Image courtesy of MIPS

aberdeen5698
Feb 11, 2016, 4:29 PM
Meanwhile down at Main Street that absolutely awful storebought fluorescent light that was over the elevator has now been replaced with a proper custom fixture. :)It's probably exactly the same light, just that they've now installed an enclosure around it. :P

BCPhil
Feb 12, 2016, 10:39 PM
Yeah, that would hide dirt (and be better than yellow)., but may be a bit drab.

Hiding dirt is a double edged sword.

It's like having black countertops in your kitchen: they always look clean, but that just means you have no idea how dirty they actually are.

I'm hoping the white will encourage them to perform more preventative maintenance and cleaning, something the whole system could use more of.

teriyaki
Feb 12, 2016, 10:55 PM
It's probably exactly the same light, just that they've now installed an enclosure around it. :P

And is it just me or is that light completely off-centre from the elevator opening?? :shrug:

MIPS
Feb 12, 2016, 11:12 PM
It's centered with the opening for the elevator, but not the door.
My inner OCD-ridden child is screaming but I'm just going to say I'm happy they replaced the light. :)

I'm hoping the white will encourage them to perform more preventative maintenance and cleaning, something the whole system could use more of.
Annual pressure washing of the stations would be amazing but they'd NEVER do that.

VancouverOfTheFuture
Feb 13, 2016, 1:06 AM
[I][/what is the point of these renovations? it seems pointless to me really since they aren't making the platforms longer. so many other systems have stations many years older that haven't been renovated. this just seems like a pointless waste of money to me.

i was in Main Street station and i have to say, they put so much work into it i cant believe they didn't elongate the platform. and it didn't look like they could easily do it anyways because of some pillars and stairs. in 20/30 years they will just have to do oit again while NYC's will still be 100+30 years old.

BCPhil
Feb 13, 2016, 1:25 AM
Many of the original stations were built back when the population of Metro Vancouver was about 1.2 million. Also, building stations to be accessible to people with disabilities was a bit of an afterthought. Also, Main Street was built before they fully planned the rest of the line. So there were a lot of design issues with the station.

Also, things get old and need fixing and repairs. Even New York operates on the assumption that their stations are going to need a major repair every 35 years.

WBC
Feb 13, 2016, 1:47 AM
Was back in the region again briefly so I took the time to see how the renos were going along.
As mentioned, the new hoop trusses are installed at Metrotown.



I thought that glass would replace wire mesh on Metrotown station? Is that new wire mesh temporary?

Sheba
Feb 13, 2016, 2:17 AM
I thought that glass would replace wire mesh on Metrotown station? Is that new wire mesh temporary?

If you mean the bright white mesh, that's old (but not original, which is why it doesn't look like the rest of the station). Some of the other stations have it too. You can see it on Google maps before the reno began.

Was back in the region again briefly so I took the time to see how the renos were going along.
As mentioned, the new hoop trusses are installed at Metrotown.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/CGS_0819.jpg
Images courtesy of MIPS

aberdeen5698
Feb 13, 2016, 2:18 AM
[I][/what is the point of these renovations? it seems pointless to me really since they aren't making the platforms longer. so many other systems have stations many years older that haven't been renovated. this just seems like a pointless waste of money to me.They're renovating the stations with the highest passenger volumes to provide more capacity to get people in and out of the stations. In most cases these involve additional entrances, such as the east station house at Main Street and Joyce stations. At Broadway they're adding an additional platform.

But I do agree that if they're going to spend money on renovation then it would make a lot more sense to extend the platform as well, as a first step towards a system-wide project to extend all platforms in order to be able to handle longer trains.

Main Street seems particularly egregious to me because the new station is longer but it seems like they carelessly plopped an escalator right into the space where the platform needs to be, a design that can't easily be remedied. Putting the escalator in the centre of the platform instead of at the edge beside the tracks seems like it would have made so much more sense.

Kisai
Feb 14, 2016, 12:34 AM
Many of the original stations were built back when the population of Metro Vancouver was about 1.2 million. Also, building stations to be accessible to people with disabilities was a bit of an afterthought. Also, Main Street was built before they fully planned the rest of the line. So there were a lot of design issues with the station.

Also, things get old and need fixing and repairs. Even New York operates on the assumption that their stations are going to need a major repair every 35 years.

There are three basic situations:

Downtown Underground:
The downtown stations (Waterfront, Burrard, Grandville, Stadium) are built around the CPR tunnel. So renovating/upgrading the platforms here is trivial. However when they added the faregates, they didn't add additional ways to get into or out of the station. Since they are underground they also can't reasonably be renovated without shutting down the entire station.

Broadway and Main street station, were arguably built in the wrong place.
Both stations straddle a transportation corridor, with Main street not linking up with Pacific Central's building, and Broadway being too far south to be a reasonable distance from Commercial Drive station.

Metrotown was the only station fare gates were never installed at, because due to redevelopment of Station Square, the passerelle that links Metropolis is going to be moved to a space that is between Metropolis and Station Square. The Metrotown Skytrain station actually predates Metropolis (1989 Eaton center, Sears 1986) and Station Square(1988, Save-on) (http://buzzer.translink.ca/2011/01/skytrain-historic-photos-princess-diana-visits-skytrain-and-more/). So it was inevitable that a higher capacity station has to be built.

All the other Expo station renovations are to increase the space, Joyce station already had exits at both sides of the street, but the east section was literately nothing but an escalator to the platform.

Spork
Feb 14, 2016, 1:00 AM
It is somewhat odd to me that they are expanding Joyce Station again, since it was expanded already about 2-3 years ago for the fare gates. The transportation up to the platform was not expanded, mind you, so perhaps that is the capacity problem. I wonder why they didn't do that back then?

aberdeen5698
Feb 14, 2016, 1:41 AM
Broadway and Main street station, were arguably built in the wrong place.
Both stations straddle a transportation corridor, with Main street not linking up with Pacific Central's building...My observation is that even with the new east station house at the Main Street Station there are still far more people using the west entrances than the east. So I think the station is in the best place to serve the majority of the people who use it.

WarrenC12
Feb 14, 2016, 2:16 AM
My observation is that even with the new east station house at the Main Street Station there are still far more people using the west entrances than the east. So I think the station is in the best place to serve the majority of the people who use it.

There is a ton of traffic from the buses on Main St. I would imagine the east station house being used extensively by people travelling North on Main and getting on/off the bus.

That intersection is very bad for accidents and pedestrian fatalities. The less crossing the street, the better.

MIPS
Feb 14, 2016, 3:21 AM
It is somewhat odd to me that they are expanding Joyce Station again, since it was expanded already about 2-3 years ago for the fare gates. The transportation up to the platform was not expanded, mind you, so perhaps that is the capacity problem. I wonder why they didn't do that back then?

The same reason New Westminster is being worked on right now for the second time in half a decade. Awful planning.

Waders
Feb 14, 2016, 3:45 AM
It is somewhat odd to me that they are expanding Joyce Station again, since it was expanded already about 2-3 years ago for the fare gates. The transportation up to the platform was not expanded, mind you, so perhaps that is the capacity problem. I wonder why they didn't do that back then?

The whole budget to install fare gates for all stations was estimated at about $100 million in 2011. The current Joyce station expansion budget is $26 million.
So there was not enough money to install fare gate, rebuild the stair, add up/down escalators and a elevator at the same time 4 years ago.
Also since the fare gate project was partially funded by federal government($30 million), the project scope had to be relevant.

Spork
Feb 14, 2016, 6:06 AM
The whole budget to install fare gates for all stations was estimated at about $100 million in 2011. The current Joyce station expansion budget is $26 million.
So there was not enough money to install fare gate, rebuild the stair, add up/down escalators and a elevator at the same time 4 years ago.
Also since the fare gate project was partially funded by federal government($30 million), the project scope had to be relevant.

That's fair. So by underfunding our system in the first place, we (taxpayers) have spent $5m+ doing things twice. Awesome. :yuck:

Waders
Feb 14, 2016, 7:03 AM
That's fair. So by underfunding our system in the first place, we (taxpayers) have spent $5m+ doing things twice. Awesome. :yuck:

I feel the same way too. :(
When the Joyce east station expansion is completed in Fall 2017, there is still more work left to be done in a future project.
At present there is no funding to implement the "Long Tern Vision". A road will be built on the north and east side of the east station house. That will also serve as the bus lay over area. Also bus stops for #41/43 and 28 will be moved to the east station house.

WBC
Feb 15, 2016, 1:58 AM
If you mean the bright white mesh, that's old (but not original, which is why it doesn't look like the rest of the station). Some of the other stations have it too. You can see it on Google maps before the reno began.

Thanks! I see it now - just the 2 trusses are new...

officedweller
Feb 15, 2016, 10:01 PM
The white mesh panels were safety retrofit - to prevent passengers from falling from the guideway in case a train door opened on the wrong side of the car.

Jebby
Feb 16, 2016, 12:42 AM
The white mesh panels were safety retrofit - to prevent passengers from falling from the guideway in case a train door opened on the wrong side of the car.

I think I'd rather fall off the guideway that have to look at those panels.

I'm so glad they're going to be replaced.

Sheba
Feb 16, 2016, 2:55 AM
I think I'd rather fall off the guideway that have to look at those panels.

I'm so glad they're going to be replaced.

Only at Metrotown and Joyce - Royal Oak and Patterson will still have them...

finalcoolman
Feb 16, 2016, 3:06 AM
Only at Metrotown and Joyce - Royal Oak and Patterson will still have them...

Then they should replace the mesh in those panels with glass at Royal Oak and Patterson...They are hideous.

I can't believe how cheap they were with regards to this. If they were really concerned about people falling off, they should have just spent the money to install the additional hoop trusses rather than the money wasted on these ugly contraptions.

Waders
Feb 16, 2016, 4:52 AM
Joyce station today afternoon. The green zone and tree have been bulldozed. :irked:

Photo by me

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1664/24940837482_b5f28c4400_b.jpg

Spork
Feb 16, 2016, 6:45 AM
I hope that they replant the cherry blossoms that were just to the north - somewhere around the area. That little patch with path was a pleasure to walk through the 2-3 times that I did.

Spork
Feb 16, 2016, 5:02 PM
Just passed by Commerial-Broadway. Second platform is going well. They now have the concrete poured for the full back wall and far support. Columns for the overpass are nearly finished on the South side of Broadway and the South side of the cut. Bus stops have been moved to start work on the column on the North side of Broadway. Won't be long until we see the first beams for it going up (within 2 months would be my bet).

officedweller
Feb 16, 2016, 9:42 PM
Thanks for the update!

MIPS
Feb 17, 2016, 2:34 AM
The white mesh panels were safety retrofit - to prevent passengers from falling from the guideway in case a train door opened on the wrong side of the car.

Here's a relatively older photo of Patterson before the panels were installed. I do believe that's a MK II if that helps to set a timeframe.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/skytrain.jpg
Original Photographer unknown.

Waders
Feb 17, 2016, 2:58 AM
Construction at Joyce station seems to be moving quite fast. The 'green' zone is now a big hole. Looks like this is where the temporary staircase will be built.