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Vantage
Mar 2, 2017, 7:21 AM
I don't think I've ever seen pigeons up there...:shrug:

It's doing its job then. ;)

flipper316
Mar 2, 2017, 9:51 AM
Anyone disgusted by the amount of trash by the ticket machines and at Central BlVd at Metrotown? Also what's up with that ped overpass? Are they just gonna leave it there as some sort of museum piece? It looks so unsightly and redundant seeing as peds can take the escalator down from the mall concourse to the bus loop.

Reecemartin
Mar 2, 2017, 4:18 PM
Anyone disgusted by the amount of trash by the ticket machines and at Central BlVd at Metrotown? Also what's up with that ped overpass? Are they just gonna leave it there as some sort of museum piece? It looks so unsightly and redundant seeing as peds can take the escalator down from the mall concourse to the bus loop.

I've always thought we could use a little more trash collection in certain locations. It's strange how without the walkway Metrotown station feels more like a significant separate entity rather than a station tacked onto the mall.

gillty
Mar 2, 2017, 6:27 PM
I've always thought we could use a little more trash collection in certain locations. It's strange how without the walkway Metrotown station feels more like a significant separate entity rather than a station tacked onto the mall.
It is a two way street. Sure garbage receptacles are often overflowing or not found (downtown Vancouver), but people also need have some respect and restraint regarding the environments they occupy. Unfortunately this does not seem to be the case here.

In regards to the 29th Avenue overpass, may I be the only one who thinks it looks extremely elegant?
I grew up using this station and am very satisfied with the upgrades, if only they would replace the dated platform tile work.

Reecemartin
Mar 2, 2017, 10:15 PM
It is a two way street. Sure garbage receptacles are often overflowing or not found (downtown Vancouver), but people also need have some respect and restraint regarding the environments they occupy. Unfortunately this does not seem to be the case here.

In regards to the 29th Avenue overpass, may I be the only one who thinks it looks extremely elegant?
I grew up using this station and am very satisfied with the upgrades, if only they would replace the dated platform tile work.

It would look nice if the station was all brick etc like a tube station, but I see where these guys are coming from. That aesthetic doesn't really fit with the modernist architecture of the system.

officedweller
Mar 4, 2017, 7:04 AM
From Via Architecture twitter:

Metrotown Station March 2, 2017

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C57b5wvU4AAqs69.jpg
https://twitter.com/viaarchitecture

Waders
Mar 4, 2017, 7:25 AM
From Via Architecture twitter:

Metrotown Station March 2, 2017

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C57b5wvU4AAqs69.jpg
https://twitter.com/viaarchitecture
One thing I don't like is the opening at the upper portion of the station house glass panels allows water to get inside during stormy weather.

officedweller
Mar 4, 2017, 7:34 AM
I wonder if that's to allow birds to get out?
Otherwise you'd think they'd close the gap a bit.
I doubt you'd need that large a gap to relieve air pressure.

Millennium2002
Mar 4, 2017, 1:00 PM
(sorry, nothing to see here)

cganuelas1995
Mar 4, 2017, 7:59 PM
That new bus exchange next to the ScotiaBank at Brighouse is starting to take shape, slowly. And by that, I mean a bit of asphalt has been laid down and the fence pulled back a bit.

Vin
Mar 4, 2017, 8:18 PM
Is it me or the area around Brighouse station is beginning to look so bright at night. It almost seems the station and all of No. 3 road lights have been replaced with the very bright white LED lamps.

MIPS
Mar 4, 2017, 8:51 PM
I wonder if that's to allow birds to get out?
Otherwise you'd think they'd close the gap a bit.
I doubt you'd need that large a gap to relieve air pressure.

Convection based ventilation perhaps?. They did it on Joyce when they did the Compass expansion but the top portion kept the mesh panels which yes, helps keep birds out and some of the weather.

http://www.news1130.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/sites/9/2015/05/22/CFnSnjYUkAADSrx-e1432302117581.jpg
Image courtesy of News1130

jollyburger
Mar 5, 2017, 3:30 AM
I doubt it's for birds since other station upgrades like at Main Street have closed in those top sections.

Reecemartin
Mar 5, 2017, 4:44 AM
That new bus exchange next to the ScotiaBank at Brighouse is starting to take shape, slowly. And by that, I mean a bit of asphalt has been laid down and the fence pulled back a bit.

Take pictures and post?

cganuelas1995
Mar 5, 2017, 7:19 AM
Take pictures and post?

Forgot to but I will do that when I'm commuting home and its nice and bright out. I can't be assed to do it on my commute to work but from work I can be.

Reecemartin
Mar 5, 2017, 3:02 PM
One thing that pertains to stations and that I'm quite curious about now that I think of it, are there a certain number of Skytrain/station attendants always in the system? Are there particular stations that are always attended or always not attended? I've never paid enough attention to know whether attendants I've seen were always there.

dpogue
Mar 6, 2017, 2:19 AM
One thing that pertains to stations and that I'm quite curious about now that I think of it, are there a certain number of Skytrain/station attendants always in the system? Are there particular stations that are always attended or always not attended? I've never paid enough attention to know whether attendants I've seen were always there.

Stations are not always attended, but staffing levels are generally set such that there is at least one STA for each station plus a few extras to cover for breaks, lunches, meetings, trainings, etc. During rush hour there are additional part-time staff to provide faster response to any problems (one of the recommendations from the McNeil report).

Generally the way it works is that the system is broken up into blocks containing 2 stations, and 2 staff members are assigned to each block to float back and forth between the stations. Frequently those two staff stick together as a pair for increased safety.
The exceptions I believe are Main Street, Commercial-Broadway (Expo Line), Lougheed, and Production Way. Commercial-Broadway (Millennium Line) is almost always attended because it just happens to overlap in 2 blocks, and it's also where a supervisor office and training rooms are located.

tlo
Mar 6, 2017, 2:52 AM
Is it me or the area around Brighouse station is beginning to look so bright at night. It almost seems the station and all of No. 3 road lights have been replaced with the very bright white LED lamps.
I don't know about No. 3 Road but my phone's light sensor tells me that the LED street lights elsewhere in Richmond are about twice the intensity of the lights they're replacing. The amateur astronomer in me is offended by the increased light pollution.

flipper316
Mar 11, 2017, 5:47 AM
I've been out to Metrotown station a few times recently. Anyone think with the overall pace of construction it could've been done faster if they just closed the damn station? It's not like the mall would've been hurting for traffic with the bus loop right there and giant parking lots under and over ground. And Patterson and Royal Oak are a close shuttle ride away or a somewhat close walk for people transiting.

dpogue
Mar 11, 2017, 6:14 AM
I've been out to Metrotown station a few times recently. Anyone think with the overall pace of construction it could've been done faster if they just closed the damn station? It's not like the mall would've been hurting for traffic with the bus loop right there and giant parking lots under and over ground. And Patterson and Royal Oak are a close shuttle ride away or a somewhat close walk for people transiting.

That's what they wanted to do, but Burnaby didn't consider that a valid option.

Waders
Mar 11, 2017, 6:29 AM
I don't think closing Metrotown station would be possible.
Anyway the Centre Stationhouse construction is almost completed. Hopefully it will be opened in 1 to 2 months.

Waders
Mar 11, 2017, 6:58 AM
$25 million station upgrade for Surrey Central to begin in April (http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/25-million-station-upgrade-for-surrey-central-to-begin-in-april)

Pictures from Vancouver Sun. (http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/25-million-station-upgrade-for-surrey-central-to-begin-in-april)

http://wpmedia.vancouversun.com/2017/03/surrey-b-c-march-10-2017-surrey-central-skytrain-statio.jpeg?quality=55&strip=all&w=840&h=630&crop=1

http://wpmedia.vancouversun.com/2017/03/surrey-b-c-march-10-2017-surrey-central-skytrain-statio1.jpeg?quality=55&strip=all&w=840&h=630&crop=1

VancouverOfTheFuture
Mar 11, 2017, 8:09 AM
http://wpmedia.vancouversun.com/2017/03/surrey-b-c-march-10-2017-surrey-central-skytrain-statio1.jpeg?quality=55&strip=all&w=840&h=630&crop=1

why are there so many fare-gates in this station, yet so few at the busiest stations... including Canada-Line.

Millennium2002
Mar 11, 2017, 10:01 AM
Some more renders that I found... direct from the architect's website:

http://www.officemb.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Surrey-Central-DP-Int-Render-03-East-Soffit-w-White-Soffit.jpg

http://www.officemb.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Surrey-Central-DP-Render-01-EAST-w-WHITE-SOFFIT.jpg

http://www.officemb.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Surrey-Central-DP-Render-02-WEST.jpg

http://www.officemb.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Surrey-Central-DP-Int-Render-01-Concourse-North.jpg

http://www.officemb.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Surrey-Central-DP-Int-Render-02-Concourse-South.jpg

mcfarlane biggar architects + designers
http://www.officemb.ca/

why are there so many fare-gates in this station, yet so few at the busiest stations... including Canada Line.

It's hard to compare between retrofitting older stations and building anew...

The Canada Line stations were retrofitted with fare-gates as part of a multi-station compatibility upgrade scheme. The scope of that particular project was just to add fare-gates as quickly and cheaply as possible given the budget, forecasts, specs, and timelines that they had at the time.... There was some work done to expand various Expo Line station enclosures to make them all fit indoors, but anything outside of that narrow scope (e.g. future-proofing) was basically not considered.

Perhaps in a decade or two, we'll see the station upgrades move on towards the Millennium and Canada Lines to fix the bottlenecks that were induced by the initial round of fare-gates...

Whalleyboy
Mar 11, 2017, 10:49 AM
Why are they using canada line trains in the photos? lol

mcminsen
Mar 11, 2017, 1:01 PM
Buzzer blog post about the Commercial pedestrian walkway renovations (http://buzzer.translink.ca/2017/02/upgrades-to-the-commercial-broadway-pedestrian-walkway-are-underway/).

Concept art from the post:
http://i2.wp.com/buzzer.translink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/Rendering.jpg

I'm really hoping that it turns out matching that design. I love the slight callback to the Expo stations' hoop truss design in the beams across the ceiling.


Commercial - Broadway Station -

Pics by me today:
(No visible changes since McMinsen's Nov 30 shots - maybe some more scaffolding below).

The steel substructure here (diagonal beams) must be for the escalator machinery (for the escalator from above).
Looks like the escalator will be set on a diagonal (see pic above), which also explains the diagonal beam in the corner of the bridge.

http://i.imgur.com/8DidDdC.jpg




Not much change since officedweller's post from December 30th. The glass walls of the old bridge have been boarded up.



March 10 '17, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/VDsvMF.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poVDsvMFj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/9QKOLy.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pm9QKOLyj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/qFUV8Q.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnqFUV8Qj)

flipper316
Mar 12, 2017, 5:54 AM
$25 million station upgrade for Surrey Central to begin in April (http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/25-million-station-upgrade-for-surrey-central-to-begin-in-april)

Pictures from Vancouver Sun. (http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/25-million-station-upgrade-for-surrey-central-to-begin-in-april)

http://wpmedia.vancouversun.com/2017/03/surrey-b-c-march-10-2017-surrey-central-skytrain-statio.jpeg?quality=55&strip=all&w=840&h=630&crop=1

http://wpmedia.vancouversun.com/2017/03/surrey-b-c-march-10-2017-surrey-central-skytrain-statio1.jpeg?quality=55&strip=all&w=840&h=630&crop=1

Are they actually going to be ripping up and re-doing the faregates at that station or is that just some wrong render.

flipper316
Mar 12, 2017, 5:58 AM
So what's gonna happen when LRT comes online? Are the stations going to integrated like they are at Commercial Broadway? Seems kind of silly to be doing this now when LRT hasn't been finalized.

jollyburger
Mar 12, 2017, 6:10 AM
So what's gonna happen when LRT comes online? Are the stations going to integrated like they are at Commercial Broadway? Seems kind of silly to be doing this now when LRT hasn't been finalized.

Wouldn't LRT be running down the middle of the street making whatever station improvements completely independent?

Waders
Mar 12, 2017, 6:33 AM
Are they actually going to be ripping up and re-doing the faregates at that station or is that just some wrong render.

The faregate will be redone.

Millennium2002
Mar 12, 2017, 8:21 AM
Are they actually going to be ripping up and re-doing the faregates at that station or is that just some wrong render.
The faregate will be redone.

This is a new north side entrance... nothing will be ripped out from the existing south side entrances... or at least I hope...

There could be a phase two of this that involves rebuilding the south side to align with the new street grid, but that will most likely happen down the road in a few years or more.

Whalleyboy
Mar 12, 2017, 8:59 AM
This is a new north side entrance... nothing will be ripped out from the existing south side entrances... or at least I hope...

There could be a phase two of this that involves rebuilding the south side to align with the new street grid, but that will most likely happen down the road in a few years or more.

That exactly what the plan is. This side will be done first to line up with 103 ave which is the new road right along the city plaza which will go right thru once 3 civic plaza is done. This road will also be the new bus pick up area in place of the bus loop. After this one is done it is likely the other side will be torn down and be rebuilt to line up with the new 102A ave which will act as the bus drop off route.

Millennium2002
Mar 12, 2017, 12:01 PM
That exactly what the plan is. This side will be done first to line up with 103 ave which is the new road right along the city plaza which will go right thru once 3 civic plaza is done. This road will also be the new bus pick up area in place of the bus loop. After this one is done it is likely the other side will be torn down and be rebuilt to line up with the new 102A ave which will act as the bus drop off route.

Right... but the others seem to think this will happen immediately... which according to the renders is incorrect.

Kisai
Mar 12, 2017, 9:50 PM
Wouldn't LRT be running down the middle of the street making whatever station improvements completely independent?

Just wait until they have to triple the transit police force just to ticket jaywalkers.

SpongeG
Mar 13, 2017, 3:38 AM
will the 3rd platform at broadway have street access/connection on the south side or is it just going to be for people transferring to the m-line?

I was talking with my friend the other day he had no idea what was going on and wondered why the station was all boarded up for so long.

madog222
Mar 13, 2017, 4:26 AM
will the 3rd platform at broadway have street access/connection on the south side or is it just going to be for people transferring to the m-line?


It will have access to the original south part of the station.

SpongeG
Mar 13, 2017, 4:29 AM
ok thanks.

jollyburger
Mar 13, 2017, 5:05 AM
Just wait until they have to triple the transit police force just to ticket jaywalkers.

Just let a few of them get run over and people will use common sense. :D

MIPS
Mar 13, 2017, 7:25 PM
Why are they using canada line trains in the photos? lol

Didn't you hear?
Adam and RailForTheValley successfully lobbied to convert the entire SkyTrain system to the Rotem technology as Bombardier's design is old, expensive and proprietary. They tried for an LRT conversion but ran into regional opposition in everywhere except Surrey.
They also persuaded the whole conversion to be paid for by annual fare revenue. The new multi-zone $6, $10 and $15 rates go into effect on September 1. ;)

Kisai
Mar 14, 2017, 6:35 AM
Didn't you hear?
Adam and RailForTheValley successfully lobbied to convert the entire SkyTrain system to the Rotem technology as Bombardier's design is old, expensive and proprietary. They tried for an LRT conversion but ran into regional opposition in everywhere except Surrey.
They also persuaded the whole conversion to be paid for by annual fare revenue. The new multi-zone $6, $10 and $15 rates go into effect on September 1. ;)

Hahaa...

The only problem with that remark is that RFTV/Malcom hates everything but the Interurban. Their modus operendi is getting a slow train that nobody will commute on so they will have it for themselves.

Anyway my predictions for Surrey, assuming no last minute technology change post-election is that the costs for the LRT will far outstrip the cost of extending the Skytrain by 20-50%, and hopefully that ends all future LRT boondoggle projects.

Shift
Mar 14, 2017, 7:08 PM
why are there so many fare-gates in this station, yet so few at the busiest stations... including Canada-Line.

You clearly don't frequent Surrey Central Station often. This is one of the busiest stations. Every train that arrives any time of day or week has near rush-hour sized crowds exiting.

Also any time of day or week the platform is always crowded waiting for a train. This is the main transfer point for the majority of South Fraser buses.

VancouverOfTheFuture
Mar 14, 2017, 8:13 PM
You clearly don't frequent Surrey Central Station often. This is one of the busiest stations. Every train that arrives any time of day or week has near rush-hour sized crowds exiting.

Also any time of day or week the platform is always crowded waiting for a train. This is the main transfer point for the majority of South Fraser buses.

I've never been, i don't go to Surrey. but according to boarding data it is the 13th busiest, and just behind the Canada-Line station Broadway-City Hall. it has 5 fare-gates.

jbrizzy
Mar 14, 2017, 8:41 PM
I've never been, i don't go to Surrey. but according to boarding data it is the 13th busiest, and just behind the Canada-Line station Broadway-City Hall. it has 5 fare-gates.

The number of faregates at the Canada Line stations do seem unexplainably low.. Langara with 3 ?? Only 5 at Broadway ? That dumb gap in the middle of the gates at VCC ? Waterfront with 1 into the platform and 2 out of it ? :shrug:

I feel like they should've given every station at least 4, and sacrificed one of the wide ones if it meant fitting 2 regular gates..

Side note: I watched somewhat walk right up to one of the wide gates at Surrey Central and push his way through with relatively little effort.. They a lot easier to open, as well as follow someone through, than the smaller gates.

Jebby
Mar 14, 2017, 10:14 PM
I've never been, i don't go to Surrey.
Smart man.

but according to boarding data it is the 13th busiest, and just behind the Canada-Line station Broadway-City Hall. it has 5 fare-gates.
I would have thought it'd easily be in the top 10.

Shift
Mar 14, 2017, 11:15 PM
I've never been, i don't go to Surrey. but according to boarding data it is the 13th busiest, and just behind the Canada-Line station Broadway-City Hall. it has 5 fare-gates.

Well you seem to be in a good position to comment on Surrey then.

The problem with the current boarding data is that it is pre-compass system and based on a single day of observation for the most recent 2015 stats. They also don't have weekend data.
It will be interesting to see how the numbers compare once this is updated using compass data.

I can assure you from taking the SkyTrain to and from Surrey Central on a regular basis, and seeing the entire expo line in comparison along the way, that it is well above most stations in passenger volume. I would say the only other stations I see more or similar amounts of people exiting/boarding at are Granville, Burrard, Broadway, and Metrotown.

http://www.translink.ca/en/Plans-and-Projects/Managing-the-Transit-Network/Transit-Service-Performance-Review.aspx

http://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documents/plans_and_projects/managing_the_transit_network/2015%20TSPR/2015%20TSPR%20Appendix%20F2%20Rail%20Station%20Summaries%20Expo%20Line.pdf

Sheba
Mar 14, 2017, 11:31 PM
The problem with the current boarding data is that it is pre-compass system and based on a single day of observation for the most recent 2015 stats. They also don't have weekend data.
It will be interesting to see how the numbers compare once this is updated using compass data.

I can assure you from taking the SkyTrain to and from Surrey Central on a regular basis, and seeing the entire expo line in comparison along the way, that it is well above most stations in passenger volume. I would say the only other stations I see more or similar amounts of people exiting/boarding at are Granville, Burrard, Broadway, and Metrotown.


I'm waiting on them releasing the 2016 data so we can really compare too. I've ridden all three lines and Expo has obviously been the busiest - so it's no surprise that the data they've released so far backs that up.

Also Surrey Central is one of the stations where you'll see a surge of people when a bus arrives and then it calms down until the next bus arrives, while for the downtown Van stations that doesn't happen.

That said, here's all the stations that have Avg. Daily Station Entries over 10,000

1. Commercial-Broadway
2. Metrotown
3. Burrard / Granville (tie)
4. Waterfront (Expo Line)
5. Van City Centre
6. Joyce
7. Lougheed
8. Stadium
9. Waterfront (Canada Line)
10. Main St
11. King George
12. Columbia
13. Surrey Central
14. Broadway-City Hall
15. Edmonds
16. Bridgeport

Shift
Mar 14, 2017, 11:39 PM
I'm waiting on them releasing the 2016 data so we can really compare too. I've ridden all three lines and Expo has obviously been the busiest - so it's no surprise that the data they've released so far backs that up.

Also Surrey Central is one of the stations where you'll see a surge of people when a bus arrives and then it calms down until the next bus arrives, while for the downtown Van stations that doesn't happen.

That said, here's all the stations that have Avg. Daily Station Entries over 10,000

1. Commercial-Broadway
2. Metrotown
3. Burrard / Granville (tie)
4. Waterfront (Expo Line)
5. Van City Centre
6. Joyce
7. Lougheed
8. Stadium
9. Waterfront (Canada Line)
10. Main St
11. King George
12. Columbia
13. Surrey Central
14. Broadway-City Hall
15. Edmonds
16. Bridgeport

The data to support this list seems pretty flimsy though. According to TransLink: "Data was collected by physical observation on a single weekday in the autumn of 2011. The stations were not surveyed on the same day."

I don't agree that Surrey Central is just busy when a bus comes in. I walk to the station, and arrive at completely random times throughout the week, and it is always consistently busy. There are so many bus bays around Surrey Central that there are constantly buses coming and going. Also high foot traffic from the surrounding neighbourhood - SFU / Central City Mall/Office Tower, and now Condos.

MIPS
Mar 14, 2017, 11:53 PM
I feel like they should've given every station at least 4, and sacrificed one of the wide ones if it meant fitting 2 regular gates..

Remember the folks who said the faregates as-is were not designed for the disabled? Remember how none of them were actually disabled and those who were were either not complaining or didn't take transit anyways?

TransLaink's offices would be raided by yuppies with torches and pitchforks if they did that. :runaway:

Meraki
Mar 15, 2017, 3:36 AM
Nothing like trying to commute out of Downtown on a weekday morning and they haven't set a one way in-gate at Granville. :P

For some reason the days they don't set it I happen to arrive just as a train has unloaded and passing through.

dpogue
Mar 15, 2017, 3:44 AM
The number of faregates at the Canada Line stations do seem unexplainably low.. Langara with 3 ?? Only 5 at Broadway ? That dumb gap in the middle of the gates at VCC ? Waterfront with 1 into the platform and 2 out of it ? :shrug:

I feel like they should've given every station at least 4, and sacrificed one of the wide ones if it meant fitting 2 regular gates..

Canada Line stations were designed with fare gates in mind, probably based on original (low) passenger estimates

Sheba
Mar 15, 2017, 3:55 AM
Nothing like trying to commute out of Downtown on a weekday morning and they haven't set a one way in-gate at Granville. :P

For some reason the days they don't set it I happen to arrive just as a train has unloaded and passing through.

Edmonds tends to have half of the gates as one way out-gates but there are no one way in-gates. The problem is most people transferring to the bus use the two way gates, so you're stuck waiting for them to clear while most of the one way out-gates aren't being used.

Reecemartin
Mar 16, 2017, 2:45 AM
Ideally, as time goes by they might reconfigure the gates if they are facing serious issues. We definetly are lacking in terms of numbers.

Hopefully they also work on improving the direction optimization, though in general the gates seem to share many of the flaws of the recent ones in Toronto, in that they open a tad too slow. Hopefully when faregates 2.0 is a thing we can go for models similar to what they have in Japan where they have the "innocent until proven guilty" gates. Basically the gate is quite a bit longer and remains open unless you try to walk through without tapping in which case it closes in front of you. It's way more time efficient this way.

cganuelas1995
Mar 16, 2017, 7:03 AM
That bus exchange at brighouse is looking like it's taking shape. Would've taken a picture but it was too dark when I came home today.

officedweller
Mar 16, 2017, 7:48 AM
By Yellow Fever taken March 9th:

Metrotown Station

https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2874/32551034153_e786b691f3_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/RAqyoM)20170309_072516 (https://flic.kr/p/RAqyoM) by Yellow Fever @ SkyscraperCity (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52692029@N04/), on Flickr

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https://c1.staticflickr.com/3/2816/33365330145_b2f1834b0a_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/SQo3dR)20170309_072618 (https://flic.kr/p/SQo3dR) by Yellow Fever @ SkyscraperCity (https://www.flickr.com/photos/52692029@N04/), on Flickr

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flipper316
Mar 16, 2017, 1:15 PM
The number of faregates at the Canada Line stations do seem unexplainably low.. Langara with 3 ?? Only 5 at Broadway ? That dumb gap in the middle of the gates at VCC ? Waterfront with 1 into the platform and 2 out of it ? :shrug:

I feel like they should've given every station at least 4, and sacrificed one of the wide ones if it meant fitting 2 regular gates..

Side note: I watched somewhat walk right up to one of the wide gates at Surrey Central and push his way through with relatively little effort.. They a lot easier to open, as well as follow someone through, than the smaller gates.

The scumbags figured that out on day 1 of compass operations. Saw someone do that at Moody Centre station. Which is weird cuz Port Moody is a relatively well to do city. Who can't afford transit there.

Reecemartin
Mar 19, 2017, 4:02 AM
An interesting aside, Amazon recently put their first "locker" in Canada in New West. The basically let people have their stuff delivered faster to a central location where they can enter a pin to pick it up, pretty convenient depending on your situation and what you are ordering... Would be cool to see these at Skytrain stations in the future, a good way to draw more people in.

GeeCee
Mar 19, 2017, 7:10 AM
An interesting aside, Amazon recently put their first "locker" in Canada in New West. The basically let people have their stuff delivered faster to a central location where they can enter a pin to pick it up, pretty convenient depending on your situation and what you are ordering... Would be cool to see these at Skytrain stations in the future, a good way to draw more people in.

I saw that reddit post as well (and posted in the comments), but from searching around for other Amazon locker locations, I see that there is at least one in Burnaby, one in Surrey in Guildford Town Centre, and a second one in New West (though the one in the picture in question doesn't appear to be in service yet).

VancouverOfTheFuture
Mar 19, 2017, 9:01 AM
i really wish, for these renovations, they had left everything the same and just added on using the same architecture. it would have been so cheap, it was all prefab and identical across the system; it is like lego.

MIPS
Mar 22, 2017, 1:26 AM
i really wish, for these renovations, they had left everything the same and just added on using the same architecture. it would have been so cheap, it was all prefab and identical across the system; it is like lego.

The complaint was that it looked dated. That part is subjective but yes, when you run into stations where you are seeing in some cases three different eras of designs (space frame, curves and sharp edged) thought up by different firms it starts to look really ugly. Those unused foundations and rough-ins from the original station plans to expand will never go away. :(

dpogue
Mar 22, 2017, 5:36 AM
The Compass thread is closed, so I guess this is the next best place: TransLink has selected a company to do a pilot of proximity-based accessible gates in 3 SkyTrain stations, with the option of extending to all SkyTrain, Canada Line, and SeaBus stations if the pilot is successful. Notice of Intent (http://www.translink.ca/-/media/Documents/about_translink/doing_business_with_translink/bidding_opportunities/Q17%20054/TL%20%20Notice%20of%20Intent.pdf) was just posted recently.

DKaz
Mar 22, 2017, 7:07 PM
Metrotown Station's Central Stationhouse is opening March 24.

http://buzzer.translink.ca/2017/03/metrotown-station-elevator-is-open-for-business-on-march-24-2017/
http://i1.wp.com/buzzer.translink.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/03/IMG_3298.jpg?resize=480%2C640

aberdeen5698
Mar 22, 2017, 7:51 PM
Metrotown Station's Central Stationhouse is opening March 24.
Forgive me for not keeping up with the changes, but does this mean that the east stationhouse is now closed permanently? I had always just assumed that it would eventually reopen but what I'm seeing is at odds with that.

Mac Write
Mar 22, 2017, 8:40 PM
East station house is being rebuilt to the same design as the west station how (4 escalators to/from platform).

Reecemartin
Mar 23, 2017, 1:31 AM
It's interesting how we are starting to see two classes of Innovia Ksytrain stations, imo the renovated ones are incredibly good pretty much up to the specs of the Evergreen Line, sans improved guideway intrusion detection unless I'm wrong?

WBC
Mar 23, 2017, 2:26 AM
Forgive me for not keeping up with the changes, but does this mean that the east stationhouse is now closed permanently? I had always just assumed that it would eventually reopen but what I'm seeing is at odds with that.

East stations completely gone - there is not a stone left :-)

But as somebody pointed out previously it is being re-built - at this point they are working on new foundations.

SpongeG
Mar 23, 2017, 3:13 AM
what it says...

Yes, you read that right. The first two of three brand new elevators will go into service at noon on March 24, 2017.

And hey, these aren’t just any old elevators! These two new speedy elevators are glass (and shiny!) which means you can see them coming and going. They will replace the single elevator that was at the station. Once the remaining elevator completes testing, commissioning and inspecting, it will also open. All elevators are expected to be open by May.

In addition to new elevators, the existing Compass readers will be replaced with permanent Compass fare gates.

This is a huge milestone for the station! The new central stationhouse will fully open, providing customers with a new permanent set of stairs (goodbye temporary staircase!), two more Compass Vending Machines, two elevators and a new entrance and exit out of the station.

With these upgrades, customers on the platform can take the elevator, new stairs or the emergency exit stairs on the west side of the station to access Central Boulevard.

http://buzzer.translink.ca/2017/03/metrotown-station-elevator-is-open-for-business-on-march-24-2017/

dpogue
Mar 23, 2017, 3:14 AM
It's interesting how we are starting to see two classes of Innovia Ksytrain stations, imo the renovated ones are incredibly good pretty much up to the specs of the Evergreen Line, sans improved guideway intrusion detection unless I'm wrong?

That is correct. I'd have to check back in the Board Meeting reports to remember whether they're planning to replace the intrusion detection system on the Expo Line.

Tangentially related to that and system updates, there's a new TV screen at the bottom of the escalators at Waterfront on the Cordova side that displays the next arriving/departing trains and their destinations. It's similar to the ones in the ticket hall areas of Evergreen stations.

Vantage
Mar 23, 2017, 4:10 AM
Tangentially related to that and system updates, there's a new TV screen at the bottom of the escalators at Waterfront on the Cordova side that displays the next arriving/departing trains and their destinations. It's similar to the ones in the ticket hall areas of Evergreen stations.

Well that's good news. Does the TV display departure times like on the Evergreen Line?

What do you mean by the Cordova side? Do you mean the exit that goes up into Waterfront Station (fronted by Cordova) or the exit that goes up to Howe near Cordova?

Meraki
Mar 23, 2017, 4:15 AM
Well that's good news. Does the TV display departure times like on the Evergreen Line?

Yeah, basically same format as the Evergreen Line.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3850/33523428156_44f1b7a6b7_b.jpg

Photo by https://www.flickr.com/photos/ian_yvr/

ryanmaccdn
Mar 23, 2017, 4:22 AM
Yeah, basically same format as the Evergreen Line.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3850/33523428156_44f1b7a6b7_b.jpg

Photo by https://www.flickr.com/photos/ian_yvr/

Bothers me that whomever is the programmer/designer of the PID software didn't account for terminus station situations... aka no need for the platform 1 cell. Even more odd as terminus stations utilize this system the most....:koko:

jbrizzy
Mar 23, 2017, 4:26 AM
https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3850/33523428156_44f1b7a6b7_b.jpg



The blue E !!

casper
Mar 23, 2017, 4:26 AM
An interesting aside, Amazon recently put their first "locker" in Canada in New West. The basically let people have their stuff delivered faster to a central location where they can enter a pin to pick it up, pretty convenient depending on your situation and what you are ordering... Would be cool to see these at Skytrain stations in the future, a good way to draw more people in.

It is not the first locker installed in Canada. There are two other companies that are doing similar things (InPost and OMNION) :

https://inpost24.ca/ and http://omnioninc.com

A little bit different but very similar concept is what Penguin Pickup is also doing: https://www.penguinpickup.com/

Meraki
Mar 23, 2017, 4:30 AM
Bothers me that whomever is the programmer/designer of the PID software didn't account for terminus station situations... aka no need for the platform 1 cell. Even more odd as terminus stations utilize this system the most....:koko:

Seems to be some Daktronics System. (http://www.data-display.com/evergreen-extension)

Waders
Mar 23, 2017, 4:45 AM
Bothers me that whomever is the programmer/designer of the PID software didn't account for terminus station situations... aka no need for the platform 1 cell. Even more odd as terminus stations utilize this system the most....:koko:

Although most of the time platform 2 is used for departing train, I have encountered a few occasions trains would enter platform 1 and then reverse direction without looping back to platform 2. In that situation, the display would use the platform 1 cell.

Spork
Mar 23, 2017, 4:47 AM
Bothers me that whomever is the programmer/designer of the PID software didn't account for terminus station situations... aka no need for the platform 1 cell. Even more odd as terminus stations utilize this system the most....:koko:

Trains do depart from Platform 1 from time to time, just as they arrive at Platform 2 from time to time. Not terribly useful, but not without use either. The font is large enough for 99% of the population, so no harm.

dpogue
Mar 23, 2017, 6:02 AM
Yeah, basically same format as the Evergreen Line.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/4/3850/33523428156_44f1b7a6b7_b.jpg

Photo by https://www.flickr.com/photos/ian_yvr/

Why does Waterfront get an actual TV display, and the Evergreen stations get low-res displays that don't look nearly as good? :yuck:

http://images.dailyhive.com/20161202152658/skytrain-evergreen-station-36.jpg
Photo: Kenneth Chan, Daily Hive (http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-evergreen-line-station-photos)

casper
Mar 23, 2017, 6:05 AM
Why does Waterfront get an actual TV display, and the Evergreen stations get low-res displays that don't look nearly as good? :yuck:

http://images.dailyhive.com/20161202152658/skytrain-evergreen-station-36.jpg
Photo: Kenneth Chan, Daily Hive (http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/skytrain-evergreen-line-station-photos)

Perhaps one is designed for indoor installations and the other for outdoor installations. That Evergreen display looks like it has a more substantial housing on it. Would not be surprised if it is even more expensive.

red-paladin
Mar 23, 2017, 6:12 AM
The Evergreen Line displays will probably last 30 years, unlike that TV.

Reecemartin
Mar 23, 2017, 12:25 PM
It's excellent to see this, would be good if we got these displays in more stations particularly on the Canada Line and during station renovations in the future. I'd like to see a second and maybe third display added to show next bus departures similar to Toronto as well.

Metro-One
Mar 23, 2017, 12:35 PM
It's excellent to see this, would be good if we got these displays in more stations particularly on the Canada Line and during station renovations in the future. I'd like to see a second and maybe third display added to show next bus departures similar to Toronto as well.

All the Canada Line stations already have next 3 trains' arrival times and destinations displayed.

It was the first stations to have them.

No need to change them.

These new displays on the M / E Lines are just playing catchup, but with technology that is 8 years newer, hence the arguably more polished displays.

Replacing all the Canada Line displays would be a huge waste of money and resources.

Reecemartin
Mar 23, 2017, 1:05 PM
All the Canada Line stations already have next 3 trains' arrival times and destinations displayed.

It was the first stations to have them.

No need to change them.

These new displays on the M / E Lines are just playing catchup, but with technology that is 8 years newer, hence the arguably more polished displays.

Replacing all the Canada Line displays would be a huge waste of money and resources.

I'm referring more to in the station concourse not on the platform.

Metro-One
Mar 23, 2017, 2:16 PM
I feel that such signs in the station concourse are only really useful at hubs / major destinations.

Of the top of my head the stations that 100% require such signs are Waterfront and Commercial / Broadway (Maybe Lougheed as well). In the future the same will be true for Broadway / Cambie when the Broadway Subway opens.

Reecemartin
Mar 23, 2017, 3:27 PM
I feel that such signs in the station concourse are only really useful at hubs / major destinations.

Of the top of my head the stations that 100% require such signs are Waterfront and Commercial / Broadway (Maybe Lougheed as well). In the future the same will be true for Broadway / Cambie when the Broadway Subway opens.

I think a case can be made for Surrey Central, Metrotown, and Bridgeport as well considering how important all of those stations have become.

CanSpice
Mar 23, 2017, 3:36 PM
I feel that such signs in the station concourse are only really useful at hubs / major destinations.

Of the top of my head the stations that 100% require such signs are Waterfront and Commercial / Broadway (Maybe Lougheed as well). In the future the same will be true for Broadway / Cambie when the Broadway Subway opens.

Transfer points? It'd make things clearer at Columbia, that's for sure.

Metro-One
Mar 23, 2017, 3:51 PM
Those are all stations that arguably do deserve them as well, but they are second tier stations of importance for this particular feature IMO (on say, a 4 of 5 tier system).

For example, Bridgeport and Columbia are transfer points, but they still only utilize 2 platforms, so they are not as complicated or dynamic as Waterfront (2 separate skytrain stations, WCE, Seabus), Broadway & Commercial (4 platforms) or Lougheed (3 platforms) where such platform info is far more important at the concourse level.

aberdeen5698
Mar 23, 2017, 4:51 PM
Replacing all the Canada Line displays would be a huge waste of money and resources.
Sigh. While I completely agree with you, part of me still misses the early days of the Expo line when the entire system was completely uniform. We'll never see those halcyon days again... :(

MIPS
Mar 23, 2017, 7:21 PM
The Evergreen Line displays will probably last 30 years, unlike that TV.

I second this. You don't need an LCD panel to display trains and times and we already know they've used the alternative during the upgrades so it doesn't make any sense unless they're literally shopping around between installation contracts which is incredibly stupid.
I give that five years before it's either replaced due to a failed backlight or a horribly burned-in image.

WarrenC12
Mar 23, 2017, 7:58 PM
I second this. You don't need an LCD panel to display trains and times and we already know they've used the alternative during the upgrades so it doesn't make any sense unless they're literally shopping around between installation contracts which is incredibly stupid.
I give that five years before it's either replaced due to a failed backlight or a horribly burned-in image.

Burn-in is a legacy problem with Plasma screens, not that TV. Replacing it will be dirt cheap, and the image is far more attractive IMO.

The real questions should be around up front capital cost, and lifetime costs including support, maintenance and power usage.

Reecemartin
Mar 23, 2017, 8:41 PM
Alot of companies like NEC that make flat panels for airports etc build very reliable models that can last very long. It basically just comes down to how high quality the display is, they can last for very long periods of time with newer led systems. Tbh, considering how cheap flat screen 1080p displays are we really should just have them at EVERY station...

jlousa
Mar 23, 2017, 11:53 PM
Media signage screens are not your typical tvs and are priced at 10-15K about 10x the what you can wander into Best buy for your home.

Jebby
Mar 24, 2017, 12:29 AM
Media signage screens are not your typical tvs and are priced at 10-15K about 10x the what you can wander into Best buy for your home.

Really?

http://i.imgur.com/nWVyu7O.png
http://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/digital-signage/LH55RHEPLGA/GO

http://i.imgur.com/HU699A8.png
http://www.lg.com/us/business/commercial-display/displays-tvs/commercial/lg-65LX540S

Reecemartin
Mar 24, 2017, 12:52 AM
Yeah....Pretty sure these blanket blatantly false statements were what created all the problems on the forum recently, as we can see doing your research is important. Otherwise you might be off by a factor of 10!

WarrenC12
Mar 24, 2017, 1:09 AM
Really?



Yep and you can guarantee a big public RFP will get even lower pricing.

MIPS
Mar 24, 2017, 2:45 AM
Media signage screens are not your typical tvs and are priced at 10-15K about 10x the what you can wander into Best buy for your home.

I cannot say out loud who my employer is (but if you are a BC resident you have probably unknowingly glanced at or even used something I worked on ;) ), but I can say we are not currently replacing our ten year old fleet of plasma screens (and there's hundreds of them) with commercial grade LCD panels. In fact I can say in some places we are replacing high-end NEC and Panasonic panels with the cheapest thing that fit the bill.
They are made by Samsung. They do cost $1200 each. They are basically consumer sets with the tuner removed and the Smart features disabled. We are seeing a lot of in-warranty failures within two months of going into the field.
This is Trans-Link. Not the Japanese Railway company or Vancouver International Airport. They're cutting corners. They didn't even put the protective cover on it like they did with the first LCD panels they installed.

Also whoever says LCD's are not prone to burn-in has not seen some of the panels I've had come in for repair and had to destroy because the static content on come displays was clearly visible.

retro_orange
Mar 24, 2017, 3:50 AM
I cannot say out loud who my employer is (but if you are a BC resident you have probably unknowingly glanced at or even used something I worked on ;) ), but I can say we are not currently replacing our ten year old fleet of plasma screens (and there's hundreds of them) with commercial grade LCD panels. In fact I can say in some places we are replacing high-end NEC and Panasonic panels with the cheapest thing that fit the bill.
They are made by Samsung. They do cost $1200 each. They are basically consumer sets with the tuner removed and the Smart features disabled. We are seeing a lot of in-warranty failures within two months of going into the field.
This is Trans-Link. Not the Japanese Railway company or Vancouver International Airport. They're cutting corners. They didn't even put the protective cover on it like they did with the first LCD panels they installed.

Also whoever says LCD's are not prone to burn-in has not seen some of the panels I've had come in for repair and had to destroy because the static content on come displays was clearly visible.

Whats the timeline for replacing the platform train departure screens on the expo line?

My flat panel Toshiba TV is 10 years old this year. I feel blessed. (great pic quality too)

Jebby
Mar 24, 2017, 4:42 AM
Whats the timeline for replacing the platform train departure screens on the expo line?

My flat panel Toshiba TV is 10 years old this year. I feel blessed. (great pic quality too)

I wouldn't expect the panels used at platform to last 10 years. Sure you screen has lasted, but is it on 18 hours a day, every day?

jlousa
Mar 24, 2017, 5:06 AM
Jebby, those displays you linked to are not commercial grade and would probably be lucky to last 2yrs in 24/7 operation, take a look at the link below to get a better idea on pricing. The prices are in a different league because the components they are built with are a couple grades above the norm. Everything is overbuilt on them. Sure you could buy 5-8 cheap ones for the same price, but these are for operations that do not want any down time.
Unfortunately I'm way more familiar with this segment then I wish I was.

http://www.necdisplay.com/category/large-screen-displays

jollyburger
Mar 24, 2017, 5:39 AM
Well Translink managed to spend 500K on 13 screens so maybe there are some magical expensive LCD screens.

And I guess Lamar Transit Advertising/Conti Evolution (contractor) handles all the other LCDs.

Surrey Leader from 2012:

TransLink is accused of wasting more than $523,000 in 2009 to put up 13 video screens at SkyTrain station entrances that now mostly do not work.

The LCD monitors and networked content players cost more than $40,000 each, according to the results of a Freedom of Information request filed by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation (CTF).

The video screens were to communicate SkyTrain system emergencies, closures and other information to transit riders, ending the practice of staff scrawling messages on sandwich boards outside stations.

"Any way you slice it, $40,000 for a TV screen in this day and age is mind-boggling waste," said Jordan Bateman, the CTF's B.C. director.

He said the only working screens were at Stadium Station when he recently checked them, while those at Scott Road, Edmonds and Commercial-Broadway had vanished and ones at Lougheed were there but not operating.

TransLink records show the Scott Road screens were damaged by vandals while others were offline as of August 2011 due to various technical failures.

Three quarters of the money for the Station Entrance Emergency Information Panel (SEEIP) project came from a $391,000 federal Transit-Secure grant.

But Bateman said it was not good use of money earmarked to improve safety and security, regardless of whether taxpayers paid for it via the federal government or through TransLink.

The video screens at the entrances to the five stations are different from the more than 160 screens on all SkyTrain and Canada Line station platforms that can also transmit urgent messages.

Those were installed by TransLink's advertising contractor at their cost and TransLink receives a share of the advertising revenue.

"The taxpayers didn't have to pay a dime for that," said Byron Montgomery, general manager for Lamar Transit Advertising.

Asked whether TransLink had tried to partner with Lamar on the station entrance screens, which were installed around the same time, he said they were separate initiatives.

Bateman said sandwich board messages may not be elegant but they work.

He said it's harder for passengers at a station entrance that has been closed due to a problem to peer through a grille at a video monitor inside.

TransLink officials said several of the out-of-service monitors are either being repaired or are temporarily covered up because of station renovations.

"This was put in as a safety measure," TransLink corporate communications manager Jason Martin said.

He said plans to add more of the station entrance video screens in 2013 are under review, adding TransLink now makes much greater use of social media in communicating with passengers than it did four years ago.

The cost of the project, which was in place in time for the 2010 Winter Olympics, included computers, a server, cables, software and other infrastructure.

http://www.surreyleader.com/news/157289955.html?mobile=true

aberdeen5698
Mar 24, 2017, 7:58 PM
Well Translink managed to spend 500K on 13 screens so maybe there are some magical expensive LCD screens.
The criticism about screen cost in that news article is misplaced since the majority of the money probably went to setting up the power, communications and the system that produced the content for the displays.

officedweller
Mar 25, 2017, 12:26 AM
From VIA twitter today - the centre station house is open:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C7tyss8VwAAgv72.jpg
Another big milestone on the Metrotown Station Upgrades Project today, as the 1st entrance of 3 was opened to the public at noon! @TransLink
https://twitter.com/viaarchitecture