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halifaxboyns
May 5, 2014, 7:20 PM
I'm not surprised by that density number - I would think that with the lower rental costs (compared to dt Halifax) you would likely find it a mix of younger couples and singles. I wonder how that will flesh out in time?

someone123
May 5, 2014, 10:10 PM
Interesting side note, Downtown Dartmouth has an average of 1.9 residents per unit. This means that most people live by themselves.

This logic isn't quite right. Let's say you have 2 units and 3 residents. Two people live together and one person lives alone. The average number of people per unit is 1.5.

Something similar comes up in "most people are single" news articles that look at household data. They might find that 45% of households are married (couples) and 55% consist of single adults. If we imagine 100 households under that scenario, we'd have 55 single people and 90 married people. There are more single households but the number of people per married household is higher so the number of married people is higher.

Colin May
May 6, 2014, 11:51 PM
This logic isn't quite right. Let's say you have 2 units and 3 residents. Two people live together and one person lives alone. The average number of people per unit is 1.5.

Something similar comes up in "most people are single" news articles that look at household data. They might find that 45% of households are married (couples) and 55% consist of single adults. If we imagine 100 households under that scenario, we'd have 55 single people and 90 married people. There are more single households but the number of people per married household is higher so the number of married people is higher.
DD has all the provincial seniors buildings and it is usually 1 person per unit. Admiralty place is full of seniors. Add in the seniors living in their own homes.

Duff
May 7, 2014, 7:07 PM
Two from today.

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5234/13945552660_704c085b20_h.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7371/13945553590_f9a655d3c8_h.jpg

Jonovision
May 8, 2014, 3:24 PM
This one is starting to peek up when viewed from the Halifax waterfront.

kph06
May 13, 2014, 1:26 AM
From the weekend:

https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5240/14173666994_996ff72c62_b.jpg
https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7409/13986986758_bb2fe00fce_b.jpg

Jonovision
May 15, 2014, 11:18 PM
From this afternoon.

https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10371629_10100382916984039_7645458286667161872_n.jpg

kph06
May 24, 2014, 4:06 PM
Foundation work for the third building has started, 2 from today:

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2918/14258555784_4b5fa5b611_b.jpg
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5118/14072295608_67d4f3d9c2_b.jpg

fenwick16
May 24, 2014, 5:16 PM
Foundation work for the third building has started, 2 from today:

https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2918/14258555784_4b5fa5b611_b.jpg
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5118/14072295608_67d4f3d9c2_b.jpg

It is good to see that they have started work on building C.

The non-substantive amendments (http://www.halifax.ca/planning/applications/Case19241Details.php) haven't been approved as yet by the Harbour East - Marine Drive Community Council that I can see in their list of meetings agendas - http://www.halifax.ca/Commcoun/east/index.html.

Duff
Jun 12, 2014, 6:57 PM
One from across the harbour.

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3868/14220643258_42826363ef_b.jpg

mcmcclassic
Jun 27, 2014, 9:22 PM
Cladding is being installed on the first floor of the u/c building. It's a bright white and can be seen from Halifax.

mcmcclassic
Jun 27, 2014, 10:50 PM
Here's a couple from tonight. The second photo shows the new cladding.

http://i.imgur.com/4EfcXtul.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dRHRqQ5l.jpg

mcmcclassic
Jun 27, 2014, 11:11 PM
One more pic from my apartment. Probably the best view $695/mth can buy..

http://i.imgur.com/IbENvgKl.jpg

fenwick16
Jun 29, 2014, 12:26 AM
One more pic from my apartment. Probably the best view $695/mth can buy..

http://i.imgur.com/IbENvgKl.jpg

That is a good view of the construction.

Just out of curiosity, for $695/month is it a bachelor apartment? That sounds like a great deal especially since it is a quick ferry ride to Halifax.

mcmcclassic
Jun 29, 2014, 2:25 AM
That is a good view of the construction.

Just out of curiosity, for $695/month is it a bachelor apartment? That sounds like a great deal especially since it is a quick ferry ride to Halifax.

Nope a 1 bedroom. 5 minute walk from the ferry as well. I think I lucked out finding it.

Colin May
Jun 29, 2014, 3:06 PM
It is good to see that they have started work on building C.

The non-substantive amendments (http://www.halifax.ca/planning/applications/Case19241Details.php) haven't been approved as yet by the Harbour East - Marine Drive Community Council that I can see in their list of meetings agendas - http://www.halifax.ca/Commcoun/east/index.html.
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The 'non-substantive amendment' will delay the requirement for that awful Alderney Drive ramp as proposed at the January 2014 public meeting in Alderney Landing. The DA required a second vehicular access when development exceeded 300 units. The new limit is 380 units and the 4 towers do not exceed that limit. The change also delays a significant cost for Fares, and this is probably the driving fore behind the request.

fenwick16
Jun 29, 2014, 3:54 PM
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The 'non-substantive amendment' will delay the requirement for that awful Alderney Drive ramp as proposed at the January 2014 public meeting in Alderney Landing. The DA required a second vehicular access when development exceeded 300 units. The new limit is 380 units and the 4 towers do not exceed that limit. The change also delays a significant cost for Fares, and this is probably the driving fore behind the request.

How does that negatively affect you Colin May? Maybe you think developers are evil (or too rich?) and need to be treated without any leniency?

Colin May
Jul 2, 2014, 8:47 PM
How does that negatively affect you Colin May? Maybe you think developers are evil (or too rich?) and need to be treated without any leniency?
The non-substantive amendment does not affect me. The proposed ramp would affect me and others who enjoy the walk and the view along that part of Alderney Drive.
Some developers are quite calm about misleading the public and the politicians. And some never folow through on what they promise and then you have developers such as Danny Chedrawe who are keen to engage citizens. And Jim Spatz who has a solid reputation as an individual.
Have you seen the documents shown at the meeting ?

fenwick16
Jul 2, 2014, 11:57 PM
The non-substantive amendment does not affect me. The proposed ramp would affect me and others who enjoy the walk and the view along that part of Alderney Drive.
Some developers are quite calm about misleading the public and the politicians. And some never folow through on what they promise and then you have developers such as Danny Chedrawe who are keen to engage citizens. And Jim Spatz who has a solid reputation as an individual.
Have you seen the documents shown at the meeting ?

Yes I saw it a few months ago. The current proposal looks much better than the circular ramp that was proposed previously. Here is the link - http://www.halifax.ca/planning/applications/documents/18312DeveloperPresentation.pdf

I think King's Wharf is a great looking development that will lead to a more vibrant downtown Dartmouth because of the added number of residents (probably in the neighbourhood of 3,000 additional residents when completed). All those people will be shopping and eating in downtown Dartmouth.

Jonovision
Jul 3, 2014, 10:18 PM
I agree. The ramp is necessary in whatever form if the rest of the property is to be redeveloped and the new graded form is much more pleasing and less obtrusive then a large concrete structure would have been. The drawings that I saw at the meeting looked beautiful to me. A very well thought out plan for both the ramp and the other changes to the development.

mcmcclassic
Jul 13, 2014, 11:27 AM
From the ferry yesterday:

http://i.imgur.com/TeBB3Dal.jpg

Jonovision
Jul 24, 2014, 4:24 PM
Grabbed these yesterday. Cladding has started on the new building. Looks like dark blue and grey aluminum panels. Also new signs have gone up on the buildings.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/936054_10100423001858629_359683056294259477_n.jpg

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/10426560_10100422999702949_8279528694322204194_n.jpg?oh=94764458b567c7006d55d6ea3609f758&oe=543DCB08&__gda__=1414365669_2777605793d6f96b6653d9d599921345

mcmcclassic
Jul 24, 2014, 5:06 PM
King's Wharf is doing wonders for DT Dartmouth so far. One thing I have noticed though is that by bringing these upscale units to the area, the businesses in the community are at polar opposite ends.

Everything seems to be either real low end (pawn shops, The Landing, Whiskey's, etc.) or for the real well-off individual (Nectar, Spa, etc.). For those in between those wealth levels (i.e most people), there isn't much there (with the exception of Celtic Corner). There are business opportunities DT for sure.

mcmcclassic
Jul 31, 2014, 10:08 PM
Photo from my balcony:

http://i.imgur.com/BMTDcV1l.jpg

portapetey
Jul 31, 2014, 10:59 PM
The developers presentation - http://www.halifax.ca/planning/applications/documents/18312DeveloperPresentation.pdf - from the January 20th, 2014 public meeting is posted on the HRM case details webpage http://www.halifax.ca/planning/applications/Case18312Details.php (which was updated on January 30th, 2014) .

The new proposal is on the right side of the image. I like the lagoon area and boardwalk around the development. Perhaps some marine animals such as dolphins, which have been seen in the harbour, will be attracted to the open lagoon. It would be like a natural aquarium.

http://imageshack.com/a/img854/7123/hqjc.jpg


Does anyone know if this is still the latest proposal? And what stage it is in? I assume the two towers have not been through any application and approval process and as such are still just an idea?

Was the original single-32-story tower approved?

I'd love to see the 32 and 43 (?) story towers go up, although to be honest I'll be surprised if the 43 story one does.

mcmcclassic
Jul 31, 2014, 11:50 PM
The single tower was approved years ago I believe. The one beef I have with the proposed new tallest buildings is how they sit by themselves out on the end of the land...

I'd like to see KW have some townhouses to fill in the gaps between the towers to make it feel even more inner city urban.

Colin May
Aug 1, 2014, 12:35 AM
Does anyone know if this is still the latest proposal? And what stage it is in? I assume the two towers have not been through any application and approval process and as such are still just an idea?

Was the original single-32-story tower approved?

I'd love to see the 32 and 43 (?) story towers go up, although to be honest I'll be surprised if the 43 story one does.

Not approved. Nothing has happened since the presentation at Alderney Landing in late January.

The requirement for a second entrance has been postponed until after the additional 2 buildings on King's Wharf Place are finished. The developer may pause and wait for the market to improve and until the new plan for the urban core comes into effect. The Avery is also competing for condo buyers. The boom is long past and we'll have a few quiet years.

DigitalNinja
Aug 1, 2014, 12:41 AM
Actually stage one has been approved, giving approval to build 12 buildings ranging from 5-32 stories, it's the amendments which have not been approved yet. The stage 2 DA has only been approved for 4 buildings, the rest cannot be started until the second entrance has been completed then they are free to do what the original plan called for, but not the amended plan.

http://www.halifax.ca/planning/applications/Case18312Details.php

Colin May
Aug 1, 2014, 2:49 AM
Actually stage one has been approved, giving approval to build 12 buildings ranging from 5-32 stories, it's the amendments which have not been approved yet. The stage 2 DA has only been approved for 4 buildings, the rest cannot be started until the second entrance has been completed then they are free to do what the original plan called for, but not the amended plan.

http://www.halifax.ca/planning/applications/Case18312Details.php

My bad. I forgot about the changes.
I knew they had changed the number of units before a second entrance is needed. He can build the 4 buildings without the need for a second entrance and I mentioned this change in an earlier post. Obviously this saves him a substantial sum of money and postpones the expenditure to a later date. ( The April 10`4 letter from EDM contains important information re downtown Dartmouth population.http://www.halifax.ca/planning/applications/documents/19241ApplicationLetter.pdf )
The bankers will be happy.

xanaxanax
Aug 8, 2014, 6:05 PM
Accrediting to the new Phasing Plan they should start on E/F and G/H relatively soon

I think they wanted the go ahead to be building E/F right around now as part of stage one..

http://www.halifax.ca/planning/applications/documents/18312ProposedPhasing.pdf

Dmajackson
Aug 12, 2014, 3:51 PM
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Dmajackson
Aug 27, 2014, 4:20 AM
The phase I amendments have been approved. The Blue C will have a smaller footprint, retail only on the ground-floor and start construction in the immediate future. Also the second access is delayed but has to be built by the end of 2017.

mcmcclassic
Aug 27, 2014, 2:29 PM
The third building u/c I believe is close to topping out.

Haligonian88
Sep 9, 2014, 2:00 AM
Couple from tonight.

http://oi59.tinypic.com/ngystj.jpg

http://oi57.tinypic.com/24qix6r.jpg

TheLittleGuy
Oct 30, 2014, 3:29 PM
King's Wharf is doing wonders for DT Dartmouth so far. One thing I have noticed though is that by bringing these upscale units to the area, the businesses in the community are at polar opposite ends.

Everything seems to be either real low end (pawn shops, The Landing, Whiskey's, etc.) or for the real well-off individual (Nectar, Spa, etc.). For those in between those wealth levels (i.e most people), there isn't much there (with the exception of Celtic Corner). There are business opportunities DT for sure.

That's because those in the middle look for Swiss Chalet...No thanks, I'll take Whiskey's or Nectar over that middle of the road middle class crap

TheLittleGuy
Oct 30, 2014, 3:29 PM
Couple from tonight.

http://oi59.tinypic.com/ngystj.jpg

http://oi57.tinypic.com/24qix6r.jpg

It looks great, we need another dozen of those in downtown Dartmouth

TheLittleGuy
Oct 30, 2014, 3:31 PM
Does anyone know if this is still the latest proposal? And what stage it is in? I assume the two towers have not been through any application and approval process and as such are still just an idea?

Was the original single-32-story tower approved?

I'd love to see the 32 and 43 (?) story towers go up, although to be honest I'll be surprised if the 43 story one does.

No one is against this project, it looks great and represents progress in the city

OldDartmouthMark
Oct 30, 2014, 5:40 PM
King's Wharf is doing wonders for DT Dartmouth so far. One thing I have noticed though is that by bringing these upscale units to the area, the businesses in the community are at polar opposite ends.

Everything seems to be either real low end (pawn shops, The Landing, Whiskey's, etc.) or for the real well-off individual (Nectar, Spa, etc.). For those in between those wealth levels (i.e most people), there isn't much there (with the exception of Celtic Corner). There are business opportunities DT for sure.

Most or all of the businesses you mentioned predate any aftereffects of King's Wharf, I believe.

If you look into it historically (not that I'm old enough to have experienced "history"...lol), I think you'll find that the low-end businesses such as the pawn shops, etc. are all an offshoot of when the downtown went downhill many years ago.

This is how I remember it (perhaps some of our more "experienced" ;) posters can fill in the blanks):
- I remember the late sixties/early seventies downtown. At that time, the downtown core (lower Portland Street, Commercial Street [which is what they called Alderney Drive before the realignment], and some of the adjoining side streets) comprised the main shopping area for DT Dartmouth. Of course there was also the Dartmouth Shopping Centre, which I believe was built in the late fifties (likely to take advantage of its location next to the "new" Macdonald Bridge). Other than Woolworth's I recall that just about all the businesses were small shops, typically family owned, that focused on giving good service to the customer. The ones that come to mind are Hiltz's Shoes on Commercial, Neiforth Furnishings I think, Jacobson's, The Five and Dime (predates me a little, but was located where the Landing is now), The Owl Drug Store, Myer's Sports store, Fisher's Stationery, Peoples' Restaurant, The Mayfair Theatre, etc. (there were many more who's names escape me at the moment). These all appeared to be successful businesses and the area seemed bright and vibrant to me at the time. A place where you wouldn't be nervous walking down the street - in fact quite the opposite.

- When Mic Mac Mall opened in the early seventies, I can recall one by one these family businesses starting to falter as people started flocking to the malls instead of frequenting the downtown shopping area, slowly being replaced over the years by pawn shops, strip bars, seedy-looking characters in the street, and the whole downtown area generally became forgotten and run down. It got to the point where I would be looking over my shoulder if I was coming home from the ferry at night.

- Other things started to occur as well during that time which started picking away at the residential aspect of the area. Such as a whole block disappearing (where my grandmother lived, incidentally) to facilitate Queen Square (ugly building imho) and the attached parkade. The run-down Belmont motel was torn down to make room for the Belmont House building, which is an improvement, but its parkade took out some residential including a small store on the corner of Edward and Ochterloney. There were many other residences in the area which were replaced with parking lots and the like, a symptom of a transforming neighborhood, I believe.

- Newer business like Nectar (which was built on the site of Gene Patterson's store on Ochterloney), etc. seem to be part of a slow revitalization of the neighborhood, which to me started a slow turn around with the building of the Admiralty Place condo building back in the eighties. Don't know if that was any sort of kindling point or not, but it seemed to be coincidental. The spa next to Nectar has been there quite a long time, actually, I think since the eighties.

All that said, I still see the area turning around but it has been a really slow, slow process, which is why I believe we still see some of the low-end stragglers (pawn shops, etc.) still taking advantage of low rent, etc., still hanging on. My hope is that projects like King's Wharf will give the area the kick in the pants that it needs to come back from the depths of despair that I watched it fall into 40 years ago.

Note: I'm sure some of the above is not 100% historically correct, as I'm purely going by my memory and personal experience.

JET
Oct 30, 2014, 5:47 PM
Mark, all that sounds accurate. and was no doubt your 5 cents worth.

OldDartmouthMark
Oct 30, 2014, 6:22 PM
Mark, all that sounds accurate. and was no doubt your 5 cents worth.

Lol... One of these days I must make a 5¢ emoticon... ;)

bluenoser
Nov 14, 2014, 10:55 PM
I don't know if this is exactly King's Wharf related but anyway:

Halifax council to vote on sale of Dartmouth city hall to Fares

http://thechronicleherald.ca/sites/default/files/imagecache/ch_article_main_image/articles/B97392867Z.120141114153651000GF97EF0S.11.jpg

Halifax regional council will vote Tuesday whether to sell the old Dartmouth city hall to Fares & Co. Development Inc.

The municipality received multiple offers for the three-storey concrete office complex at 90 Alderney Dr. after it was listed for sale last month with a $2.6-million asking price.

...

“Residential would be the market right now but you never know what could happen. We’re open to all possibilities and if we find a solid tenant for an office building we’ll keep it as on office or build an office there. We have a lot of options.”

http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1251101-halifax-council-to-vote-on-sale-of-dartmouth-city-hall-to-fares

spaustin
Nov 15, 2014, 4:08 AM
As a privately-owned property the biggest drawback of Old City Hall is the lack of vehicle access. Never a real problem for the city since they could just use Alderney. Might be okay for privately-owned offices too, but any residential redevelopment would require access and I assume that would be tricky off of Alderney. If Fares ends up getting his revised access plan for King's Wharf approved, than a road will come off Alderney close to the Old City Hall property line, which will make accessing it a lot easier. Fares is well-positioned to make the most out of this property. Not surprising that it looks like he's the winning bidder.

Colin May
Nov 15, 2014, 1:46 PM
As a privately-owned property the biggest drawback of Old City Hall is the lack of vehicle access. Never a real problem for the city since they could just use Alderney. Might be okay for privately-owned offices too, but any residential redevelopment would require access and I assume that would be tricky off of Alderney. If Fares ends up getting his revised access plan for King's Wharf approved, than a road will come off Alderney close to the Old City Hall property line, which will make accessing it a lot easier. Fares is well-positioned to make the most out of this property. Not surprising that it looks like he's the winning bidder.
Parking for senior staff and councillors was available at no charge in the underground parking at Alderney gate. Underground access to City hall enabled one to walk from a heated car to a heated meeting, or a heated office.
He may ask for an exemption from providing parking.
The purchase price should be one aspect of a decision. It is important that the building not sit empty and the sale should contain requirements for occupancy or reconstruction within a short time limit.

hokus83
Nov 15, 2014, 6:29 PM
I believe there are plans to build a new museum on the grounds near the old Dartmouth city hall with this sale. Be interesting to see how that turns out

Colin May
Jan 10, 2015, 6:40 PM
" I moved to a condo next to the railway tracks and now I don't like the noise. I'll complain to my councillor. "
Duh. Shakes head.
Funnier than The Simpsons.

counterfactual
Jan 11, 2015, 5:44 PM
" I moved to a condo next to the railway tracks and now I don't like the noise. I'll complain to my councillor. "
Duh. Shakes head.
Funnier than The Simpsons.

Anything that makes life more difficult for CN, I'm fine with. Hard to find a more disreputable company these days.

No other company has been less cooperative than CN when it comes to city issues. From lawsuits over maintenance to essentially blocking any light transit studies. They basically exercise a monopoly these days over railway lines that taxpayers originally built.

A for this issue, this isn't the 19th century, when you can blast steam whistles all hours of the night. People live in cities, and increasingly so. CN needs to learn how to do business with that reality. Modernize. Get with it, or get out.

Colin May
Jan 11, 2015, 7:40 PM
A for this issue, this isn't the 19th century, when you can blast steam whistles all hours of the night. People live in cities, and increasingly so. CN needs to learn how to do business with that reality. Modernize. Get with it, or get out.
Gloria is fond of telling voters who don't like a new building blocking a view that buying a home does not give a person a right to an unobstructed view, and she is correct. Although she will, and has, opposed a building that she mistakenly believed would cause a breeeze on a lake where her grandchildren paddle/kayak.
Buying or renting a condo next to a train crossing comes with the same caveat - buyer beware.
We hear the trains at 2 a.m and 3 a.m and just roll over and go back to sleep.
At the time she enthusiastically voted for the project she, and her colleagues, failed to realise the potential for disturbance and thus failed in her responsibility to ensure the possible disturbance was minimised by the developer paying for an interchange similar to the one at Alderney Landing. The same comment applies to planning staff.
I hope she doesn't expect taxpayers to remedy the mistake.

OldDartmouthMark
Jan 12, 2015, 2:41 PM
Anything that makes life more difficult for CN, I'm fine with. Hard to find a more disreputable company these days.

No other company has been less cooperative than CN when it comes to city issues. From lawsuits over maintenance to essentially blocking any light transit studies. They basically exercise a monopoly these days over railway lines that taxpayers originally built.

A for this issue, this isn't the 19th century, when you can blast steam whistles all hours of the night. People live in cities, and increasingly so. CN needs to learn how to do business with that reality. Modernize. Get with it, or get out.

This isn't about punishing CN for being difficult to deal with from a city standpoint, this is about safety regulations - regulations that are in place everywhere in the country. The reason for the regulation is to alert drivers and pedestrians that a train, which cannot stop immediately due to its mass and the low coefficient of friction between the steel rails and its steel wheels, is approaching. It is to prevent people from being killed, basically.

This situation reminds me of the people who build houses next to a pig farm and then try to get the farm shut down because they don't like the smell. I really don't understand the mentality - didn't they see the train tracks running next to the building before they moved in??

FWIW, I grew up in DT Dartmouth and train horns were just part of life there. You get used to it to the point that you don't even notice them after a while.

Regardless, it looks like they are launching a study - maybe they will decide that warning lights will be enough. Then I'm sure somebody will complain that they almost got run over by a train because it didn't give its audible warning while approaching the crossing...

http://thechronicleherald.ca/metro/1262272-train-whistles-may-be-silenced-in-downtown-dartmouth

JET
Jan 12, 2015, 3:05 PM
In Dartmouth Downtown, I am very happy that I'm four blocks from a fire station, along with the sirens at all hours; I will be disappointed if the fire station closes.

ns_kid
Jan 12, 2015, 5:42 PM
This isn't about punishing CN for being difficult to deal with from a city standpoint, this is about safety regulations - regulations that are in place everywhere in the country. The reason for the regulation is to alert drivers and pedestrians that a train, which cannot stop immediately due to its mass and the low coefficient of friction between the steel rails and its steel wheels, is approaching. It is to prevent people from being killed, basically.

Right you are, ODM. Transport Canada will agree to silence train horns but will often impose on municipalities and/or the railways requirements to enhance other saftey measures to improve visibility, slow speed and so on. But the horn is fundamentally a safety measure and silencing it to preserve the sleep of well-heeled condo owners (who apparently were asleep when they failed to notice the tracks when they purchased their units) shouldn't be taken lightly. For example, the fatal accident in September 2013, when six people were killed on an Ottawa transit bus collided with a VIA passenger train, happened at just such a silenced crossing.

Given the number of people who will be living and working at King's Wharf by the time it's complete I expect Transport Canada will not rubber stamp its decision just because Councillor McCluskey has decided to make the issue her own. They would be right to ask why a developer spending tens of millions to build hundreds of residential units did not choose to grade separate the rail crossing.

visualman57
Jan 12, 2015, 6:48 PM
Right you are, ODM. Transport Canada will agree to silence train horns but will often impose on municipalities and/or the railways requirements to enhance other saftey measures to improve visibility, slow speed and so on. But the horn is fundamentally a safety measure and silencing it to preserve the sleep of well-heeled condo owners (who apparently were asleep when they failed to notice the tracks when they purchased their units) shouldn't be taken lightly. For example, the fatal accident in September 2013, when six people were killed on an Ottawa transit bus collided with a VIA passenger train, happened at just such a silenced crossing.

Given the number of people who will be living and working at King's Wharf by the time it's complete I expect Transport Canada will not rubber stamp its decision just because Councillor McCluskey has decided to make the issue her own. They would be right to ask why a developer spending tens of millions to build hundreds of residential units did not choose to grade separate the rail crossing.


"but those flashing red lights keep me awake at night"......

OldDartmouthMark
Jan 12, 2015, 9:33 PM
Right you are, ODM. Transport Canada will agree to silence train horns but will often impose on municipalities and/or the railways requirements to enhance other saftey measures to improve visibility, slow speed and so on. But the horn is fundamentally a safety measure and silencing it to preserve the sleep of well-heeled condo owners (who apparently were asleep when they failed to notice the tracks when they purchased their units) shouldn't be taken lightly. For example, the fatal accident in September 2013, when six people were killed on an Ottawa transit bus collided with a VIA passenger train, happened at just such a silenced crossing.

Given the number of people who will be living and working at King's Wharf by the time it's complete I expect Transport Canada will not rubber stamp its decision just because Councillor McCluskey has decided to make the issue her own. They would be right to ask why a developer spending tens of millions to build hundreds of residential units did not choose to grade separate the rail crossing.

Excellent points.

OldDartmouthMark
Jan 12, 2015, 9:44 PM
A for this issue, this isn't the 19th century, when you can blast steam whistles all hours of the night. People live in cities, and increasingly so. CN needs to learn how to do business with that reality. Modernize. Get with it, or get out.

Re-reading your comments, I can't help but wonder how those in big cities can sleep with such big-city noises as sirens and traffic (and the ubiquitous horn-blowing) going all night... seems to me that there is nothing more "city" than living in a condo and hearing loud noises all night. Sounds like Dartmouth is moving into the big time. ;)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/1355903-cars-beeping-their-horns.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/nyregion/new-york-removes-no-honking-signs.html?_r=0

mcmcclassic
Jan 12, 2015, 10:28 PM
Re-reading your comments, I can't help but wonder how those in big cities can sleep with such big-city noises as sirens and traffic (and the ubiquitous horn-blowing) going all night... seems to me that there is nothing more "city" than living in a condo and hearing loud noises all night. Sounds like Dartmouth is moving into the big time. ;)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/1355903-cars-beeping-their-horns.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/nyregion/new-york-removes-no-honking-signs.html?_r=0

I live very close to the Gardiner now and we can't hear a thing. The GO Train makes some noise but not enough to keep me up at night/disrupt things. Soundproofing makes this all possible I guess.

Nilan8888
Jan 13, 2015, 1:18 AM
The constant honking is, I think, kinda a New York thing.

Not that there's not plenty of honking in other cities, just that I've lived in TO for 7 years, and when I went to Manhattan last month for the first time on a business trip, my colleague brought up all the constant honking.

I sort of liked it though, myself.

pblaauw
Jan 13, 2015, 6:07 AM
I'm waiting for someone to complain that they were late for something because the train was 40+ cars long and took 5+ minutes to pass.

JET
Jan 13, 2015, 3:01 PM
I'm waiting for someone to complain that they were late for something because the train was 40+ cars long and took 5+ minutes to pass.

I was thinking about fire and emergency vehicles needing to get in and out; that could be bad. :(

Jonovision
Jan 13, 2015, 4:30 PM
I was thinking about fire and emergency vehicles needing to get in and out; that could be bad. :(

No additional units beyond phase 1 (4 buildings) are allowed to be built on the site until the grade separated crossing is built for that exact reason. That is the next phase of the project.

JET
Jan 13, 2015, 6:28 PM
No additional units beyond phase 1 (4 buildings) are allowed to be built on the site until the grade separated crossing is built for that exact reason. That is the next phase of the project.

Sort of sounds like a Seinfeld bit: the people in the first four buildings, no reason to be concerned about their safety; but building number five, gotta keep those folks safe. :uhh:

Dmajackson
Jan 13, 2015, 8:29 PM
The train whistle at King's Wharf can be a bit over the top especially considering it can be heard in Halifax sometimes, however this is no different then the ones that go in Bedford multiple times a day. As long as the Dartmouth spur is at-grade with no fencing or protective barrier it is likely the whistle will keep on going. The mainline through Bedford is mostly grade separated and it still has whistles going so don't expect much of a change.

ns_kid
Jan 13, 2015, 10:22 PM
Re-reading your comments, I can't help but wonder how those in big cities can sleep with such big-city noises as sirens and traffic (and the ubiquitous horn-blowing) going all night... seems to me that there is nothing more "city" than living in a condo and hearing loud noises all night. Sounds like Dartmouth is moving into the big time. ;)

I can't disagree. I lived for two years at the bottom of Bayview, overlooking the Bedford Highway, CERES and the Rockingham rail yard. All night long you could hear the sound of squealing brake shoes, couplers slamming together and, yes, the occasional airhorn. It might have taken me two nights to get used to it.

Sorry, but I have very little sympathy for landowners who purchase their properties, knowing their environment, then demand that government help them change things. I have even less respect for grandstanding politicians who cater to that crowd.

If I was living at King's Wharf -- and I've considered it -- I'd be more than happy to have a rail crossing that's a safe as possible. And I'd be even happier with more rail traffic and less road traffic through downtown.

counterfactual
Jan 16, 2015, 2:38 AM
Re-reading your comments, I can't help but wonder how those in big cities can sleep with such big-city noises as sirens and traffic (and the ubiquitous horn-blowing) going all night... seems to me that there is nothing more "city" than living in a condo and hearing loud noises all night. Sounds like Dartmouth is moving into the big time. ;)

http://www.city-data.com/forum/new-york-city/1355903-cars-beeping-their-horns.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/29/nyregion/new-york-removes-no-honking-signs.html?_r=0

Honestly, I love the sound of the city. Sirens, whistles, horns, yelling, bustling, traffic.

Everything except the ridiculous blast of motorcycle exhaust on choppers. The rest is great.

On this count, I really don't have a dog in the race, other than the fact that I quite dislike CN Rail these days. Just a duplicitous company.

OldDartmouthMark
Jan 17, 2015, 12:54 AM
The constant honking is, I think, kinda a New York thing.

Not that there's not plenty of honking in other cities, just that I've lived in TO for 7 years, and when I went to Manhattan last month for the first time on a business trip, my colleague brought up all the constant honking.

I sort of liked it though, myself.

Yeah, perhaps the honking wasn't the best example, but even sirens, city crews working through the night when traffic is low, etc.

Personally, once I get used to these sounds they strangely provide a level of comfort - the usual noises to remind me that I'm home. Probably because I have lived near train horns, a fire station, and a busy street during different times in my life.

OldDartmouthMark
Jan 17, 2015, 12:55 AM
I can't disagree. I lived for two years at the bottom of Bayview, overlooking the Bedford Highway, CERES and the Rockingham rail yard. All night long you could hear the sound of squealing brake shoes, couplers slamming together and, yes, the occasional airhorn. It might have taken me two nights to get used to it.

Sorry, but I have very little sympathy for landowners who purchase their properties, knowing their environment, then demand that government help them change things. I have even less respect for grandstanding politicians who cater to that crowd.

If I was living at King's Wharf -- and I've considered it -- I'd be more than happy to have a rail crossing that's a safe as possible. And I'd be even happier with more rail traffic and less road traffic through downtown.

:iagree:

OldDartmouthMark
Jan 17, 2015, 1:02 AM
Honestly, I love the sound of the city. Sirens, whistles, horns, yelling, bustling, traffic.

Everything except the ridiculous blast of motorcycle exhaust on choppers. The rest is great.

On this count, I really don't have a dog in the race, other than the fact that I quite dislike CN Rail these days. Just a duplicitous company.

I kind of figured that you'd be one to embrace city noises. I don't know much about CN these days, but it often seems that when former government corporations go private, the resultant company seems to maintain a level of disfunctionality and lack of concern for the public welfare as a carryover - perhaps this is also as a result when inheriting a monopoly (i.e. NS Power).

I'm with you on those horrific V twin bikes with straight pipes (no mufflers). I'm amazed at how they are able to get away with it, as I know I'd be tossed in jail if I tried to do the same with my car (which I wouldn't). One small advantage of the wintertime...

counterfactual
Jan 17, 2015, 1:57 AM
I kind of figured that you'd be one to embrace city noises. I don't know much about CN these days, but it often seems that when former government corporations go private, the resultant company seems to maintain a level of disfunctionality and lack of concern for the public welfare as a carryover - perhaps this is also as a result when inheriting a monopoly (i.e. NS Power).

I'm with you on those horrific V twin bikes with straight pipes (no mufflers). I'm amazed at how they are able to get away with it, as I know I'd be tossed in jail if I tried to do the same with my car (which I wouldn't). One small advantage of the wintertime...

(The part I've highlighted), that's a really interesting / astute observation, Mark. And when I think about it, strikes me as quite right. CN, being just one example. I'd say the British company "BT" (formerly Crown company British Telecom) is a great example from a British context.

On the bikes with exhaust pipes with no mufflers, yeah, I don't understand how that is not against the law. Or if it is against the law, how I never hear of anyone pinched for the thing. It's one of the worst things.

Metalsales
Jan 17, 2015, 3:48 PM
On the bikes with exhaust pipes with no mufflers, yeah, I don't understand how that is not against the law. Or if it is against the law, how I never hear of anyone pinched for the thing. It's one of the worst things.

That's the thing. It is illegal. Just like most part sold to aftermarket suppliers. Mostly all have warnings that they are for off-road only. Look at all these lifted trucks and jeeps. If cops went strictly by the book, they would be ticketed. But again, if they did that, people doing one kilometer over the limit would also get a ticket.

KnoxfordGuy
Jan 19, 2015, 8:43 PM
Any updates of the picture kind? :p

Haligonian88
Jan 20, 2015, 12:11 AM
This is a bit old, from the 10th, but better than nothing I suppose.

http://i60.tinypic.com/rr8voy.jpg

Nouvellecosse
Jan 20, 2015, 12:19 AM
When's the big one going to get started?

Colin May
Jan 20, 2015, 1:24 AM
When's the big one going to get started?
Good question.
Several years away. Sales in metro are poor.
The Anchorage sales were very weak, almost non-existent. The developer took out 2 year mortgages on many of the units and the mortgages will be up for renewal this summer.
The bankers may draw in their horns a little if they don't see an uptick in the metro economy.
The oil price slump is good and bad but may cause Shell & BP to delay their offshore drilling.
Gulf states oil production is not being reduced as the countries are negotiating rates for tanker storage.
The only bright spot is the shipbuilding programme so McNeil better make sure that Junior guarantees no delays if he forms government.

someone123
Jan 21, 2015, 3:11 AM
The Anchorage sales were very weak, almost non-existent.

According to the website, all but two units in the Anchorage have been sold.

I wouldn't be surprised if sales are a bit better in the main tower than in these buildings, and supposedly some people have already put down deposits on the units even though construction won't start for a while.

Nouvellecosse
Jan 21, 2015, 3:13 AM
Well will be nice to see it get started. It's the one that will have a real impact on the skyline.

worldlyhaligonian
Jan 21, 2015, 7:43 AM
According to the website, all but two units in the Anchorage have been sold.

I wouldn't be surprised if sales are a bit better in the main tower than in these buildings, and supposedly some people have already put down deposits on the units even though construction won't start for a while.

I agree... those are the most desirable. I'd assume they are coming next.

worldlyhaligonian
Jan 21, 2015, 7:43 AM
Good question.
Several years away. Sales in metro are poor.
The Anchorage sales were very weak, almost non-existent. The developer took out 2 year mortgages on many of the units and the mortgages will be up for renewal this summer.
The bankers may draw in their horns a little if they don't see an uptick in the metro economy.
The oil price slump is good and bad but may cause Shell & BP to delay their offshore drilling.
Gulf states oil production is not being reduced as the countries are negotiating rates for tanker storage.
The only bright spot is the shipbuilding programme so McNeil better make sure that Junior guarantees no delays if he forms government.

I don't think shipbuilding folks are the clientele, or that it really has any bearing on this development.

Colin May
Jan 21, 2015, 11:45 PM
I don't think shipbuilding folks are the clientele, or that it really has any bearing on this development.
My reference to the shipbuilding contract is within the context of the metro economy.
Skilled management staff in the naval shipbuilding industry are highly educated, usually in a professional society and very well paid. Irving was in Scotland last February recruiting such people and ran large adverts in several UK dailies.
The Anchorage is the building nearest the railway tracks.
Sales to related parties or subsidiaries should not be regarded as a 'sale'.
A visit to the Registry of Deeds quickly reveals the true status of the project.
Or look at PVSC online and peruse the long list of unsold units, but that does not reveal the ownership of the units.

ns_kid
Jan 22, 2015, 3:55 PM
CBC, in a rather boosterish piece on their website, reports that Francis Fares will start construction of tower four as early as next month, and that the third building is "nearly sold out".

Obviously Fares doesn't read Colin's sage advice and doesn't know his buildings are really vacant. Since he must be an idiot, like all developers, he will continue building empty shells until the money runs out.

The same story says with the completion of the fourth building and occupancy of over 800, he will launch his promised water taxi from the Kings Wharf marina to downtown, using a "sailboat with captain and crew."

"We'll take them across the harbour, they can go cruising, whatever their wish and desire is," says Fares.

Some commenting wag suggests that maybe they could put people on the train instead.

Fares adds the fourth building will be marketed specifically to young professionals rather than those downsizing oldsters.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/king-s-wharf-residents-will-live-high-life-when-project-complete-1.2927248

IanWatson
Jan 22, 2015, 4:22 PM
Obviously Fares doesn't read Colin's sage advice and doesn't know his buildings are really vacant. Since he must be an idiot, like all developers, he will continue building empty shells until the money runs out.


I can't tell if that's sarcastic or not...

ns_kid
Jan 22, 2015, 5:00 PM
I can't tell if that's sarcastic or not...

;)

Colin May
Jan 22, 2015, 8:24 PM
I can't tell if that's sarcastic or not...

The kid needs to distinguish between sales and occupancy.
And selling units to yourself and trying to rent them is a lot different from sales to unrelated persons or companies.
He'll be able to sort it out if he ignores the media and visited the Registry of Deeds.
35 of 88 units are unsold in The Anchorage.
And the moon doesn't set in the south west.

Over at the Trillium 12 of 85 units have yet to be sold.

Haligonian88
Jan 22, 2015, 10:45 PM
I don't think shipbuilding folks are the clientele, or that it really has any bearing on this development.

Maybe not the actual shipbuilders, but the engineers that Irving is hiring are not unsubstantial. Although if it were me, I'd opt to live in Halifax if I was working in Halifax.

worldlyhaligonian
Jan 22, 2015, 11:47 PM
Maybe not the actual shipbuilders, but the engineers that Irving is hiring are not unsubstantial. Although if it were me, I'd opt to live in Halifax if I was working in Halifax.

KW was proposed before the shipbuilding contract, I was implying that I don't think it was a deciding factor for Fares or those specific demographics...

I think the idea was downsizing babyboomers and yuppies in the first place. I would venture to guess many of those engineers will be Gen-xers.

Colin - The developers put their money on the line. Regardless of the fact that sales/occupancy may be low in certain developments doesn't really impact you. I get your points, but its really pessimistic. Young people like me will buy in if there is ever a crash, don't worry so much.

Jonovision
Jan 22, 2015, 11:54 PM
The kid needs to distinguish between sales and occupancy.
And selling units to yourself and trying to rent them is a lot different from sales to unrelated persons or companies.
He'll be able to sort it out if he ignores the media and visited the Registry of Deeds.
36 of 88 units are unsold in The Anchorage.
And the moon doesn't set in the south west.

Over at the Trillium 12 of 85 units have yet to be sold.

The Anchorage was always meant to be a rental building. He decided to split it up once he started construction so that half would be condo and half would be rental.

If the next building is indeed less expensive than the previous three I will definitely be looking at buying one of them. Living down here would be amazing, especially once the entire development is complete.

Colin May
Jan 23, 2015, 3:06 AM
The Anchorage was always meant to be a rental building. He decided to split it up once he started construction so that half would be condo and half would be rental.

If the next building is indeed less expensive than the previous three I will definitely be looking at buying one of them. Living down here would be amazing, especially once the entire development is complete.
Went from rental to then being advertised as purchase and then realising the units weren't selling in the summer of 2013 changed the pitch to rental.
If you go to look at a unit as a possible tenant you'll be subject to a constant sales pitch. In May 2014 we looked as possible renters and the woman never stopped trying to convince us to buy a unit. I never told her the extent of my knowledge of the sales/rentals and financing of The Anchorage and The Keelson. I know the history because I kept all the media articles.
Obviously he would have a better return if the units would sell. He has a lot money at stake, as do all the big banks.
Cash is king

Hali87
Jan 23, 2015, 4:04 PM
I don't get why this is a bad thing for anyone other than the developer/landowner. Worst case scenario is they have to reduce the selling prices or rents, (which is actually a great thing for basically everybody) and the full build-out might take longer, which doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.

JET
Jan 23, 2015, 7:15 PM
It will be nice when the site is less of a construction zone; the buildings ae nice, but a bit like a lone beautiful cypress tree in the midlle of a quarry.

worldlyhaligonian
Jan 24, 2015, 6:35 AM
I don't get why this is a bad thing for anyone other than the developer/landowner. Worst case scenario is they have to reduce the selling prices or rents, (which is actually a great thing for basically everybody) and the full build-out might take longer, which doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.

Exactly.

Colin - This is how supply and demand works.

counterfactual
Jan 24, 2015, 9:10 PM
CBC, in a rather boosterish piece on their website, reports that Francis Fares will start construction of tower four as early as next month, and that the third building is "nearly sold out".

Obviously Fares doesn't read Colin's sage advice and doesn't know his buildings are really vacant. Since he must be an idiot, like all developers, he will continue building empty shells until the money runs out.

The same story says with the completion of the fourth building and occupancy of over 800, he will launch his promised water taxi from the Kings Wharf marina to downtown, using a "sailboat with captain and crew."

"We'll take them across the harbour, they can go cruising, whatever their wish and desire is," says Fares.

Some commenting wag suggests that maybe they could put people on the train instead.

Fares adds the fourth building will be marketed specifically to young professionals rather than those downsizing oldsters.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/king-s-wharf-residents-will-live-high-life-when-project-complete-1.2927248

If Colin is right, it's going to be awfully funny watching a Water Taxi going back and forth, delivering no one, as there are no tenants at King's Wharf!

Or even better, if there *are* people on board, I guess we'll just surmise they are merely employees pretending to be tenants!

someone123
Jan 24, 2015, 9:31 PM
I don't get why this is a bad thing for anyone other than the developer/landowner. Worst case scenario is they have to reduce the selling prices or rents, (which is actually a great thing for basically everybody) and the full build-out might take longer, which doesn't seem like that big of a deal to me.

One has to be careful about questioning the motives of people, but I think the armchair market analyses are often really an attempt to argue backwards from a desired conclusion. People decide they don't want a building, and so they say it will be useless to try to shift public opinion against it. I'm not saying that this is what's happening in this thread, but it does remind me a lot of many public consultations.

It's fine to speculate about how well condos will or won't sell but I don't think the municipality or individuals understand the market better than the developers or that any good would come of trying to interfere in it. The naysaying about condos has been around for as long as condos themselves had, but the reality is that most of the condos in Halifax have people living in them.

As an aside, I doubt that developers need to sell 100% of the units in their buildings in order to make a profit, and each building appeals to different segments of the market to different degrees. I can see it making perfect sense to move on to a new, different building before having sold all of the units in the last one.

Colin May
Jan 25, 2015, 4:26 AM
[QUOTE=someone123;6888277]One has to be careful about questioning the motives of people, but I think the armchair market analyses are often really an attempt to argue backwards from a desired conclusion.

Two points.
1 ) My data is not an analysis. It is extracted from PVSC and the Registry of Deeds. i.e official sources.
2) Stating easily verified facts is not 'arguing backwards'.

My BS detector has served me very well in the past 40 years in Dartmouth. I know political and business BS when I see and hear it.
King's Wharf is a bold, risky and expensive project. Hype attracts scrutiny and the hype caused me to look closely at the established facts as detailed in legal documents. Others can analyze the sales data and the loan documents and draw their own conclusions.
And the moon doesn't set in the south west when viewed from Dartmouth.

http://kingswharf.ca/index.php/rent/ click on 'view photo gallery'

fenwick16
Jan 25, 2015, 2:28 PM
Two points.
1 ) My data is not an analysis. It is extracted from PVSC and the Registry of Deeds. i.e official sources.
2) Stating easily verified facts is not 'arguing backwards'.

My BS detector has served me very well in the past 40 years in Dartmouth. I know political and business BS when I see and hear it.
King's Wharf is a bold, risky and expensive project. Hype attracts scrutiny and the hype caused me to look closely at the established facts as detailed in legal documents. Others can analyze the sales data and the loan documents and draw their own conclusions.
And the moon doesn't set in the south west when viewed from Dartmouth.

http://kingswharf.ca/index.php/rent/ click on 'view photo gallery'



I finally understand what you meant in your previous posts :sly:, you are referring to the picture below. I think the King's Wharf developers can be allowed some imaginative imagery. They also have a few duplicate towers on the Halifax side. However, by the time the iconic tower is completed then there really will be several more towers on the Halifax side (Roy, Maple, Nova Centre, larger TD tower ...).

On a positive note, of the 5 towers shown in the image below, 4 are either complete or under construction. My guess is that the iconic tower will be under construction by 2018 but that is based on the HRM/Nova Scotia economy improving as has being forecast. I also feel that the great migration to Western Canada will reverse due to the slowing of the oil boom in the West. With a bit more optimism and less pessimism then many ex-maritimers might return to work in the Halifax area.

(source: http://kingswharf.ca/index.php/rent/)
http://kingswharf.ca/assets/2-NIghtVIewFromPatrick1.jpg

someone123
Jan 25, 2015, 7:21 PM
I finally understand what you meant in your previous posts :sly:, you are referring to the picture below. I think the King's Wharf developers can be allowed some imaginative imagery.

I thought the moon setting in the southwest thing was some sort of cryptic metaphor.

Colin May
Jan 25, 2015, 8:59 PM
I thought the moon setting in the southwest thing was some sort of cryptic metaphor.
My use of the phrase was an attempt to encourage people to ponder the veracity of the widely used image.
It is a misleading image to help push sales and most people don't know east from west.
The photo is one of a few reasons I decided to look closer at the development as I believe a good project can be promoted/sold without crossing an ethical line. The image has been published extensively. Remove the moon and the image is much more stunning - the moon draws the eye away from the buildings.
The boat, looks like a lobster boat, near the bottom of the image is the wrong size when you compare it against the 5 towers behind it. FUBAR.
Stars in the night sky would be more effective but that requires more knowledgeable graphic artists.

Empire
Jan 27, 2015, 1:02 AM
Downtown HFX looks to be cut & pasted three times.......3 Aliant buildings?
Why not use Toronto's skyline?

Colin May
Jan 27, 2015, 1:22 AM
Downtown HFX looks to be cut & pasted three times.......3 Aliant buildings?
Why not use Toronto's skyline?
But can you see the lobster boat ?

fenwick16
Jan 27, 2015, 2:23 AM
Downtown HFX looks to be cut & pasted three times.......3 Aliant buildings?
Why not use Toronto's skyline?

To be fair to the King's Wharf developers, they are showing the completed project so why should they show the skyline as it appears in 2012?

By the time the project is complete, the Cogswell interchange will likely be torn down and replaced with some residential towers, the Nova Centre, Cunard Block, Maple, Roy, Pavilion at South Park, tower at the current Discovery Centre, twin Sir Charles Tupper building, Alexander tower and various other towers will be on the skyline. Since no one knows for sure what the skyline will look like in 2030 they just created a future skyline. However, if it were me imagining the skyline I would want to include the Halterm terminal with a couple of massive, docked container ships, docked cruise ships and large container/cruise ships entering and leaving the harbour.

counterfactual
Jan 27, 2015, 3:56 AM
Are we seriously arguing over the detailed accuracy of a photo used for promotional purposes?

Obviously, the developers are going to stretch things a bit in order to sell these things.

The reality, is this is a fantastic development that is injecting some much, much, needed new energy and population density into the "core" of downtown Dartmouth and the waterfront area. It might eventually help spurn some additional new investment in the area, some facelifts to existing buildings, etc. and ultimately make downtown Dartmouth look like... a nice place again. Unlike the rundown, down-on-its-luck look it's been rocking for a few decades.

Let's get with it.

worldlyhaligonian
Jan 27, 2015, 4:38 AM
It is out of date anyway:

There have been 2 and 3 tall tower renderings since...

https://metronewsca.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/01-21-halfront-kings-wharf.png?w=618&h=408&crop=1
Source: metronews.ca

http://www.condonova.ca/sites/default/files/KingWharf-New%202013-12-18%20at%202.19.47%20PM.png
Source: Condonova.ca

Jonovision
Feb 19, 2015, 11:02 PM
The new sales centre for the Killick opens at the end of the month.
This rendering was posted on their facebook page. I saw another on an add in the ferry terminal but couldn't find it online.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/15882_915653398486015_6680900664676071552_n.png?oh=f9760ce3f55fba86c9bf14032995c7bb&oe=5552C9B6&__gda__=1434752715_b3490a40dd46c1e0c08e22e648b1c8d3

worldlyhaligonian
Feb 20, 2015, 2:29 AM
Looks like the final tower of the 4 is the most boring design-wise, but gives some diversity to their look.