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City_of_Lakes
Nov 8, 2011, 5:44 PM
when is construction scheduled to begin on the next phase?

RyeJay
Nov 8, 2011, 8:15 PM
I took a couple of photos a few days ago. It's amazing how nice the area looks until that sketchy train passes by ... If only we could find a way to put that rail line to good use for the general public ...

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6114/6287769417_738f7d03d1_z.jpg

I've had the same thought regarding that rail line.

I've trekked along this track before, taking pictures. The waterfront grounds in front of the Dartmouth NSCC in particular offer spectacular views of Halifax. This area, if not suitable for development, is absolutely perfect for a park.

My thoughts included using the rail line, at least through the summer, as part of these park grounds. And to be honest, I hope the landscape of the area doesn't change with people's desire to plant grass. There is already a healthy development of trees and wildflowers, with lots of open rocky space for people. The placement of benches would be appreciated. I've had picnics there with friends a few times. It's the best lunch time spot for a bright waterfront view of the city.

halifaxboyns
Nov 9, 2011, 5:08 AM
Until the autoport was to move to another location (thus eliminating the need for this rail line) there will always be at least one train every now and then. The joy and the annoyance of the fact rail lines are federal jurisdiction.

Personally, I don't see the rail line being a big deal once the over pass (or was it an under pass) is established.

someone123
Nov 9, 2011, 6:07 AM
The renderings show an odd spiral overpass at Prince Street and then there appears to be an at-grade crossing at King Street. It seems odd they're not just doing a straight overpass but maybe the grade would be too steep. Not sure.

Somebody probably has a better idea of the construction schedule than I do but at one point I think I heard something like 2013 or 2014 for the big tower, with 12-14 storey towers A, B, C, and D constructed before then. The implication is that towers C and D would have to be started within months of the completion of the first two. I guess the hotel and other buildings to the west would come after. Not sure when the small office building by Alderney or the marinas are supposed to go in.

I'm looking forward to the point where they have a half a dozen or so buildings up and this starts to come together as more of a neighbourhood that's finished looking and is tied in with the rest of downtown Dartmouth. Good development on the big empty King Street lot is also pretty much a requirement for that. Ideally when it's all done there will be lots of people going from the old downtown area to King's Wharf and vice versa. If that happens the 1,000+ new residents (plus whatever else ends up being built nearby) will be a big shot in the arm for Portland Street.

JustinMacD
Nov 10, 2011, 9:32 PM
Dunno if it was discussed but there was story on CBC about how the Fares' want to switch one of these buildings from commercial to residential because the commercial market is very slow.

The current buildings U/C have sold 90% of their units too, very solid.

RyeJay
Nov 11, 2011, 4:14 AM
:previous:

Very promising for King's Wharf's remaining buildings.

And this will look good to other developers, pondering an investment...
I want Dartmouth to give Halifax's skyline a run for its money!

Empire
Nov 11, 2011, 2:38 PM
:previous:

Very promising for King's Wharf's remaining buildings.

And this will look good to other developers, pondering an investment...
I want Dartmouth to give Halifax's skyline a run for its money!

Agreed, it would be nice to move to the signature tower now. By the time that is done the office market could be a lot brighter.

RyeJay
Nov 12, 2011, 2:46 AM
Agreed, it would be nice to move to the signature tower now. By the time that is done the office market could be a lot brighter.

I wonder if they have this option.

Has enough of the in-fill been completed? You have a point about waiting; the market may be recovered in a couple years.

sdm
Nov 12, 2011, 4:23 PM
Agreed, it would be nice to move to the signature tower now. By the time that is done the office market could be a lot brighter.

I don't think the tower has been approved as of yet, or at least the DA indicates its?

fenwick16
Nov 12, 2011, 4:51 PM
I don't think the tower has been approved as of yet, or at least the DA indicates its?

I believe you are correct, according to this document - http://www.halifax.ca/commcoun/hecc/documents/091112Case01335.pdf (see the background section on page 2). There is a development agreement for the overall concept and master plan while the individual buildings must be approved through a series of development agreements as the project proceeds.

Wishblade
Nov 12, 2011, 6:36 PM
I believe you are correct, according to this document - http://www.halifax.ca/commcoun/hecc/documents/091112Case01335.pdf (see the background section on page 2). There is a development agreement for the overall concept and master plan while the individual buildings must be approved through a series of development agreements as the project proceeds.

The signature tower had better be approved. I can't really see any grounds for it not making it through though. If it doesn't get built the entire dynamic of Kings Wharf would be altered. If you take it away, your really left with quite a tabletop effect as the other structures are generally the same height.

fenwick16
Nov 12, 2011, 9:23 PM
The signature tower had better be approved. I can't really see any grounds for it not making it through though. If it doesn't get built the entire dynamic of Kings Wharf would be altered. If you take it away, your really left with quite a tabletop effect as the other structures are generally the same height.

I think since the Harbour East Community Council approved the master plan (on August 7th, 2008) there is a good chance that the signature tower will be approved. But that is just my biased, optimistic opinion.

Chadillaccc
Nov 14, 2011, 11:37 AM
When are they starting construction on the main tower?

-Harlington-
Nov 17, 2011, 2:51 AM
I was going to resize these but i got lazy :



http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz269/6sean/104_1307.jpg

http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz269/6sean/104_1308.jpg


http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz269/6sean/104_1309.jpg

http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz269/6sean/104_1310.jpg


http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz269/6sean/104_1311.jpg
:cool:

Jstaleness
Nov 17, 2011, 2:54 AM
So far I like the one on the left better. :cool:

resetcbu1
Nov 17, 2011, 4:19 AM
So far I like the one on the left better. :cool:

I thought the same ..... looks less stubby , not ure but are they raising the grade so it looks simillar ? I thought they were raising the ground level???

someone123
Nov 27, 2011, 10:25 PM
Here's a nice Dartmouth skyline shot with King's Wharf:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/54261290@N06/6414034399/sizes/l/in/photostream/

Josh M
Nov 27, 2011, 11:47 PM
Dartmouth is going to have a really nice skyline when King's Wharf is completed, hopefully some more buildings will be built to fill in those gaps

Dmajackson
Dec 5, 2011, 3:38 AM
These twins look great coming across the MacDonald Bridge every morning. :)

kph06
Dec 5, 2011, 10:34 PM
It looks like they are getting ready for the brick on the Keelson. These are photos of mine from yesterday.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7007/6462352393_6a8e9524de_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7141/6462358281_e3d19636bf_b.jpg
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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6462353589_1311995fb9_b.jpg

someone123
Dec 5, 2011, 11:02 PM
Thanks for the photos. These towers already look pretty nice. The ceiling heights on the lower floors for example are decent, and both buildings have a distinction between bottom and top. Buildings often look odd if they don't have those architectural features, and Halifax is particularly bad for developers squashing floors so they can get in under the height restrictions (one of many negative unintended consequences of poorly thought out development regulations).

kph06
Dec 12, 2011, 3:25 AM
Strescon was on site Saturday measuring up the apartment building, I suspect those panels will be going up in the near future. From the renderings this one will have more precast than the Keelson. The curved pieces on the end would have been difficult to fabricate. Photos by me.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6496819597_930997fdb1_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7008/6496828269_f2cea7d85b_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7166/6496825759_0bc77cd371_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7028/6496826613_756753c535_b.jpg

Jonovision
Dec 16, 2011, 3:22 AM
Windows and glass installed!

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390636_810482565229_94807507_39829401_290197292_n.jpg

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383048_810482784789_94807507_39829402_324420754_n.jpg

cormiermax
Dec 16, 2011, 4:26 AM
:banana:

Jonovision
Dec 24, 2011, 2:23 PM
I don't have a camera that is good at night shots but a long string of blue LED Christmas lights are up on the crane here. I wish more developers would light up their cranes.

Phalanx
Dec 24, 2011, 5:37 PM
I saw that the other night, but didn't have a camera with me. Meant to mention in case anyone wanted to take a picture of the lights.

bluenoser
Dec 27, 2011, 5:00 AM
Here are a few pictures from Christmas Eve (pre-festivities...)

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7171/6579471467_e19f66f0e3_o.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7023/6579471839_0a4d688419_o.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7161/6579472203_59192ceceb_o.jpg
(photos by me)

-Harlington-
Dec 27, 2011, 5:04 AM
Love that crane, they should do that more often

I bet Mount Royale would look good with all the cranes there .

Jstaleness
Dec 27, 2011, 2:39 PM
Love that crane, they should do that more often

I bet Mount Royale would look good with all the cranes there .

Yes it would. That would be visible from so many points of Halifax and Dartmouth as well.

Dmajackson
Dec 30, 2011, 6:05 AM
From Boxing Day;

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7174/6589710437_e209ed0368_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7006/6589711919_6ae55052c4_z.jpg

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http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6589715159_b5b58be132_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7168/6589716845_080913d538_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7173/6589718255_d33d0f7dd7_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7156/6589719489_d163a3a201_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7172/6589721057_a10ed40d32_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7031/6589722541_84416992f3_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6589724381_d7781d6d32_z.jpg

cormiermax
Dec 30, 2011, 8:13 AM
What goes up after these two are finished?

Great pictures Jackson.

someone123
Dec 30, 2011, 8:27 AM
Thanks everybody for the pictures.

These two towers look really good to me so far -- I like the curve on one, the podium scale, the stone on the lower floors, the bit of glass curtain wall they've put in. It looks much better than average. It will be great to see the next phase of construction.

JET
Dec 30, 2011, 12:35 PM
I really like that stone, it reminds me of the stone on many of the old buildings at Dal, random field stone. Even if it's manufactured it has a nice look.

kwajo
Dec 30, 2011, 3:24 PM
That was my first thought as well, it is very reminiscent of the stone used on the Dal and King's campuses, and definitely far above the average quality as compared to recent Halifax development.

Jstaleness
Dec 30, 2011, 4:55 PM
I really like that stone, it reminds me of the stone on many of the old buildings at Dal, random field stone. Even if it's manufactured it has a nice look.

Cool, you just answered my question. I was going to ask if the stonework was real or not.

JET
Dec 30, 2011, 5:59 PM
Cool, you just answered my question. I was going to ask if the stonework was real or not.

I don't know if it's real stone or manufactured, but it does look nice

fenwick16
Dec 30, 2011, 6:14 PM
From Boxing Day;

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6589715159_b5b58be132_z.jpg


Thanks for the pictures Dmajackson.

I can see straight seams between the balconies and windows, so the stonework is probably some type of stone veneer; but it still looks good to me. I wonder if there are still highrise buildings being constructed that have actual stone laid by masonries? Perhaps in a few more decades it will be a lost art just as plastering is becoming a lost art.

-Harlington-
Jan 2, 2012, 12:30 AM
Zoomed from the Hilll :


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7025/6602750845_ca5d7c7810_z.jpg

RyeJay
Jan 2, 2012, 3:17 AM
*foams at the mouth*

Dear god I'm so excited for this development!
And having those towers there really brings to attention the elevation of land in the background. Halifax's skyline doesn't have this.

Haligonian88
Jan 11, 2012, 11:59 PM
An update from the developer on the project:

"As you drive through the downtown Dartmouth/Halifax core, it's hard to miss the distinctive mark we're beginning to make on the skyline. We're very excited to see our vision for the development begin to take form. Our first condominium building, "The Keelson", is in advanced construction, and our first residents will be moving into their new suites late September of this year. Almost all of the units are sold - only nine remain available. They continue to be a very attractive investment.

We will be breaking ground on two new buildings this spring. One is named "The Aqua Vista", and will be coming to the public marketplace very shortly. Let us know if you would like to be put on the preview list for this exciting new opportunity.

And finally, the 33 story iconic tower at the tip of the Wharf (with the most beautiful views in the city) is now available - we are offering options on the 150 suites. We've obviously hit on a good idea, as already 91 of the suites are optioned.

Thank you for expressing interest in King's Wharf in the past. We call on you to be part of this exciting and wonderful waterfront living experience.

Best wishes for 2012. May it be a happy, healthy and prosperous year.

Yours truly,
Francis Fares
President"

haligonia
Jan 12, 2012, 12:18 AM
Oooh! Does that mean that along with the new 'Aqua Vista' building, we'll see construction of the 33-storey tower this spring?

kph06
Jan 12, 2012, 12:37 AM
This is great news, unfortunately I think the iconic tower still needs official approval, I would hope that will just be a formality.

resetcbu1
Jan 12, 2012, 12:37 AM
Wow! I love the way this is all coming together, now this is the way development should be done. What a difference this will make to the skyline of the city, I am impressed 100% by this development can't say enough..... it is really beginning to come together.

We can only hope that more of developers follow in fares footsteps and bring quality developments like this to our city.......

I doubt that we will see construction begin on the 33 story tower this spring, it will probably take awhile to sell the units but I imagine it will not be far behind... I have my fingers crossed. Imagine the differences in downtown Dartmouth when this project is complete:D

Has the 33 story tower been approved yet?

resetcbu1
Jan 12, 2012, 12:39 AM
This is great news, unfortunately I think the iconic tower still needs official approval, I would hope that will just be a formality.

That is what I thought. But with the success so far, I would hope you're right and it is just a formality?

kph06
Jan 12, 2012, 1:02 AM
That is what I thought. But with the success so far, I would hope you're right and it is just a formality?

The original council meeting that approved the concept was quite positive, especially by the community, the few negotiates came from people from well outside the area, mostly heritage trust folks.

spaustin
Jan 12, 2012, 1:03 AM
Thanks for the pictures Dmajackson.

I can see straight seams between the balconies and windows, so the stonework is probably some type of stone veneer; but it still looks good to me. I wonder if there are still highrise buildings being constructed that have actual stone laid by masonries? Perhaps in a few more decades it will be a lost art just as plastering is becoming a lost art.

The New Academic Building at the University of King's College has actual stone on its exterior. That's about the only example I can think of.

someone123
Jan 12, 2012, 2:46 AM
The New Academic Building at the University of King's College has actual stone on its exterior. That's about the only example I can think of.

Practically next door there's the NRC building on Oxford Street. The original building is sandstone and the expansion appear to be a combination of sandstone and glass. If it is fake then it looks pretty good:

http://g.co/maps/e3ujm

kph06
Jan 12, 2012, 1:20 PM
Theres a quick video here (http://www.viewpoint.ca/kings_wharf) that is a Dec 2011 construction update (top left video).

someone123
Jan 13, 2012, 3:50 AM
Oooh! Does that mean that along with the new 'Aqua Vista' building, we'll see construction of the 33-storey tower this spring?

ANS is reporting that the next phase will be two 14-storey buildings. One will be condo and one will be apartment, just like the last pair. The 33-storey tower will wait until 2013 (assuming it's approved!).

The overall plan is here: http://kingswharf.ca/index.php/development-overview/

I guess buildings A and B are under construction, but D is supposed to be office. Will they be building C and D in those locations but as apartment and condo?

beyeas
Jan 13, 2012, 1:06 PM
ANS is reporting that the next phase will be two 14-storey buildings. One will be condo and one will be apartment, just like the last pair. The 33-storey tower will wait until 2013 (assuming it's approved!).

The overall plan is here: http://kingswharf.ca/index.php/development-overview/

I guess buildings A and B are under construction, but D is supposed to be office. Will they be building C and D in those locations but as apartment and condo?

that sounds right, since it seems to match with my memory that one of the office buildings was going to be residential instead because of the softer market for office space compared to apartments etc.

kph06
Jan 13, 2012, 1:21 PM
Last I heard they needed an amendment to the DA to change from office to rental, not sure if this has happened yet.

kph06
Jan 14, 2012, 10:11 PM
Some photos by me from today. I noticed vents that are protruding from the precast on the Keelson, I don't like those. Other than that i like the way it is looking.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6696685179_41fde97fc1_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/6696683831_a5ecdab049_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6696686519_f6a5bc8172_b.jpg

fenwick16
Jan 14, 2012, 10:59 PM
The vents really stand out like a sore thumb. I have never noticed such vents before on a highrise. How are the vents on condos and apartments normally done so they aren't so noticeable (maybe they are just more flush to the wall)?

gm_scott
Jan 15, 2012, 12:08 AM
They look like vents for propane fireplaces... I could be wrong though. But that would explain why you don't see this often

Keith P.
Jan 15, 2012, 12:40 AM
They look like vents for propane fireplaces... I could be wrong though. But that would explain why you don't see this often

I believe that is correct. Probably natural gas though.

haligonia
Jan 15, 2012, 1:08 AM
Fireplaces seems like a logical guess. It's impressive that each unit has it's own gas fireplace - not something you see in many new buildings these days.

resetcbu1
Jan 16, 2012, 1:13 AM
This is such a shining star of what development should be throughout the entire city.:yes:

Those are definitely vents for gas fireplaces

SekishikiMeikaiHa
Jan 30, 2012, 5:39 AM
Couple of shots today:

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7150/6787459697_c390dc62b2_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7153/6787458895_f40c11ba0e_b.jpg

Hali87
Jan 30, 2012, 7:14 AM
It's interesting how the international style is making a pretty major comeback in Halifax lately. I wonder if it's a nation-wide or worldwide phenomenon, or if it's just here? Maybe it has something to do with LEED and maximizing natural light?

kph06
Jan 30, 2012, 12:45 PM
Great photos. Looks like the apartment building is getting the fireplaces as well based on the cut outs on the precast. I like the look of the stone, originally I think the stone was supposed to be red brick; I think the stone looks better. The glass looks far better than the Trillium's glass, they matched the transparent and opaque sections much better. I look forward to seeing how the exterior finish on the apartment building will look, I think there will be quite a bit of precast, but so far I like the white.

kwajo
Jan 30, 2012, 1:08 PM
It's looking really good so far, I can't wait until my next return to Halifax to go check it out in person

worldlyhaligonian
Jan 30, 2012, 5:25 PM
Yeah, this glass is super nice... a good indication for the iconic tower!

cormiermax
Jan 30, 2012, 6:20 PM
Love how these two are turning out. I only with they used the same quality cladding for the Trillium.

Haliguy
Jan 30, 2012, 8:24 PM
I'm quite impressed so far on this...they are turning out very nice. Hopefully this will be an example for other developments in Halifax.

kph06
Feb 4, 2012, 7:55 PM
A few photos by me from today, they are working on the 3rd side of precast for the apartment, the side facing Dartmouth has some very large window cut outs, at least twice the size of the ones on the Halifax side.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7156/6818491693_d83c772a84_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7001/6818492669_9355032058_b.jpg
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7020/6818492109_0a2192cae9_b.jpg

cormiermax
Feb 4, 2012, 9:21 PM
These things are turning out great.

Dmajackson
Feb 8, 2012, 6:26 PM
Some from yesterday (photos from Urban_Halifax @ Flickr.com (http://www.flickr.com/photos/75563463@N02/))

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7156/6839692617_cb5f143d3b_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7160/6839693741_4499040d59_z.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7173/6839695067_cfc1b1aed8_z.jpg

kph06
Feb 8, 2012, 6:50 PM
Looks great! Its amazing how much better the precast looks in white.

I looked at the King's Wharf website (not updated too often) and found they now have a page for the next condo, the Aqua Vista (http://kingswharf.ca/index.php/properties/aqua_vista/). It is interesting to note that they identify Michael Napier as the architect, Lydon Lynch had the previous designs. This makes me wonder if it will have a different look than the Keelson. The website says: "This European-inspired condo building is recognized for its distinctive architecture and astounding views of the Halifax Harbour"

someone123
Feb 8, 2012, 8:13 PM
Looks great! Its amazing how much better the precast looks in white.

This is one of many examples why faux historic is a bad idea. Projects seem to come out much better when the architect embraces the materials and building techniques available rather than trying to recreate other materials. I have seen many nice buildings with some precast but I've never seen a building where precast was used convincingly to stand in for brick or stone.

HaliStreaks
Feb 9, 2012, 7:00 AM
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7173/6839695067_cfc1b1aed8_z.jpg

They really do look very nice, and am super thankful they're coming along at the clip they are. But now looking at them, I'm not sure if anyone else feels the same way, but I wish they were taller, lol.:D

Jonovision
Feb 9, 2012, 2:04 PM
The Anchorage is turning into a very handsome building with all the new precast on its front. And for once it's looking almost identical to the rendering.

kph06
Feb 11, 2012, 12:15 AM
Here's a photo by me from Halifax today:
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7191/6853728303_ca971ae85d_b.jpg

David1gray
Feb 14, 2012, 4:11 PM
love the way these are turning out.

Here is an article on the developement:
http://thechronicleherald.ca/business/62445-olive-predicts-king-s-wharf-will-spur-downtown-renaissance

Jstaleness
Feb 14, 2012, 10:23 PM
A few from my cell today.

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu360/jstaleness/IMG00015-20120214-1552.jpg

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu360/jstaleness/IMG00016-20120214-1604.jpg

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu360/jstaleness/IMG00017-20120214-1608.jpg

http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu360/jstaleness/IMG00018-20120214-1610.jpg

HaliStreaks
Feb 15, 2012, 7:27 AM
http://i663.photobucket.com/albums/uu360/jstaleness/IMG00015-20120214-1552.jpg

That angle in particular does WONDERS showing how well that this is all going to fit into the area. That curved facade is really quite attractive, I was kinda "meh" about it initially, but I think it's going to pull that entire neighbourhood and the entrance to the whole place together nicely.

cormiermax
Feb 15, 2012, 8:32 AM
This is such a fantastic development, such quality, it's something that was rare in Halifax 10 years ago, but now its becoming the norm. I really hope this is built to its full extent as its planned now.

halifaxboyns
Feb 15, 2012, 10:57 PM
(from the CH online)

The ingredients are there for downtown Dartmouth to become a vibrant waterside destination and the King’s Wharf development will bring the all-important last piece of the puzzle — the people.

"This project has become the catalyst in the downtown for future development," said Tim Olive, executive director of the Downtown Dartmouth Business Commission.

"We’ve been wallowing in the past with possible projects but now there is plenty of action and interest from other developers and business owners who see the timing is right to start developing. We’ve been saying change is coming for eight years. Now it’s finally coming."

The first phase of the $500-million King’s Wharf project has begun with the first two residential towers set to open in September and December. By project’s end, 12 buildings, 300,000 square feet of office and commercial space, a 200-room hotel and a convention centre will be built over 2.6 hectares along the Dartmouth waterfront.

The project’s signature building will be 33 storeys tall and will contain about 180 condominiums, as well as ground-floor commercial space. It should be under construction sometime in 2013.

The game-changing project, led by Fares Real Estate Inc., aims to create a self-contained community complete with boutiques, grocers and everyday services.

The rest of the story is here. (http://www.thechronicleherald.ca/dcw/62240-olive-predicts-king-s-wharf-will-spur-downtown-renaissance)

haligonia
Feb 15, 2012, 11:10 PM
King's Wharf is, to me, the most exciting development currently happening in HRM, if not all of Atlantic Canada. Those two buildings already look gorgeous lined up against the canal. I can't wait to see the final result.

RyeJay
Feb 15, 2012, 11:37 PM
I share your opinion, haligonia.

King's Wharf is, in a sense, helping to integrate downtown Dartmouth and Halifax. A more developed, more exciting Dartmouth will attract more tourists who may just be simply visiting Halifax's waterfront. Dartmouth is 'part 2' of this boardwalk. The harbour ferries will definitely get much more usage.

resetcbu1
Feb 16, 2012, 1:26 AM
I share your opinion, haligonia.

King's Wharf is, in a sense, helping to integrate downtown Dartmouth and Halifax. A more developed, more exciting Dartmouth will attract more tourists who may just be simply visiting Halifax's waterfront. Dartmouth is 'part 2' of this boardwalk. The harbour ferries will definitely get much more usage.

I totally agree with that 100%, it's kind of a shame that that the bridge crossing is not very efficient, nor is the ferry..... but I'm sure the traffic on both will increase. As you said, I like the way it is integrating the two downtowns into one sort of mega downtown.

I think this would have to be one of the most exciting developments and Canada, maybe not as much recognition outside of our region but nonetheless it is huge and of the utmost quality and probably on par with some of the other major developments taking place throughout the country.

JET
Feb 16, 2012, 6:19 PM
I totally agree with that 100%, it's kind of a shame that that the bridge crossing is not very efficient, nor is the ferry..... but I'm sure the traffic on both will increase. As you said, I like the way it is integrating the two downtowns into one sort of mega downtown.

I think this would have to be one of the most exciting developments and Canada, maybe not as much recognition outside of our region but nonetheless it is huge and of the utmost quality and probably on par with some of the other major developments taking place throughout the country.

Fares had planned for a private water taxi/ferry from Halifax to Kings Wharf; hopefully that will still happen

halifaxboyns
Feb 16, 2012, 6:53 PM
King's wharf is a great example of Transit Oriented Development. Taking his water taxi out of the equation, it's a large mixed use/high density community located within walking distance of frequent transit service (ferry).

This sort of thing can be easily replicated throughout HRM in places like Quinpool, Agricola, Robie/Young, etc. in advance of the construction of say an LRT or a streetcar and be required to pay into the cost of that service construction if the regional centre LUB/MPS are done right (with bonusing for transportation).

Keith P.
Feb 16, 2012, 10:27 PM
King's wharf is a great example of Transit Oriented Development. Taking his water taxi out of the equation, it's a large mixed use/high density community located within walking distance of frequent transit service (ferry).


Unless you are working downtown it isn't particularly attractive. Because most buses run along Barrington, the handful that serve the ferry terminal are not particularly useful. MT's failure to integrate ferry and bus service is one of the great failures of that organization. The same holds true on the Dartmouth side. You cannot get to points north of the ferry in any sort of useful manner.

RyeJay
Feb 17, 2012, 2:48 AM
King's wharf is a great example of Transit Oriented Development. Taking his water taxi out of the equation, it's a large mixed use/high density community located within walking distance of frequent transit service (ferry).

Yes it is! The transit options are an attractive asset for downtown residents. The added density, in return, will provide further incentive for transit improvements. :tup:

Perhaps shorter walking distances for those less able?

resetcbu1
Feb 17, 2012, 4:32 AM
:previous:

If they ever go back to work. I say fire them all, and take the money they save on wages to improve bus service in and around the city's core.

Way overpaid for a bunch of puppy makers if you ask me .

halifaxboyns
Feb 17, 2012, 6:44 AM
Unless you are working downtown it isn't particularly attractive. Because most buses run along Barrington, the handful that serve the ferry terminal are not particularly useful. MT's failure to integrate ferry and bus service is one of the great failures of that organization. The same holds true on the Dartmouth side. You cannot get to points north of the ferry in any sort of useful manner.

I think this is only partially true. When I worked for PWGSC (in the Old Post Office Building on Bedford Row) one thing I noticed was in summer just how many people walked up from the ferry terminal. It was huge in numbers, particularly if the ferries came in one after the other. But Spring/Summer and Fall are only about 7 months of the year (at best) - so I agree, during the winter its more difficult.

This is why my suggested routing for any downtown streetcar had it only one block up from the ferry terminal and then stopping at the ferry terminal outbound. For those of you who hadn't seen the concept - the idea was that 2 routes (one from the Hydrostone and one from Mumford/Windsor street) would meet up on a common section of track running from North Park, down Cogswell and through the newly 'redone' Cogswell Lands (depending on configuration) and then share the track down Hollis Street (inbound) and share the track outbound on Lower Water Street. The idea was that between the two systems - you'd have a very high frequency of service in the core, making it attractive to office workers who wanted to take a short trip and could accommodate people coming up from the ferry, or going to it.

I mentioned this to Jonovision - we had one of the speakers that was a part of the "it's more than buses' out here in Calgary to speak on urban gondola transportation - it got huge media attention (made the front page - I'm tickled, since I organized the event hehe). Anyway, one thing he and I talked about was Halifax and he liked the system but pointed out the flaws and one was the multi-modal connections. He was the same was you Keith - he felt the ferry was off on it's own to a certain degree. He liked my idea as a starting point, but I got the impression that he would be a combo of my streetcar idea and someone123's LRT concepts. Either way, he's all about multi-modal systems and the gondola idea is quite interesting.

Btw, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this (it was a bit of hot topic in the Calgary thread) - but a gondola cost between 5 to 10$ million a KM versus LRT which is typically $150 million/km.

Anyway, if you want to see the brief story on Calgary CBC Late night on our session you can click here (http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/Canada/Calgary/1305515274/ID=2197578066). (It's around the 3 minute mark and you can see me eating around 3:16 in the upper corner).

Hali87
Feb 17, 2012, 7:11 PM
I'm not sure if this has been posted yet:

http://thechronicleherald.ca/sites/default/files/imagecache/ch_article_main_image/articles/ew061010kingswharf6.jpg

Source: The Chronicle Herald

Wishblade
Feb 17, 2012, 10:20 PM
I'm not sure if this has been posted yet:

http://thechronicleherald.ca/sites/default/files/imagecache/ch_article_main_image/articles/ew061010kingswharf6.jpg

Source: The Chronicle Herald

That is the most modern lighthouse I have ever seen. Maybe theres hope for those things yet :haha:.

eastcoastal
Feb 18, 2012, 12:47 AM
:previous:

If they ever go back to work.

work? you mean between the average 18+ sick days each?

someone123
Feb 18, 2012, 9:22 PM
Btw, I'm not sure if anyone mentioned this (it was a bit of hot topic in the Calgary thread) - but a gondola cost between 5 to 10$ million a KM versus LRT which is typically $150 million/km.

Gondolas are interesting, although of course they only work in particular areas. I just spent a week in San Francisco/Portland/Seattle and Portland's gondola looked interesting, although I didn't ride it. Vancouver had plans for a gondola up to Simon Fraser University, which is built on a large hill and difficult to serve with buses, but I think they might have been shelved.

A modernized version of San Francisco's Muni streetcars are similar to what I think might work in Halifax. Old lines like the N Judah line that I took were first set up in the 1920s or earlier and then were updated in the 1970s with modern underground stations downtown and new rolling stock. Some Muni stations have elevated platforms while others are just along the street. Halifax can't afford anything like a subway but a mixed system where money can be directed toward solving specific bottleneck problems is ideal.

One thing I really liked in SF was their system of RFID-based transit cards. You can buy a card at a machine and, more importantly, when loading onto a transit vehicle you can go in any door and pay your fare by putting your card near the reader.

As for the multi-modal aspect, I've always thought that Halifax should have one big downtown transit terminal that connects ferries and buses and is protected from the elements. Maybe that will be possible if they tear down the law courts and the old ferry terminal. If the Cogswell interchange were redeveloped there would also be some room for improvements. Maybe some sort of short bus tunnel could be built.

kph06
Feb 23, 2012, 11:49 AM
A rendering is online of the Aqua Vista and it will have a different design than the Keelson.

http://kingswharf.ca/images/uploads/aquavista-390.jpg
Source (http://kingswharf.ca/index.php/properties/aqua_vista/)

someone123
Feb 23, 2012, 6:19 PM
Nice find. Again I would say that this design is above average for Halifax.

Am I right in thinking this is the second condo building that will soon be built along with a second apartment building?

kph06
Feb 23, 2012, 7:28 PM
Nice find. Again I would say that this design is above average for Halifax.

Am I right in thinking this is the second condo building that will soon be built along with a second apartment building?

I like they have altered it from the Keelson design (which I still really like), but still kept the same feel, I imagine the red brick will be replaced with stone like on the Keelson.

Yes, this is the second condo, I think the plan is to swap out the office component of the fourth building with residential from another phase. I am not sure if they have announced if it will be condo or rental, but I think rental would be a safe bet.

someone123
Feb 23, 2012, 7:49 PM
Interesting. I wonder if the 4th residential building will be constructed at the end of the row where an office building was originally planned, or if they will keep that spot for office and build one of the other structures.

It will be great to see this take shape as a "district" rather than one small development or a row of buildings.

Once they have four or five residential buildings perhaps they'll start looking at the commercial/retail spaces as well. Some kind of full service urban format grocery store similar to Pete's would be a great asset, but it takes a lot of population density to make that work. If Dartmouth does get to that point I think it will really take off.

beyeas
Feb 23, 2012, 7:50 PM
I like they have altered it from the Keelson design (which I still really like), but still kept the same feel, I imagine the red brick will be replaced with stone like on the Keelson.

Yes, this is the second condo, I think the plan is to swap out the office component of the fourth building with residential from another phase. I am not sure if they have announced if it will be condo or rental, but I think rental would be a safe bet.

I really like the design, but just wish that there was a bit more variation in height. Would be more interesting if there wasn't such a ceiling effect with all the buildings basically being the same height (with the notable exception of course being signature building). I do really like the finishings etc though. Definitely a step above the typical for Halifax.

kph06
Feb 23, 2012, 8:27 PM
Interesting. I wonder if the 4th residential building will be constructed at the end of the row where an office building was originally planned, or if they will keep that spot for office and build one of the other structures.

I think the plan is to make the 4th building in the row residential. The office compoent will be moved to another building.

halifaxboyns
Feb 23, 2012, 11:08 PM
But doesn't this building rendering show commercial at grade? Or am I looking at the diagram incorrectly? It appears commercial on the ground floor - so you could have an urban format store. I don't recall any rules in the DA that restricted the storefront size.

This development continues to impress me. The quality of the finishes and the fact it's actually going forward - very good. This is something that in the future can be held up as an example of well thought out, quality development and used as a good example. Frankly, if we saw most new development in HRM's regional centre occuring like this (of course at varrying densities and heights), I wouldn't be upset. In a way, this is kind of setting out Halifax's 'typical style' - much like the glass/steel condos in Vancouver. At least, I think...

FuzzyWuz
Feb 24, 2012, 2:12 AM
I really like the design, but just wish that there was a bit more variation in height. Would be more interesting if there wasn't such a ceiling effect with all the buildings basically being the same height (with the notable exception of course being signature building). I do really like the finishings etc though. Definitely a step above the typical for Halifax.

The variation in height comes when you travel west to east. The whole area will be hill shaped with 18 story buildings across the road from the 12 story ones being built right now and then less height right on the water.

fenwick16
Feb 24, 2012, 2:38 AM
The picture below was posted by FuzzyWuz on Oct 19, 2009. It was a picture of a model at an open house. It is a good illustration of how large the completed project will be. Once the the iconic tower and Marina is completed then this will look like a bit of Miami (however, I have only seen Miami in pictures, so I am just fantasizing).

(source: FuzzyWuz, Oct 19, 2009)
http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/b5426a07b6.jpg

RyeJay
Feb 24, 2012, 3:02 AM
Does anyone know details about that modern lighthouse? It would be great if the public had access to it -- a perfect platform for picture taking.