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RocTX
11-01-2007, 07:55 PM
This isn't just my fantasy. I found a couple of articles on the web discussing a proposal to reopen the portion of the Erie Canal that used to run through downton Rochester until the 1920's. This is also the route that the old subway used to take until it was closed down in the mid 1950's.

Granted, all of this is dated last year, so it may already be out of date. Does anyone think this will ever actually happen? Is it even feasible?

Here's a link to their site (http://www.rochestercanal.com/).

GROUP FORMED TO PROMOTE DOWNTOWN CANAL

Rochester, NY, June 26, 2006 – A new organization has been formed to raise awareness and promote action on a major revitalization plan, centered on the re-watering of the historic downtown route of the Erie Canal. Advocates for the Development of Rochester’s Canal, or ADROC, has been launched with the goal of seeing the opening of a new Rochester Erie Canal by 2012. According to the group, downtown canal development has changed the fortunes of
many cities facing similar challenges to those faced by Rochester—with virtually a 100% success rate—and Rochester has the unique advantage of a world-famous, historically-significant canal already in its back yard.

ADROC was inspired by the Grasso-Zimmer Canal Revitalization Plan, developed last year by canal expert Thomas Grasso and Architectural Intern Rory Zimmer, with major research and concept validation done by an R.I.T. group. The plan proposes to take advantage of the still-existing canal bed that runs along Broad Street, roughly from the Rundel Library to the site of the new Paetec Park. The original canal flowed through the city until 1920, and was converted to the downtown subway system which ran until 1956. Much of the original structure, including the iconic Broad Street Aqueduct that carried the canal over the Genesee River, remains in place in some form. ADROC feels that recreating the original downtown canal—connected to the world via the river and Barge Canal system—will link nearly all of the current and proposed downtown attractions and make Rochester a true international destination.

According to ADROC spokesman and local business owner Michael Hess, “A new Rochester Erie Canal is truly the magic bullet’ that Rochester has been searching for.” Hess says that similar projects have been extraordinarily successful in cities of all sizes and climates, including Indianapolis, Providence, San Antonio, Oklahoma City and others. “Oklahoma City is a prime example,” says Hess. “It built the Bricktown Canal as an attraction, to try to improve its struggling downtown, and the result has been roughly $800 million per year in increased city revenue.
Imagine what we could do with the brand-name strength of the Erie Canal.” ADROC envisions a thriving destination with water-taxis connecting key attractions, ice skating in the winter, and retail and residential development all along the proposed 1.5-mile downtown canal. The group says that it is getting significant inquiries from local business leaders and others, and expects to announce the substantial involvement of at least one major local corporation within the next few weeks.

Tom Grasso, who is also the President of the Canal Society of New York State, is ADROC’s Executive Director. Rory Zimmer and Tim Zimmer are Co-Directors of Urban Design, and Hess is Director of Marketing and Public Relations. The group has launched a website at www.rochestercanal.com, which features the detailed proposal plan, downtown Canal map, video, links to recent Canal press and more. Hess says the site will evolve dramatically as the group and its resources grow and the initiative gains momentum.
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RocTX
11-01-2007, 08:02 PM
Here are some of the details. I can't seem get a direct link to the map.

GRASSO/ZIMMER ROCHESTER DOWNTOWN REVITALISATION PLAN

Re-watering the Old Erie Canal

1. Remove Broad Street from Rundel Library and South Avenue West to Brown Street a distance of approximately 1 mile exposing the original old Erie Canal alignment

2. Through the right-of-way restore the only intact, urban, 1842 old Erie Canal Aqueduct and the old Erie Canal to Jay Street. Connect the old restored canal to the existing Erie Canal and NYS Canal System through a round lock for boats not to exceed 100 feet long, 19.5 feet beam, and 6 feet draft on the east side of the Genesee River

3. The canalized Genesee River, behind the Court St. Dam, is 3 feet higher than the historic level of the old Erie Canal across the aqueduct. Therefore the river provides more than enough water for the entire length of restored canal

4. Construct a small conventional lock in front of the War Memorial lowering the canal 7 feet west of the lock. This permits boats to pass beneath cross streets (like Plymouth Ave.) without resorting to lift bridges. (BOTH LOCKS OPERATED BY BOATERS AND TOUR BOAT COMPANIES NO LOCK TENDER NEEDED)

5. Construct a terminal basin also used as a turn around between Brown and Jay Streets. The old Erie Canal becomes “an inner harbor”.

6. Overflow spill ways to drain water back to the Genesee River and control the water level in the canal, preventing stagnation and spilling excess water coming in from lockings, built beneath Rundel Library and one near Brown Street

7. CONCLUSION: Results in a "BRAND NAME" waterway uniting new ball parks, High Falls, historic canal side buildings/warehouses along Broad and Main Streets, Convention Center, War Memorial, restaurants with the existing Erie Canal, Cornhill Landing and proposed Brooks Avenue Landing/U of R. Unrivalled potential for economic revitalization and tourism. Has potential to blow San Antonio out of the water certainly Providence, Rhode Island and the Bricktown Canal in Oklahoma City. IS THE WEST SIDE BOOKEND COMPLIMENTING THE EAST SIDE RENNAISANCE SQUARE.

Waterway utilized by water taxis, tour boats, hire boats, pleasure boats, canoes, kayaks, row boats, and paddle boats (water torches at night)—ice skating in Winter. Landside use: strolling, biking, roller balding, dinning, shopping, lodging at hotels and B&B’s, picnicking, green space, concerts and festivals, people gathering places

8. Projected total cost probably well below 100 million dollars

Peanut
11-02-2007, 12:48 AM
Yea there has been talk to do the same with Syracuse for years. IMO it would be kinda cool but its just not Possible. Erie Canal ran Directly through Syracuse in the 1800's but it got replaced by Erie BLVD.

Here is a couple before and After Pics Courtesy of Rootweb.com Wikipedia.org

BEFORE

http://www.rootsweb.com/~nyononda/PHOTOS/canal2.jpg

AFTER


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e2/Clinton_Square.JPG/800px-Clinton_Square.JPG


Even if a project that restored the original Erie Canal happened i just dont thing the Surrounding buildings could handle it. I too would like to see it though.

F11Roch
11-02-2007, 03:12 AM
While I liked that people were thinking out of the box I was never a big fan of this proposal. We already have the Genesee River downtown that isn't completely being used to it's potential. Plus I'm a big proponent of bringing light rail to the city. That would require the use of the broad street bridge and old subway tunnel to cross the river.

The canal idea seems to be one of those quick fixes for downtown. I think the cost would end up outweighing the benefits. I like the progress that downtown is making as is. There is steady improvement through residential growth and eventually that, coupled with the reworking of midtown and PAETEC, will bring retail and other improvements downtown.

Mr. Rochester
11-02-2007, 11:29 AM
While I liked that people were thinking out of the box I was never a big fan of this proposal. We already have the Genesee River downtown that isn't completely being used to it's potential. Plus I'm a big proponent of bringing light rail to the city. That would require the use of the broad street bridge and old subway tunnel to cross the river.

The canal idea seems to be one of those quick fixes for downtown. I think the cost would end up outweighing the benefits. I like the progress that downtown is making as is. There is steady improvement through residential growth and eventually that, coupled with the reworking of midtown and PAETEC, will bring retail and other improvements downtown.

Agreed... the Genesee is already right in the center of the city. The city is surrounding it with beautiful housing and trails.

The canal like you said easy way to fix downtown. NOT. The talk about the canal coming back has been around for about two years now... Personally this reminds me of the Fast Ferry. Sounds great but in the end... WTF. The canal coming downtown would cost an incredible amount and for what...? I know I wouldn't use it. And no way do I want my taxes going to that.

Although I would like Jay street to sink into the obis.

Personally I would love to see a transit system put in... subway, or a trolley system.

Some Rochesterarians have been pushing for a trolley syrstem. They have been around for about 5 years. http://rochestertrolley.com/plans.htm

RocTX
11-02-2007, 02:35 PM
It does seem a little "pie in the sky". However, I currently live not all that far from San Antonio, and if something like this were to bring even a fraction of the downtown development of the San Antonio Riverwalk...suffice it to say, I get a boner just thinking about it! On the other hand, this would definitely have the risk of ending up as just another in a long line of "quick fix" failures.

Light Rail along the old subway route would be a great idea too. It's too bad most of the old subway route going east lies under I-490.

You know, regarding the Fast Ferry, I always thought it was a great concept. It just seems that the actual plan and execution was the source of the failure. It's too bad they didn't do it right because it will be difficult to convince enough people to ever do anything like that again.

dbrenna5
11-02-2007, 03:54 PM
Of course it would be cool, but I cannot imagine this being good use of public money. There are hundreds of other small projects that would be much more beneficial for the city than the canal. And as far as being a tourist attraction goes- the fact that you've got so much proof that it works in San Antonio and OKC is a great reason why it wouldn't work here... it's already been done!

Not to mention we are not lacking natural attractions downtown. Yes we have a majestic river running right through downtown. But more importantly that river suddenly drops what, 50 feet through a gorge? A waterfall is much more interesting and unique in a downtown than a canal. I would rather see revitalization efforts focused at High Falls.

As for light rail, I'm not so sure. What would be the benefit of light rail in Rochester. We do not have traffic congestion to lure anyone into a train. Our transportation infrastructure is probably overbuilt in this city-- too bad its all roads. However rail's main benefit is not easing congestion, rather encouraging new development in a "transit-oriented", dense form. Problem is, Rochester ain't growing. I don't see too many benefits to developing near a light rail station in Rochester.



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