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VancouverOfTheFuture
Sep 6, 2017, 4:49 AM
god this mishmash design is ridiculous for all these stations, the worst being Commercial-Broadway.

literally, the cheapest option would have been going with the original tubular design which would have kept everything consistently designed and saved money. you could update the mesh to glass, using the same mount style with same sized glass panels of the mesh panels. maybe do LED lighting. leave the BIGGER signage that is more then 2x the size.

cganuelas1995
Sep 6, 2017, 6:54 AM
god this mishmash design is ridiculous for all these stations, the worst being Commercial-Broadway.

literally, the cheapest option would have been going with the original tubular design which would have kept everything consistently designed and saved money. you could update the mesh to glass, using the same mount style with same sized glass panels of the mesh panels. maybe do LED lighting. leave the BIGGER signage that is more then 2x the size.

Exactly. It's a station, not an art project. It doesn't have to look like a beautiful and unique snowflake, it just has to look like a station.

Sheba
Sep 6, 2017, 11:21 PM
Just got an e-mail from City of Burnaby (haven't looked at the attachment yet)


The Metrotown SkyTrain Project was approved by Council under Rezoning Reference # 13-12, for which I have attached a copy of the pertinent Public Hearing report. As a condition of rezoning, TransLink committed to the replacement of the existing passerelle by making provisions for its connection to the centre station house in the design and construction of the upgrade SkyTrain station. The City committed to the funding of the demolition of the existing passerelle and its replacement, as well as future ownership of the structure. Ivanhoe Cambridge (mall owner) also contributed to the funding of the replacement passerelle. As noted in the rezoning, a Passerelle Agreement between the three parties (City - TransLink - Ivanhoe Cambridge) would be formed, outlining design, construction, operations, maintenance and ownership detail of the structure.

The advancement of the passerelle component of the Metrotown SkyTrain Project is anticipated following finalization of the above noted Passerelle Agreement. The City remains committed to working with TransLink and Ivanhoe Cambridge to ensure the development of a functional, safe, convenient and accessible passerelle. I trust that this information meets your current needs. Should you have any further questions, please do not hesitate to contact me directly.

Waders
Sep 7, 2017, 4:04 AM
Good to hear the replacement passerelle will still be built. But it looks like the new passerelle wouldn't be ready for another 1 to 2 years.

After the side walk between Centre station house and west station house was completed, a lot of passengers started to jaywalk across Central Blvd without using the crosswalk. Staff had to place a long yellow tape between 2 poles outside the station entrance trying to discourage that behavior.

WBC
Sep 7, 2017, 5:37 AM
Just got an e-mail from City of Burnaby (haven't looked at the attachment yet)

That is good news that they are still committed to it, but reading between the lines it looks to me that they still do not have agreement in place... I think CoB is referring to some very old Rezoning document that was done prior to commencement of Metrotown station redevelopment...

Sheba
Sep 7, 2017, 6:17 AM
Good to hear the replacement passerelle will still be built. But it looks like the new passerelle wouldn't be ready for another 1 to 2 years.

After the side walk between Centre station house and west station house was completed, a lot of passengers started to jaywalk across Central Blvd without using the crosswalk. Staff had to place a long yellow tape between 2 poles outside the station entrance trying to discourage that behavior.

I saw that tape today. Hopefully eventually the passerelle will be built - but I'm not holding my breath that it'll be anytime soon.


That is good news that they are still committed to it, but reading between the lines it looks to me that they still do not have agreement in place... I think CoB is referring to some very old Rezoning document that was done prior to commencement of Metrotown station redevelopment...

Exactly. The "attached a copy of the pertinent Public Hearing report" is Rezoning Reference #13-12 from June 2014 - before TransLink started work on the station. It doesn't look good that they don't have an agreement yet (it also explains why the old passerelle is still mostly standing).

That report also mentions public washrooms. a kiss & ride (aka a car drop off area with 7 spots) and 3 retail units within / next to the stationhouses.

officedweller
Sep 8, 2017, 9:24 PM
Commercial–Broadway Station Upgrades
...

When: Sept to Oct. 2017

Starting in mid-September, structural steel trusses will be installed above Shoppers Drug Mart and across Broadway at Commercial–Broadway Station for the new pedestrian walkway.
•Beginning Sept. 11, the 9 and 99 bus routes will use temporary stops, and passengers may be required to cross the street to catch their bus. Signs will direct passengers to the temporary stops for the 9 and 99.
•Lane closures of Broadway are required to safely complete the work. Partial lane closures of Broadway begin on Sept. 15. From Sept. 30 to Oct. 1, there will be a full closure of Broadway.
•SkyTrain passengers can expect trains to run on a single track around the area where work is happening during key times.
•Access to the station and platforms will not change, but SkyTrain passengers can expect trains to run on a single track around the area where work is happening during key times.

Thank you for your patience as we complete these much-needed upgrades to the Commercial–Broadway Station and stay tuned for additional updates throughout the project.


https://www.translink.ca/ontrack#commercial-broadway-station-upgrades

SpongeG
Sep 15, 2017, 7:07 PM
Station upgrade expected to snarl traffic near Broadway in Vancouver

To install steel structure to support new walkway TransLink is closing lanes and moving bus stops

Yvette Brend Posted: Sep 15, 2017 7:25 AM PT Last Updated: Sep 15, 2017 7:25 AM PT

https://i.cbc.ca/1.4291337.1505482460!/fileImage/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/16x9_620/commercial-broadway.jpg

TransLink is warning commuters to expect delays and traffic snarls starting Friday as work begins upgrading Vancouver's Commercial-Broadway SkyTrain Station.

The work at the busiest station in the TransLink network — which sees 150,000 daily users — includes the construction of a new overhead walkway connecting the two halves of the station.

Two bus stops for the 9 and 99 routes will be relocated temporarily during construction along with some partial lane closures. There will also be a full road closure of Broadway on Sept. 29 and Oct. 1.

...

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/sky-train-upgrade-traffic-jams-broadway-commercial-commute-1.4291298

jbrizzy
Sep 16, 2017, 12:46 AM
Station upgrade expected to snarl traffic near Broadway in Vancouver


Who writes these headlines ?? What does it say when your headline refers to a brief and small impact on car movement as a "snarl" and focuses on that but not the huge permanent upgrade for transit users the work is creating ?? :shrug:

urbancanadian
Sep 16, 2017, 1:27 AM
Who writes these headlines ?? What does it say when your headline refers to a brief and small impact on car movement as a "snarl" and focuses on that but not the huge permanent upgrade for transit users the work is creating ?? :shrug:

Studies show that a huge percentage of people don't read past the headline. Because they don't say anything incorrect in the article, the media is able to shape public opinion this way, without breaking any rules...

mcminsen
Sep 16, 2017, 3:24 AM
I transited through Commercial - Broadway station today ~2:30 PM and there didn't seem to be anything going on. No delays, no crowds, it seemed normal. The bus stops (#9, #99) were moved though.



Commercial - Broadway, Sept.15 '17, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/LSPlP6.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnLSPlP6j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/agFsVQ.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnagFsVQj)

Waders
Sep 16, 2017, 3:55 AM
I transited through Commercial - Broadway station today ~2:30 PM and there didn't seem to be anything going on. No delays, no crowds, it seemed normal. The bus stops (#9, #99) were moved though.


This (http://bc.ctvnews.ca/major-roadwork-to-affect-thousands-at-commercial-broadway-1.3592282) news article gives a better explanation of the construction work.
Preparation work will start on Saturday when two massive 2,270-tonne cranes will be set up at Broadway. This would allow the structural steel trusses to be assembled.
Once this is done in 2 weeks, Broadway will be completely closed for two full days from Sept. 30 to Oct. 1. I think the main structure for the new pedestrian walkway will be transported to the site and hauled into position.

mcminsen
Sep 16, 2017, 4:13 AM
Thanks, so the real fun starts tomorrow. At least I got a good "before" pic. :D

Waders
Sep 16, 2017, 4:37 AM
Thanks, so the real fun starts tomorrow. At least I got a good "before" pic. :D

The announced schedule said work starts today. But I guess Translink didn't want to risk complain by closing lanes at Broadway while people still have to transit to work on Friday. I hope the work would not create serious road congestion at that location next week.

flipper316
Sep 16, 2017, 6:15 AM
The announced schedule said work starts today. But I guess Translink didn't want to risk complain by closing lanes at Broadway while people still have to transit to work on Friday. I hope the work would not create serious road congestion at that location next week.

Who cares if it does. This is Vancouver. Everyone is supposed to be walking or riding a bike. Not getting around in an evil automobile hah.

Meraki
Sep 16, 2017, 8:42 PM
The announced schedule said work starts today. But I guess Translink didn't want to risk complain by closing lanes at Broadway while people still have to transit to work on Friday. I hope the work would not create serious road congestion at that location next week.

They've had electronic signs on Broadway for at least a month before today telling you to avoid Broadway & Commercial from Sep 15-30. Let the ones who haven't been paying attention sit there. :P

Express691
Sep 16, 2017, 10:35 PM
They've had electronic signs on Broadway for at least a month before today telling you to avoid Broadway & Commercial from Sep 15-30. Let the ones who haven't been paying attention sit there. :P

But who reads transit/road alerts/news1130 nowadays? :P

mcminsen
Sep 17, 2017, 5:03 AM
The first of the two massive cranes appeared today at Commercial - Broadway station.



Sept.16 '17, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/nNTRUZ.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmnNTRUZj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/hAoVB3.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pohAoVB3j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/wqu29G.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmwqu29Gj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/K9kJi0.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnK9kJi0j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/XR2iEZ.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poXR2iEZj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/peBE16.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnpeBE16j)

Waders
Sep 17, 2017, 6:58 AM
The first of the two massive cranes appeared today at Commercial - Broadway station.

Thanks for the pics. The crane is massive!
So 2 lanes are closed?

mcminsen
Sep 17, 2017, 7:22 AM
Thanks for the pics. The crane is massive!
So 2 lanes are closed?


Yes, two lanes on the north side of Broadway are closed. I presume when the other crane arrives it will also take up two lanes on the south side of Broadway. That will be one seriously narrowed artery.

Express691
Sep 17, 2017, 9:06 AM
Small note on the trolley wires, which have been taken out to accomodate operations and as a result, have turned the 9 into a diesel bus service (though I wonder how long ago they were taken out)

jollyburger
Sep 18, 2017, 3:41 AM
They had all the steel laid out in the far right lane today getting assembled. And the staging/storage area seems to be out next to the VCC Millenium Line station?

dpogue
Sep 18, 2017, 5:57 AM
They had all the steel laid out in the far right lane today getting assembled. And the staging/storage area seems to be out next to the VCC Millenium Line station?

The staging area for a lot of the steel was in the train yards near VCC-Clark, and they would load it up onto a rail car and drive it along the tracks through the cut until it was right below Commercial station.

mcminsen
Sep 20, 2017, 5:03 AM
Commercial - Broadway. I noticed that the crane (when not in use) can be turned and the support arm retracted so that it only takes up one lane on the road. The superstructure above Shoppers is largely in place now.



Sept.19 '17, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/8fGFzy.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/po8fGFzyj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/0pEU8I.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/po0pEU8Ij)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/nz1pPK.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnnz1pPKj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/zo9Se9.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmzo9Se9j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/rQckJr.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnrQckJrj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/feNAyL.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pofeNAyLj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/q6dKSJ.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnq6dKSJj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/Mf7MI2.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnMf7MI2j)

mcminsen
Sep 20, 2017, 5:04 AM
Sept.19 '17, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/e5PgLi.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poe5PgLij)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/wzkJvK.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmwzkJvKj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/q7Y1zo.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmq7Y1zoj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/dxXA2J.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/podxXA2Jj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/6ncOfz.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pm6ncOfzj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/AevHmv.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnAevHmvj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/XRqKBy.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmXRqKByj)

flipper316
Sep 21, 2017, 5:09 AM
Those cranes are so f'n cool. They have 2 of them at the Deadpool 2 set out at Riverview.

mcminsen
Sep 23, 2017, 8:47 PM
The yellow crane at Commercial - Broadway was nowhere to be seen yesterday when I took these pics about 3:00 PM.



Sept.22 '17, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/uDrPUC.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnuDrPUCj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/CgOK0v.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmCgOK0vj)

Waders
Sep 26, 2017, 3:02 AM
The new Joyce station east station house is almost completed.
From what I can see, there is only a few tasks outstanding. Workers were doing some final touch painting a few days ago.
May be it will be opened on or before Oct. 6?

cganuelas1995
Sep 27, 2017, 9:51 PM
http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/richmond-brighouse-station-new-bus-loop

jollyburger
Sep 28, 2017, 2:14 AM
The yellow crane at Commercial - Broadway was nowhere to be seen yesterday when I took these pics about 3:00 PM.



Sept.22 '17, my pics\

I guess they can't do anything until the full road closure this weekend.

officedweller
Sep 30, 2017, 7:54 PM
https://shawglobalnews.files.wordpress.com/2017/09/skytrain-e1506785767784.jpg?quality=70&strip=all&w=720&h=413&crop=1
https://globalnews.ca/news/3778035/broadway-partially-closed-this-weekend-due-to-construction-at-skytrain-station/

jollyburger
Sep 30, 2017, 9:58 PM
They have the two cranes setup now on Broadway.

Feathered Friend
Oct 1, 2017, 1:39 AM
http://i.imgur.com/6jxfQ5rh.jpg (https://imgur.com/6jxfQ5r)

http://i.imgur.com/2T4Fvpeh.jpg (https://imgur.com/2T4Fvpe)

http://i.imgur.com/m3haBomh.jpg (https://imgur.com/m3haBom)

http://i.imgur.com/hdNkpWoh.jpg (https://imgur.com/hdNkpWo)

http://i.imgur.com/YASVASGh.jpg (https://imgur.com/YASVASG)

http://i.imgur.com/eJdvdFoh.jpg (https://imgur.com/eJdvdFo)

http://i.imgur.com/qesXCBbh.jpg (https://imgur.com/qesXCBb)

http://i.imgur.com/EARtGrWh.jpg (https://imgur.com/EARtGrW)

http://i.imgur.com/LYaqVAjh.jpg (https://imgur.com/LYaqVAj)

http://i.imgur.com/ICSk0Hyh.jpg (https://imgur.com/ICSk0Hy)

http://i.imgur.com/YjfXG3wh.jpg (https://imgur.com/YjfXG3w)

I was down at Commercial at roughly 4 pm today, so I made sure to grab some shots. Apparently the big lift will start at 2 am tonight, which makes sense, as that's after Skytrain shuts down. I'm not sure if I have it in me to head down for that so late, but maybe?

mcminsen
Oct 1, 2017, 6:23 AM
I was down at Commercial at roughly 4 pm today, so I made sure to grab some shots. Apparently the big lift will start at 2 am tonight, which makes sense, as that's after Skytrain shuts down. I'm not sure if I have it in me to head down for that so late, but maybe?



What a zoo. Did you see somebody up on the bridge taking pictures? :tup:

I also took some pics of a vehicle that decided to make the pedestrian/cyclist only area on 10th Avenue his own private detour (last pic). He just drove over the barriers at each end and forced people out of his way so he could get to the Safeway parking lot. I reported it to a traffic cop there and they looked at my pics and took some info and went to find him.



Sept.30 '17, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/BnN8UU.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnBnN8UUj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/MIdGNn.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmMIdGNnj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/zB1DTS.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmzB1DTSj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/M4NUzt.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poM4NUztj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/o1kaaG.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poo1kaaGj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/Mh1EZ5.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poMh1EZ5j)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/7HfuQC.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pn7HfuQCj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/yeBK2s.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poyeBK2sj)

officedweller
Oct 1, 2017, 7:22 PM
Pics by me last night @about 11:00pm til the lift was done at about 11:15pm
happened to stop by the Safeway to pick up some groceries.

They "inserted" the south end into the new building, then aligned the north end and moved the bridge northwards to abut the north end.

https://i.imgur.com/PilT3rB.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BuzLGWE.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oJFOWdl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/L6t9Tn6.jpg

aberdeen5698
Oct 1, 2017, 8:58 PM
Pics by me last night @about 11:00pm til the lift was done at about 11:15pm
Nice shots. It's good to see such "concrete" signs of progress on this long project.

dpogue
Oct 3, 2017, 7:25 AM
Timelapse video of the bridge being installed has been posted to TransLink's Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/Translink/videos/1760218244020765/

Waders
Oct 5, 2017, 1:28 AM
The new Joyce station east station house is now open.:cheers:

Pictures I took today.

New elevator at platform
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4458/36794940934_7726b88c49_b.jpg

New up/down escalator
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4443/37504944871_b1c89b115a_b.jpg

A little bit of art display
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4491/36794939034_abb780f2a5_b.jpg

Fare gates
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4481/37504944191_3f59abbe0f_b.jpg

Space
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4497/37473878692_9a0571d759_b.jpg

More space on the other side
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4450/37473878452_d399d48a65_b.jpg

East station house entrance and plaza area
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4454/36794934894_88caca646d_b.jpg

Seat outside the entrance
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4472/36794933574_9176ee6427_b.jpg

Seating area at plaza
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4449/36794934154_6a455149b9_b.jpg

Escalator viewed from outside
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4500/36794932984_666aef86eb_b.jpg

East station house viewed from a different angle
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4480/36794931884_bc5a5cb017_b.jpg

Black escalator enclosure.
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4447/36794931144_d89101329a_b.jpg

Shift
Oct 5, 2017, 3:28 AM
Thanks for the photos! That east entrance looks fantastic. It's amazing how much larger that makes the station look. Surrey Central's new north house should have a similar feel.

What a difference these materials have over the 80's metal grates.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4480/36794931884_bc5a5cb017_b.jpg

officedweller
Oct 5, 2017, 4:07 AM
Thanks!

That change in floorsing stands out - but I guess it's cheaper (or did someone mention it'll be raplaced in a later phase?)

Vending machines (like the Pepsi one) are a good alternative to actual storefronts.

osirisboy
Oct 5, 2017, 4:21 AM
Wow that looks great!! Is that the same style they are planning for Surrey central?

urbancanadian
Oct 5, 2017, 5:34 AM
Thanks for posting, it looks fantastic! In person it almost feels like being in a new upscale retail store before they add the shelves/clothes/etc. Great execution of materials. The tiles up on the platform level look really outdated now.

Here are a couple of my pics from last night:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4488/36794883414_344f25dbbb_b.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4464/37504875871_e57921bff5_b.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4501/23652643058_8e0af99808_b.jpg

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4492/36794882364_5a4472f28f_b.jpg

Waders
Oct 5, 2017, 6:17 AM
Thanks for posting, it looks fantastic! In person it almost feels like being in a new upscale retail store before they add the shelves/clothes/etc. Great execution of materials. The tiles up on the platform level look really outdated now.

Here are a couple of my pics from last night:


Nice photo shoots! The station house looks great at night. There is a lot more lighting used when compared to the old west station house.

Also in one of the pics, there is a compass card reader outside the Bike Parkade. How is that being used?

dpogue
Oct 5, 2017, 6:22 AM
Nice photo shoots! The station house looks great at night. There is a lot more lighting used when compared to the old west station house.

Also in one of the pics, there is a compass card reader outside the Bike Parkade. How is that being used?

You use your compass card to pay and get in to the bike locker

SpongeG
Oct 5, 2017, 6:28 AM
looks good. Will they do anything with all that extra space?

mcminsen
Oct 5, 2017, 8:44 AM
Commercial - Broadway.



Oct.4 '17, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/EeTfSI.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poEeTfSIj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/y2QtZI.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmy2QtZIj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/6pp8rX.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pn6pp8rXj)


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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/P31mca.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pnP31mcaj)


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http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/cNs8ap.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pocNs8apj)

twism
Oct 5, 2017, 4:14 PM
looks good. Will they do anything with all that extra space?

There is suppose to be a commercial retail unit right by Joyce st.
http://sitings.ca/sitings-news/retail-opportunity-at-joyce-collingwood-skytrain-station/

Vin
Oct 5, 2017, 5:14 PM
The Joyce Station upgrade looks really good. It almost feels like a whole new team of designers built this. The general aesthetics depart a great deal from the other renovated stations'. One very noticeable change that adds to its attractiveness is the use of dark-coloured frames instead of the traditional white for the doorways and windows.

Urbancanadian's photo:
https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4488/36794883414_344f25dbbb_b.jpg

MIPS
Oct 5, 2017, 7:26 PM
Vending machines (like the Pepsi one) are a good alternative to actual storefronts.
That's good and bad.
I actually made a random inquiry with TransLink back in the spring regarding what their conditions are for third parties operating vending devices within stations. Stuff like dry food and Automat operations.
Apparently Pepsi holds a contract to exclusively operate vending machines in the system right now, so until that agreement expires nobody else without exception is allowed to install their own franchise of machines without pissing Pepsi off. Likewise Pepsi doesn't seem to be rushing to install more machines because their machines are so infrequently used. Might possibly be because their large machines can only fit in out-of-the-way locations in a system that has rapidly become contactless for payments, so not many people have $2.50 in their pocket for a small bottle.

SpongeG
Oct 5, 2017, 7:36 PM
There is suppose to be a commercial retail unit right by Joyce st.
http://sitings.ca/sitings-news/retail-opportunity-at-joyce-collingwood-skytrain-station/

thx for the info

Spork
Oct 5, 2017, 8:05 PM
The architecture firm that did Joyce Station is OMB. They are also doing Surrey Central.

http://www.officemb.ca/work/surrey-central-skytrain-station-upgrades/

cganuelas1995
Oct 5, 2017, 8:06 PM
That's good and bad.
I actually made a random inquiry with TransLink back in the spring regarding what their conditions are for third parties operating vending devices within stations. Stuff like dry food and Automat operations.
Apparently Pepsi holds a contract to exclusively operate vending machines in the system right now, so until that agreement expires nobody else without exception is allowed to install their own franchise of machines without pissing Pepsi off. Likewise Pepsi doesn't seem to be rushing to install more machines because their machines are so infrequently used. Might possibly be because their large machines can only fit in out-of-the-way locations in a system that has rapidly become contactless for payments, so not many people have $2.50 in their pocket for a small bottle.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/14/technology/bodegas-vending-machine-google.html

Hmmm...

Large Cat
Oct 5, 2017, 9:27 PM
New stationhouse looks great--thank you for posting photos!!

My only question is, how will passenger flow work when one (or more) of the escalators is out of service? Will everyone going down have to use the west stationhouse? What if that stationhouse is under construction? Or, is there a stairwell in the new east stationhouse that I'm missing?

officedweller
Oct 5, 2017, 9:33 PM
The architecture firm that did Joyce Station is OMB. They are also doing Surrey Central.

http://www.officemb.ca/work/surrey-central-skytrain-station-upgrades/

Strange that their acronym would include the "Office of". Maybe it was a play on the Ontario Municipal Board acronym.

Vin
Oct 5, 2017, 9:36 PM
The architecture firm that did Joyce Station is OMB. They are also doing Surrey Central.

http://www.officemb.ca/work/surrey-central-skytrain-station-upgrades/

Thanks, they should do more stations. :cheers:

The Expo line needs to be propelled to the 21st century.

Shift
Oct 5, 2017, 10:04 PM
These OMB designs have a proper metro station feel. Best upgrades so far. Compare them to the barebones glass box of the newly opened Metrotown station west station house.

http://www.officemb.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Surrey-Central-DP-Int-Render-03-East-Soffit-w-White-Soffit.jpg

http://www.officemb.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Surrey-Central-DP-Int-Render-01-Concourse-North.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7ZQlhki.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/j9JK8Ap.jpg?1

cganuelas1995
Oct 5, 2017, 10:12 PM
These OMB designs have a proper metro station feel. Best upgrades so far. Compare them to the barebones glass box of the newly opened Metrotown station west station house.

http://www.officemb.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Surrey-Central-DP-Int-Render-03-East-Soffit-w-White-Soffit.jpg

http://www.officemb.ca/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/Surrey-Central-DP-Int-Render-01-Concourse-North.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/7ZQlhki.jpg?1

http://i.imgur.com/j9JK8Ap.jpg?1

I really really really don't like the glass gate on the edge. I think it's a really inefficient use of space that can fit an extra faregate.

officedweller
Oct 5, 2017, 10:15 PM
It's probably required for access if the faregates have a system failure.

cganuelas1995
Oct 5, 2017, 10:19 PM
It's probably required for access if the faregates have a system failure.

Shouldn't the faregates have a failsafe design where they unlock at the event of a system failure?

officedweller
Oct 5, 2017, 10:23 PM
... or maybe if they close the gates / close the station access, but TransLink workers need to get through.
(i.e. keep it simple versus programming special access cards for TransLink workers?)

cganuelas1995
Oct 5, 2017, 10:36 PM
... or maybe if they close the gates / close the station access, but TransLink workers need to get through.
(i.e. keep it simple versus programming special access cards for TransLink workers?)

There's no keyhole for a special key for technicians?

Reecemartin
Oct 5, 2017, 11:21 PM
Totally agree with the sentiment about the OMB designs, something about having some non-glass materials is nice because too much glass starts to make things feel hollow. As an aside I haven’t ever actually taken the time to check but, do the stations have Wifi?

nickbeaulieu
Oct 5, 2017, 11:30 PM
I'm a fan of these OMB designs, but I also like the huge open feel of the Metrotown station.

Waders
Oct 6, 2017, 2:56 AM
do the stations have Wifi?
I don't think skytrain station house has Wifi. But Translink is working on making Wifi available on Rapid Transit.
Source (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/translink-trinkets-timeline-1.4301643)

cganuelas1995
Oct 6, 2017, 3:02 AM
I don't think skytrain station house has Wifi. But Translink is working on making Wifi available on Rapid Transit.
Source (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/translink-trinkets-timeline-1.4301643)

The two things that are needed at the major stations (the ones that see a lot of ridership and are major transfer points) are WiFi and restrooms.

Waders
Oct 6, 2017, 3:02 AM
Official announcement from Infrastructure Canada.

Joyce-Collingwood Station east stationhouse renovation complete (http://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/joyce-collingwood-station-east-stationhouse-renovation-complete-649615123.html)


This first phase of upgrades to the Joyce-Collingwood Station cost approximately $27 million. The Government of Canada provided $5.7 million through the Building Canada Fund, the Government of British Columbia contributed $11.5 million and the remainder was provided by TransLink.

Work begins next month on the second phase of this initiative involving improvements to the west stationhouse and east bus loop. Provincial and federal support for this phase will be delivered through the Public Transit Infrastructure Fund.

Reecemartin
Oct 6, 2017, 3:05 AM
The two things that are needed at the major stations (the ones that see a lot of ridership and are major transfer points) are WiFi and restrooms.

All stations need wifi imo, to be honest trains on Expo and M should have Wifi.

Waders
Oct 6, 2017, 3:08 AM
The two things that are needed at the major stations (the ones that see a lot of ridership and are major transfer points) are WiFi and restrooms.
From what I read, all the renovated skytrain stations have space provisioned for further restroom. However there is no decision on actually building one as there is management, maintenance and security issue that need to be resolved.

cganuelas1995
Oct 6, 2017, 3:18 AM
From what I read, all the renovated skytrain stations have space provisioned for further restroom. However there is no decision on actually building one as there is management, maintenance and security issue that need to be resolved.

Can't they put one of those self-cleaning toilet units (https://www.downtownvancouver.net/members/community-feed/dvbia-blog/2017/03/15/new-public-toilet-map) near the station entrance?

Waders
Oct 6, 2017, 3:36 AM
Can't they put one of those self-cleaning toilet units (https://www.downtownvancouver.net/members/community-feed/dvbia-blog/2017/03/15/new-public-toilet-map) near the station entrance?
I haven't use one so I don't know how well it works.
The facility still needs to be maintained and monitored by staff. If the toilet is clogged, flooding can cause serious damage to the station house.

MIPS
Oct 6, 2017, 4:08 AM
The small ones that I've used work well enough. They are self-contained enough as well that if something goes wrong they don't also make a complete mess.
Now, the one at Main Street on the other hand......
I've been trying to use that one for five years and STILL cannot get the goddamn door to open. I'm almost positive at this point you simply cannot use it and it is merely a showpiece. I end up having to walk all the way up to main/hastings or go to the McDonalds.

Waders
Oct 6, 2017, 4:32 AM
... or maybe if they close the gates / close the station access, but TransLink workers need to get through.
(i.e. keep it simple versus programming special access cards for TransLink workers?)
The one at Joyce new east station house has a keypad. When a contractor needs access to the paid area to do work, Translink can just provide the code.
Also in an emergency situation when passengers need to be evacuated quickly, that special door can be used.

Pics I took today

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4479/36855672273_33a7d6b8cb_b.jpg

Waders
Oct 6, 2017, 4:38 AM
There is suppose to be a commercial retail unit right by Joyce st.
http://sitings.ca/sitings-news/retail-opportunity-at-joyce-collingwood-skytrain-station/

Pic I took today.

The new commercial retail unit at the west end of the east station house.
The temporary staircase that is currently blocking the retail unit will need to be removed.

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4489/37493857982_2aa948d98e_b.jpg

ilikeredheads
Oct 6, 2017, 7:25 AM
The new station house at Joyce looks really nice. Brightly lit, straightforward, and functional design.

deasine
Oct 6, 2017, 9:13 PM
Joyce looks awesome - just seems like someone put some thought on how to combine materials in one sleek package.

The only thing I'm a bit surprised about the station is the lack of glass manifestation, especially by the gates - it seems like eventually someone will run into the glass...

Waders
Oct 7, 2017, 6:10 AM
More Joyce east station house photos can be found at The Buzzer blog (http://buzzer.translink.ca/2017/10/new-joyce-collingwood-east-stationhouse-is-now-open/) and Dailyhive (http://dailyhive.com/vancouver/new-east-entrance-opens-skytrains-joyce-collingwood-station-photos).

Express691
Oct 7, 2017, 7:19 AM
Small follow up on Comm'l-Bway:

Trolley wires have been re-wired, and route 9 has resumed trolley service since early September.

ilikeredheads
Oct 7, 2017, 11:47 PM
saw this on reddit, a cool timelapse of overpass installation.
HDtzOTbnp3Y

officedweller
Oct 10, 2017, 2:18 AM
Is there a staircase in the East Stationhouse @ Joyce?
Just wondering if the new norm is to have all escalators and no staircase?

Waders
Oct 10, 2017, 2:53 AM
Is there a staircase in the East Stationhouse @ Joyce?
Just wondering if the new norm is to have all escalators and no staircase?
Yes, the original staircase still exists and is being rebuilt.
I think staircase is still useful in some situation(e.g. power outage which happened to the area a few times already this year).

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4451/37575025832_638e6243f8_b.jpg

officedweller
Oct 10, 2017, 3:17 AM
Cool, thanks!

aberdeen5698
Oct 10, 2017, 5:24 AM
I think staircase is still useful in some situation(e.g. power outage which happened to the area a few times already this year).
The escalators can be used just fine by most people during a power outage. The most pressing need for a staircase is to provide access when an escalator is out of service for maintenance.

And it's also nice to have an alternate access route that normally isn't too crowded :tup:

Sheba
Oct 10, 2017, 5:42 PM
The escalators can be used just fine by most people during a power outage. The most pressing need for a staircase is to provide access when an escalator is out of service for maintenance.

And it's also nice to have an alternate access route that normally isn't too crowded :tup:

Would a power outage in the area necessarily cause a power outage in the station? I remember being at New West Station during a power outage and the station itself was fine (the stores within the station were without power). I'd think the stations would be considered important enough to be on their own grid (apologies if I didn't get the terminology right).

cganuelas1995
Oct 10, 2017, 7:21 PM
The escalators can be used just fine by most people during a power outage. The most pressing need for a staircase is to provide access when an escalator is out of service for maintenance.

And it's also nice to have an alternate access route that normally isn't too crowded :tup:

I dunno, I've seen people stand on the escalator when it's clearly in "stairs" mode.

Millennium2002
Oct 10, 2017, 7:24 PM
If I recall correctly from the reporting around the 2008 incident where a transformer blew near Tinseltown, SkyTrain stations and track can be fed power from alternate substations if the primary suffers a blackout. The only weak point is Downtown, where there is only one substation for the four SkyTrain stations due to space constraints.

Meraki
Oct 11, 2017, 1:58 AM
Would a power outage in the area necessarily cause a power outage in the station? I remember being at New West Station during a power outage and the station itself was fine (the stores within the station were without power). I'd think the stations would be considered important enough to be on their own grid (apologies if I didn't get the terminology right).

The actual trains are on their own grid, but not sure about stations themselves. When New West has had a few power outages when I was living there, trains were running but lights, platform displays, pretty much everything except Compass readers and ticket machines were without power like the surrounding area.

Waders
Oct 11, 2017, 2:08 AM
The Globe and Mail has a good article about "stopped" escalator.

That stopped escalator? It's a tougher climb (https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/that-stopped-escalator-its-a-tougher-climb/article623713/?arc404=true)


THE QUESTION

"When an escalator is not functioning but people can still walk on it, everyone seems to avoid it and take the adjacent stairs," writes Eric Morris of Montreal. He wonders why. An escalator that has stopped and a set of stairs are basically the same thing, he says.

THE ANSWER

Not quite, says Derek Wilson, a retired engineer of Port Moody, B.C. "A typical stairway will have a tread depth of about 11 inches [28 centimetres] and a riser height of about seven inches [18 cm]" he writes. These dimensions make for a "comfortable" stairway to ascend, he says. The stairway's angle of inclination from the horizontal is about 32 to 35 degrees.

Now, as George Fowler of Halifax points out, an escalator, in contrast, "is designed as a series of platforms upon which people can stand and feel comfortable," so the tread is long relative to the rise. Yes indeed, Mr. Wilson says, that's why an escalator has a tread depth of about 16 inches (40 cm).

For an escalator to parallel an adjacent stairway, which often has intermediate landings, Mr. Wilson explains that the escalator must have an angle of about 27 degrees or more. "The geometry, then, requires that the escalator have a greater riser height of eight inches [20 cm]or more."

So, the greater riser height and tread depth of a stalled escalator make walking up it more difficult.

Mark Cole of London, Ont., adds that it's also partly in our minds. We're used to escalators that move, he says, and "have learned to adjust our pace as we plant our leading foot on what is, in essence, a belt moving away from us."

Mr. Cole says it is difficult to suppress this learned response when we step onto a stationary escalator, giving us an uneasy feeling.

For the final thought on this, though, back to Mr. Fowler, whose wife never uses a stopped escalator because, she says: "You never know when the darned thing is going to start up."

dpogue
Oct 11, 2017, 2:25 AM
The actual trains are on their own grid, but not sure about stations themselves. When New West has had a few power outages when I was living there, trains were running but lights, platform displays, pretty much everything except Compass readers and ticket machines were without power like the surrounding area.

That's my understanding. The train propulsion power substations are pretty reliable, and it's a continuous feed so that a single substation losing power theoretically wouldn't necessarily cause problems (in practice, there are some constraints).

The stations themselves have a backup battery system for emergency lighting and critical equipment, and power technicians will be dispatched to bring and connect a generator as soon as the control centre hears that power is out. A power outage (or surge) will cause all escalators to stop, and all elevators to go into fire mode (doors open at ground level). It used to take out the old ticket vending machines, but I'm not sure what happens with the Compass machines and gates.

MIPS
Oct 11, 2017, 4:15 AM
The actual trains are on their own grid, but not sure about stations themselves. When New West has had a few power outages when I was living there, trains were running but lights, platform displays, pretty much everything except Compass readers and ticket machines were without power like the surrounding area.

A few years ago BC Hydro was doing work around Nanaimo station and had to switch the power off. Train service still ran through the station fine but there was a diesel generator hooked into the backup connection at the front of the building to provide minimal lighting and TVM functionality.

VancouverOfTheFuture
Oct 13, 2017, 9:54 PM
i noticed the other day that the formerly green, now white tubular frames are starting to get some dark/dirt looking accumulation at the bottoms where they curve to connect to the guide-way. i noticed it at Commercial-Broadway Station.

MIPS
Oct 14, 2017, 12:23 AM
That just means the honeymoon is over. ;)

Now you get to see first hand WHY in the lower mainland you don't use white unless you are promising to commit time to the maintenance and cleaning of an object for the remainder of its life.

officedweller
Nov 18, 2017, 6:58 AM
Metrotown Station
by Yellow Fever @SSC

October 4th:

Metrotown Station

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4457/36951171373_a7e3fa6fcb_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/YifpTB)20171004_124646 (https://flic.kr/p/YifpTB) by Hung Lam (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4497/36951154703_a0e423a7af_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/YifjWc)20171004_124844 (https://flic.kr/p/YifjWc) by Hung Lam (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4445/36951205273_3baabacce7_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/YifzY6)20171004_124521 (https://flic.kr/p/YifzY6) by Hung Lam (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

http://vancouver.skyrisecities.com/forum/threads/metrotown-station-upgrades.26823/page-2

October 31st:

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4445/26350236849_a2e4509879_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/G9tRor)IMG_7425 (https://flic.kr/p/G9tRor) by Hung Lam (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4495/38095210862_5825f1ccb9_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/213kUYo)IMG_7430 (https://flic.kr/p/213kUYo) by Hung Lam (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4494/26350221709_49acc3b5c8_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/G9tLTp)IMG_7431 (https://flic.kr/p/G9tLTp) by Hung Lam (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4520/38095206022_08e314a482_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/213kTwW)IMG_7435 (https://flic.kr/p/213kTwW) by Hung Lam (https://www.flickr.com/photos/147784253@N06/), on Flickr

cganuelas1995
Dec 14, 2017, 8:41 AM
Saw them doing more work on the Brighouse station bus loop. Tried to take a pic but my phone denied that request.

I saw some workers with a digger and it looked like they were moving utilities or something.

Sheba
Dec 14, 2017, 9:54 PM
Listening to the TransLink Open Board Meeting now (he really needs to move closer to the mic!). It was announced that Metrotown Station should be completed second quarter next year.

Dave2
Dec 28, 2017, 4:44 AM
Three of the four new escalators at Metrotown have been out of order for two days now. Only one down escalator is working.

mcminsen
Jan 6, 2018, 5:14 AM
Commercial - Broadway.

Oct.4 '17, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/924/EeTfSI.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/poEeTfSIj)




Update on Commercial - Broadway. The first four pics below are from Wednesday, the last two are from today.


Jan.3-5 '18, my pics
http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/5JUvKI.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pm5JUvKIj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/tvmqCI.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pntvmqCIj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/ulZqko.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmulZqkoj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/4jLBCB.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pn4jLBCBj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/922/q0dWjJ.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pmq0dWjJj)


http://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/1280x1024q90/923/4Rzev0.jpg (https://imageshack.com/i/pn4Rzev0j)

officedweller
Jan 6, 2018, 8:44 AM
Great update, thanks!

I find the differing angles of the support braces/struts in the last 2 pics a bit annoying to look at.

MIPS
Jan 6, 2018, 6:18 PM
I like how there is already graffitti up there. :rolleyes:

Feathered Friend
Jan 7, 2018, 2:03 AM
Great update McMinsen :) It's nice to see this coming together, I only wish it would have been planned to sync up with the plaza space Westbank is proposing.

BobLoblawsLawBlog
Jan 7, 2018, 5:59 AM
I like how there is already graffitti up there. :rolleyes:

It's not too hard. Commercial Broadway is a really popular spot for graffiti in Vancouver. The way to get on the shoppers building is to go climb on the fence where the hide the trash on the far east part of the building, then jump on the little glass part that hangs over the sidewalk. Jump on the roof and you're up there.