[Davis137]

They are great shots everybody...Making us anxious to see the exterior installed on the whole building now...

[Ottawade]

Wow, Mondrian has really changed our skyline from the view of a pedestrian. It's also looking pretty close to what they promised us in the concepts...

I shop on bank street daily and I agree. It's way bigger and more dominant that I would have expected, but I think in a very good way. I'm especially excited about when it will be lit up at night.

[O-Town Hockey]

It's not just what you can see, but also what you can't . It does a great job blocking that ugly grey blank facade (Bank and Albert) from most angles. This shot is a good example:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3352/3418097315_afc65169a7_b.jpg

[O-Town Hockey]

A beautiful day for a bike ride today so I thought I would hit up Centretown to check out the progress. Lots of activity down at Mondrian today despite it being Easter Monday. Both the tower and the podium are now topped out so it's time for cladding and interiors to get into high gear. Glass started on 16 with 9 more to go. I wonder when they'll take the forms down?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3354/3439819974_97116626ac_b.jpg

Podium along Gloucester Street
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3346/3439824646_43d59813fe_b.jpg

A different angle
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3316/3439017229_339f160ef4_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3588/3439834574_1248e71e85_b.jpg

[Davis137]

1st pic is awesome O-Town! The glass and other cladding is actually making the building look bigger/fatter than it was with just the superstructure. I like the view of it from the south on Bank too...

[harls]

Lookin' good O-Town :tup:

here's a couple from today..

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3357/3447536091_8f415c8232_b.jpg

from further down Bank street (near Vittoria)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3316/3448211850_581f05ec8f_b.jpg

[jcollins]

Great shots Harls!

Looks like another beautiful day in Ottawa.

[O-Town Hockey]

What do you guys think about the grey bricks? It's an interesting touch.

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

What do you guys think about the grey bricks? It's an interesting touch.

A dash of communism serves the public good. If the public knows what's best for it, that is. ;)

[jcollins]

What do you guys think about the grey bricks? It's an interesting touch.

I like them too.
Communism aside. :haha:

[O-Town Hockey]

Some more shots of my favorite commieblock. Ridiculously amazing day today to get off work early and go for a ride. Tower topped out, forms all down, glass up to 17 now.

The "skinny" view
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3634/3472112020_766f889299_b.jpg

The graffiti parking lot view
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3631/3471304429_24f366681d_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3311/3472118942_7dd9b88ac2_b.jpg

The ass-end view (mechanical room and coach houses going up on top of podium)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3328/3472121972_b7716e348a_b.jpg

The Promenade view
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3404/3471317635_3b74bd755a_b.jpg

My new house all closed in
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3312/3471314233_befaa94371_b.jpg

The HP view
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3345/3472134240_93bc303571_b.jpg

The old Riverside dump view
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3589/3471325757_98bde0ee34_b.jpg

[harls]

The crane will be coming down soon!

[Davis137]

Kick ass pics...keep em comin!

[Mille Sabords]

Amazing shots there O-Town. And it was a perfect day out there.

[jeremy_haak]

I'm actually pretty impressed with how this is turning out. I wasn't sure how the sandblasted glass facade over the parking garage would work, but it's looking really sharp.

[O-Town Hockey]

The thing that I'm happiest about this tower is the height variety it adds. It's not quite as tall as L'Esplanade or Place Export and it's taller than all the surrounding 12-17 storey buildings. Ottawa doesn't need a supertall, but a little bit of height variety would do wonders for our skyline. Now all we need is a couple 35 storey towers somewhere in the Metcalfe-Bank area to fill things in.

One of you guys with a nice camera (as opposed to my point and shoot) should try taking a skyline pano from that dump vantage point. It's actually a pretty decent and unique view of our CBD, but just too far for my 4x optical zoom. Just get off the bus at Hurdman and walk up the hill.

[aesthetic]

From Jillpyle85 @ Flickr (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jillpyle/)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3643/3469122775_d99f5b87cd_b.jpg

[Davis137]

/\/\/\ Great picture!

Shows how different the asthetic of Mondrian is compared to the surrounding buildings...

[harls]

Here's a shot of the roof - almost completed.

From this height it looks kinda smoggy out today, actually..

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/3480859928_bd772168ec_b.jpg

[harls]

Reverse angle - can't really see much from this way, though..

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3636/3484063292_516568e691_b.jpg

[Ottawade]

Bleh, talk about an uninspiring view!

[harls]

the cloudiness and general drearyness doesn't help either :yuck: ;)

[ottawatraffic]

Is it me, or do the red panels seem a little dinky.

They don't have any presence and are not very visible form most angles

[Danman]

Is it me, or do the red panels seem a little dinky.

They don't have any presence and are not very visible form most angles

They dont stand out too much during daylight but wait untill the building is lit up at night, you will definitely see those red panes !

[333fun555]

Shouldn't stand out too much anyway. Looks GREAT as it is. :tup:

[O-Town Hockey]

I think the large coloured panes works well in the Montreal Convention Centre, but would be too overwhelming in a building as tall as Mondrian and would borderline on looking tacky. In this case, from a distance it breaks up the facade a bit without being overwhelming and, as Danman mentioned, wait until people have their units lit up at nighttime.

Montreal Convention Centre
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3284/2538063741_44e3bd8555.jpg
http://www.johnnyjet.com/images/PicForNewsletterJan2006MontrealConventionCenter.JPG

Mondrian
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3311/3472118942_7dd9b88ac2_b.jpg

Have your pick

[m0nkyman]

And an actual Mondrian:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/9c/Mondrian_Comp10.jpg

[O-Town Hockey]

If anyone's interested, Mondrian construction is on schedule. We just received our up-to-date move-in schedule and people will start moving in July as scheduled. :cheers:

[O-Town Hockey]

Construction update from my weekly Sunday bike ride. Podium topping out, glass up to 18, brick work moving along steadily.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3553/3498034486_6accd3aee3_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3645/3498039534_71c99ec666_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3400/3497228573_09d2bc63a7_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3299/3497233959_96e7cf2f1a_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3565/3497238855_3a5014feb5_b.jpg

The mechanical space along Gloucester and the coach houses at their final height (2 storeys above the podium)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3416/3498060352_419ff9c5fa_b.jpg

Roof detail
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3593/3497249315_d4628ec140_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3382/3497253859_522d8130d2_b.jpg

Bonus tulip shots
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3609/3497269177_e959914d3e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3380/3498079996_6b6b5e52f0_b.jpg

[peteotown]

my fiance and I are starting to look for a new place to live and came across this ad:

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-housing-apartments-for-rent-1-bedroom-Luxurious-condo-in-centretown-W0QQAdIdZ125742575

Seems like rental units in Mondrian will be popping up soon. Sept 2nd for the 12th floor - does this seem correct (not sure of move-in progress)?

[Ottawade]

A shot I took on the weekend:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3274/3506773725_a2599304e8_b.jpg

[Tor2Ott]

my fiance and I are starting to look for a new place to live and came across this ad:

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-housing-apartments-for-rent-1-bedroom-Luxurious-condo-in-centretown-W0QQAdIdZ125742575

Seems like rental units in Mondrian will be popping up soon. Sept 2nd for the 12th floor - does this seem correct (not sure of move-in progress)?

I like how the ad says "million-dollar view" to the south. :)

Honestly, $1450/month at Mondrian for 569sf without parking is quite steep. But Mondrian with so many small units will certainly have a lot of buyers that are investors, and when more units become available to move in, you will see more and more rental ads. That will create competition, and drive down the price. For that particular unit, I am guessing they need to come down to at least $1300. And I think that particular owner knows that, and so he post an ad early ahead of the potential influx of ads that will come out. of So if you can wait a few months, perhaps hold off on it till more units become available.

[d_jeffrey]

my fiance and I are starting to look for a new place to live and came across this ad:

http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-housing-apartments-for-rent-1-bedroom-Luxurious-condo-in-centretown-W0QQAdIdZ125742575

Seems like rental units in Mondrian will be popping up soon. Sept 2nd for the 12th floor - does this seem correct (not sure of move-in progress)?

Well the place I live right now will be available soon (East Market). I will definitely move out for good in September at most. I pay $1700 for unit with Parking, 21st floor, 740sf. It includes hydro too.

[harls]

I like how the ad says "million-dollar view" to the south. :)


hm.. who's place could they be looking at, I wonder? :D

[waterloowarrior]

had a sausage at Bank/Laurier today while checking out the Mondrian... looking great! that hot dog guy is intense, looks like he may have a heart attack some day! (from working so hard/fast)

[O-Town Hockey]

That guy makes the best street meat in town IMO. According to my move-in schedule that would be unit 1212 and their date is correct (though they don't get the elevator until Sept. 4). I know one purchaser from the 12th floor that is renting out their unit, but not this one. Nice shot Ottawade, Somerset and O'Connor?

[Ottawade]

Nice shot Ottawade, Somerset and O'Connor?

Little north, but thats about right!

[Rocky1687]

Just noticed that unit 11 has a balcony that wasn't in the original specs...I'm sure those who bought unit 11 will be happy about that :). That brick wall that they're building on the South side of the wall contained the last balcony in the original specs...now there is another balcony on the east side of the brick wall.
This is a bonus item for folks...I just hope that there aren't negative changes..ala reduction in square footage of some units..etc. If it all turns out as expected I'll be a happy camper.

[YOWetal]

I like how the ad says "million-dollar view" to the south. :)

Honestly, $1450/month at Mondrian for 569sf without parking is quite steep. But Mondrian with so many small units will certainly have a lot of buyers that are investors, and when more units become available to move in, you will see more and more rental ads. That will create competition, and drive down the price. For that particular unit, I am guessing they need to come down to at least $1300. And I think that particular owner knows that, and so he post an ad early ahead of the potential influx of ads that will come out. of So if you can wait a few months, perhaps hold off on it till more units become available.

Hard to say. Units of that size in Phase 3 of the East market rent for up to $1500 w/o parking. Mondrian is probably not in as a desirable location, but does have more amenities and is not surrounded by other condos so less competition.

Anybody actually believe Sept 2 occupancy?

[Danman]

Just noticed that unit 11 has a balcony that wasn't in the original specs...I'm sure those who bought unit 11 will be happy about that :). That brick wall that they're building on the South side of the wall contained the last balcony in the original specs...now there is another balcony on the east side of the brick wall.
This is a bonus item for folks...I just hope that there aren't negative changes..ala reduction in square footage of some units..etc. If it all turns out as expected I'll be a happy camper.

The 11 units were not selling, so they added a balconie after original concept.
The unit would have been a terrarium without it!

[YOWetal]

The 11 units were not selling, so they added a balconie after original concept.
The unit would have been a terrarium without it!

There is still a unit on the north side that has no balcony is there not?

I actually think balconys are overated (who ever uses them?) and it does impede some of your light and view.

[Tor2Ott]

Hard to say. Units of that size in Phase 3 of the East market rent for up to $1500 w/o parking. Mondrian is probably not in as a desirable location, but does have more amenities and is not surrounded by other condos so less competition.

Darn, then I think I underpriced my 605sf penthouse unit at HP. At $1400/month, it's a steal, not just compared to the Mondrian unit, but with other units available for rent at HP1.

[d_jeffrey]

There is still a unit on the north side that has no balcony is there not?

I actually think balconys are overated (who ever uses them?) and it does impede some of your light and view.

I thought I was the only one who was thinking that. I'd rather have a larger indoor square footage. What I find ridiculous is that no BBQs are allowed on them. That was the only time I was using mine when I was living in Sherbrooke.

[YOWetal]

I thought I was the only one who was thinking that. I'd rather have a larger indoor square footage. What I find ridiculous is that no BBQs are allowed on them. That was the only time I was using mine when I was living in Sherbrooke.

It seems to be universal that you can't use them on your balconys. Unless it is a safety issues it seems ridiculous to me. Its not like people's smoke would be that annoying, again because hardly anyone uses them more than a few minutes a month

[jitterbug]

While we may be getting a bit off-topic here, I happen to think the no-BBQ rule for apartments makes a lot of sense. Can you imagine if everyone was using one, right around dinner time? The place would look like it was on fire, not to mention the smoke and fumes getting into adjacent units. Use your heads people! (And if BBQ'ing is important to you, consider moving to a single-family home or a townhouse.)

[Rocky1687]

While we may be getting a bit off-topic here, I happen to think the no-BBQ rule for apartments makes a lot of sense. Can you imagine if everyone was using one, right around dinner time? The place would look like it was on fire, not to mention the smoke and fumes getting into adjacent units. Use your heads people! (And if BBQ'ing is important to you, consider moving to a single-family home or a townhouse.)

I tend to agree. That's why these buildings have communal BBQs in an open air location. These are just lessons learned from older condos where you were allowed to do anything. We're in tight quarters in a condo and smoke blowing into someone's open window isn't cool....not to mention...a propane tank is like a small bomb there...I think that's the real reason they're not allowed....danger and insurance $$$.

I don't completely disagree with the rules regarding the balconies. I'd like to think you can leave it in peoples hands with what can go where, but you'll always end out with someone using it for storage and depending on whether their enclosed or not...can really make a building look like crap. There is a building a block south of the HP where everyone has junk or sat dishes on the balconies...it doesn't look great.

If you guys, who have bought a unit in the HP or Mondrian, check out the "rules" book...you'll note that even the window facing side of the curtains must be white. If you didn't know...surprise. I've been going over it lately.

[O-Town Hockey]

I once saw a BBQ explosion on a balcony in the Jane & Finch area of Toronto. Believe me, I bet they were wishing they didn't decide to cook out on the balcony that night. Living in an apartment now, I even find when the people below me smoke on their balcony, that it drifts into my apartment. I can only imagine if they had 8 or 9 hamburgers sizzling on the grill!

Aesthetics are very important in highrise towers and I'm all for limiting what people put on their balconies. Just look at that building on Lees avenue with all the balconies; it looks like a vertical slum. Mondrian's going for a particular look and the white window shades is a big part of it (see renderings).

I purchased a unit #11 one week after they added the balcony. One of the selling points of the unit was the private balcony. While the wall on one side is a bit of an obstruction, we also have a whole side of the balcony with no neighbours that overlooks Bank Street. Not everyone likes balconies, but they are obviously a selling point. As soon as they added it to #11 it was one of the first units to completely sell out. It also might have to do with them adding an island to the kitchen as well.

Lastly, from http://www.cfra.com:

Shortlist for Parole Office

Three locations are on a shortlist to become the new address for a parole office in the city.

All locations are downtown. The list includes 340 Laurier West, 360 Laurier West, as well as the Jackson Building at the corner of Bank St. and Slater St. Correction Services of Canada says it will consult community groups before making a decision.

In March, a previous location on 1010 Somerset St. had to be cancelled after several complaints from area residents.

A public meeting has been scheudled for May 21 at the Crowne Plaza Hotel.


I definately have my concerns with a parole office becomming my new neighbour. I hope they make the reasonable decision to put the office at Bank and Slater as it won't be near any residential units that way and will be right on the Transitway for easy access. I will be at the meeting on May 21st to exercise my NIMBY powers.

Unlike the residents of the Glebe who knew they were moving to a neighbourhood that has housed a football stadium for almost 100 years, I chose to move to Mondrian to avoid the crowd that the Byward Market shelters attracts. I guess those sketchy characters will be following me to Laurier Avenue West.

[kwoldtimer]

.... I actually think balconys are overated (who ever uses them?) and it does impede some of your light and view.

I've always thought they were a complete waste of space given Ottawa's climate, not to mention unsightly in many cases where they seem to be used mainly as storage space - I would much rather have an enclosed solarium for at least three season use plus a common rooftop terrace.:tup:

[waterloowarrior]

from Matt Richling (real estate agent)'s blog (http://www.mattrichling.com/)

view from 14th floor nextdoor
http://www.mattrichling.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mondrian-view1.jpg

http://www.mattrichling.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mondrian-3.jpg

http://www.mattrichling.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mondrian-1.jpg

[harls]

^nice find, WW!

[d_jeffrey]

from Matt Richling (real estate agent)'s blog (http://www.mattrichling.com/)

view from 14th floor nextdoor
http://www.mattrichling.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/mondrian-view1.jpg

The next time that someone tells me that Ottawa is not made of midget boxes, I'll just show them that pic. Even Sim City has more choices.

[O-Town Hockey]

Very nice shots, great find! From the higher floors on Mondrian we'll be able to see really far South, probably be able to see the airport even.

[O-Town Hockey]

I'm very curious to see what they plan to do with that space on the Bank Street side of the parking structure. I imagine that it will be a sign for Shoppers Drug Mart, but what type of sign they choose will really dictate how this building looks. I would like to see something really flashy, like a high resolution LED sign with vibrant colours. It would be an advertisement, of course, but would bring a lot of life to this busy intersection. I quickly put together what I imagine it looking like:

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/506/shopperssign.jpg

[Kitchissippi]

I was in New York City last weekend and took a bit of footage of the LED signs in Times Square. This was around noon, and the signs are bright enough to be punchy. I doubt the residents in the Mondrian would appreciate something like this going on all night though.

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[O-Town Hockey]

With Mondrian's setback along Bank Street as well as the podium roof's overhang, I don't know if the lights would affect residents all that much. A slight angle of the sign towards the street would ensure that the only light residences would see is reflections off L'Esplanade Laurier. Considering that the store will likely close at midnight, the sign could be dimmed or even turned off completely after close.

[Rocky1687]

Not many cosmetic changes on the outside these days...more windows.

[Mille Sabords]

I was in New York City last weekend and took a bit of footage of the LED signs in Times Square. This was around noon, and the signs are bright enough to be punchy. I doubt the residents in the Mondrian would appreciate something like this going on all night though.

I agree with O-Town on this one. There is a cornice between the podium and the first level of apartments. Combined with a slight tilting of the signage down toward the street, the first level of balconies wouldn't get any direct reflection. What they would see is the illumination of the street from the signs, but that's what curtains and blinds are for. Then, past the first few floors, it's really a moot point. Who on the 10th or 15th floor would even see a difference?

Do it. Bring some illuminated signboards to this building. The street will be better for it and so will Mondrian. Think of the revenue. Each large billboard in Toronto generates an income of about $45,000 a month!

[O-Town Hockey]

Not many cosmetic changes on the outside these days...more windows.

Interesting that you say that today as I happened to be down there
to see some exciting (for me) progress this evening. Sorry about crappy quality:

Installing the glass on the 20th floor (still no illuminated sign :()
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3641/3550545648_88dee7a3ab_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3406/3549742365_23bdc0a893_b.jpg

They finally filled in that gap in the podium along Laurier with vents for the parking garage

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3562/3550553276_5a444872eb_b.jpg

Now, for the exciting part. Wall complete up to the 16th floor as well as balcony glass and railings up to 16 (Unit #11 only). That means
my exterior is complete! :banana:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3636/3550556826_a6ded89d0e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3322/3549752983_69b2e85725_b.jpg

[harls]

Aw, the one day I finally come downtown and you beat me to the update. ah well.

Same angles as you, O-town! :D

(lots of eye-candy out there today, nice and hot outside)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3353/3551359379_54f3b5a295_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3548/3552170206_6b8a027f49_b.jpg

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

I agree with O-Town on this one. There is a cornice between the podium and the first level of apartments. Combined with a slight tilting of the signage down toward the street, the first level of balconies wouldn't get any direct reflection. What they would see is the illumination of the street from the signs, but that's what curtains and blinds are for. Then, past the first few floors, it's really a moot point. Who on the 10th or 15th floor would even see a difference?

Do it. Bring some illuminated signboards to this building. The street will be better for it and so will Mondrian. Think of the revenue. Each large billboard in Toronto generates an income of about $45,000 a month!

I know, it's silly the way most people think in this city. I actually have a semi decent plan for turning the Bank/Laurier Intersection into a small-scale version of Dundas Square. It even includes trees to appease the tree-nuts in this city.

[Rocky1687]

I know, it's silly the way most people think in this city. I actually have a semi decent plan for turning the Bank/Laurier Intersection into a small-scale version of Dundas Square. It even includes trees to appease the tree-nuts in this city.

I agree and disagree with you at the same time because I have mixed feelings on this topic. Time's Square & Dundas Square are both flashy and provide a nice central focal point to the city. This I like. It's like a public gathering place...like when you get there you can say you're "IN" the city. Having worked at 2 Dundas West for a year I know what it's like on a regular basis. Weekdays it's busy and on the weekends it's a rat race...all well and good for a city and business...this is generally what you want....lots of people. I loved when I was down there, but that was just for a few hours. There is a distinguishing point with Times Square & Dundas Square. They're commercial focal points and as such a North American pop culture hot spot. You have adhoc concerts, Richard Branson cable jumping into the square...cultural events..all taking place in the middle of the square while I worked there...all cool stuff. When I went to lunch during the Summer I didn't know what I was going to see when I came out of the office from week to week..it was great. When we won the Olympic Gold Medal...people spontaneously went to the square to celebrate in droves!

Here is where I disagree with you guys. There are no residential buildings in the immediate vicinity...with good reason.....it's too much. I don't think it's a good mix for that sort of thing. If you have a square type setup...it really can't be in a residential zone. Although I think it's kind of fun...at the end of the day..it's pop culture and as such...can be pretty tacky. I think it's a good idea, but where appropriate.....besides...that little area at Laurier & Bank is much too small for that sort of thing...you need a spot where a few 100 people can gather at least. You want people to be able to run out in the middle of the night and celebrate the next gold medal without a whole host of noise complaints.

[333fun555]

Interesting that you say that today as I happened to be down there
to see some exciting (for me) progress this evening.

Looks great :tup: BTW, when are you moving in????????

[O-Town Hockey]

Looks great :tup: BTW, when are you moving in????????

I will be moving in October. Pretty exciting, but far away enough that I can distract myself with other stuff for now.

[Radster]

Sorry to bring this up again, but Ottawa must have some bylaw which prevents people from having BBQs on balconies in condo towers.
If you think about it, condo towers are all concrete, so there is little risk in allowing BBQs on a balcony. I have a good friend who lives in a new condo unit in Vancouver, on the 18th floor, and in his building BBQs are allowed on balconies, as is the case in most condo towers in Vancouver. So no, this Ottawa rule is not universal.

[bradnixon]

Sorry to bring this up again, but Ottawa must have some bylaw which prevents people from having BBQs on balconies in condo towers.
If you think about it, condo towers are all concrete, so there is little risk in allowing BBQs on a balcony. I have a good friend who lives in a new condo unit in Vancouver, on the 18th floor, and in his building BBQs are allowed on balconies, as is the case in most condo towers in Vancouver. So no, this Ottawa rule is not universal.

Negative. No such rule exists: http://www.ottawa.ca/residents/fire/prev_education/barbeque_balcony_en.html

[YOWetal]

Negative. No such rule exists: http://www.ottawa.ca/residents/fire/prev_education/barbeque_balcony_en.html


It seems it is just one of those trends for Ottawa. You don't see as many balconies on new highrises in most other cities. I guess you can work to allow BBQ on them in the Mondrian.

One of the problems in general in Condos is that the most anal people always end up on the Condo boards. Not to go way off topic..but, I find the rule that you can't rent your parking out to an outside person equally unnecessary, especially in a building with visitor parking. The idea that I can rent my condo to someone on parole for sex offences but can't rent my spot to a mid-level bearcurat who doesnt live in the building doesn't make sense. This will especially be an issue in Mondrian where a parking spot is probably worth close to $200 a month to someone working in the immediate area.

[O-Town Hockey]

As much as I love BBQ (and I really do), as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I really wouldn't want the guy below me with a grill full of hamburgers. Can you imagine the amount of smoke that could blow into your unit with the right wind? This is not even to mention the aesthetic issues with balconies dotted with rusty BBQs and propane tanks. I'd much rather use the common grills on the podium than have to deal with everyone elses billowing smoke.

[Zach6668]

As much as I love BBQ (and I really do), as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I really wouldn't want the guy below me with a grill full of hamburgers. Can you imagine the amount of smoke that could blow into your unit with the right wind? This is not even to mention the aesthetic issues with balconies dotted with rusty BBQs and propane tanks. I'd much rather use the common grills on the podium than have to deal with everyone elses billowing smoke.

I think this is the reason.

I'm just renting right now, but when I moved in they told me I was allowed an electric bbq, but if I wanted to do it, do it quick because they might change that rule as well. I'm in the East Market.

[333fun555]

I will be moving in October. Pretty exciting, but far away enough that I can distract myself with other stuff for now.

Mine is even further, I am scheduled for January 2010. :rolleyes:

[Indescribable]

Coming along...

[O-Town Hockey]

By mid-June the exterior of Mondrian should be complete. Apparently they're also really moving with the interiors right now according to sources. Can't wait to see it with it's completed glass exterior and balconies!

[Danman]

If you look closely the builder has requested that the glass on the balconies cover the cement floor slab...which makes it look quite nice. I have never seen it done this way...It will make the glass seem continuous...Very classy :))

[O-Town Hockey]

If you look closely the builder has requested that the glass on the balconies cover the cement floor slab...which makes it look quite nice. I have never seen it done this way...It will make the glass seem continuous...Very classy :))

I noticed :cool: and I think it looks good as well. From afar, it makes the floor slabs look paper thin and, even up close, it gives a real nice look. Hopefully someone is down there to take some pictures soon, I need my weekly update!

[waterloowarrior]

southfacing
http://www.flickr.com/photos/23575605@N08/3558163626/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3376/3558163626_323621ab87.jpg

[O-Town Hockey]

Close enough

[harls]

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2448/3570148389_189b86342d_b.jpg

Crappy shot of a corner of the roof..

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3617/3570941314_be73c59aa3_b.jpg

[ac888yow]

As much as I love BBQ (and I really do), as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I really wouldn't want the guy below me with a grill full of hamburgers. Can you imagine the amount of smoke that could blow into your unit with the right wind? This is not even to mention the aesthetic issues with balconies dotted with rusty BBQs and propane tanks. I'd much rather use the common grills on the podium than have to deal with everyone elses billowing smoke.Holy drama ... :rolleyes:

No offence, but I think you are greatly exaggerating the annoyance that BBQs on balconies would cause. Even still, so what if you get a bit of smoke every now and again? If it bothers you that much just close the door(s)/window(s) for 15-20 minutes until the grilling is done. Problem solved.

Did it ever occur to you (not necessarily you personally ... the collective 'you' with concerns like this) that perhaps one way of getting people out of the 'burbs and into denser, more central mid/high-rise developments could be to allow them some of the perks that a suburban home offers ... like the ability to BBQ privately on their balcony?

Many people on this board and in general waste no time crucifying suburbanites for wanting a big house with a big yard and a big BBQ, but I bet it's these same people who voice 'concerns' or 'complaints' such as the one you just did over a feature that just might help mitigate the sprawling of our cities.

Here's some exercises for you to try:

1) Next time you're in Westboro stop in at Domicile's sales office and ask them how sought-after their buildings are thanks in no small part to the fact that they offer an optional natural gas line to the balcony in every condo they build.

2) Ask any owner of such a condo how much they adore this feature and how little everyone elses BBQ smoke bothers them.

3) Ask any real-estate agent how much this feature adds to the resale value of a condo with it vs. a comparable condo without it.

[YOWetal]

Holy drama ... :rolleyes:

No offence, but I think you are greatly exaggerating the annoyance that BBQs on balconies would cause. Even still, so what if you get a bit of smoke every now and again? If it bothers you that much just close the door(s)/window(s) for 15-20 minutes until the grilling is done. Problem solved.

Did it ever occur to you (not necessarily you personally ... the collective 'you' with concerns like this) that perhaps one way of getting people out of the 'burbs and into denser, more central mid/high-rise developments could be to allow them some of the perks that a suburban home offers ... like the ability to BBQ privately on their balcony?

Many people on this board and in general waste no time crucifying suburbanites for wanting a big house with a big yard and a big BBQ, but I bet it's these same people who voice 'concerns' or 'complaints' such as the one you just did over a feature that just might help mitigate the sprawling of our cities.

Here's some exercises for you to try:

1) Next time you're in Westboro stop in at Domicile's sales office and ask them how sought-after their buildings are thanks in no small part to the fact that they offer an optional natural gas line to the balcony in every condo they build.

2) Ask any owner of such a condo how much they adore this feature and how little everyone elses BBQ smoke bothers them.

3) Ask any real-estate agent how much this feature adds to the resale value of a condo with it vs. a comparable condo without it.

Couldn't agree more. Points to the tendency of condo boards to worry too much about potential problems and annoyances of people who might not be ready for condo life (no personal offence meant OP), rather than maximizing the benefits of features such as balconies, parking etc.

[Rocky1687]

Holy drama ... :rolleyes:

No offence, but I think you are greatly exaggerating the annoyance that BBQs on balconies would cause. Even still, so what if you get a bit of smoke every now and again? If it bothers you that much just close the door(s)/window(s) for 15-20 minutes until the grilling is done. Problem solved.

Did it ever occur to you (not necessarily you personally ... the collective 'you' with concerns like this) that perhaps one way of getting people out of the 'burbs and into denser, more central mid/high-rise developments could be to allow them some of the perks that a suburban home offers ... like the ability to BBQ privately on their balcony?

Many people on this board and in general waste no time crucifying suburbanites for wanting a big house with a big yard and a big BBQ, but I bet it's these same people who voice 'concerns' or 'complaints' such as the one you just did over a feature that just might help mitigate the sprawling of our cities.

Here's some exercises for you to try:

1) Next time you're in Westboro stop in at Domicile's sales office and ask them how sought-after their buildings are thanks in no small part to the fact that they offer an optional natural gas line to the balcony in every condo they build.

2) Ask any owner of such a condo how much they adore this feature and how little everyone elses BBQ smoke bothers them.

3) Ask any real-estate agent how much this feature adds to the resale value of a condo with it vs. a comparable condo without it.

"Just close your window"...these types of statements are just flame bait man..c'mon. That's like saying...the neighbors are being loud all the time...well then...just put in ear plugs. You want to sit on your balcony with a beer after work, but the neighbors steak smoke is blowing in your face...that's ok...your answer...just go inside, hide behind your closed door or window.

All these things depend on the neighborhood, the type of buyers the builder is targeting and the building type...a gas line connected to a small grill is completely different than having a full size BBQ with propane tank. Any "line" be it, cable, high speed internet etc pre-installed in a condo, house or otherwise will always add value.

Condo living is within the parameters of the rules for a given building. I highly doubt that BBQs on the balcony is going to encourage someone to buy a house over a condo :p. Just like a neighborhood with a park, you buy the home with the amenities you're looking for.

If you want a BBQ..then you buy a building that will allow one. You can't complain about a building that provides the rule book and then cry foul because it's written that way. For every person looking for grill allowance on the balcony there is another that has no interest in one. I don't think BBQs and the type of (shared) balconies would suit this building. O-Town bought a condo in this building and is happy that there aren't any on the balconies....there is a designated area. He's hardly being dramatic, let him be happy!

[O-Town Hockey]

I guess to each his own. But to be fair I would like to stipulate that no one is allowed to comment on this topic unless they currently reside in an apartment building or a highrise condominium. If that is the case, please continue, otherwise, you can get back to your giant suburban Broil King grill :rolleyes:. Having lived in one for the past 4 years, I have learned that all it takes is one tenant not respecting the others in the building to ruin like 10 people's day. Whether they are doing so intentially (like yelling and screaming at 3am on a Wednesday) or just out of ignorance ("just close your window if you don't want smoke in your condo") it's all the same to me. Sometimes one has to make small sacrifices for the good of the group. I guess that makes me sound a bit communist but, oh well, I am from Saskatchewan of course.

[Mille Sabords]

It seems to me that unless you've actually experienced what it's like it's easier to get ideas in your mind than to actually live with it. I lived in a Domicile condo where just about every owner got the balcony gas line for a BBQ and many availed themselves of the advantage during the summer. I can honestly say, maybe because there was enough distance between the balconies, that whatever faint smell there was, we barely noticed, and it was pretty appetizing anyway - made us want to BBQ ourselves. Unless you have a total incompetent over-roasting their meat, or an accident, I didn't find it to be much of a presence, olfactory or otherwise.

[333fun555]

I guess that makes me sound a bit communist but, oh well, I am from Saskatchewan of course.


Being from Saskatchevan O-Town, is it good or bad :sly:

[d_jeffrey]

It seems to me that unless you've actually experienced what it's like it's easier to get ideas in your mind than to actually live with it. I lived in a Domicile condo where just about every owner got the balcony gas line for a BBQ and many availed themselves of the advantage during the summer. I can honestly say, maybe because there was enough distance between the balconies, that whatever faint smell there was, we barely noticed, and it was pretty appetizing anyway - made us want to BBQ ourselves. Unless you have a total incompetent over-roasting their meat, or an accident, I didn't find it to be much of a presence, olfactory or otherwise.

Pretty much what I think. I had a BBQ on my balcony in Sherbrooke, was the best thing ever. I rarely see people on their balconies in highrises, BBQs add life, because you need to be outside, and it smells good.

I never heard a complaint about a BBQ.

[O-Town Hockey]

Being from Saskatchevan O-Town, is it good or bad :sly:

Being from Saskatchewan is great. It was the home of Tommy Douglas, the founder of socialized medicine in Canada, as well as the Saskatchewan wheat pool; making it a fairly communistish place compared to Ontario or Alberta.

OK, you guys win. BBQs for all! I'm not 100% against it, but I do see the benefits of limiting the grilling to common areas only. Though, as I mentioned earlier, aesthetic reasons alone will likely stop Mondrian residents from having BBQs on their balcony.

[ac888yow]

"Just close your window"...these types of statements are just flame bait man..c'mon. That's like saying...the neighbors are being loud all the time...well then...just put in ear plugs. You want to sit on your balcony with a beer after work, but the neighbors steak smoke is blowing in your face...that's ok...your answer...just go inside, hide behind your closed door or window.Flame bait my arse. It's called discussion, and sometimes even debate :tup:

BTW, my message was not to go hide in the closet, but rather to 'deal with it'. People don't grill for hours on end. It lasts for 10-20 minutes, tops. Your comparison to loud neighbors "all the time" is invalid. People grilling up a steak for dinner aren't being assholes.

a gas line connected to a small grill is completely different than having a full size BBQ with propane tankThere's no difference. Fire + meat = smoke. Oh, and I happen to own one of those Domicile condos with the gas line, and when I lived in it (now rented) I had as big a Napoleon grill as my balcony could fit.

Condo living is within the parameters of the rules for a given building. I highly doubt that BBQs on the balcony is going to encourage someone to buy a house over a condo :p.BBQ on the balcony was EXACTLY what made me buy the condo over a house.

If you want a BBQ..then you buy a building that will allow one. You can't complain about a building that provides the rule book and then cry foul because it's written that way.You missed the point entirely. I was saying that we should be encouraging more full-featured condo developments to attract a greater buyer base ... namely the suburban dwellers.

I can't tell you how many friends of mine (30-35 years old) have grudgingly bought homes in the burbs in large part because their lifestyle involves a lot of entertaining, a lot of grilling, etc. These people would all be in condos if they had the choice.

[Rocky1687]

Head in the sand is it? You're not getting my point here...which is saying someone is being dramatic when they agree with the building rules "this building (Mondrian)" that there are no BBQs on the balconies. They still have BBQs on the podium!

You also completely missed my point regarding a propane tank and a gas line. It's not the size of a BBQ...it's the tank. A rusted out old propane tank is like a bomb on the side of the building. My point here is your comparing apples to oranges. A building with a gas line is INTENDED to have a BBQ attached to it. The building is designed for it and will attract the right buyers for it. The Mondrian isn't designed for it so I agree with those that say it shouldn't have BBQs...I certainly doubt it's just a matter of putting in a gas line. There would be a whole host of regulations that go along with the gas line, insurance etc.

In a nutshell...I just plainly disagree with you regarding the grills. By allowing BBQs and every other amenity you'll please some and annoy others. Given the number of condos going up and the sales I don't think there is a great shortage of buyers around. I don't think attraction of suburban dwellers is really an issue...they're filling up....BBQs or not.

Some buildings have pools, parking, gym, concierge & valet parking...and others do not. Can't please everybody...and the BBQ is just another item on the list. Entertaining has nothing to do with a BBQ. It's just another way to cook food....it's not a religion. I love to BBQ myself, but the best way to cook meat is an opinion. You don't need a BBQ for good cooking and entertaining....have a steak at a good French or Italian restaurant...you don't need the BBQ to blow people away with good food. Luckily for you...if you truly miss it...you always have the Domicile :tup: .

[bikegypsy]

I like BBQs, in fact, I love them, BBQs, yes, yummy, come to papa, BQQ.
I going to make mine korean style. BBQ. ye.

One thing for sure is that we have to reevaluate our bounderies and be very tolerant of each other. Obnoxious neighbours are hell, but smell and little smoke from roasting chicken, specialy if I can have some, is fine. FINE.... BBQ

[ac888yow]

Head in the sand is it? You're not getting my point here...which is saying someone is being dramatic when they agree with the building rules "this building (Mondrian)" that there are no BBQs on the balconies. They still have BBQs on the podium!Sadly I don't think you know what you're arguing anymore. One thing's for sure, it isn't about any point I was making.

I'll try helping you out a bit one more time before giving up on you. The OP said:

As much as I love BBQ (and I really do), as I mentioned earlier in this thread, I really wouldn't want the guy below me with a grill full of hamburgers. Can you imagine the amount of smoke that could blow into your unit with the right wind? This is not even to mention the aesthetic issues with balconies dotted with rusty BBQs and propane tanks. I'd much rather use the common grills on the podium than have to deal with everyone elses billowing smoke.The emboldened text is what I found to be overly dramatic and indicative of inexperience regarding balcony grilling. Billowing smoke? Give me a break.

What's more is that there has been plenty of evidence provided by people in the know supporting my position, whereas you are all alone trying to defend yours. Experience and knowledge trumps your emotional ranting.

Balcony grilling is only an issue to people who a) have never experienced it or b) choose to make it an issue (i.e., generally miserable people who aren't happy unless they're complaining about something). I'll take a wild guess as to which category you fall into.

[Rocky1687]

Sadly I don't think you know what you're arguing anymore. One thing's for sure, it isn't about any point I was making.

I'll try helping you out a bit one more time before giving up on you. The OP said:

The emboldened text is what I found to be overly dramatic and indicative of inexperience regarding balcony grilling. Billowing smoke? Give me a break.

What's more is that there has been plenty of evidence provided by people in the know supporting my position, whereas you are all alone trying to defend yours. Experience and knowledge trumps your emotional ranting.

Balcony grilling is only an issue to people who a) have never experienced it or b) choose to make it an issue (i.e., generally miserable people who aren't happy unless they're complaining about something). I'll take a wild guess as to which category you fall into.

Haha,

Well this is where I get back to what I said in the VERY beginning. "flame bait". You cannot accept a differing opinion. As such anything will quickly degenerate into a personal attack. Spare everyone the "Experience and knowledge trumps your emotional ranting" rhetoric. You have no idea what anyone else's experience is on here. Miserable...far from it. I enjoy a good argument, but you're trolling, nothing else.

[ac888yow]

Spare everyone the "Experience and knowledge trumps your emotional ranting" rhetoric. You have no idea what anyone else's experience is on here.Really?

It seems to me that unless you've actually experienced what it's like it's easier to get ideas in your mind than to actually live with it. I lived in a Domicile condo where just about every owner got the balcony gas line for a BBQ and many availed themselves of the advantage during the summer. I can honestly say, maybe because there was enough distance between the balconies, that whatever faint smell there was, we barely noticed, and it was pretty appetizing anyway - made us want to BBQ ourselves. Unless you have a total incompetent over-roasting their meat, or an accident, I didn't find it to be much of a presence, olfactory or otherwise.

I had a BBQ on my balcony in Sherbrooke, was the best thing ever. I rarely see people on their balconies in highrises, BBQs add life, because you need to be outside, and it smells good.

I never heard a complaint about a BBQ.

You can add those to my own personal experience on this topic, which I touched upon a few posts ago.

So I guess on top of your limited comprehension abilities, inability to formulate a cohesive argument, and general ranting and raving, we can add to the list illiteracy.

Next time you try to argue with someone, try to come better prepared.

Now run along ...

[YOWetal]

Really?





You can add those to my own personal experience on this topic, which I touched upon a few posts ago.

So I guess on top of your limited comprehension abilities, inability to formulate a cohesive argument, and general ranting and raving, we can add to the list illiteracy.

Next time you try to argue with someone, try to come better prepared.

Now run along ...

We have gotten way off topic here but, I have lived in 4 condos in Ottawa, have always been annoyed I couldn't use a BBQ on my balcony, in 3 buildings I had a common BBQ and in all three cases someone has complained about the noise, smoke, light etc coming from there. Not sure which point of view that supports. From my perspective it shows people like to complain. In fact I was once BBQing in the communal spot soon after it opened (many months after interim occupancies began) and someone called the fire department because of the smoke. Clearly passive aggressive, as nothing was burning and it clearly smelled like food if anything.

As for buying and knowing the rules so tough etc. Rules in condos are made to be changed. And can change in either direction. In a younger building like the Mondrian there might just be a chance to sway the rules towards reasonableness.

[jcollins]

Is this just an issue in condos? I know a lot of rental properties do not allow them on balconies at all.

[333fun555]

Next time you try to argue with someone, try to come better prepared.

:D :haha: :D

I like BBQ. I don't mind having or not having it on the balconies. I had natural gas line but no BBQ because I didn't want huge black or silver BBQ in front of my huge windows, covering the view. Choose what ever you like, or go along with whatever you have in your building.
LIFE IS TO SHORT so HAVE FUN ;) :cheers: ;)

[Rocky1687]

So I guess on top of your limited comprehension abilities, inability to formulate a cohesive argument, and general ranting and raving, we can add to the list illiteracy.



Name calling next? Please continue to troll though...I enjoy seeing how far the baiting goes :tup: .

[ac888yow]

Of course you have nothing left to argue so you resort to your silly trolling argument. I can't help but wonder if you've even bothered to read anything anyone else has written in here amidst your emotional ranting.

Listen, I can tell you're a sensitive fellow but there's really no need to get emotional about any of this. I don't know you nor am I engaging in baseless name calling ... I'm just making observations based on the silliness of your tens of posts.

Anyway, I could continue playing with you indefinitely because it's quite entertaining but I think it's best we let this thread get back on track. It's up to you.

From my perspective it shows people like to complain.Exactly. There are many people who aren't happy unless they're miserable about something.

While condo popularity has seen a surge over the last 5-10 years it remains a relatively unpopular housing option overall, especially compared to suburban cookie-cutter homes. I'd be willing to bet that the restrictiveness of condo living, whether actual or perceived, has a large part to do with that, and I think we would see an even larger increase in condo popularity if only the rules were relaxed a bit. As you said, bring them toward reasonableness ...

[osbort]

Of course you have nothing left to argue so you resort to your silly trolling argument. I can't help but wonder if you've even bothered to read anything anyone else has written in here amidst your emotional ranting.

Listen, I can tell you're a sensitive fellow but there's really no need to get emotional about any of this. I don't know you nor am I engaging in baseless name calling ... I'm just making observations based on the silliness of your tens of posts.

Anyway, I could continue playing with you indefinitely because it's quite entertaining but I think it's best we let this thread get back on track. It's up to you.

Exactly. There are many people who aren't happy unless they're miserable about something.

While condo popularity has seen a surge over the last 5-10 years it remains a relatively unpopular housing option overall, especially compared to suburban cookie-cutter homes. I'd be willing to bet that the restrictiveness of condo living, whether actual or perceived, has a large part to do with that, and I think we would see an even larger increase in condo popularity if only the rules were relaxed a bit. As you said, bring them toward reasonableness ...

I support you. The no barbeque thing is ridiculous. Who doesn't like the smell of a barbeque? If you don't like the little bit of smoke that may blow into your condo when the wind is blowing a certain way, you can close your window for ten minutes.

[Cre47]

Pretty good shot from the Alexandra Bridge of that building filling a space beside the Sun Life building - sorry no camera shots.

[YOWetal]

I support you. The no barbeque thing is ridiculous. Who doesn't like the smell of a barbeque? If you don't like the little bit of smoke that may blow into your condo when the wind is blowing a certain way, you can close your window for ten minutes.

Yes, and the thing people don't realize until they move in is how loud it will be even 15 floors up, and as a result how infrequently they will have their windows open.

Mondrian might be a little quieter, but when I lived on a higher floor in the East Market facing Rideau, it was so loud with the windows open that I almost never had them open. To the surprise of many, I think there is really very little difference in noise level compared to a lower floor. Somewhat back on topic it is hard to predict whether south facing (totally exposed to Bank St) or North facing (protected by the tall buildings on Laurier but facing the transitway) will be noisier. Not to sound obsessed with noise but it was one factor when comparing South vs North in Mondrian.

[Radster]

As for buying and knowing the rules so tough etc. Rules in condos are made to be changed. And can change in either direction. In a younger building like the Mondrian there might just be a chance to sway the rules towards reasonableness.

I live in a brand new condo in Hull, and when I moved in, the rules stated that we were not allowed BBQs on the balconies. Now this is not a highrise, it is a 3 storey building, 6 units in each building, and we have 2 buildings in our condo association. Last year, during one of our meetings, we voted to change a bunch of the rules, including the no BBQ rule. One of the owners was a firefighter, and he confirmed to us the city rules and regulations with regards to BBQs on balconies, so contrary to what most people assumed, he reassured us that we would not be breaking any bylaws by allowing BBQs on our balconies, and this resulted in us voting in favour of allowing BBQs on the balconies. Now we are only 12 owners, so it was easy. In a highrise like the Mondrian, it would be a way more difficult task to get a favourable vote given the big amount of owners, but it could be done. However, not having a gas line on each balcony could definitely hinder the chances of this happening. I didn't know about Domicile's buildings having gas lines on each balcony, thats awesome, they are definitely ahead of the game in that regard in Ottawa.

[O-Town Hockey]

Yes, and the thing people don't realize until they move in is how loud it will be even 15 floors up, and as a result how infrequently they will have their windows open.

Mondrian might be a little quieter, but when I lived on a higher floor in the East Market facing Rideau, it was so loud with the windows open that I almost never had them open. To the surprise of many, I think there is really very little difference in noise level compared to a lower floor. Somewhat back on topic it is hard to predict whether south facing (totally exposed to Bank St) or North facing (protected by the tall buildings on Laurier but facing the transitway) will be noisier. Not to sound obsessed with noise but it was one factor when comparing South vs North in Mondrian.

It was actually one of the major things I considered when choosing a unit. We chose South for many reasons, one being that we thought it would be quieter. The reasoning being that the tunnel effect along Laurier, as well as faster traffic I thought would create more echo and likely more noise. The units facing South are all offset from Bank St by at least 25 feet (my unit) and I think will be much quieter. Nonetheless, that area of Centretown has a lot of traffic during the day but quiets down 7 or 8 pm so, in general, won't be too noisy due to traffic.