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Mac Write
Feb 17, 2016, 3:24 AM
it was in late 2009 I think after all the new Mark II's were in service and only 4-car Mark II's were running. I was on Mark II 4-car trains prior and it was cool having the standing there looking out over the track without the mesh there. and being on the train when it stopped and looking out the window with no mesh. Those were the days.

Spork
Feb 17, 2016, 4:01 AM
Construction at Joyce station seems to be moving quite fast. The 'green' zone is now a big hole. Looks like this is where the temporary staircase will be built.

Indeed it is. There are a number of construction trailers, two sets of scaffolding stairs to the far east of the station (pretty far away from the station, actually, and a scaffolding catwalk around the outside of the guideway. How sure are we that they won't be extending the platform in this run? These two scaffolding elements seem to point to that possibly being the case.

Waders
Feb 17, 2016, 4:35 AM
Indeed it is. There are a number of construction trailers, two sets of scaffolding stairs to the far east of the station (pretty far away from the station, actually, and a scaffolding catwalk around the outside of the guideway. How sure are we that they won't be extending the platform in this run? These two scaffolding elements seem to point to that possibly being the case.

I don't think the platform will be extended in this project. In fact once the new escalator is built, it will not be possible to extend the platform on the east side (see page 7 rendering in Information Boards (http://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documents/plans_and_projects/station_exchange_improvements/joyce_collingwood/joyce_collingwood_information_boards_december_2014.pdf)) document.
Platform extension can probably be done on the west side. The existing elevator on the west side will be rebuilt in a future project. So that would be a good time to incorporate the design to allow the platform extension.

VancouverOfTheFuture
Feb 17, 2016, 7:41 AM
it was in late 2009 I think

it was before that because on google street view in 2007 the mesh is there at Joyce-Collingwood.

on another note, you can see the remnants of a truss-arch at Joyce-Collingwood station where the end of the mesh is, even in the 2007 street view. weird, it looks like it was removed at some point.

Millennium2002
Feb 17, 2016, 3:34 PM
I see many Expo Line stations with the exposed truss mounts... which makes me believe that they were roughed in during construction.

EDIT: found a few photos via Google which appear to support my hypothesis. One of which shows a GMC Fishbowl @ Metrotown Station. But I don't think I can cross-post them due to possible copyright sensitivities.

Jebby
Feb 17, 2016, 5:01 PM
EDIT: found a few photos via Google which appear to support my hypothesis. One of which shows a GMC Fishbowl @ Metrotown Station. But I don't think I can cross-post them due to possible copyright sensitivities.

Reposting pictures is not a copyright violation...It falls under fair use.

Kisai
Feb 17, 2016, 8:20 PM
Reposting pictures is not a copyright violation...It falls under fair use.

It's better to actually link to the source. Fair use is only invoked where you add something to it, not merely download and repost.

Jebby
Feb 17, 2016, 9:14 PM
It's better to actually link to the source. Fair use is only invoked where you add something to it, not merely download and repost.

That's actually not true. Transformative or productive use of copyrighted works is only one of the many allowed uses under the fair use doctrine.

Fair use allows you to comment, criticize, report on a copyrighted work.

Things such as commercializing the work, for the most part, do not fall under fair use.

Posting a picture of a project/development/building/etc on a message board dedicated to commenting, criticizing, researching, etc those types of things, with no commercializing of the work, most definitely fall into the fair use category, especially if the original author is credited.

Kisai
Feb 17, 2016, 11:36 PM
That's actually not true. Transformative or productive use of copyrighted works is only one of the many allowed uses under the fair use doctrine.

Fair use allows you to comment, criticize, report on a copyrighted work.

Things such as commercializing the work, for the most part, do not fall under fair use.

Posting a picture of a project/development/building/etc on a message board dedicated to commenting, criticizing, researching, etc those types of things, with no commercializing of the work, most definitely fall into the fair use category, especially if the original author is credited.

The point was that the images had been removed because either:
a) the author of the images requested it
or
b) the rules of the forum specifically say to cite the copyright ownership

When posting images in the forum which are not your own you are required to provide credit to the originating website of each image.

To properly credit an image please include, above or below the image, the name of the photographer or creator of the image, plus the URL to the webpage the image originates from.

To which the poster said "I found it on Google" and not citing the source itself.

yuanh
Feb 18, 2016, 1:01 AM
Totally disagree.

I'm with you. The hoop trusses are really eye-sore, they should not be designed that way in the first place.

officedweller
Feb 18, 2016, 1:28 AM
WRT the trusses:

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgsyoqNE5q1qc7pjjo1_1280.jpg
An early rendering of Vancouver’s Advanced Light Rapid Transit System (ALRT) now known as SkyTrain, prepared by Manfred Stein of Architektengruppe U-Bahn in 1982.
This is believed to represent Nanaimo Station. The ALRT was a joint venture with Allen Parker & Associates of Vancouver.
http://illustratedvancouver.ca/post/3404898928/an-early-rendering-of-alrt

See U-Bahn Vancouver under "projects"
http://agu.at/

Axonomeric drawing of Nanaimo Station:

http://agu.at/picts/axonanaimo.jpg
http://agu.at/

MIPS
Feb 18, 2016, 2:41 AM
I see many Expo Line stations with the exposed truss mounts... which makes me believe that they were roughed in during construction.

They were. All the Expo Line stations from Broadway to New Westminster were built with at least two hoop segments or a similar length of framing on the platform missing but the foundations in place and the supports roughed in. The idea is we ran the system with two and four car trains for a few years and the unsheltered portion could remain unused and when we actually did need to start using six car sets and the MK II's we would pay to renovate all the stations at once to extend the canopy end to end. That never happened so these days we only see new hoops built and the canopy extended when it becomes critical for an overall renovation of a station. This is why some of the at-grade stations like 29th Avenue seem so oddly constructed with one end of the platform being completely finished and the other end a concrete walkway and chain link fence.
When the Surrey extension, the Millennium Line and the Evergreen line were built, the stations were nowhere near as modular in construction (the Millennium line being so literal to this that no two stations are the same) and frankly the idea was stupid so they built the canopy end to end.

Jebby
Feb 18, 2016, 3:38 AM
WRT the trusses:

http://40.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgsyoqNE5q1qc7pjjo1_1280.jpg

They don't look so bad there. Could be the fact they're painted black or maybe because they actually are an interesting architectural detail and the station is covered in glass.

Jebby
Feb 18, 2016, 3:40 AM
The point was that the images had been removed because either:
a) the author of the images requested it
or
b) the rules of the forum specifically say to cite the copyright ownership


To which the poster said "I found it on Google" and not citing the source itself.

Fair use does not require the author's permission. The author can demand that an image is removed, but if it's use falls under the fair use doctrine they have no legal recourse.

Sheba
Feb 18, 2016, 11:37 PM
Metrotown Station upgrades update (http://buzzer.translink.ca/2016/02/metrotown-station-upgrades-update/)

They're obviously behind schedule - the center stationhouse was supposed to ready to open this spring. "Continued construction of three new elevator shafts in the Centre Stationhouse, which are expected to be open towards the end of 2016."

There are some night pics (no credits listed on the Buzzer Blog)
https://i0.wp.com/buzzer.translink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Double-elevator-lowered.jpg
Up and over! The new double elevator shaft being lowered into place at Metrotown Station.

https://i2.wp.com/buzzer.translink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Double-elevator-2.jpg
Double elevator shaft being hoisted into the air.

http://i0.wp.com/buzzer.translink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Double-elevator-lowered.jpg
Double elevator shaft being lowered into place.

http://i2.wp.com/buzzer.translink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Double-elevator.jpg
Double elevator shaft being secured, prior to crane lift.


http://i0.wp.com/buzzer.translink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Hoop-truss-2.jpg
Crew member guiding hoop truss into place.

http://i2.wp.com/buzzer.translink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Hoop-truss-secured.jpg
Hoop truss being secured to station.

http://i0.wp.com/buzzer.translink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Hoop-truss.jpg
Hoop truss being lifted into place.

MIPS
Feb 19, 2016, 12:10 AM
No surprise it's behind. We've all known that was going to happen the moment they opted to keep the station completely open during the work.

BCPhil
Feb 19, 2016, 12:13 AM
They were. All the Expo Line stations from Broadway to New Westminster were built with at least two hoop segments or a similar length of framing on the platform missing but the foundations in place and the supports roughed in. The idea is we ran the system with two and four car trains for a few years and the unsheltered portion could remain unused and when we actually did need to start using six car sets and the MK II's we would pay to renovate all the stations at once to extend the canopy end to end. That never happened so these days we only see new hoops built and the canopy extended when it becomes critical for an overall renovation of a station. This is why some of the at-grade stations like 29th Avenue seem so oddly constructed with one end of the platform being completely finished and the other end a concrete walkway and chain link fence.
When the Surrey extension, the Millennium Line and the Evergreen line were built, the stations were nowhere near as modular in construction (the Millennium line being so literal to this that no two stations are the same) and frankly the idea was stupid so they built the canopy end to end.

I don't think it was stupid. It was very 80's.

Modularity was the theme of the 80's and Transportation was the theme of Expo 86. So it was brilliant on their part to build a showcase transportation system that was advanced yet practical. By having identical stations you reduced architectural costs and made it easier to source common materials in bulk. If something broke, it was easy to replace.

Most systems if you build 80m platforms, you use 80m trains from day one. That way you can schedule them less frequent and use fewer drivers. You also need fewer cab cars if you marry longer trains. But because it is automated, you can run short, frequent trains, even in the early years, at no additional operational cost, AND save on construction cost. With the savings, you can pump that money into buying more trains or extending the line 1 station further than you otherwise would have with the same budget. And on game days (or during events like Expo) you can run longer trains, then go back to the 2 car trains during regular service. Most subways you can't change the length of trains at all, ever.

If it wasn't for the odd fear of automation (from the public scared of losing their lives and from unions scared of losing jobs) Skytrain should have been much more popular around the world. Skytrain isn't obsolete, the world just wasn't ready for it, much like Electric cars from the 90's, or the Apple Newton.

officedweller
Feb 19, 2016, 12:28 AM
Thanks for posting!

MIPS
Feb 19, 2016, 12:33 AM
I don't think it was stupid. It was very 80's.

Modularity was the theme of the 80's and Transportation was the theme of Expo 86. So it was brilliant on their part to build a showcase transportation system that was advanced yet practical. By having identical stations you reduced architectural costs and made it easier to source common materials in bulk. If something broke, it was easy to replace.


I wasn't referring to it being stupid in those terms. The modularity was indeed absolutely spectacular (like literally, the parts must of been cheaper by the dozen to make). I was referring to the fact that there was a lot of speculating what would happen later and assumptions that whoever was in charge in the future would actually commit the time to expanding out and completing the stations. Even in ten years (1985-1995) an economy changed, the provincial government changed, priorities changed and so was how money was going to be spent and so in the end it took almost 25 years before even one station (Commercial-Broadway) was fully extended and another five years before it would begin on another. I doubt they were expecting it to take THAT long when they conceived the idea.

Now pardon me as I fall off the soap box.

WBC
Feb 19, 2016, 1:25 AM
Metrotown Station upgrades update (http://buzzer.translink.ca/2016/02/metrotown-station-upgrades-update/)

They're obviously behind schedule - the center stationhouse was supposed to ready to open this spring. "Continued construction of three new elevator shafts in the Centre Stationhouse, which are expected to be open towards the end of 2016."



So they are 6-9 months behind schedule on phase 1. Epic...At this pace we are looking at what...3-4 years to upgrade the station...Personally this does not bother me much even though I am using the station...However, this kind of constant inability to even remotely stick to schedule is just adding fuel to the fire for Translink critics...I can understand Evergreen line - tunneling is always tricky...I can maybe understand issues around Compass (although the solution with 1 zone bus plan could have been done a long time ago, which leads me to believe that there were other problems), but station renovations (and Metrotown is not the only one) being far behind schedule is a bit silly. It shows that either you cannot plan or that you are publishing unrealistic schedules and thus trying to bamboozle the public...I am not sure which one is worse...

MIPS
Mar 8, 2016, 1:43 PM
So it seems New Westminster is....not getting a new hoop truss.
Instead they have assembled some alternate frame that mimicked the original platform roof but supports itself and leaves the triangular mount for the truss unused.
They built two more hoops for Metrotown, was it really that hard to build one more?

retro_orange
Mar 10, 2016, 12:06 AM
So it seems New Westminster is....not getting a new hoop truss.
Instead they have assembled some alternate frame that mimicked the original platform roof but supports itself and leaves the triangular mount for the truss unused.
They built two more hoops for Metrotown, was it really that hard to build one more?

Are you saying you don't love corporate bureaucracy? ;)

mcminsen
Mar 10, 2016, 2:56 AM
Finally…. the Seymour Street entrance to Granville Skytrain station is open again. I don't recall seeing any differences though. I'll look more closely again next time I'm through.


March 9 '16, my pic
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/Oilvvk.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnOilvvkj)

Millennium2002
Mar 10, 2016, 4:45 AM
Apparently the station gate broke down at that entrance... and I think the new black fencing is supposed to be a stop-gap solution.

I really think they should just use doors instead.

Mac Write
Mar 10, 2016, 6:22 AM
Ya the symour entrance needs a major make over. glass and doors or something. they could do it for well under $1M and it would drastically improve the look and feel of the entrance.

officedweller
Mar 10, 2016, 10:37 PM
I like the openness of the entry without doors, especially if carrying parcels, etc.

BCPhil
Mar 11, 2016, 8:55 AM
Ya the symour entrance needs a major make over. glass and doors or something. they could do it for well under $1M and it would drastically improve the look and feel of the entrance.

If they put in a door, I hope they make it so homeless people can pretend to hold them open.

mcminsen
Mar 13, 2016, 6:56 AM
Okay, I've been through the Seymour entrance to Granville Station a couple of more times now and I've looked really close and the only difference I can see is this newish looking section of black grate behind the red railings. This entrance was closed for months so I was kind of disappointed to see the same old dirty and run down stairs and walls. I thought it was getting a major makeover or something. There has to be something else that would have caused them to close it for so long.


March 9 '16, my pic
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/zePG3l.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pozePG3lj)

MIPS
Mar 13, 2016, 7:01 AM
Apparently the station gate broke down at that entrance... and I think the new black fencing is supposed to be a stop-gap solution.
Isn't that the same excuse they used for that fence in front of the north entrance to Commercial-Broadway Station? That's been there for years.
http://cityhallwatch.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/commercial_stn_shut2.jpg?w=1024
Original photographer unknown

What bothers me is there is already shutter grating there. The fence isn't at all necessary.....

Plus it's now the red handrails....with the glass panels...and now the damn fence behind it. We get it. You don't want people falling over the railing in the event they somehow manage to fall over a 4' railing.

TransLink just sucks, not just with cosmetic maintenance in general.

mcminsen
Mar 13, 2016, 7:06 AM
Here is an update on the work going on at Commercial-Broadway Station.



March 12 '16, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/rI855W.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmrI855Wj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/yp71L7.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmyp71L7j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/2MFSGK.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pn2MFSGKj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/921/a3ldgK.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pla3ldgKj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/ZkV00v.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnZkV00vj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/KZRQZz.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnKZRQZzj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/q6rOaH.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poq6rOaHj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/CCiKue.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnCCiKuej)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/DBLE4T.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmDBLE4Tj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/g5S5Aq.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pog5S5Aqj)

aberdeen5698
Mar 13, 2016, 3:46 PM
Here is an update on the work going on at Commercial-Broadway Station.

Great shots, thanks!

Is the Shopper's Drug Mart closed? If so, for how long?

MIPS
Mar 13, 2016, 3:57 PM
The Shoppers Drug Mart is accessible from the side of the building still if I recall.

dharper
Mar 13, 2016, 6:50 PM
What is the purpose of installing a 3rd platform at Commercial-Broadway Station?

Spork
Mar 13, 2016, 7:15 PM
What is the purpose of installing a 3rd platform at Commercial-Broadway Station?

It is a major transfer point, so there is a lot of on/off traffic. With a third platform, people can simultaneously disembark and board - one side will be for each. This can reduce dwell time, or increase the utilization of the cars (more time to fill to capacity).

mcminsen
Mar 13, 2016, 8:35 PM
Great shots, thanks!

Is the Shopper's Drug Mart closed? If so, for how long?


The SDM is still open. The doors are at the SW corner of the store, to the west of the boarded up area.

mcminsen
Mar 15, 2016, 2:17 AM
Finally…. the Seymour Street entrance to Granville Skytrain station is open again. I don't recall seeing any differences though. I'll look more closely again next time I'm through.


March 9 '16, my pic
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/Oilvvk.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnOilvvkj)



I had yet another close look at the entrance today and the roll down gate looks all new from the inside. So, new gate and black grate behind the red railing but I still wonder why it took months to get that done.

aberdeen5698
Mar 15, 2016, 4:27 PM
I had yet another close look at the entrance today and the roll down gate looks all new from the inside. So, new gate and black grate behind the red railing but I still wonder why it took months to get that done.It's probably a custom gate that had to be ordered and manufactured.

Aroundtheworld
Mar 15, 2016, 5:08 PM
Does anybody know if they are planning on adding access to the Millennium Line platform from Grandview as part of this renovation? If not, is it planned for future renovations? I think this would remove a detour and congestion which will be needed especially when they extend the line.

Jebby
Mar 15, 2016, 5:33 PM
Does anybody know if they are planning on adding access to the Millennium Line platform from Grandview as part of this renovation? If not, is it planned for future renovations? I think this would remove a detour and congestion which will be needed especially when they extend the line.

It would be good to plan for an eventual entrance at the corner of Grandview and Commercial. Or perhaps even one at Grandview and Broadway in the far off future.

dothediu
Mar 16, 2016, 6:37 PM
Skytrain should look into having some of these vertical platform barriers installed. It could work with their different train lengths..and reduce the number of medical emergencies.

l-HrPE2K3qw?t=21s

http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0002812159

nname
Mar 16, 2016, 6:41 PM
If people really want to kill themselves, that barrier would not stop anything...

Aroundtheworld
Mar 16, 2016, 7:36 PM
If people really want to kill themselves, that barrier would not stop anything...

It wouldn't, but it would slow them down giving a bystander enough time maybe to intervene. It may also give the train enough time to stop.

Also, suicide is a fairly 'in-the-moment' thing. If it is made more difficult, the person may change their mind.

This looks like a good intermediate solution that seems fairly easy to implement.

Rico
Mar 16, 2016, 7:36 PM
If people really want to kill themselves, that barrier would not stop anything...

While I agree suicide barriers won't reduce suicides they are still worthwhile because each 'medical emergency' costs a lot in terms of reduced reliability and increased delays.

mcminsen
Mar 16, 2016, 7:43 PM
Another benefit of edge barriers on the platforms is to increase the capacity by allowing people to crowd right out to the edge which they naturally don't do when there's no barrier.

Vin
Mar 16, 2016, 8:21 PM
It's probably a custom gate that had to be ordered and manufactured.

Then they could've waited till the gate is almost ready before shutting the entrance down, if that's the case.

Vin
Mar 16, 2016, 8:25 PM
Okay, I've been through the Seymour entrance to Granville Station a couple of more times now and I've looked really close and the only difference I can see is this newish looking section of black grate behind the red railings. This entrance was closed for months so I was kind of disappointed to see the same old dirty and run down stairs and walls. I thought it was getting a major makeover or something. There has to be something else that would have caused them to close it for so long.


March 9 '16, my pic
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/zePG3l.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pozePG3lj)

Why can't this kind of fence be used more often throughout? This looks way better than the typical chain-link fences used for almost anything, including permanent barriers. One example of an ugly chain-link fence is the one used at the Nordstrom to protect some utility boxes or meters by Robson Street. Sorry a little bit of side-track there.

MIPS
Mar 16, 2016, 11:34 PM
Skytrain should look into having some of these vertical platform barriers installed. It could work with their different train lengths..and reduce the number of medical emergencies.

l-HrPE2K3qw?t=21s

http://the-japan-news.com/news/article/0002812159

Just using that single example:
-Ten seconds for the gates to rise
-Seven seconds for the doors to open

-Four seconds for gates to lower
-Ten seconds for the doors to close

We can ignore how long it took for the doors to close because that's up to the driver to do but the time it took for the gate to rise and drop back down is almost our average dwell time.

Why can't this kind of fence be used more often throughout? This looks way better than the typical chain-link fences used for almost anything, including permanent barriers. One example of an ugly chain-link fence is the one used at the Nordstrom to protect some utility boxes or meters by Robson Street. Sorry a little bit of side-track there.

I do believe they used it for the fencing along the Evergreen Line.

https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3806/19291360809_2a6b75e6eb_b.jpg
Image courtesy of the BC Ministry of Transportation

BCPhil
Mar 16, 2016, 11:45 PM
Another benefit of edge barriers on the platforms is to increase the capacity by allowing people to crowd right out to the edge which they naturally don't do when there's no barrier.

Have you ever been to Broadway-Commercial in the morning rush hour? Getting close to the platform edge to pack the platform does not seem to be a problem.

Besides, those ones seem to freak out when someone gets too close, probably to prevent your dingus from getting caught between the bars.

Also, you can't just jam platforms full of people. You need space for people on the train to get off. Or have you never been to Broadway-Commercial in the morning rush hour?

officedweller
Mar 17, 2016, 1:13 AM
I could see people rushing that type of platform barrier - trying to squeeze under it before it drops, then squeeze through the train doors...

MIPS
Mar 25, 2016, 5:13 PM
So it seems that the old "Science World - Main Street" sign has survived the renos, but where on earth is it? That doesn't look like Vancouver. ;)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/IMG_3192.jpg
Image courtesy of ???
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/IMG_3200.jpg
Image courtesy of ???

Spork
Mar 26, 2016, 12:20 AM
Nice work! How did you get the lighting so even, and what are you going to do with it now that it is done?

MIPS
Mar 26, 2016, 6:13 AM
It's fluorescent! http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/emoicons/emot-science.gif

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/IMG_3170.jpg

Neon Products Ltd. built all the original signage but they've been out of business for years so instead I had to work with photos from the demolition and figure out what arrangement worked best on my own. I had contacted the TRAMS society about it and a few other people but nobody seemed interested. Looks like it's going to hang in basement rec room for now. :(

Anyways, pardon the derail but the weather got nice enough that it could be finished.

dothediu
Mar 26, 2016, 6:46 AM
did you buy or win that sign?

MIPS
Mar 26, 2016, 3:30 PM
I contacted the procurement department and eventually I was directed towards the demo crew who got it and the rest of the metalwork they pulled out of the station as scrap.

Kisai
Mar 27, 2016, 2:40 AM
It's fluorescent! http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/emoicons/emot-science.gif

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/IMG_3170.jpg

Neon Products Ltd. built all the original signage but they've been out of business for years so instead I had to work with photos from the demolition and figure out what arrangement worked best on my own. I had contacted the TRAMS society about it and a few other people but nobody seemed interested. Looks like it's going to hang in basement rec room for now. :(

Anyways, pardon the derail but the weather got nice enough that it could be finished.

I'd probably have used LED lights (less power, brighter, won't degrade the pigments as fast), but that's still amazing.

Metro-One
Mar 27, 2016, 3:54 AM
That is so awesome.

My brain is having a problem now and I can't remember if I was actually there when you picked that up (part of an SSP meet or by some strange coincidence I know you) or if it was just here on SPP I saw you talking about it. But my brain keeps making me want to think that I actually touched it and noted on the slightly bent corner below "Street."

Am I getting that old??

officedweller
Apr 7, 2016, 11:03 PM
Check this out - from Via Architecture Twitter:

Truss for Metrotown Station posted April 6, 2016.
So the "flatter" skylight adjacent to the peaked trusses will still have a shallower peaked roof, based on the steel below:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfX2rPBVAAAqzKj.jpg:large
It's exciting to see the loop truss progress for our #Metrotown #SkyTrain Station Upgrades Project!
https://twitter.com/viaarchitecture

Here are the latest renderings of Metrotown Station. I can't find the link online anymore, but they're from Translink at the December 2014 open house.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8627/16472509368_c573cd4e9b_b.jpg

Aroundtheworld
Apr 7, 2016, 11:42 PM
Check this out - from Via Architecture Twitter:

Truss for Metrotown Station posted April 6, 2016.
So the "flatter" skylight adjacent to the peaked trusses will still have a shallower peaked roof, based on the steel below:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CfX2rPBVAAAqzKj.jpg:large
It's exciting to see the loop truss progress for our #Metrotown #SkyTrain Station Upgrades Project!
https://twitter.com/viaarchitecture

It seems like the station will be quite spectacular when the renos are done. Main St.-Science World has turned out very well in my opinion.

Spork
Apr 8, 2016, 2:08 AM
At Joyce, they have dug several holes for footings/columns and the elevator with rebar now in place. Looking at the information boards, I believe that the platform is going to be extended, as this will be required in order to meet up with where I suspect the elevator is going. This also makes sense in that there are temporary catwalks installed on the outside of the track structure itself, quite a ways down the track. It also makes sense to do an extension now and be able to leave the station alone for another 30 years.

Waders
Apr 8, 2016, 2:19 AM
It's exciting to see the loop truss progress for our #Metrotown #SkyTrain Station Upgrades Project!
https://twitter.com/viaarchitecture

Thanks for the links. It would be quite a task to transport the loop truss from the factory to the station location.

Jebby
Apr 8, 2016, 3:10 PM
Thanks for the links. It would be quite a task to transport the loop truss from the factory to the station location.

I'm surprised they didn't put it together at the station. That will be hard to transport, unless they do it by helicopter. That would be really cool to see.

officedweller
Apr 8, 2016, 9:48 PM
Thanks for the links. It would be quite a task to transport the loop truss from the factory to the station location.

Yeah, I'm curious where the factory might be located.

mcminsen
Apr 10, 2016, 4:48 AM
Here is an update on the work going on at Commercial-Broadway Station.

March 12 '16, my pics




Another update. Sorry, no pics of the ravine.


April 9 '16, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/xcoCSP.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnxcoCSPj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/921/IGegWg.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/plIGegWgj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/sEtYWX.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/posEtYWXj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/921/coh7bG.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/plcoh7bGj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/921/o90QmO.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/plo90QmOj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/KIQCxS.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poKIQCxSj)

Waders
Apr 15, 2016, 3:18 AM
The temporary "Exit Only" stair for Joyce station east station house has been moved into position.
A side panel of the existing stair had been removed. May be the upper stair portion will be retained to connect to the temporary stair?

Picture taken by me today.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1634/25831477104_6886bd8154_h.jpg

Aroundtheworld
Apr 15, 2016, 9:25 PM
Pics I took yesterday of Broadway-Commercial

http://i.imgur.com/PkLj3NQh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/RASY5hPh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/FRb0p0jh.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/J78lrOFh.jpg

officedweller
Apr 15, 2016, 9:55 PM
Thanks!

The grid looks very "trellis" like but we'll have to wait til it's all up to see the final effect.

Bdawe
Apr 15, 2016, 11:07 PM
I was down near there the other day, and notice a very narrow yellow flat car pulled by a very small diesel motor on the railway tracks, looked like they were using it to haul in a large concrete piece.

I wonder if that's part of the skytrain maintenance of way set being re-purposed to deliver things to the bottom of the cut?

trofirhen
Apr 16, 2016, 12:27 AM
https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8627/16472509368_c573cd4e9b_b.jpg
thank you to urbancanadian and officedweller

I think this new station looks quite nice; a vast improvement over the ugly utilitarian original station.

Meraki
Apr 16, 2016, 2:35 AM
Pics I took yesterday of Broadway-Commercial

http://i.imgur.com/J78lrOFh.jpg

I'm oddly spaced pillar #4. :haha:

mcminsen
Apr 21, 2016, 4:59 AM
Some more pics of Broadway/Commercial from today.



April 20 '16, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/3EV7q2.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pm3EV7q2j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/lFhYmX.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnlFhYmXj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/Dp0N1M.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmDp0N1Mj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/ik4CIK.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnik4CIKj)

officedweller
Apr 21, 2016, 7:33 AM
Nice, thanks!

sweetnhappy
Apr 21, 2016, 11:49 PM
Loving the updates. Interesting pattern for the new Broadway platform.

I did notice that the call sign of that Mark 2.5 (that's what I call them) is incorrect (should be Waterfront)... anybody know how often this happens? I'm pretty sure I've seen that at least once before.

dpogue
Apr 22, 2016, 12:39 AM
Loving the updates. Interesting pattern for the new Broadway platform.

I did notice that the call sign of that Mark 2.5 (that's what I call them) is incorrect (should be Waterfront)... anybody know how often this happens? I'm pretty sure I've seen that at least once before.

It happens all the time. I find it usually happens when the control operators alter the normal routing (like crossing a train over from Commercial Inbound to VCC-Clark Outbound for timing). It also causes the lights on the interior map to get stuck in a weird state.
If someone in the field tells them about it, they can force the train computer to update the signage.


On-topic: I am so excited to see how this lattice design comes together at Broadway :yes:

Skygazer
Apr 23, 2016, 4:57 PM
The construction site at the Metrotown Station is absolutely massive. It now stretches from McKay Avenue to a little bit west of the current station. This thing's gonna be a beast when it's done!

A few pics from the last week or so:

http://i.imgur.com/MQiPtBU.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/zB2FrKs.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/2MgNu9a.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/kY5wOn4.jpg?1

mcminsen
Apr 24, 2016, 3:46 AM
More pics of Broadway/Commercial including the rendering.



April 23 '16, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/921/7CFUzw.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pl7CFUzwj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/OciAjZ.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poOciAjZj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/MBbSYR.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnMBbSYRj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/cKBaa9.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pncKBaa9j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/jIUSFc.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnjIUSFcj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/tFCVsR.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmtFCVsRj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/Tu3Kj6.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poTu3Kj6j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/iOsIjX.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poiOsIjXj)

retro_orange
Apr 24, 2016, 3:54 AM
More pics of Broadway/Commercial including the rendering.



April 23 '16, my pics


awesome, will they be renovating the west side of the platform and add the trellis aswell? it looks great so far

MIPS
Apr 24, 2016, 6:57 AM
Nope. The trellis will be on the east side and the hoops will remain on the west.

retro_orange
Apr 24, 2016, 7:01 AM
Nope. The trellis will be on the east side and the hoops will remain on the west.

Lame. well hopefully it looks well integrated when complete. I guess the entire thing will get painted white?

officedweller
Apr 25, 2016, 8:28 PM
There's a potential plan to replicate it on the west side too. Just not now.

Note in the drawing that the steel "tree" column (now supported on an I-beam) will eventually reach ground (unless the design has changed).

The DPB report for the Broadway-Commercial renovations includes drawings of
a potential future expansion for a new platform on the west side of the station
in addition to the currently proposed east side platform
(in which case the rest of the Expo-era truss would be removed).

One option has another new passarelle over Broadway.
The other option does not and transferring passengers would have to walk around to the other passarelles or cross at grade).

http://i.imgur.com/AtFMvGA.png (http://imgur.com/AtFMvGA)
http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/committees/report-development-permit-board-1710-east-broadway-DE418037.pdf

http://i.imgur.com/cjbwAyP.png (http://imgur.com/cjbwAyP)
http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/committees/report-development-permit-board-1710-east-broadway-DE418037.pdf

http://i.imgur.com/sDcqpNt.png (http://imgur.com/sDcqpNt)
http://vancouver.ca/files/cov/committees/report-development-permit-board-1710-east-broadway-DE418037.pdf

Waders
Apr 26, 2016, 1:59 AM
Big yellow notice posted at Joyce station. The east stationhouse will be closed from May 7 until further notice.
Let's hope the closure doesn't last for 18 months.

Spork
Apr 26, 2016, 3:22 AM
Big yellow notice posted at Joyce station. The east stationhouse will be closed from May 7 until further notice.
Let's hope the closure doesn't last for 18 months.

I doubt it will. They appear to be moving at a good pace and are pretty far along in the pre-work (e.g. digging and electrical conduits and rebar columns already above ground). What do you think?

MIPS
Apr 26, 2016, 5:30 AM
Part of me is now kinda curious how they're going to deal with:

1 - The power rails will now be directly below the new platform.

2 - How they will deal with people jumping from platform to platform. Sure, there's still the IR curtains but it's not like elsewhere where there's either a dividing fence or you have to jump back again.

dpogue
Apr 26, 2016, 6:02 AM
1 - The power rails will now be directly below the new platform.

They have plastic covers above each power rail at Broadway inbound, rather than just a single cover along the whole platform.

2 - How they will deal with people jumping from platform to platform. Sure, there's still the IR curtains but it's not like elsewhere where there's either a dividing fence or you have to jump back again.

Right now it's still got the pressure plate system, but they're supposed to be retrofitting all the Expo line stations with the laser-based detectors used elsewhere on the system (as per the recommendations from the SkyTrain outages). Those wouldn't detect someone jumping from platform to platform though. :shrug:

Meraki
Apr 26, 2016, 6:49 AM
People have jumped platform-guideway-platform before (Sapperton and Brentwood once each is all I remember.) It's rare enough though it'd just be an isolated incident.

It may not even interrupt trains. IIRC the guy running from the transit police at Sapperton jumped to the guideway and the other side without stopping anything, and was met by taser shots after he ran up the escalator on the other side.

BCPhil
Apr 26, 2016, 7:13 AM
Broadway platform is almost always staffed too.

Mac Write
Apr 26, 2016, 7:21 AM
How did they handle the power rail and other issues when they had dual platforms at New Westminster? I remember taking Skytrain back then as a kid.

Can't find the photo showing both platforms being used to loading. (the TTC RT has it though).

retro_orange
Apr 26, 2016, 8:36 AM
There's a potential plan to replicate it on the west side too. Just not now.

Note in the drawing that the steel "tree" column (now supported on an I-beam) will eventually reach ground (unless the design has changed).

Sweet! thanks for that. I love the tree like roof support columns. Hopefully the renovation and additional platform will be done to the west side of the station in the near future. The station will look very sharp when all is said and done!

MIPS
Apr 26, 2016, 6:12 PM
It's on the Photobucket. ;)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/temp-plat.jpg
Image courtesy of ??Alan M.??

It might be easier to see how Kennedy Station did it when they abandoned the loop and expanded out the platform. You can clearly see it actually does just sit directly under the platform.

http://www.michaeltaylor.ca/trams/canada/3003a-04-06-04-mt.jpg
Image courtesy of michaeltaylor.ca

(lol, you have a driver)

Waders
Apr 28, 2016, 1:40 AM
Metrotown station emergency exit staircase have been fenced off.
The temporary staircase seems to be opened.

vanman
Apr 28, 2016, 10:07 PM
My pics from today.

http://i.imgur.com/fZEaxKi.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/a9j4u49.jpg?1

Shift
Apr 28, 2016, 11:42 PM
Looks pretty much the same as it did a year ago. Such a slow moving project.

hollywoodnorth
Apr 29, 2016, 12:25 AM
WOW are they sure behind. this makes the main street station delays look like it opened on time ;)

what s joke Translink you have the worst in house planners and project managers in the city. end of story.

MIPS
Apr 29, 2016, 12:35 AM
Looks pretty much the same as it did a year ago. Such a slow moving project.

Well, there's not as many trees anymore. ;)

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/IMG_7628.jpg
Image courtesy of MIPS
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a166/ballsandy/SkyTrain/IMG_7624.jpg
Image courtesy of MIPS

Waders
Apr 29, 2016, 1:57 AM
Looks pretty much the same as it did a year ago. Such a slow moving project.
Some progress are made. The emergency stair case has been removed.
The new west station house foundation construction is in full swing. From what I can see, I think the foundation is at least 50% completed.

mcminsen
Apr 30, 2016, 8:03 AM
The trellis is developing fast now at Commercial/Broadway.



April 29 '16, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/921/s1ChM0.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pls1ChM0j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/UJ5mFQ.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnUJ5mFQj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/wT1iba.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmwT1ibaj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/921/mQrI2j.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/plmQrI2jj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/921/kvGJCq.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/plkvGJCqj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/t9seDu.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnt9seDuj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/Ddnc24.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poDdnc24j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/Y0wIKp.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmY0wIKpj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/MjK8ld.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmMjK8ldj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/qt8xng.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmqt8xngj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/3kMyxN.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pn3kMyxNj)

BCPhil
Apr 30, 2016, 8:32 AM
Ha, I like how it's easier to put up the roof before you build the floor. Makes sense.

But is the trellis going to support the existing roof trusses just like that? Or do they have to do way more work there? It just seems like it will be a challenge to take down that wall because it is holding up the existing roof of the station.

But anyway, I love the trellis look. I wish it was the official design of new stations on new lines going forward.

officedweller
May 2, 2016, 8:55 PM
Thanks - looks great.


The space frame will affix to the west edge of the lattice (the overhang has triangular shapes to match the space frame).

I think that's why the lattice forms the east wall - it ties the roof down to the concrete beam below (resisting the weight of the space frame on the other side).

Couple of observations:
- wondering why the column closest to Broadway doesn't reach ground (is it temporary or for openness?)
- I guess the red column is a design feature?

Skygazer
May 3, 2016, 2:27 AM
They're putting up a series of yellow beams in the ground near Metrotown Station. Anybody know what these are for?

http://i.imgur.com/gSfVvTE.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/MnanLNg.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/CmImite.jpg

Jebby
May 3, 2016, 2:46 AM
I love the new trellis at Broadway. I wish they'd remove the old roof, though. I looks horrible.

Sheba
May 3, 2016, 3:10 AM
They're putting up a series of yellow beams in the ground near Metrotown Station. Anybody know what these are for?


I can't see anything obvious in the plans. I thought it might be for the bike room but that's supposed to be near the current entrance (and underneath the station vs next door to it). TransLink's (http://www.translink.ca/~/media/Documents/plans_and_projects/station_exchange_improvements/metrotown/metrotown_info_boards.ashx) (admittedly old) info boards don't show anything, and neither does Via Architecture (http://www.via-architecture.com/project/metrotown-station-upgrades/). Hmm maybe it's for public art... :shrug: