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mr.x
Oct 20, 2007, 8:01 PM
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SIGNIFICANT UPGRADES FOR BROADWAY, MAIN STREET, AND METROTOWN SKYTRAIN STATIONS

Translink, the Greater Vancouver Transportation Authority, intends to conduct significant upgrade to three high volume SkyTrain stations along the Expo Line - Broadway, Main, and Metrotown stations.

These stations play a central role in the transportation network and currently experience significant access and capacity constraints. Demands on these stations will continue to grow with expansion of the regional transit network, regional population growth and land use change around the stations.
Translink has recently completed design work for these three stations that, when implemented, will allow the stations to meet current and future ridership demands. These major station upgrades will be completed by the end of 2009, prior to the 2010 Olympic Winter Games.

Given the importance of these station to the network and the limited time available for construction, a Phasing Strategy for these projects is critical to the successful implementation of the station plans. The Phasing Strateg will manage system and operational impacts and maximize cost and time effieciencies gained from taking a coordinated approach to the upgrades.



ARCHITECTS

Broadway Station: Via Architecture/Stantec Architecture
Metrotown Station: Busby Perkins & Will Architects
Main Street-Science World Station: Hotson Bakker Boniface Haden Architects





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mr.x
Oct 20, 2007, 8:01 PM
BROADWAY STATION REDESIGN

The planned Broadway Station renovations can be summarized as follows:

1) Station entrance on Broadway
- Remove existing 2 coiling grilles,
- Remove elevator,
- Relocate eletrical riser next to new elevator
- Install 2 new coiling grilles,
- Create a CRU

2) Centre stairs
- Reduce the width of the stairs, and install a new escalator

3) Centre of the station
- Accommodate the exist from Safeway and provide connection between Safeway and Station fire alarm systems
- Extend the concourse space by enclosing the currently exterior space to the south of the station
- Extend the concourse space by replacing west wall by glazing,
- Create 2 CRU's

4) South of the Station
- Remove existing emergency stairs,
- Create new stairs,
- Install a new elevator,
- Install 2 new coiling grilles.

5) General improvements
- improved lighting,
- improved signage/wayfinding,
- new flooring,
- replacing metal mesh screens with glass panels.

6) Other
- expanded passarelle between Broadway and Commercial Drive Stations
- expanded entry to Commercial Drive Station from Commercial Drive
- integration of adjacent paved area and implementation of customer amenities.

7) Cost
- $25 million



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mr.x
Oct 20, 2007, 8:02 PM
METROTOWN STATION REDESIGN

Starting in January 2006, Translink and the City of Burnaby hired a team of consultants to recommend options for upgrading Metrotown Station, the second highest ridership SkyTrain station in the greater Vancouver region. The team engaged a variety of stakeholders from both agencies, along
with representatives from SkyTrain and Coast Mountain Bus Company. A Station Assessment report was completed, “Metrotown SkyTrain Station Transit Village Plan – Site Assessment & Design Concepts Report.” That report identified five key issues for the station plan to address:

• Ridership at Metrotown Station exceeds the existing station capacity, and ridership is projected to grow.
• No direct, accessible paths are provided at the station from any direction.
• The bus loop does not meet existing capacity needs and presents pedestrian safety hazards.
• The superblock pattern of development at Metrotown reduces the station catchment area, particularly to high density housing to the north.
• The streets throughout the station area are oriented toward automobiles only and do not support high levels of walking.


In addition the site assessment recommended more detailed analysis of the following design options:


A) STATION BUILDING

1) West Entrance
- Improves circulation and expands capacity, including both vertical circulation and platform capacity.

2) Lengthened platform
- To improve the utility of a new west entrance, the platform may be lengthened by 20 metres to the west.

3) South platform
- Possible means to expand vertical circulation and platform capacity, but introduces operational, wayfinding and circulation challenges.

4) Expanded Mezzaine
- Connecting the east Station House to the existing elevator can provide accessible connection to passarelle and mall.
- Connecting the existing elevator to a future Station Square passarelle can provide an accessible connection to the mall.

5) Passarelle
- The existing passarelle to Metropolis can be widened to improve capacity
- A new passarelle can connect the existing elevator to Station Square.
- A new passarelle could connect a new west station house to a redeveloped Station Square

6) Bus Exchange
- Narrow Exchange: In this option, buses are looped around the station
building, with a new bus-only road between Central and Beresford. The BC Parkway would be routed on a dedicated path between the busway and Beresford.
- Wide Exchange: In this option, buses are looped around the station building, with a new bus-only road between Central and Beresford. The BC Parkway would be routed on a dedicated path between the busway and Beresford.

7) Bus Layover
- Central/Beresford: Buses laying over would be provided curb spaces
alongside the BC Parkway along Central and/or Beresford, immediately adjacent to the bus exchange
- Bus Loop: The existing bus loop would be used for layover.

8) Cost
- $25.071 million



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Recommended Upgrade Elements

There is a package of station improvements that clearly meet the study’s technical requirements and evaluation criteria. These include:

• Lengthened platform. The original Metrotown Station was designed to allow the platform to be lengthened to the west, in acknowledgement that this would be a high ridership station. Lengthening the platform allows trains to be staggered at the station, reducing crowding from passengers waiting to board trains. Lengthening the platform also puts the base of the stairs and escalators for a new west entrance precisely at the middle of a relocated bus exchange.

• West Station House. This is critical for two primary reasons: 1) It balances loads of passengers waiting for trains on the platform, relieving current crowding at the east end of the platform, and 2) It provides critical additional vertical circulation to the platform with out compromising passenger circulation on the platform through additional mid-platform stairs and escalators. A new West Station House strongly complements a lengthened plat form and relocation bus exchange.

• New elevators. The existing elevator is slow, opaque and inefficient. It would be replaced by a pair of modern, transparent elevators located at the new midpoint of the lengthened platform, allowing the existing elevator to remain in place during construction. The new elevators would provide redundancy, allowing one to maintain access to the platform while the other was closed for maintenance.

• Improved East Station House. Once the new West Station House is completed, the existing East Station House can be modernized. It would be made level with the passarelle, eliminating the existing steps. It would also be made more transparent, as in the Millennium Line Gilmore Station.

• Improved passarelle. The existing station passarelle would be widened and made more transparent to provide better passenger comfort and personal security. Stairs at the east Station House would be eliminated. The passarelle would also be redesigned to highlight the regional significance of the Metrotown station and area.

• Station roof and enclosure. A redesigned station roof and enclosure would not only provide weather protection for the entire length of the platform, but also provide more transparency and mark the station as a major landmark.

• Bus exchange. The bus exchange would be moved out of the current bus loop area and routed around the station itself. The bus loop would be maintained for bus layover, and as an important bus stop serving the front door of Metropolis.

• BC Parkway Improvements and urban plaza. Separated bicycle and pedestrian paths are included through the station area, connecting to continuous paths being implemented between New Westminster and Vancouver. At the station, care is taken to address conflicts between through cyclists and transit passengers. A very high level of design amenity is provided at the ground level to ensure both the functionality of the space as a major transit exchange, as well as a destination in its own right, as one of the symbolic “front doors” of Burnaby.

• Neighbourhood connections. Improved pedestrian access is provided on all sides, connecting to Maywood, ground level destinations north of Central, and second level destination at Metropolis and the MetroTowers.



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Station poised for $25M refit

By Leslie Dickson
NewsLeader

Oct 18 2007

Metrotown SkyTrain Station is set to get a $25 million facelift.

The expansion would address overcrowding on the SkyTrain station platform, an overtaxed transit exchange below the station off Central Boulevard, and poor bike and pedestrian access to the station among other issues.

Key upgrades outlined in the Metrotown Transit Village Study presented to Burnaby council Monday include:

• A new roof and enclosure for Metrotown SkyTrain Station, as well as an extended platform

• New westbound station access;

• Upgrades to the east entrance;

• A rebuilt passarelle, or passageway, to the station;

• New elevators; and

• A new transit exchange/public plaza under the SkyTrain station.

Improved signage and access for people heading to and from Metrotown SkyTrain from Kingsway and the Maywood and Grange residential neighbourhoods are also proposed.

The report notes TransLink has budgeted $25 million for improvements to the Metrotown SkyTrain Station in its 2008 Financial Plan. Metrotown is among TransLink’s three busiest SkyTrain stations, along with Burnaby/Commercial in Vancouver and Surrey Central.

Specific details will be brought forward in future reports, in partnership with TransLink and other groups. The Metrotown SkyTrain station refit would require TransLink to bring forward a rezoning proposal to the City of Burnaby to go ahead.

Coun. Nick Volkow, chair of Burnaby’s transportation committee, welcomed the major refit to the SkyTrain station.

“It’s long overdue,” Volkow said Wednesday. “Nothing’s really been done to it since it opened in maybe ‘83 or ‘84.”

Volkow noted the proposed extended platform would allow passengers to board a six-car train, or three of the recently redesigned cars, reducing the wait time for commuters.

The refit to the station also provides an opportunity to fix problems that have been an issue since the beginning, including the transit exchange below the SkyTrain station.

“We’ve been quite fortunate there haven’t been any major accidents between buses and people,” said Volkow.”

Volkow added one of the major things missing not just at Metrotown, but at every SkyTrain station, is public toilets, the lack of which could be deterring seniors and mothers with small children from taking transit.

“This is the 21st century. I think we should get with the program,” said Volkow.

Other TransLink transit improvements expected for Burnaby soon are B Line service between SFU and downtown Vancouver, and expanded service for the #130 route between Metrotown and North Vancouver, and #25 route between Brentwood mall and UBC.








Metrotown station bursting at seams
Study says $25 million in work needed to upgrade Skytrain Station

Brooke Larsen, Burnaby Now
Published: Wednesday, October 17, 2007

Burnaby's Metrotown SkyTrain station is bursting at the seams and needs more than $25 million in upgrades.

That's according to a transit study funded by the City of Burnaby, TransLink and the federal government that highlights overcrowding at the station. Released this week, the study calls for a longer platform and wider walkways, along with improved access for cyclists, pedestrians and wheelchairs.

TransLink is expected to pay for the upgrades, with some help from the city and the province.

City councillors will consider the plans - still in the early stages - at a council meeting Oct. 22. In 2005, council agreed to share the cost of the $150,000 study with TransLink and the federal government.

The study shows growth and development in Metrotown has stretched capacity of the SkyTrain station, causing overcrowding and blocking access for bikes.

"The centre platform, escalators, ticketing concourse and elevators are undersized to meet current demand," the report states.

"Current crowding of the station platform during peak periods does not allow bikes to access the system."

The report also points out that the overhead walkway from the bus loop to the station is crowded and not accessible to those in wheelchairs. The walkway is now used by 40,000 people each day.

Coun. Sav Dhaliwal, who sits on the city's transportation committee, said he's glad to see so many people using transit.

"Obviously, we are victims of success," Dhaliwal said in an interview Tuesday.

But he believes the station needs major upgrades to make transit safer and more inviting to users.

"The station needs to be looked at in terms of accessibility - I don't think it really handles the volume of people safely."

The report calls for a redesigned station roof and enclosure similar to those on the Millennium Line, along with an extension of the station platform to boost capacity.

Plans also include the replacement or improvement of the existing overhead walkway so that it could be used by wheelchairs.

New elevators, upgrades to the east station entrance and a new mezzanine, a new bus loop and a possible second overhead walkway connecting Metropolis to the upgraded station are also part of the plans.

The study also looked at boosting access for pedestrians and cyclists, calling for improvements to pedestrian and cyclist routes.

Dhaliwal said Burnaby could start a trend by including public washrooms at the station.

"I think it would make travellers more comfortable," he added.

TransLink's 2008 financial plan includes $25 million for the station upgrades, the report states. Additional funding could come from the city and province. If design starts this fall, construction could follow in 2008.

Changes would be advanced through rezoning applications from TransLink.


© Burnaby Now 2007

mr.x
Oct 20, 2007, 8:02 PM
MAIN STREET STATION REDESIGN

In December 2006, Hotson Bakker Boniface Haden Architects + Urbanistes, BTY Quantity Surveyors Ltd., and Earth Tech Consulting Engineers were engaged by Translink to undertake schematic design and costing for renovations to the Main Street Expo Line Skytrain Station.

Key Design Considerations
• Enhancement of elevator and escalator access to the east end of the platform.
• Improving visual and experiential connections between the bus pick up and
drop off points (on both sides of Main Street) and the station entries.
• Enhancement of the mezzanine level on the west side of the platform.
• Enhancement of general pedestrian flow on both sides of the platform.
• Enhancement of adjacency challenges with respect to adjoining retail and residential space on the west side of Main Street.
• Improving the urban design condition.
• Increasing the revenue opportunities for the station if possible.
• Improving the platform experience.
• Enhancing the station’s overall architectural, visual and experiential qualities.



Design Solution

Skytrain/Bus Connection Improvements
- The design proposes extended canopies (bus shelters) on both sides of Main Street to enhance links between the Skytrain and the bus loading and offloading. In addition, stairs and escalators are reoriented to face Main Street.

Eastside Improvements
- A new station house is provided on the east side with reoriented two stage escalators, an elevator, and an architecturally unique oval security screen.

Westside Improvements
- A re-alignment and addition of an escalator onto the eastern face of the platform provides a direct visual link between the vertical circulation to the mezzanine level and the major bus offloading and loading point. The existing south facing entry will be upgraded with the an escalator and stairs will be
replaced. New retail space will be inserted along the Terminal Avenue street front.

Platform Improvements
- The existing platform remains intact with the exception of the east end addition. Architectural improvements include a clip-on to conceal the existing truss structure and a new glass safety barrier to replace the existing chain link barrier.

Cost
- $9.693 million




Preferred Option

The preferred option was then developed in terms of architectural form.


1) Skytrain/Bus Connection Improvements

In order to enhance the links between the Skytrain and the bus loading and offloading points on both side of the street, the preferred design proposes extended canopies (bus shelters) on both side of Main Street. The intention of these canopies is to allow transferring passengers to move under cover
from the bus to the Skytrain station and vice versa. In addition, in order to enhance these links, stairs and escalators are reoriented to face Main Street on both the west and east side of the platform.


2) Eastside Improvements

The insertion of a new station house on the east side with reoriented two stage escalators, and elevator, and an architecturally unique oval security screen is proposed. This accommodates the enhanced functional requirements for both escalators and elevators, minimizes the platform extension, and provides a dramatic architectural statement of station enhancement.



3) Westside Improvements

On the west side, a re-alignment and addition of an escalator on to the eastern face of the platform provides a direct visual link between the vertical circulation to the mezzanine level and the major bus offloading and loading point. While this design requires the reconfiguration of the existing Starbucks, it will enhance pedestrian flow and visual links between the bus passengers and the Skytrain entry. In addition the existing south facing entry will be upgraded with the addition of an escalator and the replacement of the stairs. Finally, new retail space will be inserted along the Terminal Avenue street
front. These new commercial spaces will enhance revenue opportunities and provide an inhabited streetscape along Terminal, while reducing the number of overhung dead spaces. This will have a positive impact from a CPTED perspective.


4) Platform Improvements

After reviewing several alternatives, it was decided that the most cost effective solution was to maintain the structure of the existing platform intact. This meant that there could be no increases (with the exception of the eastside escalator and elevator) to platform access capacity. Because of the nature of the existing station geometry any substantial increase in platform size would be extraordinarily costly. Consequently the focus was on an appropriate configuration of enhanced access at the street and mezzanine level. However, the east side enhancements would provide a much more effective way of accessing a somewhat undersized platform.

The design proposes a clip-on to conceal the existing truss structure of the platform roof. The intention of this clip-on is that there be a visual transformation of the canopy of the Main Street Station without any structural interventions. The agenda would be to create an aluminum face to the north and south side of the existing canopy structure. A lighting feature would be incorporated in this face. The clip on would allow the preservation of the existing skylights.

In addition, one of the weakest design aspects of the existing station is the chain link safety barrier. This is both visually unacceptable and does not provide any screening for the adjoining residences. The preferred design proposes a replacement of the chainlink fence with a glass railing. This glazing
could also provide a dramatic signage opportunity indicating both the name of the station and that of adjoining areas or buildings such as Southeast False Creek and/or Science World. The new barrier would also resolve the ongoing problem of neighbor complaints about lack of privacy.

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argon007
Oct 22, 2007, 10:10 PM
the mainstreet station likes the international airport.

Jarrod
Oct 23, 2007, 12:24 AM
They look decent!

I don't know about Granville station though... Those tiles going up the escelator need to be changed because everytime I'm in there I get dizzy... lol... so that would be nice to be changed as well.

giallo
Oct 23, 2007, 2:06 AM
The Main st. station is a pretty big improvement. I'm not saying that it's beautiful or anything, but it's far better than the 80s brutalism that it replaced.

agrant
Oct 23, 2007, 5:03 AM
A couple of those Main Street station pics reminds me of the communication structure in the movie Close Encounters Of The Third Kind.

clooless
Oct 23, 2007, 5:19 AM
I think if the design is actually going to incorporate "Main Street Station" on the side of the station it should simply say "Main Street." I think the public can figure out that it's a Skytrain station without the unnecessary "station" on the side of the station.

twoNeurons
Oct 23, 2007, 6:40 AM
^^^ i disagree. Your average person could think it's just an artistic way of saying the street name.

Note: Although "Pacfic Central" drops "Station" or "terminal" off its name, "central" is a term which is usually exclusively used for "train terminals."
The same can not be said of the word: "street."

Another example: Grand Central [Terminal], the much celebrate Train Terminal in New York doesn't drop the "terminal" identifier on its signage:

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edit: Btw, functionally, I think Metrotown is by far, the most improved, and looks like it will look the nicest when finished. As usual, Burnaby leads the way when it comes to anything to do with the skytrain system.

Hed Kandi
Oct 28, 2007, 2:55 PM
Nice to see that they have will havve the upgrades completed before the olympics.

deasine
Oct 28, 2007, 11:44 PM
We should get Stadium fixed up too... it's so ugly, it's worst than Main St -.-"

Hed Kandi
Oct 29, 2007, 12:18 AM
29th Ave Station also needs an overhaul.

paradigm4
Oct 29, 2007, 5:32 AM
They all need an upgrade!

hollywoodnorth
Oct 29, 2007, 6:40 AM
They all need an upgrade!


I FULLY agree :cheers:

WBC
Feb 10, 2008, 10:49 PM
So how are the renovations of these 3 stations affected by the new plans (14 billion initiative and the gates for stations)? Does the timeline change given that the province wants to expand ALL the Expo Line stations to be able to accomodate 6 MKII cars?

deasine
Feb 10, 2008, 11:39 PM
So how are the renovations of these 3 stations affected by the new plans (14 billion initiative and the gates for stations)? Does the timeline change given that the province wants to expand ALL the Expo Line stations to be able to accomodate 6 MKII cars?

Well nothing much has been done other than the lighting upgrades and metal posts at Main St. Station for the roof addition...

SpongeG
Feb 11, 2008, 12:18 AM
i thought they had factored in the renovations into the $14 billion figure

SpongeG
Feb 11, 2008, 12:21 AM
i just noticed on the main street renos - that they put a complete roof over

i wonder if that will reduce noise for the condo owners - they must have complained

jlousa
Feb 11, 2008, 12:40 AM
Those city gate owners really are terrible (love the development though), they are the reason the Skytrain slows to a crawl around the bend as the trains made too much noise. The also played a huge factor (not the only factor) in the Indy race being canceled, and to think those things were there before they moved in.

Reminds me of the anti-PNE people, the fair's been there for 90+years and you want to move it, maybe you shouldn't have moved into the area.

mr.x
Feb 11, 2008, 1:00 AM
Those city gate owners really are terrible (love the development though), they are the reason the Skytrain slows to a crawl around the bend as the trains made too much noise. The also played a huge factor (not the only factor) in the Indy race being canceled, and to think those things were there before they moved in.

Reminds me of the anti-PNE people, the fair's been there for 90+years and you want to move it, maybe you shouldn't have moved into the area.

what????? that's the reason why the trains move at a turtle pace along that section? I had always thought it was because of some sort of track technical issue, that's just pathetic. Why did SkyTrain even listen to them? That's so retarded.

With all the condo tower developments along No.3 Road, I hope future condo owners won't be doing the same thing (especially along the single-tracked section).

deasine
Feb 11, 2008, 1:39 AM
what????? that's the reason why the trains move at a turtle pace along that section? I had always thought it was because of some sort of track technical issue, that's just pathetic. Why did SkyTrain even listen to them? That's so retarded.

With all the condo tower developments along No.3 Road, I hope future condo owners won't be doing the same thing (especially along the single-tracked section).

I thought it was because the track was really tight so SkyTrains have to slow down because of it.

jlousa
Feb 11, 2008, 1:40 AM
Yes that is the reason, the trains moved at a much higher speed before, but due to the sharp turn they made alot more noise, after numerous complaints they were asked to reduce the speed of the trains in that section and it's been like that for close to 10years now.

hollywoodnorth
Feb 11, 2008, 1:41 AM
Those city gate owners really are terrible (love the development though), they are the reason the Skytrain slows to a crawl around the bend as the trains made too much noise. The also played a huge factor (not the only factor) in the Indy race being canceled, and to think those things were there before they moved in.

Reminds me of the anti-PNE people, the fair's been there for 90+years and you want to move it, maybe you shouldn't have moved into the area.


or thr Coal Harbour residents complainting about the Float Plane Airport.....

SpongeG
Feb 11, 2008, 2:01 AM
i am gonna move next to the skytrain line and start complaining

whats next - i am gonna move next to a grocery store and complain that peoples shopping carts are too squeaky

don't people open their eyes when they are buying things?

SFUVancouver
Feb 12, 2008, 7:55 PM
I actually like how it slows down there. It gives riders an extended view of the downtown core and False Creek. For a few seconds' delay we give riders a postcard moment.

deasine
Feb 13, 2008, 1:30 AM
I actually like how it slows down there. It gives riders an extended view of the downtown core and False Creek. For a few seconds' delay we give riders a postcard moment.

True, many tourists GO WILD when they see it. I remember in the summer there was a group of japanese and they were on the apartment side. Then when we turned from Main St. Station, they ran to the other side to see the city skyline, capturing videos, cheering, etc.

digicult
Feb 15, 2008, 6:26 PM
The renderings of Metrotown look absolutely brilliant. I can't wait - that underground bus loop is a nightmare, incredibly loud and full of diesel smoke. Not to mention the difficulty of getting in there on a bike. Maybe at the same time they can clean the crackheads out of the area and do something useful with the old Cineplex Odeon complex. It feels like a ghost town since it's so cut off from the rest of the mall.

SpongeG
Feb 16, 2008, 10:27 PM
The renderings of Metrotown look absolutely brilliant. I can't wait - that underground bus loop is a nightmare, incredibly loud and full of diesel smoke. Not to mention the difficulty of getting in there on a bike. Maybe at the same time they can clean the crackheads out of the area and do something useful with the old Cineplex Odeon complex. It feels like a ghost town since it's so cut off from the rest of the mall.

it was posted somewhere once that the owners of that mall plan to renovate it and make it more upscale and try to bring in upscale retailers not already in metrotown serving the area residents better not having them have to go downtown to shop for labels

but they are proabbly waiting until the erst of whatever is going on with the place happens

towerguy3
Feb 28, 2008, 4:40 PM
Actually I ride that sharp bend near Main St. every day and the speed is now substantially reduced from what it was even a month ago. It's a snails pace now.

Question: in '86 when they built the current Expo Line tunnel under downtown between Stadium and Waterfront, was that originally a Railway tunnel? What year was that old tunnel built?

vanlaw
Feb 28, 2008, 6:00 PM
Actually I ride that sharp bend near Main St. every day and the speed is now substantially reduced from what it was even a month ago. It's a snails pace now.

Question: in '86 when they built the current Expo Line tunnel under downtown between Stadium and Waterfront, was that originally a Railway tunnel? What year was that old tunnel built?

It was a CPR tunnel. I think there is a plaque or something at Burrard station with details.

eduardo88
Feb 28, 2008, 6:08 PM
It was a CPR tunnel. I think there is a plaque or something at Burrard station with details.

Dunsmiur Tunnel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunsmuir_Tunnel), built in 1932

Dave2
Feb 28, 2008, 9:53 PM
Hey, I too have noticed that the eastbound trains are now proceeding at a snail's pace in along Quebec Street this past week. I wonder if someone at SkyTrain reads this board and realized that the e/b trains were going 'too fast'. The westbound slowdown started in 1996, there were some USENET threads on the issue that year... concensus at the time was that it was the noise that the trains make when going over the switches that is the reason for the slowdown... I wonder if anyone from translink would confirm this?

Didn't these people know what they were buying into when they purchased condos across from a rapid transit line? :koko: And the noise is nothing compared to say, the Chigago L, that thing is LOUD.

dreambrother808
Feb 29, 2008, 12:10 AM
And the noise is nothing compared to say, the Chigago L, that thing is LOUD.

and FUN! I love the sections that careen seemingly within an inch or two of buildings. It's a much more dramatic, rollercoaster effect than what we have on Skytrain.

towerguy3
Mar 1, 2008, 11:06 PM
SkyTrain is back to regular speed around that bend near Main St. Yesterday and today it's running at same speed as before.

SFUVancouver
Apr 22, 2008, 6:37 PM
A new Waves coffee shop is being built on the ticket level of the Stadium-Chinatown SkyTrain station.

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/9044/stadiumstncoffeeshopaprtb7.jpg
http://creativecommons.org/images/public/somerights20.png (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.5/ca/) My photo, taken April 22nd, 2008.

deasine
Apr 22, 2008, 7:57 PM
^Oh wow they did much more than the last time I saw it, which was two weeks ago. I put the picture somewhere on the forums...

I still find it ironic that they are opening coffee shops all over the station - but one isn't supposed to be drinking/eating on transit aren't they? Having said that, I support opening more shops like these, hopefully they can create Metrotown station in a way that it supports more retail space. Maybe have a plaza eastwards underneth the SkyTrain guideway.

Talking about Metrotown, does anyone know what's happening with all that construction above the bus loop/walkway between Station Square and Metro? I know they've been doing some tiling/flooring but they've been at it for quite a while... and it looks like they are doing something with the facade too...

jlousa
Apr 22, 2008, 8:53 PM
Not sure, but I thought they were going to extend the walkway outwards and make it much wider.
Also I beleive one of the makeover plans for Metrotown station involves building a concourse level under the current station so the ticket level would be alot larger then the current one and include some retail.

The coffee shops at stations make sense even if you can't take the drinks onto transit, you can now have the coffee shop as the meeting place when your friend whose's always late doesn't show up on time and you end up walking around the station for 10-15 minutes looking like a tourist who doesn't know what train to get on. :tup:

SpongeG
Apr 22, 2008, 11:11 PM
or grab one as you get off the train on your way to work...

there were putting in an international news at the brentwood station but i haven't noticed how far along it is

Dave2
Apr 22, 2008, 11:19 PM
People were drinking "Ethical Bean" coffee on the trains today.

Perhaps they should open pet stores and radio shacks :)

(Stations have long had tobacconists, but most (if not all) smokers seem to know that acutally *using* that product is not allowed on the trains, coffee drinkers don't seem to clue into that part)

dreambrother808
Apr 23, 2008, 12:49 AM
someone drinking a coffee on the train is not really something to waste any time worrying about. people do it all the time and it doesn't seem to cause any problems. but then again there are always those who just like to follow rules for rules sake.

mr.x
Apr 23, 2008, 12:52 AM
I like it, the shop has a very clean look....a lot better than those International News shops.


Is there still enough space for fare gates? I know for sure that the new shop at the Granville Station concourse will probably have to be demolished soon to make way for the gates.

deasine
Apr 23, 2008, 2:58 AM
I like it, the shop has a very clean look....a lot better than those International News shops.


Is there still enough space for fare gates? I know for sure that the new shop at the Granville Station concourse will probably have to be demolished soon to make way for the gates.

Actually on second thought they don't really need to demolish that International News Stand. That would be the preferred option, but remember that floral shop [not there anymore], I think there's enough room to place the fare gates diagonally there. It might be a safety hazard with the escalators though...

Yes there is enough room at Stadium - Chinatown. I'm sure of it. The coffee shop does not take up a lot of space, I think it was right before the escalator line so it doesn't really matter.

lightrail
Apr 23, 2008, 7:15 PM
Yes there is enough room at Stadium - Chinatown. I'm sure of it. The coffee shop does not take up a lot of space, I think it was right before the escalator line so it doesn't really matter.

That might be a problem - wouldn't you want the retail to be before the ticket barriers? If it is right at the top of the escalator, where do the ticket barriers go?

mr.x
Apr 23, 2008, 7:17 PM
That might be a problem - wouldn't you want the retail to be before the ticket barriers? If it is right at the top of the escalator, where do the ticket barriers go?

That's what I was thinking too.

Dave2
Apr 23, 2008, 7:17 PM
It only causes problems when people spill them, ever been on board during an emergency stop? The problem with coffee is that it's typically served hot, and could conceivably hurt someone. Seats covered in milk are less of an issue, other than reducing the seating capcity of the train. Besides, un-enforced regulations leads to disrespect for all regulations, not a week goes by when a cylist doesn't try to force his way on in the "wrong" direction in rush hour.

officedweller
Apr 23, 2008, 8:54 PM
For the fare gates, there could be fences/railings installed adjacent to the gates, so the gates can be located in what is currently a wide open area.
You wouldn't want them too close to the upper landing of an "up" escalator, for example - imagine a slow person and people piling up behind.

deasine
Apr 25, 2008, 2:53 AM
Sorry I responded this late but this could a potential plan for Stadium - Chinatown. Note I did this plan and I don't fully remember what the ticket concourse area looks like.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/6392/drawing1to0.png
Stadium - Chinatown w/ faregates, coffee shop, and relocation of ticket vending machines ~ Picture by Me ~ Hosted on Imageshack

I would think this could work - although the spaces seem a little tight. I'm pretty sure they can easily widen the area as well.

On another note, here's the finally completed Ethical Bean Express at Commercial Drive station.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9359/p1000805dv0.jpg
Completed Ethical Bean Express @ Commercial Drive Station ~ Picture by Me ~ Hosted on Imageshack

mr.x
Apr 25, 2008, 2:58 AM
^ heh, the coffee shop at Stadium-Chinatown should be outside of the fare gates, not inside.


And I have to say that I love the coffee shop at Commercial Station....as long as it's not inside the fare gate enclosure.

officedweller
Apr 25, 2008, 3:23 AM
The Stadium plan looks like what I would expect. The door could be moved to the wall outside the faregates (and the old one closed of course!)

Having the coffee shop on the inside only works well for incoming passengers (which goes against the no eating on Skytrain policy), as exitng passengers wouldn't want to wrangle through the turnstiles with cup in hand and briefcase, etc.. So having it on the outside seems better.

The Commercial shop must be on the "inside" based on the bridge next to it.

deasine
Apr 25, 2008, 3:25 AM
^ heh, the coffee shop at Stadium-Chinatown should be outside of the fare gates, not inside.


And I have to say that I love the coffee shop at Commercial Station....as long as it's not inside the fare gate enclosure.

Most likely the case though as there isn't much room at that area for fare gates. It would probably be a diagonal row of fare gates at the current ticketing area.

Jacques
Apr 25, 2008, 4:33 AM
Anyone has any idea as which company will set up shop at Chinatown-Stadium station "Ethical Bean " maybe ?
TY

I used to buy this coffee on a little shop at Davie and Burrard, but since they closed, I go Beans from around the world on Powell.
be nice to have them at that station
cheer

SFUVancouver
Apr 25, 2008, 4:37 AM
^ It is going to be a Waves coffee shop.

twoNeurons
Apr 25, 2008, 5:05 PM
The commercial station kiosk IS inside the FAre Paid Zone. It's right in front of you when you get of the M-Line and go up the stairs.

There are lots of coffee places that operate inside fare-paid zones.

I think in Berlin every station has a little newstand / candy shop inside each station.

deasine
Apr 25, 2008, 8:35 PM
The commercial station kiosk IS inside the FAre Paid Zone. It's right in front of you when you get of the M-Line and go up the stairs.

There are lots of coffee places that operate inside fare-paid zones.

I think in Berlin every station has a little newstand / candy shop inside each station.

That's what I thought. And I don't mind shops being in the fare paid zone either/fare gates either. It would be better if they begin the distance based fare system so that you don't have to be charged for walking into the fare paid zone to get a cup of coffee from your favorite coffee shop then walk back without having pay for anything.

At transitcamp, there were many discussions of having amenities inside stations like coffee shops and bakeries [haha... just the thought of smelling fresh bread coming out of the oven sounds nice though it will never happen].

SpongeG
Apr 26, 2008, 5:10 AM
theres a store inside granville station after you go down the long escalator

well there used to be been a long time since i've used that station

deasine
Apr 26, 2008, 5:18 AM
theres a store inside granville station after you go down the long escalator

well there used to be been a long time since i've used that station

And is supposed to be an International News Stand... but it's been taking a while now...

SpongeG
Apr 26, 2008, 5:22 AM
so theres no store now?

in the 90's there was a store way down there on the west bound level i remember using it a few times and there was a florsit on the main ticket level

shows you how long ago i used the skytrain to granville station

lol

Jacques
Apr 26, 2008, 10:45 AM
^ It is going to be a Waves coffee shop.
thanks at least they will have fair trade coffee , COOL

mr.x
Jul 1, 2008, 3:25 AM
not sure which station this is
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7799/84205112kt8.png

deasine
Jul 1, 2008, 3:36 AM
Is that the metro one? I saw it on TransLink's website but I couldn't figure out which one... =S

mr.x
Jul 1, 2008, 3:39 AM
actually, i'm not sure if that really is Metrotown. :p

it seems a bit low, considering there's an overpass to get you to the mall.

SpongeG
Jul 1, 2008, 3:45 AM
what direction would that be?

from the library looking south east?

jlousa
Jul 1, 2008, 3:47 AM
Looks like the extended Broadway station to me.

deasine
Jul 1, 2008, 3:59 AM
Looks like the extended Broadway station to me.

Is that a guess or an answer? =D =P I can't tell...

And that was originally my guess but then there won't be a new roof (although I would hope for one) and it's missing the other proposed entrance.

Either way, whatever that is, it looks nice and simple.

Jared
Jul 1, 2008, 4:02 AM
I'm pretty sure that's Broadway Station, looking North-East from Commercial Drive. The staircases match what is currently there, and I have seen the rounded sides for BWY STN shown before on some previous renderings.

What I'm confused about is how these station upgrades tie in with the capacity doubling. Presumably, they'll need to lengthen platforms, so you would think they'd wait for that before they start renovating. This rendering does not appear to show any platform lengthening.

SpongeG
Jul 1, 2008, 5:20 AM
they aren't extending broadway though

and they are adding an entrance to the south

jlousa
Jul 1, 2008, 4:17 PM
That is correct as it stands now the platform lenghtening and the makeovers are two seperate projects, as the lengthening isn't set for quite a few years but the make overs are starting right away at Metrotown/Main/Broadway. I agree that it seems like a waste and those three stations should be extended while they are worked on anyways to save some money.

Jared
Jul 1, 2008, 4:18 PM
they aren't extending broadway though

and they are adding an entrance to the south

Thats exactly my point. They aren't extending it in this plan (same goes for Main; Metrotown might be extended) but to double the capacity (as per $14B plan) they'll have to extend it, along with the rest of the stations.

twoNeurons
Jul 1, 2008, 10:15 PM
Could be Patterson

SFUVancouver
Jul 2, 2008, 5:09 AM
I heard once from a CityGate resident that they were still waiting for 'their' park and it was said as if they were suffering from a complete lack of parks. In fact they have a giant full-block park between them and the train station with street lights at both ends, they have the Science World park in front of them, which is larger than most neighbourhood parks throughout the city, and they have Andy Livingstone Park a block away with its sports fields and nicely landscaped stream area. But of course they are still waiting for the one at the Northeast corner of False Creek and until it is complete they won't be content.

mr.x
Jul 2, 2008, 5:11 AM
^ and then they have the up and coming community centre and parks at SEFC.

officedweller
Jul 2, 2008, 7:32 PM
It's an elevated centre platform - no mezzanine station.
Rules out downtown stations, Main St., Nanaimo, 29th Ave., Metrotown, Edmonds, 22nd Ave (outside platforms?), New West (due to Plaza 88), and Columbia.

My guess is also the old part of Broadway Station, but the road isn't that close to it.

vanlaw
Jul 2, 2008, 7:43 PM
Maybe Joyce? looking SE from the NW?

officedweller
Jul 2, 2008, 7:52 PM
Yeah, could be Joyce looking from SE to NW. There's a condo tower in the right location @ Joyce.

deasine
Jul 2, 2008, 10:23 PM
I don't think it's Joyce station because Joyce's platform goes over Joyce Street. This one doesn't, or at least it doesn't seem like it.

twoNeurons
Jul 3, 2008, 12:34 AM
Patterson

hollywoodnorth
Jul 3, 2008, 1:15 AM
ya its Patterson...but the Stairs and Escalator have been changed directions....so the station opens to Patterson.....like it always should have ;)

SFUVancouver
Jul 3, 2008, 7:49 AM
I think it might be the re-redesigned Main Street station. I have heard that there will be a total removal of the mezzanine level and the circular pavilion with the new core on the east side of the station might have been redesigned as part of the platform extension to accommodate the longer trains.

deasine
Jul 3, 2008, 8:11 AM
I think it might be the re-redesigned Main Street station. I have heard that there will be a total removal of the mezzanine level and the circular pavilion with the new core on the east side of the station might have been redesigned as part of the platform extension to accommodate the longer trains.

That could be the case because the building matches the apartment building right beside the station.

Having said that, it seems like this is a HUGE extension, more than 18m for sure. The roof design also matches the current Main Street Science world...

I'm going to send an email to TransLink -_-"

officedweller
Jul 3, 2008, 6:33 PM
I don't think it's Main St. as it doesn't have provision for the staircase on the east side of Main Street.

deasine
Jul 27, 2008, 6:27 PM
Broadway Station Upgrades
Significant upgrades to Broadway Station are scheduled to begin this fall and carry on until the end of 2009. The upgrades are needed to increase the station's passenger capacity, improve accessibility and provide for increased long term transit system ridership.

The Broadway/Commercial station complex plays a central role in the regional transportation network with an estimated 140,000 boardings (ons) and alightings (offs) per day. The station complex experiences extreme congestion at times, and TransLink anticipates that passenger volumes will double over the next decade.

The Broadway Station Phase One upgrade includes:

Relocated elevator to relieve congestion at the north end of the platform
New 10th Avenue entrance including, new stairs, escalator, elevator and expanded concourse area to improve access, convenience and aesthetics
Replacement of existing metal mesh screens at the street level with glass in order to improve security and interior station environment
Phase Two of the project will focus on major capacity improvements to the Broadway/Commercial hub and is currently in the initial planning stages. A construction schedule will be posted once it is available.

Source: TransLink

paradigm4
Aug 1, 2008, 11:51 PM
Ethical Bean is going in Granville where the former flower shop was.

deasine
Aug 2, 2008, 12:22 AM
Ethical Bean is going in Granville where the former flower shop was.

So that`s where they are opening it... i was wondering where since they had granville as the future location on their website

VanExPat
Sep 26, 2008, 12:27 AM
I was entering Broadway Station at about 2:30 today and there was a sizeable group of middle aged men in hard hats, carrying clipboards and surveying the site. Looked like some kind of site orientation for engineers. Good to see things moving forward.

Metro-One
Sep 26, 2008, 1:33 AM
What is happening at Patterson station? It seems like some rather large renos but i thought the renos were going to coincide with the station extending? They should make the platform extensions, turn-style system and any other renos just one project.

deasine
Sep 26, 2008, 2:17 AM
It's been mentioned at the General Discussion thread, they are painting the station silver.

paradigm4
Sep 26, 2008, 2:52 AM
Here's some 3D mockups of the Broadway station redesign. They were posted on the SkyTrain unconference blog (http://skytrainunconference.ca/2008/09/broadway-skytrain-station-renovations/)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3109/2888403701_e2739152fa.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3248/2889236354_906229eae4.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3281/2889236314_378438dd4a.jpg?v=0

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3159/2889236296_5ea3030176.jpg?v=0

mr.x
Sep 26, 2008, 4:43 AM
^ neat, thanks....the relocation of the elevator will do wonders.

Jared
Sep 26, 2008, 6:20 AM
So if I understand correctly, there will eventually be two upgrades to Broadway station? This first one, and then the second "double the capacity on the Expo Line" (presumably including some manner of platform lengthening) one?

Lead
Sep 26, 2008, 6:20 AM
^ Do the renovations include the platform extension?

Jared
Sep 26, 2008, 6:25 AM
If you mean this first batch:

based on the last two renders, I see no evidence of any extentions, either Northwards or Southwards.

If you mean for the second set:

I assume they would need to in order to double the capacity. Of course, its still not clear whether they mean double our current capacity, or whether they mean to double the theoretical maximum capacity.

There's also the issue of the Millenium Line trains that go from Waterfront to VCC (and eventually UBC); even if you have 120m platforms along Vancouver to Columbia, these trains can still be no longer than 80m, since they have to fit into the Columbia to VCC stations as well.

Metro-One
Sep 26, 2008, 6:27 AM
:previous: This is what i was trying to ask. It seems like a big waste of money to do 2 or 3 sets of renovations in a short period of time, the current renovation renders, the platform extensions and the turn-style installment. Would it not make more sense to do all 3 at the same time? I find the situation a little confusing.

paradigm4
Sep 26, 2008, 6:34 PM
:previous: This is what i was trying to ask. It seems like a big waste of money to do 2 or 3 sets of renovations in a short period of time, the current renovation renders, the platform extensions and the turn-style installment. Would it not make more sense to do all 3 at the same time? I find the situation a little confusing.

Well considering that the province did absolutely no consultation with TransLink and simply told them "you are going to install turnstiles and extend the platforms" during the media blitz, it's no surprise that this is the first of a series of renos. Frankly, it's takes a hell of a long time to move from concept to planning to consultation to financing to design to construction, so actually, would you rather have an improved Broadway station now, or wait 10 more years until a huge retrofit is done?

There's a reason TransLink is waging an anti-turnstiles war with the province through the media. It's because the province hasn't coughed up the dough to make it happen, no planning has actually ever been done to calculate the extent and cost of renovations required to the Expo Line stations to install turnstiles, and TransLink would rather spend the money elsewhere anyways.

Platform extensions are a similar issue. There's been no money or planning. I know TransLink realizes, at some point, they will no longer be able to increase frequencies and will have to look at three trains, but this was believed to not be needed till at least 2020, and even then only at the busiest of stations.

Take everything the province promises with a huge grain of salt. Hell, they could be removed from office and all the plans could be flushed down the toilet.

/rant

Metro-One
Sep 26, 2008, 7:23 PM
:previous: Thank you, i understand the situation better now. I still believe its a big waste of money not to do as much as possible at once. A more bilateral concrete plan i still wish was in place.

ravman
Sep 26, 2008, 10:02 PM
Well considering that the province did absolutely no consultation with TransLink and simply told them "you are going to install turnstiles and extend the platforms" during the media blitz, it's no surprise that this is the first of a series of renos. Frankly, it's takes a hell of a long time to move from concept to planning to consultation to financing to design to construction, so actually, would you rather have an improved Broadway station now, or wait 10 more years until a huge retrofit is done?

There's a reason TransLink is waging an anti-turnstiles war with the province through the media. It's because the province hasn't coughed up the dough to make it happen, no planning has actually ever been done to calculate the extent and cost of renovations required to the Expo Line stations to install turnstiles, and TransLink would rather spend the money elsewhere anyways.

Platform extensions are a similar issue. There's been no money or planning. I know TransLink realizes, at some point, they will no longer be able to increase frequencies and will have to look at three trains, but this was believed to not be needed till at least 2020, and even then only at the busiest of stations.

Take everything the province promises with a huge grain of salt. Hell, they could be removed from office and all the plans could be flushed down the toilet.

/rant

its called an election ploy

paradigm4
Oct 2, 2008, 8:53 PM
So, turns out Patterson is going green, not silver as we previously thought. The silver was a primer for that dark green that is at 29th Ave. The painter also told me that there are plans underway to completely close Main St stations for almost four months during the renos there. Wonder if there's any truth to that...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3116/2905183325_794da626a4.jpg

deasine
Oct 3, 2008, 4:33 AM
darn!

Gordon
Oct 4, 2008, 8:34 PM
I would be very surprised if thy were going to close Main Street station for 4 months during the renovations because that is one of the busier stations and they are doing the same renos to Broadway Station and I would imagine that closing Broadway Station is not an option. Broadway is the busiest transit hub in the system.


Does any one know when the renovations on Broadway Station start?

Jared
Oct 4, 2008, 11:56 PM
The painter also told me that there are plans underway to completely close Main St stations for almost four months during the renos there. Wonder if there's any truth to that...




Was the painter wearing an orange vest? :P