[highdensitysprawl]

Hey Bren, thanks for that - you're not the first to say this, I forgot to add them to my list (mind you, I wasn't trying to make a hit-parade of good and bad builders...). I often wonder how that kind of company can keep doing business that way time after time. One would theink they'd either learn how to get better or just lose business as word gets around. I guess the city is big enough that there's always new people to be duped, but it's still a shame. :hell:

One way to tell how a builder deals with prospective home owners etc, is to look at their team of consultants, lawyers, architects etc that they have work on their projects over time. If they are always changing that is not a good sign. To me, Richcraft, have gone through a lot of in house planners on their projects in the last 10-15 years.

DCR are notoriously unorganized compared to others......

I think you nailed it in terms of the good builders etc in town...that list also co-incides with some of the more expensive builders to go with on a per sqm basis.

[Bren]

Hey Harls,

We can really see some of the snow effect in the pictures today LOL!! Interesting shot of the Phase 2!

Thanks again!
Bren

[Bren]

One way to tell how a builder deals with prospective home owners etc, is to look at their team of consultants, lawyers, architects etc that they have work on their projects over time. If they are always changing that is not a good sign. To me, Richcraft, have gone through a lot of in house planners on their projects in the last 10-15 years.

DCR are notoriously unorganized compared to others......

I think you nailed it in terms of the good builders etc in town...that list also co-incides with some of the more expensive builders to go with on a per sqm basis.

Hey,
You seem to have done your research and homework :yes: I learned through the hardships of experience LOL...now it's on toe Charlesfort where I know it will be much better!!!

Ciao for now,
Bren

[highdensitysprawl]

Hey,
You seem to have done your research and homework :yes: I learned through the hardships of experience LOL...now it's on toe Charlesfort where I know it will be much better!!!

Ciao for now,
Bren

I'm in the consulting industry and have dealt with some of the builders listed here (good, bad and the ugly) and also consultants who have been through the grinder with some of the bad builders.

[Mille Sabords]

I'm in the consulting industry and have dealt with some of the builders listed here (good, bad and the ugly) and also consultants who have been through the grinder with some of the bad builders.

Thanks, that's an interesting angle from within the trenches of industry. Come to think of it, you're right about Richcraft going through planners like socks.

[highdensitysprawl]

Come to think of it, you're right about Richcraft going through planners like socks.

I can think of 6 or 7 since the mid 90's...most have gone on to better things
and one has founded his own building firm.

If you were to work at Richcraft you would want at least one degree of separation (i.e a screen protecting you) from the ultimate authority there.

[333fun555]

Check out the artist's concept and see how beautiful ART DECO is... this is what we can look forward to seeing in our new homes....or they may surprise us with something even more stunning, although would it be possible to outdo this superb vision? ;)


http://picasaweb.google.com/333fun555/HudsonPark?authkey=GTnhoVnex8k#

[333fun555]

;) You guys have such a nasty weather. I don't know if I want to move there :D

[Ottawade]

So in the following shot, do you think the North facing penthouse is lucky enough to get the full sunlight from the 2 floors of glass? It'd be such a waste to have half that amazing glass shining into the machine room...


http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3461/3233861731_c0de832bbc_b.jpg

[Bren]

;) You guys have such a nasty weather. I don't know if I want to move there :D

So I'm back to guessing where you live, you must live in Vancouver or Victoria, so am I right?

Bren

[Tor2Ott]

So in the following shot, do you think the North facing penthouse is lucky enough to get the full sunlight from the 2 floors of glass? It'd be such a waste to have half that amazing glass shining into the machine room...

No, all penthouse units have the same ceiling height as the other units on lower floors--9ft ceilings.

However, there is a large difference--all penthouse units have no bulkheads. They have pure straight 9ft height throughout. :tup: Plus there won't be a balcony above you blocking the sunlight. And of course, there is nobody on top of you, so you don't have to worry about having a tap-dancer above you.

[jeremy_haak]

So in the following shot, do you think the North facing penthouse is lucky enough to get the full sunlight from the 2 floors of glass? It'd be such a waste to have half that amazing glass shining into the machine room...

Well, the fact that it's north-facing would certainly be a problem. ;)

[Momma T]

Check out the artist's concept and see how beautiful ART DECO is... this is what we can look forward to seeing in our new homes....or they may surprise us with something even more stunning, although would it be possible to outdo this superb vision? ;)


http://picasaweb.google.com/333fun555/HudsonPark?authkey=GTnhoVnex8k#

Fun,
I love your attitude. I don't know how things will work out but I do know that a positive frame of mind will meet all obsticles head on . Keep smiling!

Momma T

[333fun555]

Fun,
I love your attitude. I don't know how things will work out but I do know that a positive frame of mind will meet all obstacles head on . Keep smiling!
Momma T

Thanks Momma T, that's the plan :D I am so looking forward to meet all of you and start enjoying our beautiful place :yes:

[333fun555]

Well, the fact that it's north-facing would certainly be a problem. ;)

Not really. I enjoy my north side the most. My blinds are not down all the time like on the south side so I actually enjoy the view :D. I have chosen the north side because of my painting and that was the best decision. Another good thing about the north; you don't use much AC ;)

[333fun555]

So I'm back to guessing where you live, you must live in Vancouver or Victoria, so am I right?

Bren

;) :shrug: ;)

[333fun555]

And of course, there is nobody on top of you, so you don't have to worry about having a tap-dancer above you.

Hey, what about ROOFTOP TERRACE :???:

My friend bought the top floor for the same reason and after a while got a nerves breakdown and had to sell it. She just couldn't stand the noise from the pumps, cooling tower and other machines on the roof. Let's hope that our builder will do better job........:yes:

[333fun555]

One way to tell how a builder deals with prospective home owners etc, is to look at their team of consultants, lawyers, architects etc that they have work on their projects over time. If they are always changing that is not a good sign. To me, Richcraft, have gone through a lot of in house planners on their projects in the last 10-15 years.

DCR are notoriously unorganized compared to others......

I think you nailed it in terms of the good builders etc in town...that list also co-incides with some of the more expensive builders to go with on a per sqm basis.


You got that right bro.............:cheers:

[Tor2Ott]

Not really. I enjoy my north side the most. My blinds are not down all the time like on the south side so I actually enjoy the view :D. I have chosen the north side because of my painting and that was the best decision. Another good thing about the north; you don't use much AC ;)

A friend of mine bought a north-facing unit in a Claridge building just one block south of HP. She said can't raise any plants due to lack of sunlight. Of course in downtown Ottawa, you could see the the Parliament building if you're high enough.

For other exposures:
East: nice sunrise (but early in the morning); flooded with light in AM
West: beautiful sunsets; flooded with light in PM
South: flooded with light 12 hours/day; but no sunrise or sunsets

[Tor2Ott]

Hey, what about ROOFTOP TERRACE :???:

My friend bought the top floor for the same reason and after a while got a nerves breakdown and had to sell it. She just couldn't stand the noise from the pumps, cooling tower and other machines on the roof. Let's hope that our builder will do better job........:yes:

Charlesfort has noise-insulated all penthouse ceilings. I know that because I had to pay extra to noise-insulate my 18 potlight boxes.

For myself, the mechanicals are not directly above me, so that shouldn't be a problem. The mechanicals will most affect (if any) those whose live right under the "pinnacle" roof.

[333fun555]

Charlesfort has noise-insulated all penthouse ceilings.

That is a good news. The top floors are usually suffering either from noise or leaks, but seems like HP took care of that :tup:

[Tor2Ott]

That is a good news. The top floors are usually suffering either from noise or leaks, but seems like HP took care of that :tup:

They better! We had to pay a $10K-30K premium to go from second-last floor to the penthouse!!!!!!

[333fun555]

A friend of mine bought a north-facing unit in a Claridge building just one block south of HP. She said can't raise any plants due to lack of sunlight. Of course in downtown Ottawa, you could see the the Parliament building if you're high enough.

For other exposures:
East: nice sunrise (but early in the morning); flooded with light in AM
West: beautiful sunsets; flooded with light in PM
South: flooded with light 12 hours/day; but no sunrise or sunsets

Luckily I have "East, West and North", but as I said earlier, I enjoy the North-facing side the most.

[Tor2Ott]

Luckily I have "East, West and North", but as I said earlier, I enjoy the North-facing side the most.

Ah, you're one of those bigshots that bought the large Chrsyler or New Yorker huh? :yes:

[333fun555]

They better! We had to pay a $10K-30K premium to go from second-last floor to the penthouse!!!!!!

That is a lot, almost a parking spot :uhh:

[333fun555]

Ah, you're one of those bigshots that bought the large Chrsyler or New Yorker huh? :yes:

I am talking about my place here. ;) In HP I am still not revealing my new address until I meet my neighbours :yes:

[Ottawade]

Well, the fact that it's north-facing would certainly be a problem. ;)

It's what I like to call street grid north. That space would make such an awesome evil lair... :whip:

[nicegirl]

Charlesfort has noise-insulated all penthouse ceilings. I know that because I had to pay extra to noise-insulate my 18 potlight boxes.

For myself, the mechanicals are not directly above me, so that shouldn't be a problem. The mechanicals will most affect (if any) those whose live right under the "pinnacle" roof.

I am happy to hear about the noise insulation as we also bought into the penthouse floor.

I am in the process of finalizing my upgrades and I couldn't believe the money they want for a pot light, today's price is $309 + 25% + GST. Ouch! I'm hoping that I can get some put in afterwards. Does anyone know if it's possible?

[nicegirl]

Hubby and I walked over to the HP site today and we were able to go inside the front entrance. There was a couple of guys working on putting up the artwork. It was upside down so I didn't get a good look at it. I could see that there were lights on the wall, I think I saw 3 going up the stairwell.

I also spoke with Charlesfort today and they mentioned that the model units will be open this weekend from 12-4. I can't wait.

[Tor2Ott]

I am happy to hear about the noise insulation as we also bought into the penthouse floor.

I am in the process of finalizing my upgrades and I couldn't believe the money they want for a pot light, today's price is $309 + 25% + GST. Ouch! I'm hoping that I can get some put in afterwards. Does anyone know if it's possible?

Are you sure that's the price? That sounds steep. Mine costs the following:

$163.33 (base price per potlight, no lightbulbs)
$40.83 (25% Admin Fee)
$45.00 (cost to insulate each potlight box)
_______
$249.16

With GST, it's $261.62. I chose not to include the lightbulbs, but I don't think they're 100 bucks each.

It's a good idea to put them in now; I think you need to tear down the ceiling should you want to put them in later.

[Tor2Ott]

Hubby and I walked over to the HP site today and we were able to go inside the front entrance. There was a couple of guys working on putting up the artwork. It was upside down so I didn't get a good look at it. I could see that there were lights on the wall, I think I saw 3 going up the stairwell.

I also spoke with Charlesfort today and they mentioned that the model units will be open this weekend from 12-4. I can't wait.

That's good news about the paintings and lights. How do they look? Art-deco-ey?

[Momma T]

I am happy to hear about the noise insulation as we also bought into the penthouse floor.

I am in the process of finalizing my upgrades and I couldn't believe the money they want for a pot light, today's price is $309 + 25% + GST. Ouch! I'm hoping that I can get some put in afterwards. Does anyone know if it's possible?

I don't know if it's possible but my son will have fixtures installed by his own electrician . I could ask.

Momma T

[333fun555]

Are you sure that's the price? That sounds steep. Mine costs the following:

$163.33 (base price per potlight, no lightbulbs)
$40.83 (25% Admin Fee)
$45.00 (cost to insulate each potlight box)
_______
$249.16

Why is Admin fee so high????????

[Tor2Ott]

Why is Admin fee so high????????

I know, it's insane. But that's what they charge. The admin fee is on top of any upgrades you have. Since you didn't know, I assume you didn't have any upgrades.

[333fun555]

Hubby and I walked over to the HP site today and we were able to go inside the front entrance. There was a couple of guys working on putting up the artwork. It was upside down so I didn't get a good look at it. I could see that there were lights on the wall, I think I saw 3 going up the stairwell.

I also spoke with Charlesfort today and they mentioned that the model units will be open this weekend from 12-4. I can't wait.

Did you hear this Harls????????? Here is a chance to get inside and take some photos ;)

[333fun555]

I know, it's insane. But that's what they charge. The admin fee is on top of any upgrades you have. Since you didn't know, I assume you didn't have any upgrades.

Actually I do, but not the lighting. I like dark ;) I just didn't pay anything yet.
Being in HP2, upper level, I still have some time, I think :dunno:

[333fun555]

I know, it's insane. But that's what they charge. The admin fee is on top of any upgrades you have. Since you didn't know, I assume you didn't have any upgrades.

Hey Tor, are you going to O-Town soon to check the Show Suite and the Lobby :???:

[Tor2Ott]

Hey Tor, are you going to O-Town soon to check the Show Suite and the Lobby :???:

I'd love to, but it's quite a trek these snowy days. I am hoping there will be nice pictures of them. :) Are you going to fly down yourself?

[333fun555]

I'd love to, but it's quite a trek these snowy days. I am hoping there will be nice pictures of them. :) Are you going to fly down yourself?

I wish. :( If I were in Toronto, the wild horses wouldn't stop me to go and check it out :uhh:

[333fun555]

I should plan a business trip to Ottawa. That would be really cool (and cold) :cool:

[Bren]

I'd love to, but it's quite a trek these snowy days. I am hoping there will be nice pictures of them. :) Are you going to fly down yourself?

Take the train, it nice and easy and then you'll see the place yourself and settle all your concerns!!! :yes:

Bren

[nicegirl]

I don't know if it's possible but my son will have fixtures installed by his own electrician . I could ask.

Momma T

Yes, I wish I could find out if an electrician is willing to attempt this afterwards. Charlesfort told me it would be difficult to do afterwards and more expensive. I know that the boxes for the pot lots are not small.

[nicegirl]

Actually I do, but not the lighting. I like dark ;) I just didn't pay anything yet.
Being in HP2, upper level, I still have some time, I think :dunno:

Does this mean that you have finalized your list of upgrades and they haven't asked for the money yet. They sent me the prices for everything that I requested about two weeks ago and I had some questions which they are working on. I figured as soon as I tell them what I want off the list they will ask for the cheque. Is that how it works?

[333fun555]

Does this mean that you have finalized your list of upgrades and they haven't asked for the money yet. They sent me the prices for everything that I requested about two weeks ago and I had some questions which they are working on. I figured as soon as I tell them what I want off the list they will ask for the cheque. Is that how it works?

Yes, we didn't finalized it yet, but we are pretty close and I cant wait to write the cheque ;) We are talking here about lot of money :D

[Bren]

I'd love to, but it's quite a trek these snowy days. I am hoping there will be nice pictures of them. :) Are you going to fly down yourself?

Hey Tor2Ott/ do you know where FUn lives and you're not sharing? I'm still trying to find out without any clues what so ever but the wy he talsk about cold I'm guessing BC so I doubt he would wnat to visit here in winter...:haha: Maybe there will be an article in the newspaper regarding the weekend showings...you just never know :yes:

Bren

[333fun555]

Hey Tor2Ott/ do you know where FUn lives and you're not sharing? I'm still trying to find out without any clues what so ever but the wy he talsk about cold I'm guessing BC so I doubt he would wnat to visit here in winter...:haha: Maybe there will be an article in the newspaper regarding the weekend showings...you just never know :yes:

Bren

;) :haha: ;)

[Tor2Ott]

Hey Tor2Ott/ do you know where FUn lives and you're not sharing? I'm still trying to find out without any clues what so ever but the wy he talsk about cold I'm guessing BC so I doubt he would wnat to visit here in winter...:haha: Maybe there will be an article in the newspaper regarding the weekend showings...you just never know :yes:

Bren

Sorry Brenda, no idea. I know it's somewhere between Manitoba and BC.

Any chance any of you will take some pix of the suite and lobby?

[333fun555]

I know that a few builders have checked out this forum... it must be a great additional asset to gauge interest in their projects (this thread alone has 25 thousand hits, Mondrian - 38 thousand, etc..).

2 weeks ago Harls wrote "this thread alone has 25 thousand hits, Mondrian - 38 thousand"
Today this thread has 33 thousand hits, Mondrian 40 thousand hits. Lot of hits for HP. I am personally grateful to Harls who started this thread and to all of those who are sharing their photos and experiences. :notacrook:

[Bren]

2 weeks ago Harls wrote "this thread alone has 25 thousand hits, Mondrian - 38 thousand"
Today this thread has 33 thousand hits, Mondrian 40 thousand hits. Lot of hits for HP. I am personally grateful to Harls who started this thread and to all of those who are sharing their photos and experiences. :notacrook:


Hey Fun and all

Thanks for the stats Fun, seems like HP is coming up to those of Mondrian? I'm thinking I should change my name to "Peaceful lady"? I don't mind sharing photo's as long as it does not cause a major uproar, I like peace! Charlesfort have been working on my drafts all week here while they have been prepping the lobby and I noticed this week, from Thursday night to Friday night, installed furniture, carpet, paintings & fake plants cause real ones would die like mine did :( HP sure are present and I appreciate it. I guess maybe because owners are hearing second hand news, and are not present to see how far HP has progressed and transitioned so it's hard for the forum to comprehend? It's going to be really special as all the Charlesfort properties are, I believe.

Harls is a great initiator yes! Kudo's Harls, I hope he makes it to take some nice interior pictures this weekend. I enjoy this forum, and I guess sometimes I'm sensitive to some harsher opinions, and that's me, so be it.

Ciao,
Bren /Peaceful Lady (too long)...so maybe I'll change it to "Peace" :)

[333fun555]

Hey Fun and all

Thanks for the stats Fun, seems like HP is coming up to those of Mondrian? I'm thinking I should change my name to "Peaceful lady"? I don't mind sharing photo's as long as it does not cause a major uproar, I like peace! Charlesfort have been working on my drafts all week here while they have been prepping the lobby and I noticed this week, from Thursday night to Friday night, installed furniture, carpet, paintings & fake plants cause real ones would die like mine did :( HP sure are present and I appreciate it. I guess maybe because owners are hearing second hand news, and are not present to see how far HP has progressed and transitioned so it's hard for the forum to comprehend? It's going to be really special as all the Charlesfort properties are, I believe.

Harls is a great initiator yes! Kudo's Harls, I hope he makes it to take some nice interior pictures this weekend. I enjoy this forum, and I guess sometimes I'm sensitive to some harsher opinions, and that's me, so be it.

Ciao,
Bren /Peaceful Lady (too long)...so maybe I'll change it to "Peace" :)

OK "Peace" but Bren is even shorter ;) It was sure nice having you "inside" and getting those pictures, :iagree: but if that is causing trouble for you I would rather wait until I get there and check it out myself. You are a great lady so we don't want to cause any trouble for you. Is it any warmer in your place??? :???:

[333fun555]

Any chance any of you will take some pix of the suite and lobby?

Maybe Nicegirl and her husband could take some photos. I don't see Harls coming from Quebec on weekend unless he goes for ride with his family, but why would he do that now, it is still Siberia over there. :naughty:

[Bren]

OK "Peace" but Bren is even shorter ;) It was sure nice having you "inside" and getting those pictures, :iagree: but if that is causing trouble for you I would rather wait until I get there and check it out myself. You are a great lady so we don't want to cause any trouble for you. Is it any warmer in your place??? :???:


Hi Fun,

Yes, it's warmer, they are still not totally done yet but they are working on my air leaks and they will continue to until it's all fixed. I don't like that people get all hot when it's not finished yet and I think some people have set unreasonable expectations, like having exact same everything as artist drawing, is an example.

I see everyone working together to make it the best, they are proud of their work. We have no idea what happens behind the scenes, when the buidler orders stuff and issues arise, due to unforseable challenges so there are delays and changes in the vision could happen. I think it was Fun who said at one time as he has experience buying many condo's that the builder will work with the owners and we all know Charlesfort have a great reputation, my experience with them has been very good and I expect it will continue to be so. There's no point in getting all excited prematurely it seems like a waste of energy and silly to me?

Anyway, all will come to fruition and I foresee a beauty of a project when all is said and done! Have a little more faith everyone...:banana:

Peace :cheers:

[333fun555]

Hi Fun,

Yes, it's warmer, they are still not totally done yet but they are working on my air leaks and they will continue to until it's all fixed. I don't like that people get all hot when it's not finished yet and I think some people have set unreasonable expectations, like having exact same everything as artist drawing, is an example.

I see everyone working together to make it the best, they are proud of their work. We have no idea what happens behind the scenes, when the buidler orders stuff and issues arise, due to unforseable challenges so there are delays and changes in the vision could happen. I think it was Fun who said at one time as he has experience buying many condo's that the builder will work with the owners and we all know Charlesfort have a great reputation, my experience with them has been very good and I expect it will continue to be so. There's no point in getting all excited prematurely it seems like a waste of energy and silly to me?

Anyway, all will come to fruition and I foresee a beauty of a project when all is said and done! Have a little more faith everyone...:banana:

Peace :cheers:


;) Let's drink to that :cheers:

[Bren]

Sorry Brenda, no idea. I know it's somewhere between Manitoba and BC.

Any chance any of you will take some pix of the suite and lobby?

Tor2Ott,

I'm not sure, last time pictures were posted, chemist and yourself reacted a little overboard in a negative way I feel, and nothing good to say? There has to be some balance here, in life there is positive and negative. I still suggest you come to Ottawa and see for yourself? The models will be here... :tup:

Bren

[Tor2Ott]

Tor2Ott,

I'm not sure, last time pictures were posted, chemist and yourself reacted a little overboard in a negative way I feel, and nothing good to say? There has to be some balance here, in life there is positive and negative. I still suggest you come to Ottawa and see for yourself? The models will be here... :tup:

Bren

Brenda;

I doubt that I will drive up to Ottawa just to see the building. Gas is getting expensive again. :) That's alright, whether or not to post pictures is up to you. If the purpose of picture posting is to just attract positive comments, then I wouldn't post them either.

Having lived in Ottawa for a few years, that's one of the differences I found between people in Ottawa and people in Toronto. Ottawa folks are generally nicer and kinder, but they are more easily satisfied and tend to let things go a bit easier. If HP were to be in Toronto, and they don't come close to what is shown in marketing materials, you'll hear it from the buyers for sure. Whether the buyers will win the case is another issue, but they will show Charlesfort how they feel about their false advertising. However looking at it the other way, that's the same reason why some people choose to settle and raise a family in Ottawa as opposed to Toronto.

[333fun555]

Having lived in Ottawa for a few years, that's one of the differences I found between people in Ottawa and people in Toronto. Ottawa folks are generally nicer and kinder

If that is the case, I am glad I chose Ottawa as my future home :)

[Bren]

Brenda;

I doubt that I will drive up to Ottawa just to see the building. Gas is getting expensive again. :) That's alright, whether or not to post pictures is up to you. If the purpose of picture posting is to just attract positive comments, then I wouldn't post them either.

Having lived in Ottawa for a few years, that's one of the differences I found between people in Ottawa and people in Toronto. Ottawa folks are generally nicer and kinder, but they are more easily satisfied and tend to let things go a bit easier. If HP were to be in Toronto, and they don't come close to what is shown in marketing materials, you'll hear it from the buyers for sure. Whether the buyers will win the case is another issue, but they will show Charlesfort how they feel about their false advertising. However looking at it the other way, that's the same reason why some people choose to settle and raise a family in Ottawa as opposed to Toronto.


Hey Tor2Ott,

I agree with what you say, the two cities have completely different attitudes. I still suggest you tell Charlesfort about your concerns, although you do not seem to want to do that, and I don't know why? I think the gas going up is a bizarre reason for not checking on your investment, although it's none of my business what you do or not do? I'm peaceful Brenda sitting here getting adjusting to my new abode, getting my things done, I just thought everyone as I would, would enjoy seeing pictures but I didn't expect so much negative and I don't want to be an instigator, so I had to re-think my actions.

Even though I like everything here doesn't mean everyone will, that's true, and everyone should make their comments but a little balance here. When was the last time you said something positive?

Went to visit the models Chrysler and Rockefeller and I think they are stunning and decorated beautifully!

Have a wonderful day!
Bren

[Tor2Ott]

Brenda;

I have sent an email to Doug Casey early in the week, I believe on the day you had second thoughts (check the Sent folder in the Gmail account), and (as expected) he has not yet responded. I say what I mean and I pursue strongly in what I believe in; rarely do I decide to do something and change my mind halfway. I consistently praised their work on the exterior (mostly from exterior shots from Harls, can't thank him enough). Interior-wise, I did say I like their elevators and the stone framing around them. Other than that, nothing else appears to be what it should be, so what sort of positive comments are you expected? I am happy to hear that some paintings and lights are going up however.

Some of you may feel that it's premature to do anything about it. My point has always been: sooner is better than later. When all tenants move in, all mortgages are finalized, and Charlesfort has received all their money, you think that they still care about what we have to say, more so than now?

I agree that Charlesfort is by far the best and reputable builder in Ottawa; their past projects are stunning. People say being #1 is tough, but staying at #1 is even tougher. So I hope that Charlesfort can justify their reputation of fine quality and design with HP. Regardless, Hudson Park is still beautiful and by far the best looking building in town. But would it hurt to try getting the most out of Charlesfort and HP? If Charlesfort is followng this forum, and all they see are positive comments, I would guess they must think everyone's satisfied, but are we?

[333fun555]

I picked up my keys to my unit today from the lawyers, and move in on the sixth floor next Tuesday.

Hey Woofer, have you settled in, or still too busy to give us some good news ;)

[333fun555]

This is my main point. Frankly, at this point, I do not care about color selection or no chairs in the lobby: they will be there eventually. What will not be there are the lobby decorations that already have been replaced (without any consultation with the buyers by the developer) by some other stuff like cheap-looking plain glass staircase...

Hey Chemist, have you contacted Charlesfort and voiced your concerns. I think they wouldn't mind hearing that and some of us already talked to them about things that we weren't happy with.

[333fun555]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3423/3213544746_9e293557ec_b.jpg

The Chevron roof detail is pretty snazzy.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3255/3212699493_eeb7d87470_b.jpg



We were not certain how the exterior will turn out, and we love it now. I am sure that they will wow us with the interior too, we just have to give them time to do their work. :)

[Bren]

Brenda;

I have sent an email to Doug Casey early in the week, I believe on the day you had second thoughts (check the Sent folder in the Gmail account), and (as expected) he has not yet responded. I say what I mean and I pursue strongly in what I believe in; rarely do I decide to do something and change my mind halfway. I consistently praised their work on the exterior (mostly from exterior shots from Harls, can't thank him enough). Interior-wise, I did say I like their elevators and the stone framing around them. Other than that, nothing else appears to be what it should be, so what sort of positive comments are you expected? I am happy to hear that some paintings and lights are going up however.

Some of you may feel that it's premature to do anything about it. My point has always been: sooner is better than later. When all tenants move in, all mortgages are finalized, and Charlesfort has received all their money, you think that they still care about what we have to say, more so than now?

I agree that Charlesfort is by far the best and reputable builder in Ottawa; their past projects are stunning. People say being #1 is tough, but staying at #1 is even tougher. So I hope that Charlesfort can justify their reputation of fine quality and design with HP. Regardless, Hudson Park is still beautiful and by far the best looking building in town. But would it hurt to try getting the most out of Charlesfort and HP? If Charlesfort is followng this forum, and all they see are positive comments, I would guess they must think everyone's satisfied, but are we?

Hey Tor,

Yes I did back off from writing to HP as they were not my comments, they were your comments and it did not feel good writing about things I was not feeling strongly about or even knowlegeable about?

Good for you, I'm happy you wrote Doug Casey about your concerns, I hope Charlesfort will get back to you shortly. I understand and accept your position, and you have a valid point, everyone has input of all sorts and yes you like the outside & that's great. Staying # 1 yes challenging, and I know they have checked this web site and they know some issue have been talked about, especially with the Art Deco theme of lobby and maybe missing the target? So let's give them a chance to finish up, and or correct? I still believe it is not a fait accomplit...

I do appreciate your point of view, as I'm sure everyone else does too. From my perspective, I feel sometimes writing takes a heavier look/feel than speaking to someone in person or on telephone. It's challenging to write an e-mail with the intention of a certain tone and sometimes I think it is misunderstood. Perhaps I misunderstood the tone in your writing, also. I feel confident your HP concerns will be addressed and I look forward to Charlesfort response as I feel certain that Mr. Casey or his staff will reply to you on your concerns as it is good business practice to do so.

It's all good,

Bren :cheers:

[Norman Bates]

Hi y'all. I've been lurking here for about a year now - he, he he - but just registered today.

Yesterday I went to see the models and spoke with some guy who I presumed was from Charlesfort. I was struck by his humility and humanity and for those reasons I continued to talk with him. During the ten minute conversation he didn't come across as anything more that just another guy. It was only when we parted that I asked for his card that I discovered that he was Doug Casey. He certainly didn't come across as a titan of high-priced real estate.

Perhaps of more interest to you all is that he told me that the glass on the stairwell would stay, but that it will be sandblasted with a shell motif matching the one on the exterior of the building.

He also mentioned that once the HP I & II were complete they would be going to another project about six blocks away. He described it as another large building also in the Art Deco style.

On the units, I was generally impressed and the views from the third floor appeared much better than I would have expected.

One thing that I found odd were that the doors were simple slab doors painted white. I'm no expert on Art Deco but I would have thought that the doors could have had a touch more character.

As well, I'm a bit of an art collector and there was precious little space for hanging artwork in either unit. At best wall space for one major piece. I've always lived in a house so perhaps this is something endemic to all high-rise buildings.

Norman Bates

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

Welcome Norman.

Your name sounds awfully familiar...

[Bren]

Hi y'all. I've been lurking here for about a year now - he, he he - but just registered today.

Yesterday I went to see the models and spoke with some guy who I presumed was from Charlesfort. I was struck by his humility and humanity and for this reason I continued to talk with him. During the ten minute conversation he didn't come across as anything more that just another guy. It was only when we parted that I asked for his card and discovered that he was Doug Casey. He certainly didn't come across as a titan of high-priced real estate.

Perhaps of more interest to you all is that he told me that the glass on the stairwell would stay, but that it will be sandblasted with a shell motif matching the one on the outside of the building.

He also mentioned that once the HP I & II were complete they would be going to another project about six blocks away. He described it as another large building also in the Art Deco style.

On the units, I was generally impressed and the views from the third floor appeared much better than I would have thought.

One thing that I found odd were that the doors were simple slab doors painted white. I'm no expert on Art Deco but I would have thought that the doors could have had a touch more character.

As well, I'm a bit of an art collector and there was precious little space for hanging artwork in either unit. At best wall space for one major piece. I've always lived in a house so perhaps this is something endemic to all high-rise buildings.

Norman Bates

Hey Norman,

If you are speaking of the main front doors, it is white plastic coating (like on new car hoods) to protect the doors while people move in and I gather they are not ready to take that off yet :)

The 2 bedrooms have lots of windows I noted, my 1 bedroom has one huge wall although I have 1 large panting so I'm not sure but I think it will be placed easily on the smaller wall.

Sounds like your visit was a good one! Glad to see you're not lurking and joining in...

Ciao,
Bren

[Norman Bates]

Welcome Norman.

Your name sounds awfully familiar...Yeah, my mother and I used to run a motel - but I'm out of that business now.

[Norman Bates]

Hey Norman,

If you are speaking of the main front doors, it is white plastic coating (like on new car hoods) to protect the doors while people move in and I gather they are not ready to take that off yet :)

The 2 bedrooms have lots of windows I noted, my 1 bedroom has one huge wall although I have 1 large panting so I'm not sure but I think it will be placed easily on the smaller wall.

Sounds like your visit was a good one! Glad to see you're not lurking and joining in...

Ciao,
BrenThanks for the welcome Bren.

On the doors I was thinking more of those on the inside, such as to the bedrooms, etc.

[Norman Bates]

I should also say that I was impressed with the speed and refinement of the elevator. It felt much more light-footed than those that I'm used to being in.

[chemist]

I was at HP1 for the open house to see for myself what's inside. Well, in the lobby, we do not have much yet... One thing that can be said for sure is that the elevator doors differ in their design from the initial proposal (see the pictures on the website). The same is for the staircase and the main lights... So, for those people that are still living in their "dream lands" thinking that the developers like to honor their commitments (read - their designs that they sell), my message is "You guys have another thing coming..."

This has nothing to do with "being negative" - one just have to look at things and see them how they are (as opposed to be overly-optimistic about everything and jump up and down for no reason; oh, hold on a second - maybe this is just for fitness? not out of joy? Then, I take my words back).

[chemist]

Having lived in Ottawa for a few years, that's one of the differences I found between people in Ottawa and people in Toronto. Ottawa folks are generally nicer and kinder.


Having lived in both Ottawa and Toronto for a few years, I found Toronto folks are generally smarter and have better taste in things! Ottawa used to be a town of lumberjacks. In 150 years after, with respect to city architecture, it remains such... Hopefully, projects like HP will get this city on the right track to be a decent looking place.

[333fun555]

Having lived in both Ottawa and Toronto for a few years, I found Toronto folks are generally smarter and have better taste in things! Ottawa used to be a town of lumberjacks. In 150 years after, with respect to city architecture, it remains such... Hopefully, projects like HP will get this city on the right track to be a decent looking place.

I have been in both cities many times, but when it comes to "where would you like to live" question, Toronto wouldn't even be on the list. :rolleyes:

[333fun555]

On the doors I was thinking more of those on the inside, such as to the bedrooms, etc.

I noticed that too, maybe we can ask for different doors ;)
Welcome Norman :)

[333fun555]

I was at HP1 for the open house to see for myself what's inside. Well, in the lobby, we do not have much yet... One thing that can be said for sure is that the elevator doors differ in their design from the initial proposal (see the pictures on the website). The same is for the staircase and the main lights... So, for those people that are still living in their "dream lands" thinking that the developers like to honor their commitments (read - their designs that they sell), my message is "You guys have another thing coming..."

This has nothing to do with "being negative" - one just have to look at things and see them how they are (as opposed to be overly-optimistic about everything and jump up and down for no reason; oh, hold on a second - maybe this is just for fitness? not out of joy? Then, I take my words back).

Glad you went to see it yourself, and jumping........ was for fitness. That's why we are in a good shape. ;)

[333fun555]

Welcome Norman.

Your name sounds awfully familiar...

For a young dude, dude you know too many people............;)

[Tor2Ott]

Hi y'all. I've been lurking here for about a year now - he, he he - but just registered today.

Yesterday I went to see the models and spoke with some guy who I presumed was from Charlesfort. I was struck by his humility and humanity and for those reasons I continued to talk with him. During the ten minute conversation he didn't come across as anything more that just another guy. It was only when we parted that I asked for his card that I discovered that he was Doug Casey. He certainly didn't come across as a titan of high-priced real estate.

Perhaps of more interest to you all is that he told me that the glass on the stairwell would stay, but that it will be sandblasted with a shell motif matching the one on the exterior of the building.

He also mentioned that once the HP I & II were complete they would be going to another project about six blocks away. He described it as another large building also in the Art Deco style.

On the units, I was generally impressed and the views from the third floor appeared much better than I would have expected.

One thing that I found odd were that the doors were simple slab doors painted white. I'm no expert on Art Deco but I would have thought that the doors could have had a touch more character.

As well, I'm a bit of an art collector and there was precious little space for hanging artwork in either unit. At best wall space for one major piece. I've always lived in a house so perhaps this is something endemic to all high-rise buildings.

Norman Bates

Hey Norman;

Welcome, and thanks for the info. Sandblasted glass isn't as good as iron, but beats clear glass anyday. The project DC mentioned is the one across from City Hall on Lisgar I believe. With that, The Continental, HP1 and HP2, there will be 4 art deco buildings in town. I hope that would be it.

[Jamaican-Phoenix]

For a young dude, dude you know too many people............;)

Hey, in the field I'll be working in, networking is key. ;)

Well now I know why his name sounded so familiar... :haha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Bates

[333fun555]

Hey, in the field I'll be working in, networking is key. ;)

Well now I know why his name sounded so familiar... :haha:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Bates

;) :haha: ;)

[Ottawade]

He also mentioned that once the HP I & II were complete they would be going to another project about six blocks away. He described it as another large building also in the Art Deco style.


:awesome: (Closest emoticon we have to a fist pump) A few factors kept me out of the Hudson projects as much as I wanted to get in on it. Although its kinda of a given that Charlesfort will continue to build, its wasn't a given that there would be projects in the Centertown neighborhoods anytime soon. It's great to hear that there will be as I love this part of the city!

[Ottawade]

Hey Norman;

Welcome, and thanks for the info. Sandblasted glass isn't as good as iron, but beats clear glass anyday. The project DC mentioned is the one across from City Hall on Lisgar I believe. With that, The Continental, HP1 and HP2, there will be 4 art deco buildings in town. I hope that would be it.

Don't forget there is also the Bank St. library project. It has some pretty big NIMBY hurdles to overcome, but from what I understand it hasn't been canceled in any way. No idea if they will necessarily stick with the deco motif either.

[waterloowarrior]

re: the bank street proposal, here's some info re: the presentation made to the community association last year

7. Library Developments – Caroline Vanneste
As the GCA representative on Friends of Sunnyside Library, Caroline invited Doug Casey of Charlesfort Developments to present his ideas about redevelopment of the Sunnyside Library
site.

The plan had been presented to the Ottawa South community association. Mr. Casey will be making a presentation to the City, but is proceeding with exposure to community associations to get people thinking.

His proposal suggests building a new library of an appropriate size, supported by 75-80 condo units above. The early concept drawing was presented. There would be no sun shadow or privacy issues to existing neighbours. The building would a stone product of a similar color to Southminster United Church. The building would be 13 stories , or about 140 feet (Lord Lansdowne is 12). The neighbouring College of Physicians is 5 taller stories, or about 80 feet.

Parking would be moved to the south end of the property. There would be 9-10 exterior spaces and 10-11 inside spots reserved for the library (currently 18 outdoor spaces). There would be 110 spots on 2 levels for condos. While the library would be part of a larger building, the City would still own the library (freehold).
Thanks were extended to Mr. Casey for his presentation to the GCA.

[333fun555]

One thing that I found odd were that the doors were simple slab doors painted white. I'm no expert on Art Deco but I would have thought that the doors could have had a touch more character.
Norman Bates

That happens when you buy condo before they even start digging, but if you wait to see the Show Suite, all the best condos with a good price are gone. When you look at these photos, the suites are stunning, but I couldn't see one single door, so how would you know how they look like. Hope it's not that bad :uhh:

[333fun555]

Looks like the Lounge will have different furniture ;)

http://picasaweb.google.ca/333fun555/HudsonParkLounge?authkey=SePkvIH1xNE#

[Momma T]

With her tongue firmly planted in cheek, she said,"Has anyonewho went to the Open House noticed there are more books in the Amenity Room than in Fun's picture selection?I guess Charlesfort will have to take some of those books out because the artist didn't get it quite right."

Momma T

[333fun555]

With her tongue firmly planted in cheek, she said,"Has anyone who went to the Open House noticed there are more books in the Amenity Room than in Fun's picture selection?I guess Charlesfort will have to take some of those books out because the artist didn't get it quite right."

Momma T

;) :haha: :haha: :haha: ;)

[333fun555]

With her tongue firmly planted in cheek, she said,"Has anyonewho went to the Open House noticed there are more books in the Amenity Room than in Fun's picture selection?I guess Charlesfort will have to take some of those books out because the artist didn't get it quite right."

Momma T

Are you saying that you went to Open House and didn't share your excitement with us :(
By the way, funny comment, can't stop laughing :haha: :haha: :haha:

[Norman Bates]

When you look at these photos, the suites are stunning, but I couldn't see one single door, so how would you know how they look like. Hope it's not that bad :uhh:

http://picasaweb.google.ca/333fun555/HudsonParkInteriors?authkey=VmCgPgoKE9s#
You may have missed this in my original post.

Yesterday I went to see the models...

[333fun555]

You may have missed this in my original post.

;) No I haven't missed what you said. I know you went to see it last Weekend, but when I was buying my place, all I could see were these pictures, and as I said, on the pictures I didn't see one single door, so I was just hoping it will be good. And that is a downsize of buying condo before they even start building. You make decision based on those pictures and later, hope for the best. That's why I went with Chharlesfort because I trust that they will do a good job. :yes:


http://picasaweb.google.ca/333fun555...y=VmCgPgoKE9s#

[Momma T]

Are you saying that you went to Open House and didn't share your excitement with us :(
By the way, funny comment, can't stop laughing :haha: :haha: :haha:

Hi Fun,
Happy to share. Myself, my adult son and his girlfriend visited the open units on Saturday. We all liked the building very much and felt that compared to many condos it is head and shoulders above most condominium buildings. I am an experienced condo dweller and will be happy to live there. (Of course, I haven't got to Park Avenue or a Trump Tower yet!)

One of the entrance doors had the plastic off and it was quite stunning. The lobby itself is very attractive and well decorated. We liked the black floor and the paint colours throughout. They are not at all garish as I think some people may have feared but are sophisticated and very cozy and comfortable. In other words, they counteracted a coldness one sees in many buildings. It did not bother me that the artist renderings were not followed exactly. That being said we felt the metalwork and glasswork in The Gardens (another Charlesfort building here in Ottawa )is much superior. The large paintings shown in pictures going up the stairs were placed on adjacent walls rather than behind the stairway. They are large and colorful but not to my personal taste. To me they looked rather like Egyptian Art but that is a personal opinion. We had differing opinions on lobby light fixtures but it is a common element area and they are positioned so as to showcase the lobby.

We didn't use the elevators but walked up to the Gym and Amenity Room. I liked the Gym very much and can't wait to use the equipment. The room is not one square area but instead shaped to give a little privacy. Equipment is plentiful and of good quality.

The Amenity Room also looks good . One pleasant surprise that we didn't expect is that there is access to the garden from there. That will be a big plus for many people depending on how the Board decides that room will be used. That room will likely be locked and we may have keys to enter it as happens in some other condos.

We saw 2 units which were both well "windowed" and bright. We thought the finishes were well done .Don't remember noticing any problem with interior doors. Personal style , in our case, is accommodated by pricey upgrades. We changed features in kitchen and bathroom to suit. The display units were beautifully staged and showed well as they were.

We talked with others who had bought , some to live there and some who had bought as rental units, and they commented very favourably.. One of the staff told someone that one could neither sell nor rent until a year is up but I think she was mistaken. I don't remember anything like that in the documentation.

And finally, hallways very very attractive with nice carpeting, artwork at the end of hallways (reminded me of Parisian Poster Art), small Deco logos on suite doors.

I think you and others who might be worrying will be pleasantly surprised . I for one am looking forward to moving in, hopefully around the end of February.

Momma T

[333fun555]

Hi Fun,
I think you and others who might be worrying will be pleasantly surprised . I for one am looking forward to moving in, hopefully around the end of February.
Momma T

Thanks Momma for taking time to tell me about your first impression. I am not worrying at all, just trying to explain to those who are worrying that that's what you get when you buy condo before they even start building it. As I said before, I trust Charlesfort, that's why I bought place in their building. I am prepared for surprises, and I believe if there are some changes it will not be anything cheap and ugly. I had such a good laugh last night (about those books). I hope the joke wasn't on me ;)
Thanks again. :worship:

[Momma T]

Poor wording on my part ,Fun. I just meant that worriers in general will be pleasantly surprised. Forgot to mention that we are still looking forward to some local artisan touches --- perhaps they will show up outside in the garden or on the garden wall or somewhere else there. Lobby large artworks were handpainted.

Momma T

[harls]

A beautiful sunny day today in Ottawa, not a breath of wind outside.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3395/3251321612_28ac4bbd59_b.jpg

are those BUDS on that tree? :banana:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3497/3251316866_37583b085e_b.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/3250452265_72e70512e3_b.jpg

I have a question for you guys.. is there anyone that subscribes to the RSS feed for my Hudson Park set on flickr? I'm just wondering because as soon as I post a picture, it gets multiple views. I'm thinking the people that are living there are the most likely candidates. ;)

[chemist]

We talked with others who had bought , some to live there and some who had bought as rental units, and they commented very favourably.. One of the staff told someone that one could neither sell nor rent until a year is up but I think she was mistaken. I don't remember anything like that in the documentation.
Momma T

The sale contract says that the purchaser cannot sell the unit until 1 year of the closing date (don't confuse it with the interim occupancy date!) or until the last unit in the project is sold by the developer, whichever is less. So, since the closing date for most people will be around April 2009, it means that most likely the unit owners will not be able to put their units for sale until April 2010.

[Momma T]

The sale contract says that the purchaser cannot sell the unit until 1 year of the closing date (don't confuse it with the interim occupancy date!) or until the last unit in the project is sold by the developer, whichever is less. So, since the closing date for most people will be around April 2009, it means that most likely the unit owners will not be able to put their units for sale until April 2010.

Thanks, Chemist, that's useful info for quite a few people. Do you have any info about the "not renting for a year" part? The staff person included that as well. Guess your document reading skills are much better than mine!

Momma T

[333fun555]

I have a question for you guys.. is there anyone that subscribes to the RSS feed for my Hudson Park set on flickr? I'm just wondering because as soon as I post a picture, it gets multiple views. I'm thinking the people that are living there are the most likely candidates. ;)

I checked that often, that's why I know everything about you ;)

[333fun555]

A beautiful sunny day today in Ottawa, not a breath of wind outside, are those BUDS on that tree? :banana:
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3497/3251316866_37583b085e_b.jpg


Wow, spring in O-Town :banana:

Couldn't figure out how tall PH2 is right now, 12th or 13th floor ??? :???:

[chemist]

Thanks, Chemist, that's useful info for quite a few people. Do you have any info about the "not renting for a year" part? The staff person included that as well. Guess your document reading skills are much better than mine!

Momma T
There is no time restriction on renting in the contract. So, it was incorrect information that it is not allowed to rent a unit for a year. However... if the unit will not be used as a primary residence for the owner, extra government taxes are due... that will be a major pile of extra cash - be ready to pay!

[333fun555]

:( It is so cold in Ottawa. This may slow down the progress on HP2, and moving in HP1 is probable not fun. Wish you guys better weather soon!!!!!!;)

[333fun555]

The sale contract says that the purchaser cannot sell the unit until 1 year of the closing date (don't confuse it with the interim occupancy date!) or until the last unit in the project is sold by the developer, whichever is less. So, since the closing date for most people will be around April 2009, it means that most likely the unit owners will not be able to put their units for sale until April 2010.

Never planed to sell my place so soon, so I wasn't paying attention to this part in the agreement. I think, everyone should read "SCHEDULE ONE", I mean really read it, so there won't be any misunderstanding later. :rolleyes:
As for the renting "Owners shall ensure that their tenants comply with provisions governing the use and occupation and leasing of dwelling units set forth in the Declaration and in the Rules". So if you are renting, just read carefully Declaration and Rules and you will be fine. ;)

[nicegirl]

Spoke to someone at Deslaurier Kitchens on Thursday and they mentioned that they had received some orders this week and were expecting another shipment on Monday. They are using a company near Montreal and some of the staff from Renfrew have gone there to work...so this is good news for Phase I:yes: .

[333fun555]

Spoke to someone at Deslaurier Kitchens on Thursday and they mentioned that they had received some orders this week and were expecting another shipment on Monday. They are using a company near Montreal and some of the staff from Renfrew have gone there to work...so this is good news for Phase I:yes: .

It is indeed. :yes: Anybody went to see the Show Suite today??????????;)