[phrenic]

Condo development under construction on the corner of Barrington and Cornwallis.

http://www.polycorp.ca/spice/

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Construction photos (Oct 28)

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[Jonovision]

I like the form of the development a lot. It adds some nice density to the area. Still not sure how good its gonna look when finished, but we can always hope. It reminds of much going up in places like the netherlands.

Those windows must have just been put in in the last few days. I looking forward to seeing how the cladding will work on this building.

[hfx_chris]

Not particularly fond of the colours...

[worldlyhaligonian]

Yeah, I actually live in Amsterdam right now and I have seen some projects similar to these. I think its another example of how european Halifax is. At least its unique.

[phrenic]

Despite the possible colour choices, it is my favorite of the condo developments in HRM. Of course, It could be twice as tall...

[Keith P.]

It seems that it is being built by five guys named Moe. I have never seen a development proceed so slowly. If they ever get it finished it looks like it won't be bad though the colors look odd and the location is unfortunate (on the busiest street in the city across from a sewage treatment plant). I just have doubts it will be completed in my lifetime at the rate they are going.

[skyscraper_1]

Despite the possible colour choices, it is my favorite of the condo developments in HRM. Of course, It could be twice as tall...

They are a unique design. I wish they where either a bit taller Or they had more of them continuing down Barrington to give them more presence in the area. This area of Barrington really poorly done and messy, which is a shame because it could be a very vibrant part of town. What is that really low building on the habourside of Barrington? It is so bad a condo could not be built over top. Once the Cogswell is gone and some new offices are built (20-35 floors would be ideal) then the view from North Barrington southward would be impressive to say the least.

[someone123]

I'm not a huge fan of the design but it could turn out to be fine. It's hard to tell from the renderings.

I seem to remember some talk of putting things on top of the sewage treatment plants when it was first proposed. No idea if they actually built the base of it so that it could support a taller building on top. I also remembered some kind of $1M "community fund" for integrating the building into the area (one suggestion was tennis courts or something, which shows you how visionary HRM council is.. maybe we could even put a bench and, if the city is really ambitious, a garbage can on the corner).

[Halifax Hillbilly]

I like the overall design of Spice, but did they need to leave a blank wall along the entire bottom floor? I know this area isn't a pedestrian paradise but twenty years from now this could be one of the few blank walls along an otherwise nice streetscape.

I think the height's fine. Lots of new units in that area with the Brickyard. Mid-rise density is fine by me.

[Jonovision]

Here's a pic I took on the ferry the other day. It shows a view of Spice from the harbour.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/jonovision/P1010051.jpg?t=1195696615

[phrenic]

I have never seen a development proceed so slowly.

Is anything happening there? It looks almost exactly the same as it did months ago.

[Jonovision]

There has been some activity. They've been working on the roof, they've finished installing all the windows and have almost finished adding that insulation paper to the building. Hopefully the actual cladding will come soon.

[Spitfire75]

This has to be the slowest project I've ever seen.
I noticed a few signs for an open house last weekend (5th-6th) though.

[Seely32]

I dont mind the colors of this building some may see as tacky I see it as the maratimes.

[Jonovision]

I just noticed something. In the renderings it appears as though there are blaconies all over the place. But when I look at the windows they've installed, non of them have doors in them? So how would anyone get out onto their balconies once they're built?!

[Keith P.]

I just noticed something. In the renderings it appears as though there are blaconies all over the place. But when I look at the windows they've installed, non of them have doors in them? So how would anyone get out onto their balconies once they're built?!

Oooops... ;)

I have no idea of how to reconcile that.

Here's a tribute to the guys developing this thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtJZLxNI6E0

[Jonovision]

^^^ What?!

[Helladog]

I just noticed something. In the renderings it appears as though there are blaconies all over the place. But when I look at the windows they've installed, non of them have doors in them? So how would anyone get out onto their balconies once they're built?!

Looks as if the balconies are located in the coves...doors aren't in place there yet...

[Keith P.]

I happened to drive by there today and there are indeed patio doors in place in the "coves". No balcony platforms yet though. Probably will be installed sometime in the next 48-60 months...

[terrynorthend]

I happened to drive by there today and there are indeed patio doors in place in the "coves". No balcony platforms yet though. Probably will be installed sometime in the next 48-60 months...

48-60 months..

LMAO!!:banana:

[Keith P.]

Huge progress today!! I saw 3 guys (all named Moe no doubt) on a scissor lift installing a window when I drove into town at 8:30 this morning. By 11AM they were gone...

[Jonovision]

WOW! except when i took the bus into town at 4pm Moe's were working on a window? maybe they just had to take a lunch break :P

[Keith P.]

Holy Cats!! Today when I drove past the place I noticed a small section of siding that the Moes had somehow managed to install on a section of the south wall of the building! It is very strange-looking stuff too, reminded me of those old asbestos shingles one sees on WWII housing, except this was siding, not shingles, and was a brilliant lime green color.

Hope the color doesn't fade by the time they finish this place.

[someone456]

Holy Cats!! Today when I drove past the place I noticed a small section of siding that the Moes had somehow managed to install on a section of the south wall of the building! It is very strange-looking stuff too, reminded me of those old asbestos shingles one sees on WWII housing, except this was siding, not shingles, and was a brilliant lime green color.

Hope the color doesn't fade by the time they finish this place.

I realize these guys are slow in their building, however I like their finished products. I doubt the housing developments at Mont Blanc and Ravenscraig have a peer anywhere in Atlantic Canada. Beautiful detailing! They do need a bit of help in speeding up multi-storey construction.

[Keith P.]

Huge progress to report!!! The 5 Moes have actually been able to apply siding to almost the entire north side of the place! Unlike the bilious green on part of the south wall, this side is a dark red. At this rate they should be finished no later than 2010.

[worldlyhaligonian]

The website: http://www.polycorp.ca/spice/

now has a 3-D rendering video that shows the development.

[Keith P.]

I like to give this development a hard time because of the slowness of construction, but in truth I really like the concept and the design. The floor plans look good for the price range and if I wanted to live downtown that would be a top contender.

[Keith P.]

Takeo mentioned the concrete board siding they are using on this development. While it is still proceeding at a ridiculously slow rate -- I wonder how many deposits they are being forced to give back because of the uncertain occupancy date -- the 5 Moes doing the work have managed to get partial sections of the exterior clad. Some appears to be in the shape of very wide clapboard, while others are flat panels separated by aluminum strips.

The stuff looks awful right now. I don't know if it just needs cleaning or if the finish has been damaged or faded, but it does not look promising for the long term. I really am starting to wonder if the developers know what they are doing.

[Dmajackson]

I couldn't hellp but notice that people are living in this building! There are lights on at night there are posters up on the walls it amazing they want to live in this semi-done building. I guess they don't have to worry much about the noise of construction the Moe's only work for three hours a day (if that) and not everyday either.

I'm still reserving judgement on this but so far it looks unique and somewhat beutiful.

[Jonovision]

WHAT?! Really? It must be the back units. Cause the front is still a mess. how very odd.

[terrynorthend]

I noticed on Sunday some sandwich boards in the neighbourhood advertising a model suite. Perhaps that is why it looks "lived-in".

[someone123]

Recent photo from Flickr (taken by m.d.h. - http://www.flickr.com/photos/8362246@N07/) that shows some of the cladding being put up:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/2718651090_03e26ef95a_b.jpg

You can also see Armoury Square and some new townhouses.

[sdm]

i am sorry but this has to be the slowest development known; i think they built Rome faster then this.

The cladding, as cool as it may be is not consistent and looks very cheap to be honest.

[xxFamilyGuyxx]

Wow, that seriously looks like something you would find in St John's.

[Empire]

Spice has a few problems. It has now been under construction for a year and half. The design and concept is marginal if high quality materials were to be used. The issue is plastic looking chipboard is not attractive and because they are so slow all of the cheap panels are scared and faded. I doesn't seem as though this cheap stuff will be liking a coat of paint either. In addition the badly planned ugly sewage treatment plant emits a continuous stench, much to "everyones" surprise. Perhaps after mayor Kelly goes for a swim in the harbour he can sit in a lawn chair on top of the stench factory on a hot summer day for a few hours.

[sdm]

Spice has a few problems. It has now been under construction for a year and half. The design and concept is marginal if high quality materials were to be used. The issue is plastic looking chipboard is not attractive and because they are so slow all of the cheap panels are scared and faded. I doesn't seem as though this cheap stuff will be liking a coat of paint either. In addition the badly planned ugly sewage treatment plant emits a continuous stench, much to "everyones" surprise. Perhaps after mayor Kelly goes for a swim in the harbour he can sit in a lawn chair on top of the stench factory on a hot summer day for a few hours.

You sure its only been 1.5 years, seems a hell of a lot longer. Mind you they are probably 75% completed to date, so another 6 months will make it a timely development considering the relatively small size.

And i concur, the panels are not looking like quality materials. A shame really, i had high hopes for the development.

[terrynorthend]

I guess our first clue should have been that wingey-looking crane they put on the site..:jester:

[someone123]

In addition the badly planned ugly sewage treatment plant emits a continuous stench, much to "everyones" surprise. Perhaps after mayor Kelly goes for a swim in the harbour he can sit in a lawn chair on top of the stench factory on a hot summer day for a few hours.

Yeah, that was obviously a horrendous choice of location. I guess it was the cheapest option and the suburban councillors didn't care.

[Takeo]

I walk by there every day on my way to work. It does not continuously stink. In fact... it rarely stinks in my experience. I read in the paper that when it DOES stink... it's due to environmental factors (i.e... lots of rain) that makes the sink actually come up from the manholes before the stuff has even made it into the plant. The plant has negative air pressure... so is should actually be impossible for the inside air to escape.

As for Spice... that cladding looks horrendous and cheap.

[hfx_chris]

As for Spice... that cladding looks horrendous and cheap.
Agreed. This was my biggest fear, right from the time I first saw the renderings... my fears have come true.

[Keith P.]

I couldn't hellp but notice that people are living in this building! There are lights on at night there are posters up on the walls it amazing they want to live in this semi-done building. I guess they don't have to worry much about the noise of construction the Moe's only work for three hours a day (if that) and not everyday either.

I'm still reserving judgement on this but so far it looks unique and somewhat beutiful.


I drove by there tonight and with the lights on inside you can see there is one suite on the 3rd floor at the corner of Cornwallis that is finished or nearly so. Maybe the Moes live there to save on rent.

The red cladding looks bad, the other colors less so. The red stuff seems to be all scuffed and faded.

Edited to add: The crane went up in July, 2006, so it has been under construction for well over 2 years.

[worldlyhaligonian]

Who wants to bet they won't be done by the end of the summer?

[Takeo]

Who wants to bet they won't be done by the end of the summer?

I'll bet they won't be done by the new year.

[Keith P.]

I drove past Spice tonight and I wonder if the Moes are abandoning that goofy siding. In the balcony bays they are using what looks like either beige vinyl siding or clapboard, possibly Hardiplank. On the walls on the Barrington side in certain sections is vertically-corrugated paneling of some sort, maybe metal, maybe not. It all looks very strange now.

[Takeo]

I drove past Spice tonight and I wonder if the Moes are abandoning that goofy siding. In the balcony bays they are using what looks like either beige vinyl siding or clapboard, possibly Hardiplank. On the walls on the Barrington side in certain sections is vertically-corrugated paneling of some sort, maybe metal, maybe not. It all looks very strange now.

As I recall from the renderings... those sections were always supposed to be beige.

Also... someone recently posted that this must be the slowest construction project of all time. No way. That honor definitely goes to the Glubes Loft Townhouses on Cornwallis Street. That's been under construction since before Spice was even a glimmer in the developers eye.

http://www.glubeslofttownhouses.com/

[Dmajackson]

I also noticed the beige colour this week. Maybe we should start calling this the "rainbow building"? Of course that implies that it is beautiful, which IMO it is not.

[hfx_chris]

This building just keeps getting uglier and uglier every time...

[Dmajackson]

So once again I am lead to believe people ARE living in this building. I was talking to someone today who is already moved into the building. The bought their condo for $150'000 pre-construction (~$200'000 now) with an additional charge of $10'000 for a parking spot.

They've named each room a different type of spice (thyme, cinnamon, orengeno, ect).

[spaustin]

I also saw people coming out of it yesterday that looked like they were living there. Not everyone is in. A friend of mine has a friend who bought in the building and the report there is that he was suppose to move in February. He let his apartment go and has spent the last several months living at home waiting for them to hurry up and finish! Just another story that reminds me of my vow not to buy into new condos.

[Jonovision]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/jonovision/IMG_1619.jpg?t=1220120972

[someone123]

Here's a flickr photo (from baseman79) that shows this development:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3117/2870847173_4fbe370cae_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/bfoto/2870847173/sizes/l/

[Keith P.]

It is still proceeding at a glacier-like pace. There were several lifts and cranes there this week to assist with the exterior siding which still looks like crap. I would not expect it to be close to finished for at least another 6 months at this rate.

[Wishblade]

With the slow rate of which this is getting built, I wonder what kind of effect the elements have had on it in this time? If I were a buyer, I certainly would not trust it.

[Spitfire75]

I know it's a bit late in the game now, but this building should have been 2-3 times taller.

Does anyone know how long this construction has been going on? It's been over 2 years hasn't it?

[Keith P.]

The crane went up in July, 2006, so it has been well over 2 years.

[jasonashhh]

It doesnt look like its moving..

[Jonovision]

This one has picked up, its moving quite nicely now. They have added almost all the remaining facade and balconies.

[Takeo]

By the way, the lower horizontal red panels have been painted black. Looks much better. I still think there are one (or two) too many colours going on though. And they won't be able to paint the rectangular red panels because they are surrounded by those aluminum trim pieces.

[macgregor]

I heard though my friend that the unit owners were given the choice of having their deposits back and giving up their units because the construction was taking so long. I was also in to this sales office in the summer, where the agent confirmed that and said the delay was due to troubles finding workers (makes you wonder if they pay the moes a decent wage). At that time, some of the units were occupied while others had no finishing whatsoever (since they were focusing on completing the owned units). I was into one unfinished unit where I found rust inside an electric outlet box. Was the wiring completed before the windows were in? I was not impressed.
While new condos like this and the Waterton, and others have been delayed due to labour issues, I believe that others like Gladstone Ridge and Armoury Square were completed on schedule. I would be concerned about buying a new condo because of this, but I would just look to buy from a developer that consistently builds "right" and on time. Though honestly I thought briefly about buying a place in Spice, and never imagined or got the impression that the building would be so late.

[Jonovision]

It appears that a good percentage of the building is occupied now. I've seen cars coming in and out of the garage and last night over half the windows had lights on.

[Keith P.]

I drove past Spice today for the first time in a couple of weeks and they are still putting cladding up on the exterior. The place remains looking like it's about 90% finished, as it has for the last few months. I didn't get an opportunity to take a closer look as I was moving in traffic, but I don't recall seeing the damaged red siding -- I wonder if they did something about it.

[Dmajackson]

I was by this today and overall it looks nice. Between this the nearby church, and Ocean Towers its a very "colourful" neighbourhood.

The only complaint is the lack of anything on the ground floor. It's just a black "dead" wall which is very unattractive and if the Cogswell is ever torn down and the downtown extends up there it'll bring the area down a lot.

[Jonovision]

I bet if that were to happen they could always redesign the bottom floor for a bit of retail.

[Keith P.]

I bet if that were to happen they could always redesign the bottom floor for a bit of retail.

Yeah, that would be a quickie fix... probably only take these guys 20 years or so to do it. ;)

[someone123]

Yeah, that would be a quickie fix... probably only take these guys 20 years or so to do it. ;)

If they start now the timing could work out.

[Dmajackson]

How long has this been going up anyways? can't even remember the time without some form of this building there let alone what was the before it.

[someone123]

I have not personally seen the finished product but I stumbled across this photo by hotcommodity on flickr:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3453/3236772543_afd851c808.jpg
Source (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hotcommodity/3236772543/sizes/m/)

Hard to judge how it fits in with the area just from that but it looks better than I had imagined.

[Phalanx]

Looks like a reject from the 60s or 70s to me. O.o

[terrynorthend]

I like it. Looks Icelandic or Scandinavian.

[Dmajackson]

I think it looks good. I gives some change in colours on the otherwise dreary north-end Barrington Street.

Now if they'd only do something with the lot across from this. :tup:

[Empire]

If it didn't have 100% cheap materials it wouldn't be too bad.

[Barrington south]

hey, Empire!! what's up buddy?....good ta hear from ya! :)

[hfx_chris]

I don't like the design of the building, but I do like the colours.

[worldlyhaligonian]

From Randi yeates on Flickr.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3341/3452554811_042505c595_b.jpg

Best Pick I've seen of Spice to date.

[Keith P.]

Well, it's really more a pic of that church steeple. Spice really isn't the focus.

The place still looks unfinished, with bare plywood exposed at ground level, bare dirt with trash all around, etc. What a disaster of a development.

[Jonovision]

Well, it's really more a pic of that church steeple. Spice really isn't the focus.

The place still looks unfinished, with bare plywood exposed at ground level, bare dirt with trash all around, etc. What a disaster of a development.

That's because it still is unfinished. They still have all the landscaping to do. They are just taking it at their normal pace. lol

[Jonovision]

From my house.

http://inlinethumb24.webshots.com/12055/2766277040096709958S600x600Q85.jpg

[hfx_chris]

You're starting to remind me of some old guy who sits in his living room with a pair of binoculars :)

[Nilan8888]

I feel like prof seeing this going up to a student and saying:

"Given the bell curve of your fellow Halifax students, I would under normal circumstances give you a B-. But because all the other students turned in thier assignments LAST SCHOOL YEAR during the actual CLASS, you get a big fat F!"

[Jonovision]

You're starting to remind me of some old guy who sits in his living room with a pair of binoculars :)

Hahahahahahahahah! I can't help it. I wake up to this amazing view of a slowly changing city every morning. And I'm a planner, and love this city. I can't help but take notice of every little minute change in the view.

[DigitalNinja]

They have a small stone wall going up along the sidewalk to.

Also, the reason this progressed so slowly is because the guy paid everything with CASH no financing. As he got the money he paid to get something done.

[Dmajackson]

Photos by me today;

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3350/3663585045_28db12e2d7_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3604/3663586545_7e0f480845_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2555/3663587175_650d324af7_b.jpg

[DigitalNinja]

I think that this one looks nice now that it's done. It will go good with the Barrington and that other 7 story building that went up recently.

[Dmajackson]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3583/3663708449_8ce8984f67_b.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2558/3663878619_fb2cbba973_b.jpg

[hfx_chris]

It actually doesn't look as bad as I thought it would...I like the colours, too many drab monochrome buildings going up these days.

[Barrington south]

my agent\Friend said taking people into to see units is almost embarrassing and one couple commented that it reminded them of a collage dorm inside

[Keith P.]

Yeah, I'm glad I didn't buy there. Between the forever construction, the amateur contracting work, and the unfortunate location after the sewage plant exploded, I would have regretted the decision. And since the banner is still up, I take it that they either are still not sold out or that the guy in charge of taking down the banner is the same guy who was in charge of putting up the siding. :)

[Barrington south]

And since the banner is still up, I take it that they either are still not sold out or that the guy in charge of taking down the banner is the same guy who was in charge of putting up the siding. :)


I think you are right, they are not sold out....In fact on Page 38 of the coast in the top left hand corner of the page there is a small add asking?

why pay rent?

and then uses the selling point,
that the development is Eco-friendly. Funny, it doesn't actually mention the name spice anywhere
and the picture is a little hard to recognize,
due to the angle,
but it's defiantly Spice....there is a video tour at HEALTHFULHOMES.CA...."your green choice in real estate"

[Takeo]

Between the forever construction, the amateur contracting work, and the unfortunate location after the sewage plant exploded, I would have regretted the decision.

Holy Mackerel. I drove over the Cogswell Interchange the other day from Barrington to Upper Water and past the plant. I was headed north with my window down (open window facing away from the water)... and the smell was overwhelming. I mean seriously overwhelming. And that's zipping along at 60 K/hr. Unreal. I can't imagine what it must smell like standing still outside the entrance of the Casino. I've lived in Halifax most of my life and it's never smelled anything like that. I imagine it's because all of the sewage now funnels down to the one outfall. What a disaster.

p.s. I looked at Spice too... back before they even started construction. It was an amazing deal for that location... so close to downtown. Like you, I'm glad I didn't end up there!!!

[Phalanx]

Eh, it gets pretty bad in summer even when the plant is running properly. When I was working at Scotia Square, the bus route I was on took me past the plant every day. The smell didn't go away until the other side of the interchange.

Right in the middle of our proposed business district. Yaaaaaay.

[Takeo]

Eh, it gets pretty bad in summer even when the plant is running properly. When I was working at Scotia Square, the bus route I was on took me past the plant every day. The smell didn't go away until the other side of the interchange.

Right in the middle of our proposed business district. Yaaaaaay.

I used to walk past the front of the plant every day on my way to work when it was operational last summer and I would rarely smell anything... or I would smell just a subtle smell coming up form the manhole covers. In fact... you'd sometimes smell that all over the entire downtown and south end. But I would often smell it when others would not. The smell that's present now is a whole other world. It's 100X worse. Unreal.

[spaustin]

I never noticed any smell when it was operating apart from the usual summer smell when you pass over a manhole cover, but that's present throughout the city. Now though that it's failed and there is just the one outfall.... well let's just say I don't envy smokers popping out at the Casino!

[Nilan8888]

It exploded/failed? You mean that brand new one in the ill-advised location that was getting put together around 2005-2007? So the city got HOW much work out of that thing before it failed?

OMG, what a FUBAR situation. All that money, and it's not working.

[Barrington south]

^ Nilan, check out the coast website,
and in the center of the page it say's hot summer guide,
under that it has a picture of a native person and a headline "include us in climate...."....scroll down and the very first article underneith that, writen by the regrettible Tim Bousque,
check it out...it is titled "Peter Kelly wears the sewage disaster"....he does a nice job at summing up the hole farce, and I guess the only time when me and Tim agree is when we are Kelly Bashing...it's worth reading

[DigitalNinja]

That sewage plant is nothing now compared to when you drive down the north end of barrington, before the mckay bridge, where they put that huge underground sewage tank in back in the 60's maybe? It reeks there on a bad day.

[Takeo]

That sewage plant is nothing now compared to when you drive down the north end of barrington, before the mckay bridge, where they put that huge underground sewage tank in back in the 60's maybe? It reeks there on a bad day.

Sorry... I know we're all way off topic... but where is that exactly? I live in the Hydrostone and regularly run down Novalea to Seaview Lookoff Park and back along Barrington and I've never noticed any smells along that route at least.

[hali_toones]

I'm not surprised you wouldn't notice it... its cleverly disguised as a house! Its the house brown with red trim on the bottom of Duffus on the left if your are facing the harbour. You can even see a steel crane rail poking out the back.

[Dmajackson]

I'm not surprised you wouldn't notice it... its cleverly disguised as a house! I believe its the red? one on the bottom of Duffus on the left if your are facing the harbour. You can even see a steel crane rail poking out the side.

Well they've certainly diguised this one better than the one at Barrington and Inglis (that thing is blatantly obvious).

I know when they were building the house a few years back it smelled to drive by especially in summer but I dont use the road much anymore so I dont know what its like anymore.

Its at the intersection with the blind corner/crest next to the public housing.

[Takeo]

I'm not surprised you wouldn't notice it... its cleverly disguised as a house! I believe its the red? one on the bottom of Duffus on the left if your are facing the harbour. You can even see a steel crane rail poking out the side.

Interesting. I run by there all the time on my little 5K jaunts. I'll look more closely next time (which would be tomorrow night actually).

[Waye Mason]

Based on the info in the Coast article it is not the retaining pools, tanks or buildings that stink so much as the adjacent CSOs, or Combine Sewage Overflows that are supposed to release the excess on a really rainy day. Now they are pumping unfiltered crud into the harbour.

It seems that the CSOs don't have super long pipes going out under the harbour (anymore), and there are just 9 outflows now, and they are all dumping closer to shore then the old "system" of pipes.