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miketoronto
10-21-2007, 03:52 AM
Following is an article from the Toronto Star. All I can say is finally a transit boss who understands transit must offer a service that competes well with the auto, if it is to attract riders.
To bad this guy was not asked to revamp the TTC bus system. Because the last thing TTC worries about is speed.

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http://www.thestar.com/article/264566


New boss on Mississauga buses

Oct 08, 2007 04:30 AM
Tess Kalinowski
Transportation Reporter

He's got a reputation for steady-handed leadership, but Geoff Marinoff knows he'll have to shake things up in his new role as director of Mississauga Transit.

An engineer with an appreciation for no-nonsense efficiency born of his Canadian Forces years, Marinoff was hired from the TTC to grab the wheel of Mississauga's bus system at a time of unprecedented challenge.

Long considered synonymous with sprawl, the city has an urgent need to coax residents out of their cars and onto a bus. It will be the soft-spoken Marinoff's job to take that bus service where it's never gone before.

"Where people work, live and play doesn't respect lines on a map," he says of the challenge to provide reliable transit links through the city's labyrinth of subdivisions and industrial sites built to distance homes from high-traffic arteries.

Mississauga Transit's goal is to increase its 29 million annual bus rides by 25 per cent in the next five years. To do that, it will add 75 buses to its fleet of about 390 and increase service hours from 1.1 million per year to 1.4 million.

The bus garage near Burnhamthorpe and Mavis Rds. is being expanded and the city has taken the lead in testing a regional fare card to make it more convenient for riders to transfer to other transit systems.

There's a new bus corridor on the books and talk of light rail for the Hurontario and Dundas corridors.

Mississauga Transit has two kinds of customers – captive riders who don't have access to a car, and those with a choice. Even drivers who won't take the bus in off-hours can be persuaded to use it to commute to work, if the speed and convenience are competitive.

"What we're really talking about is getting the `choice rider' to leave the car in the driveway," says Marinoff, 46, who spent more than seven years at the TTC, most recently as deputy general manager of subway operations.

A long-time resident of Mississauga's Applewood area, Marinoff points to his own commute as a classic example. Four days a week, he drives. It takes about eight minutes. Once a week he rides the bus, which also takes about eight minutes to get him to the city centre. There, however, he has to wait 16 minutes to catch a connecting bus to the transit offices, near Burnhamthorpe Rd. west of Mavis.

Trim that 16-minute wait by 10 minutes and you've got a far better commute option.

"To get that choice rider, we really have to compete on speed.

To do that, you need to provide a good service, with good frequencies, with competitive travel times in competition with the car – a pretty daunting task," he says. "That's why you have to do things differently than in the past."

What Mississauga Transit needs is the backbone that the TTC gives riders with the subway – a spine of frequent, reliable service through a key corridor.

Bus rapid transit with signal priority can help in the short term, and maybe light rail in the longer term, Marinoff says.

"Light rail can provide a level of comfort a city bus doesn't necessarily provide," he says. "If it's fast, reliable and free of the road network, it's very competitive over time."

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Mississauga Transit goals

29 million Number of annual bus rides on Mississauga Transit. Officials hope to increase that figure by 25 per cent in the next five years.

390 Number of buses in the fleet.

75 Number of buses it plans to add.

1.4 million Number of service hours per year it's aiming for, up from 1.1 million.
Transit chief sets sights on commuters who drive to work but have a choice

vid
10-21-2007, 01:58 PM
As fast as cars? What are we supposed to do, slingshot people onto the bus as it zooms by? They have to go slow so they can start and stop without whipping everyone around inside the bus. Unless they're going to put in good seats and seatbelts, there is no way a bus can do more than 50kmh on an average route. I think most bus cruise at just over 30kmh.

Cambridgite
10-21-2007, 02:59 PM
You may not be able to make it faster than cars in all cases, but dedicated bus-lanes in high-traffic areas could be a real incentive for choice riders.

http://www.region.waterloo.on.ca/web/region.nsf/8ef02c0fded0c82a85256e590071a3ce/BD4EA7328A0231F58525737200554252/$file/P-07-110.pdf?openelement That's precisely what GRT will be doing for highway 8, assuming the MTO approves it.

The light rail lines on Hurontario and Dundas should make a big difference for Mississauga. Both are pretty busy streets and if transit can have an exclusive right-of-way and high frequencies, it will improve the whole system.

Doady
10-21-2007, 06:44 PM
Following is an article from the Toronto Star. All I can say is finally a transit boss who understands transit must offer a service that competes well with the auto, if it is to attract riders.
To bad this guy was not asked to revamp the TTC bus system. Because the last thing TTC worries about is speed.


What the hell or you taking about? If anything, Mississauga Transit is trying follow in the footsteps of the TTC, and it says so right in the article.

Observe:

"What Mississauga Transit needs is the backbone that the TTC gives riders with the subway – a spine of frequent, reliable service through a key corridor."

Andy6
10-21-2007, 06:58 PM
What the hell or you taking about? If anything, Mississauga Transit is trying follow in the footsteps of the TTC, and it says so right in the article.

Observe:

"What Mississauga Transit needs is the backbone that the TTC gives riders with the subway – a spine of frequent, reliable service through a key corridor."


Mike was referring to TTC buses, not the subway.

Doady
10-22-2007, 06:06 PM
Mike was referring to TTC buses, not the subway.

And this article is not touting express buses as the solution either. Light-rail transit is the solution here.

Of course, they also talk improving the frequency of the buses, but which do you think has much better frequencies: MT or TTC?

Exactly.

miketoronto
10-22-2007, 09:42 PM
Actually he was talking about starting BRT routes.

In addition MT has also started pre rapid transit routes such as the City Centre to UofT M express bus on the highway.

All designed to make transit faster and more competative.

Doady
10-26-2007, 02:44 AM
No he was taking about LRT. BRT is a simple interim solution until LRT comes.



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